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posted ago by I_lurk_u_long_time ago by I_lurk_u_long_time +418 / -0

They were pretty hostile responding, but I got to make some points that I think they took seriously:

Trump is helping the economy. Lower regulations, better trade deals, and lower taxes are lifting the poorest Americans up, growing the labor force, and making the economy no longer people's biggest worry.

Trump is the first president in decades not to start wars.

None of the Democrat front runners has the right answers. Bernie is naive about taxes and their costs. Warren is dishonest. Buttigeig is inexperienced. Biden is falling apart, and the people keeping him in the race are engaged in elder abuse.

I also defended some things they attacked with:

Congress is responsible for the children in cages, not Trump. They made the rules, they under funded the courts, they didn't build a wall, and they didn't respond when CBP officials asked for money or rule changes to allow the situation to improve.

Congress is responsible for the deficit, not Trump. They write and pass the budget. Of course, growing the economy will help.

Trump really does have an impact on the economy. Continuing the theme, Congress has given the executive the power to write regulations, negotiate trade, modify tariffs, and other things. Using these powers has serious economic impacts, and Trump is responsible.

I fully conceded some points:

Trump is an asshole to some people on Twitter.

Trump has done scummy New York businessman things in the past.

This still remains contentious:

I think Trump is ignoring the media because the media lies about him constantly. They think this sets a bad precedent, and is bad for transparency.

They think he lies constantly. I think it's mostly exaggeration, and differentiating is important.

Overall, went better than I expected, and I'm glad I spoke up.

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SAVEAMERICA 20 points ago +20 / -0

Never forget how beautiful it is to have that pede. My family thinks ive gone delusional ?

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Aranak 12 points ago +12 / -0

In my country the Cancernada most people only listen to fake news but luckily or not we had libcon liberal as a provincial party for 15yr. 15yr of hate versus our people 15 yr of raise taxes until its at 50% of our income. 15 yr of pure hated versus liberal. There is still faggot voting for them... But my family always was antiliberal as long as I remember but are progressiste tho because when you remove money of the people they wake the fuck up. So right now my parent are in the normies zone they dont understand what happen but they sure hate Turdeau and are happy we thrown the fuck out the libtard political from our province.

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neverreddit 8 points ago +8 / -0

I'm in the same boat. Four kids to two conservative (legal) European immigrants escaping communism. Religious upbringing steeped in a conservative ethnic enclave. Yet I'm the only one who's not an insane commie. I blame it on my parents divorce. They say divorce isn't bad and that it's actually better for the kids, but I totally disagree. It totally destabilized my family and scattered the kids to search for an opposite source of truth than the one they felt betrayed them. I too turned into a crazy liberal for a while until I started picking up the history books. That brought me home. Divorce is a scourge on the nation. Let's try to avoid that shit.