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A ban would have been better. After the new mods are in place, I expect to see a lot of berniebros posting 'as a former Trump supporter' BS and getting botted to the front page after the quarantine is lifted.
This is what to expect. Leftists don't ever wipe something out. They infiltrate and transform it from within into something usable for their purposes.
We are the type of people to say, ok you guys suck, I'm going over here instead, or creating my own thing. Leftists do not think like that at all. Their attitude is that if there's something they don't like, they will not live and let live. They have to take it over by any means necessary and change it.
The Boy Scouts is the perfect example. Last I heard, they pass out condoms now. For further evidence, see the churches which are run by LGBT and woman "pastors".
I would say make a sticky saying they are going to close the sub due to and call them out personally on like Saturday. Then just close it Friday. When it reopens everyone can ask why an admin would reopen a sub that even THEY said was unable to follow the rules.
The ruling no doubt emboldened reddit admins to banish T_D to the shadow realm. Fear not, pedes - censorship only steels our resolve to spread the GEOTUS gospel!
Long story short, YouTube isn't the government just like a bakery isn't the government and thus not subject to the 1st amendment. No matter how much they profess to being an open platform for free speech, YouTube is within their right as a private entity to refuse to let people "bake a Trump cake".
That's not a surprising ruling and that being the case, we need to build a video-hosting equivalent to thedonald.win if we ever hope to avoid censorship by our Silicon Valley commie overlords.
A simple "break them up" won't work. We tried that with AT&T and we went from one monopoly to hundreds of regional monopolies and us consumers were somehow worse off.
They have become a key utilities and should be regulated as such.
That's the key. When the product is a channel it should be leased out to industry. Nobody gets to buy all the roads and tell certain people they can't drive anymore. A toll is fine, a ban is not.
We may as well get started then on building another country unless you'd rather wait for Civil War II. I will stand with my fellow pedes come what may.
You are absolutely correct. And the leftist assholes have pretty much infected and taken over our glorious institutions, besides creating their own flawed from the get-go.
I await when the cold civil war finally erupts.
Yet, YouTube still enjoys the rights of a platform, which means they can't be sued for content that one of their users submits. Oh, how the legacy media would love to be in those shoes. If that were the case, Sandman would be unable to sue WaPo, NYT, CNN and the rest. How convenient for YouTube/Twitter/Facebook/Instagram.
I desperately hope the GOP wins back the House and rewrites that law to be more specific about what these platforms can censor and still enjoy the protections of that law.
...and so the next logical step is to remove their Section 230 protection, but to do so would lead to them bewailing conservatives for stripping away their free speech, sinister fuckers that they are.
The best solution isn't in pursuing them through the courts and capitols, but rather in replacing them with platforms that take the 1st amendment seriously. That can only happen however if we're willing to pay for these platforms since corporations dare not advertise anywhere that free speech prevails.
Personally, I have been using Brave browser for months which (optionally) pays users with "basic attention tokens" if you allow unobtrusive popup ads (mostly ads for altcoins & exchanges). I haven't been bothered by the ads and the tokens I earn can be contributed to content creators like Tim Pool, who can then trade them on the exchanges to get paid. Being that the ads are being pushed by the browser itself, the advertisers don't know or care what sites I'm browsing. I have found Brave to be fast, secure and very functional - so much so that I rarely use other browsers anymore. Sorry if this sounds like an ad, but I think it has real potential to empower users to reward content creators in exchange for enduring the minor nuisance of popup ads (which you can even control the frequency of).
Creating new sites has been tried. They end up making it difficult for the site to process transactions. Sort of a bank boycott on free speech. That also needs to be fixed.
I read a story a few months ago where one of the big banks terminated accounts of some of the outspoken conservative voices. Chase Bank I believe it was.
So then we decentralize banking too while we're at it and thanks to Satoshi, we're already halfway there.
Nobody promised us a rose garden and we are can-do conservatives. If we have to reinvent everything dating back to the wheel to free ourselves from control by commie pinko faggots, it's still well worth the effort!
Gab/Dissenter seem to be trending toward a means of decentralization that renders them ban-proof even at the domain level. We need to support developers who work to defy our commie tech overlords.
What we really need is an internet bill of rights, something that spells out in clear plain language that the right to free speech is extended to the internet and that we have a right to our own data and privacy.
That is how it works... laws are upheld by people; unjust laws are upheld by unjust people. As in VA where they immediately pass laws that are unconstitutional to take guns and then expected all the police to be so lacking in integrity that they would follow such a law blindly. What you speak of is how dictatorship works.
No one is going to care about your rights or stand up for them like you yourself. And therein is the solution you seek. Take away all their power for they cannot be trusted. This is what will happen now.
yes, that's true in the institutional sense, and I'm not comparing it to 2nd amendment rights, but the response.
I am speaking from a Constitutional POV. The Constitution and the Rights therein are the contract if governance for this Republic. Without it they lose the consent of the governed.
If you wanted you could fit into a dictatorship and abide by all the rules it sets. You could "lawfully" oppress, torture, and kill the 'dissidents'. But should you?
Should you obey tyrrany if it gets elected? At what point do you stand for what is right versus doing what you are told? Who is it do you think upholds these rules that say Trademark and IP and corporate property should be respected? It begins with the People, and ascends through the ranks of the law and government.
Do you/they truly expect that we all should uphold and abide by their Rights whilst they violate ours without redress or Justice from the appointed government? Give me Liberty or give me Death! Do you recall this sentiment?
I do not care that one or many fat ass judges think it is ok. They are all wrong. They are human and flawed. If they will not uphold Justice and condemn oppression then we will, and depose them while we're are at it. I was born free! I have lived free! And I will die free!
Look how many have forgotten our foundations. Our Government is in process of branding the citizenry as terrorists, because of the globalist confusion the Left has caused by allowing traitors and murderers in amongst us. They set a culled tone for the populous that we should fear our own speech lest it draw their ire! THEIR IRE!
It is their proper place to fear The People! This is a founding principle of or nation that the governing should fear The People not that the People should fear their government.
I am of a mind to pack up every Muslim, Big Tech employee, and Democrat politician and ship them all back to their master's in China!
That is CORRECT; if you who govern do not abide by the Constitution or uphold our Rights, Liberties, Freedoms, and all the spirit thereof then YES, you will have your asses handed to you.
If you would like to submit yourself peacefully to the abuse of an unfair, unjust system as run by lying, cheating despots that is your choice and right. But I for one will not be threatened, or bullied by private sector services, or impeded in redress by a government that is supposed to be protecting me, NOT them.
Consider the possibility that this is a two step process. First, have Youtube assert that it is a content provider to dismiss Prager U. Second, launch lawsuits that require Youtube to then assert it is a Public Forum instead for § 230 protections and fail for already having asserted the opposite in the prior case. Could be part of a bigger plan to open them up to broad litigation, even class action.
As YouTube goes, so goes every other video streaming site. If we win the battle of labeling YT a publisher and force them to further censor their content, we lose the war for free speech.
As I said in another comment, I think the best solution is to replace YT with a streaming host that proves itself worthy of our business - even if we have to pay for it. As the old maxim goes, "freedom isn't free"...
Reddit, Youtube, Twitter, Twitch, Instagram and Facebook are digital public forums. They're too big and have to much control over modern speech, first amendment rights should apply. Just because technology changes doesn't mean our rights change.
Tim says it how it is. He articulates beautifully in most of his videos that “who cares whether support trump or not” rather this is what is happening.
Open your eyes people. I read libtard trash too. You have to. It’s too easy to disprove it on a factual level
I sent him some emails when it was all going down. Not sure if that’s what did it though, since he seems to be pretty well-versed in how our community functions.
My guess is he’s a regular lurker. It’s the only place to find out what we’re discussing for the most part.
Same, sent him an email and also kept commenting about it on his livestream (he didn't seem to see it but at least it caught the interest of a few other users).
He probably learned about it from all the emails he got.
The angriest I've ever seen him was when (I think it was Buzzfeed) some left wing media site reported that "man killed over chicken sandwich" story during the week Popeye's chicken sandwich was being hyped.
The actual story was some type of altercation occurring in the parking lot of a Popeye's but it was reported as if some [black] guy killed someone for their chicken sandwich.
Time absolutely went off about how it's gotta be the most genuinely racist thing he's read in years and not only did nobody on the left call out the falsehood of the story and the racist undertones but they repeated the story as if it was true
I think he's probably a Bernie fan and the reason he's pissed is because he knows they are going after Bernie next. Though he says he's not defending any politician that he's defending a free internet. IDK.
Ahh, didn't know that. I haven't watched his videos lately, mainly because I only watched them when they popped up on TD and apparently they were being shadowbanned over there or something.
It's becoming pretty clear. I don't think he is fence sitting, i think he is social engineering [a concept he is familiar with and has discussed given his hackerish background]. He presents ideas, backs away and fence sits, repeats the ideas... he is carefully introducing people to more conservative thought. Maybe. He also repeats some silly left wing stuff sometimes, so it's a hard call.
He stated that he's a Tulsi/Yang fan, but now with both of them out of the race because the DNC throw them both under the bus, he just get increasingly annoyed by all the shenanigans that the DNC is pulling, including but not limited to throwing Bernie under the bus (again) and modify the rules to let Mike Bloomberg to get in.
He was a Bernie fan in 2016 but accepts that he sold out and he's too weak physically/temperamentally to be president
He likes Yang but thinks he also lacks the temperament and would probably be better suited as a consultant/adviser to the president
He loves Tulsi but has also called out her questionable support of impeachment and silly things like reparations and he's also questioned her flip-flopping on being anti-war any time Trump does something anti-war
He thinks Trump is "boorish", mean, petty, etc, but he acknowledges that he's generally doing a pretty good job and the things that are bad about him are nowhere near as bad as the media makes them out to be. He says he's more likely to not vote at all than vote for either Bernie or Trump
I've always believed that Bernie's campaigns are simply a way for the DNC to raise money from idealistic people that are donating their next month's rent to the cause. He's never going to get the nomination, he's just in there raising money that will eventually be handed over to whomever is the democratic nominee. I'm baffled that others don't see this.
Seriously though, when it turns out he's doing better than the party thought he would then of course he attempts to sabotage himself by saying some bullshit about Cuba. He's there to gather party donations, and he gets his own share after the elections to buy yet another house.
He's a sheepdog there to herd the far-left sheep into voting for the Neo-Liberal. He did exactly that in 2016 and some of those same sheep are falling for it again.
He used to be a Bernie fan in 2016, he has woken up to Bernie now. Bernie selling out to Clinton, Bernie saying white people don't know what it is like to be poor and Bernie going full on SJW with open borders etc.
He liked Yang and Tulsi, he donated to both of them.
As for the Bernie subs being next, sure this is how it normally goes with the mainstream media but Reddit actions seem to be based on their Chinese Communist Party investments. China see Trump as a threat (they're right), Bernie is someone they can walk all over like Obama used to be. The CCP would prefer Bernie.
On Reddit there are a few Coronavirus subs, the only one that really matters is /r/wuhan_flu it respects free speech, so Reddit quarantined it. The subs that censor and ban everything with CCP mods are not quarantined.
Pretty cool. Haven't listened to very much of Tim, I'll have to check some more of his stuff out. He seems to be pretty damn on the ball, very well informed of what is going on.
He's pretty good for general news stuff. He has mild cases of TDS and Tulsi Derangement Syndrome but as long as he talks culture or current events he's offering pretty objective commentary. He is brilliant on meta-journalism, seeing as he is a progressive media reject.
He's just narrating the Dem dumpster fire lately.He's one of those guys that the more you listen to him it's obvious he should jump onboard but can't get over his TDS.
I don't think it's TDS, as he doesn't display any hate for the President and even praises him on things. I think he simply doesn't politically align with the right and is frustrated about what's happening to the left. Basically he's a political exile.
Honestly, I feel like I just moved out of a crappy neighborhood. I didn't want to leave because it was familiar, but as soon as I got to this new home I was much happier.
Yes but for how long can this continue? I am deeply worried about it, they failed to stop Trump in 2016 and will likely fail (but have more effect) in 2020. All the time conservatives are being smeared, lied about and made to be pariahs.
Short term we will keep winning but long term we won't.
He's definitely left, but he doesn't have any loyalty to the Democratic party. (Or any party really.) I think that's what makes him such a good content creator. Rather he agrees with someone or some party's policies or not, he'll call them out all the same.
No matter what Pool may believe politically, he at least has classical liberal principles and will stand for them. I can at least have a debate with someone like that in good faith.
That is the key issue. Conservatives and Trump supporters are being run out of everywhere and the Republicans allow it. In 10 years they won't be able to hang on to safe red states due to this censorship, but they do little about it.
They just don't seem to understand it is a crisis for the Republican party.
I really like Tim and I was happy to see him cover this story this morning. I'd really like Trump to do something about this but it doesn't seem like it's a priority.
I like to see Republicans really take this cause on, Trump can't do everything especially when he gets so little support.
If Republicans don't act, they will find themselves in a very serious disadvantage in years to come. There are some like Ted Cruz that get it but the rest are so unaware it's not funny, dumb fucks allowing the left to control speech.
Say what you will, but the "bald liberal" in question, who repeated emphasizes how he'll never vote for Trump, repeatedly stands up for Trump and his supporters, and calls out the censorship and misbehavior of the left. If he were representative of the left, instead of written off as a closeted conservative or "alt-right adjacent" by the deranged activists who've seized control of the Democratic party, we'd be a hell of a lot better off.
I’ve been on T_D since 2016 as it was one of the only places to get the DNC emails and any discussion around them at the time. I actually agree almost entirely with what Tim has to say and I listen to him quite regularly. Pool has been one of the best ways I have of feeling out friends for their political/social leanings. I live and work in SF. Gotta be careful here. Could quite literally lose my job.
"I just want to repeat over and over that I'm not a Trump supporter"
yeah yeah, but literally everything you're fighting for is directed against the forces opposing Trump.
Trump is president for the exact reasons you are constantly up in arms. Is it just fear of the left coming after you? They already are!
He IS a Trump supporter in that regard, only one who lacks the conviction to call it by name. I doubt Tim is blind to the fact that Trump is about more than the man himself and in that regard his objections to Trump (questionable as they may be) are simply bogus.
Reddit replacing the moderators, just like the Chinese replaced mayors and other ethnic officials of the Uyghurs with Chinese PRC members. Bet they'd love to send us to re-education camps too if they could.
Why call him "bald liberal" for any reason other than to be insulting, which I dont get since Tim is great?
I watch/listen to every single episode of podcast and if I had to choose between him of T_D.win I'd have to choose him since I'll get a far wider spectrum of coverage from him than I will from here. It wont be as fun but I wouldn't be left in the dark about a lot of things
It's good he's covering this because even though he's steadfastly refused to take the red pill these past few years, he's raining them down over all his left-leaning viewers.
People who aren't necessarily the rabid SJW communists will watch this video and think, "Holy shit, Reddit did this?"
Kind of funny but I wouldn't physically touch a guy who's in the middle of reporting on a bunch of antifa thugs who are liable to do much worse to him.
I understand what he's saying, and I'm glad he's picked this story up, but he's absolutely awful at explaining things.
He starts, and then just stops- says, "OK let me dumb this down" and then talks about a completely different thing.
Tim has been vocal about Twitter censorship, and YouTube censorship, but nothing will come of this. People on Reddit are retarded and don't give a fuck about admin censorship. As long as they get their Cat Photos, their stupid ask reddit posts, ELI5 posts and NSFW posts they honestly couldn't give a fuck.
We might be biased, but we never spread fake news. People can't seem to realise that you can be both biased and spread the truth. Reddit is a cesspit of shit and has been since 2014.
I understand why he had trouble explaining it, it's not so easy for people that don't take part in Reddit and don't know how the site works. He's trying to explain it to people that don't use Reddit and then had to backtrack many times when he realized the normies would be lost.
Super glad he covered it.
Reddit has been a gamed joke since Ron Paul's campaign and supporters used the site to get money bombs, before that it was ignored by campaigns. When they saw how much Ron Paul hauled in, Reddit was forever changed.
I think that in general, Tim has a problem with Trump's style of communication, not with his policies.
This is a common phenomena. When I talk with Trump haters I first ask them, what is your main complaint, style or policies? It simplifies the discussion.
At least he's not beating around the bush.
"They've effectively banned the sub". Good, say it like it is.
A ban would have been better. After the new mods are in place, I expect to see a lot of berniebros posting 'as a former Trump supporter' BS and getting botted to the front page after the quarantine is lifted.
This is what to expect. Leftists don't ever wipe something out. They infiltrate and transform it from within into something usable for their purposes.
We are the type of people to say, ok you guys suck, I'm going over here instead, or creating my own thing. Leftists do not think like that at all. Their attitude is that if there's something they don't like, they will not live and let live. They have to take it over by any means necessary and change it.
the leftist m.o.
This is so damn true! Good point.
they are the Borg
The Borg were at least effective achieving their goals. The left is more like a retarted Borg.
If you think the Left ain't been achieving their goals for 50 years straight, this site doesn't need to exist. 2016 was an aberration! Bigly!
Point taken, I was more talking about the post 2016 version of the left.
Don't underestimate them. No tactic is beneath them. They may seem dumb now, but they still will stop at nothing to try to steal the 2020 election.
The Boy Scouts is the perfect example. Last I heard, they pass out condoms now. For further evidence, see the churches which are run by LGBT and woman "pastors".
America is the best example
Turn it pro-Bootyjudge and fill it with softcore gay
What if we turned it into a Clinton sub. I can't think of any better/faster way to get pedes to gtfo Reddit and over here instead.
this, just go full on 100% Clinton love!
posting a Madame President post now
Were you able to post!?
i do not believe i am an approved poster anymore. waiting for approval of my hillary love post
but i did try
The mods need to close the sub.
The admins will reopen it, but we need to have their actions on record.
I think they tried already and the admins reopened it
From my understanding they were going to, but suspected they were going to reopen it. It would be good to have a mod confirm or deny it.
That should be plastered all over reddit if true.
I would say make a sticky saying they are going to close the sub due to and call them out personally on like Saturday. Then just close it Friday. When it reopens everyone can ask why an admin would reopen a sub that even THEY said was unable to follow the rules.
That's actually a flawless plan.
"Instead of accepting Admin approved moderators, we've decided to close the sub down"
If Reddit did literally anything but let it close, they'd be exposed blatantly.
Could everyone who posted there delete their posts? I mean every one of them?
Are you implying anything other than this won't happen?
Notice this happens on the heels of the 9th Circus dismissed Prager U's suit against YouTube: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/02/first-amendment-doesnt-apply-on-youtube-judges-reject-prageru-lawsuit/
The ruling no doubt emboldened reddit admins to banish T_D to the shadow realm. Fear not, pedes - censorship only steels our resolve to spread the GEOTUS gospel!
Didn't hear about this — you're probably right.
Knock yourself out: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/prager-youtube-1st-amendment.pdf
Long story short, YouTube isn't the government just like a bakery isn't the government and thus not subject to the 1st amendment. No matter how much they profess to being an open platform for free speech, YouTube is within their right as a private entity to refuse to let people "bake a Trump cake".
That's not a surprising ruling and that being the case, we need to build a video-hosting equivalent to thedonald.win if we ever hope to avoid censorship by our Silicon Valley commie overlords.
A simple "break them up" won't work. We tried that with AT&T and we went from one monopoly to hundreds of regional monopolies and us consumers were somehow worse off.
They have become a key utilities and should be regulated as such.
That's the key. When the product is a channel it should be leased out to industry. Nobody gets to buy all the roads and tell certain people they can't drive anymore. A toll is fine, a ban is not.
I agree about the ladder. Poignant.
We may as well get started then on building another country unless you'd rather wait for Civil War II. I will stand with my fellow pedes come what may.
You are absolutely correct. And the leftist assholes have pretty much infected and taken over our glorious institutions, besides creating their own flawed from the get-go. I await when the cold civil war finally erupts.
Yet, YouTube still enjoys the rights of a platform, which means they can't be sued for content that one of their users submits. Oh, how the legacy media would love to be in those shoes. If that were the case, Sandman would be unable to sue WaPo, NYT, CNN and the rest. How convenient for YouTube/Twitter/Facebook/Instagram.
I desperately hope the GOP wins back the House and rewrites that law to be more specific about what these platforms can censor and still enjoy the protections of that law.
...and so the next logical step is to remove their Section 230 protection, but to do so would lead to them bewailing conservatives for stripping away their free speech, sinister fuckers that they are.
The best solution isn't in pursuing them through the courts and capitols, but rather in replacing them with platforms that take the 1st amendment seriously. That can only happen however if we're willing to pay for these platforms since corporations dare not advertise anywhere that free speech prevails.
Personally, I have been using Brave browser for months which (optionally) pays users with "basic attention tokens" if you allow unobtrusive popup ads (mostly ads for altcoins & exchanges). I haven't been bothered by the ads and the tokens I earn can be contributed to content creators like Tim Pool, who can then trade them on the exchanges to get paid. Being that the ads are being pushed by the browser itself, the advertisers don't know or care what sites I'm browsing. I have found Brave to be fast, secure and very functional - so much so that I rarely use other browsers anymore. Sorry if this sounds like an ad, but I think it has real potential to empower users to reward content creators in exchange for enduring the minor nuisance of popup ads (which you can even control the frequency of).
Creating new sites has been tried. They end up making it difficult for the site to process transactions. Sort of a bank boycott on free speech. That also needs to be fixed.
I read a story a few months ago where one of the big banks terminated accounts of some of the outspoken conservative voices. Chase Bank I believe it was.
So then we decentralize banking too while we're at it and thanks to Satoshi, we're already halfway there.
Nobody promised us a rose garden and we are can-do conservatives. If we have to reinvent everything dating back to the wheel to free ourselves from control by commie pinko faggots, it's still well worth the effort!
Well, I feel the only thing that could happen to decentralize the banks is a revolution. I'm not sure very many people are ready for that.....yet.
No, as a platform they must protect freedom of speech.
They are using publisher privileges.
Make your own video-hosting site they will just take away your domain. It's happened before.
Gab/Dissenter seem to be trending toward a means of decentralization that renders them ban-proof even at the domain level. We need to support developers who work to defy our commie tech overlords.
Class action lawsuit for 1st amend violate?
Every Liberal judge is an unqualified fool. If my rights don't apply then neither does your IP...
EDIT: I.P. (Intellectual Property)
What we really need is an internet bill of rights, something that spells out in clear plain language that the right to free speech is extended to the internet and that we have a right to our own data and privacy.
That is how it works... laws are upheld by people; unjust laws are upheld by unjust people. As in VA where they immediately pass laws that are unconstitutional to take guns and then expected all the police to be so lacking in integrity that they would follow such a law blindly. What you speak of is how dictatorship works.
No one is going to care about your rights or stand up for them like you yourself. And therein is the solution you seek. Take away all their power for they cannot be trusted. This is what will happen now.
yes, that's true in the institutional sense, and I'm not comparing it to 2nd amendment rights, but the response.
I am speaking from a Constitutional POV. The Constitution and the Rights therein are the contract if governance for this Republic. Without it they lose the consent of the governed.
If you wanted you could fit into a dictatorship and abide by all the rules it sets. You could "lawfully" oppress, torture, and kill the 'dissidents'. But should you?
Should you obey tyrrany if it gets elected? At what point do you stand for what is right versus doing what you are told? Who is it do you think upholds these rules that say Trademark and IP and corporate property should be respected? It begins with the People, and ascends through the ranks of the law and government.
Do you/they truly expect that we all should uphold and abide by their Rights whilst they violate ours without redress or Justice from the appointed government? Give me Liberty or give me Death! Do you recall this sentiment?
I do not care that one or many fat ass judges think it is ok. They are all wrong. They are human and flawed. If they will not uphold Justice and condemn oppression then we will, and depose them while we're are at it. I was born free! I have lived free! And I will die free!
Look how many have forgotten our foundations. Our Government is in process of branding the citizenry as terrorists, because of the globalist confusion the Left has caused by allowing traitors and murderers in amongst us. They set a culled tone for the populous that we should fear our own speech lest it draw their ire! THEIR IRE!
It is their proper place to fear The People! This is a founding principle of or nation that the governing should fear The People not that the People should fear their government.
I am of a mind to pack up every Muslim, Big Tech employee, and Democrat politician and ship them all back to their master's in China!
That is CORRECT; if you who govern do not abide by the Constitution or uphold our Rights, Liberties, Freedoms, and all the spirit thereof then YES, you will have your asses handed to you.
If you would like to submit yourself peacefully to the abuse of an unfair, unjust system as run by lying, cheating despots that is your choice and right. But I for one will not be threatened, or bullied by private sector services, or impeded in redress by a government that is supposed to be protecting me, NOT them.
Consider the possibility that this is a two step process. First, have Youtube assert that it is a content provider to dismiss Prager U. Second, launch lawsuits that require Youtube to then assert it is a Public Forum instead for § 230 protections and fail for already having asserted the opposite in the prior case. Could be part of a bigger plan to open them up to broad litigation, even class action.
As YouTube goes, so goes every other video streaming site. If we win the battle of labeling YT a publisher and force them to further censor their content, we lose the war for free speech.
As I said in another comment, I think the best solution is to replace YT with a streaming host that proves itself worthy of our business - even if we have to pay for it. As the old maxim goes, "freedom isn't free"...
Reddit, Youtube, Twitter, Twitch, Instagram and Facebook are digital public forums. They're too big and have to much control over modern speech, first amendment rights should apply. Just because technology changes doesn't mean our rights change.
Tim says it how it is. He articulates beautifully in most of his videos that “who cares whether support trump or not” rather this is what is happening.
Open your eyes people. I read libtard trash too. You have to. It’s too easy to disprove it on a factual level
I sent him some emails when it was all going down. Not sure if that’s what did it though, since he seems to be pretty well-versed in how our community functions.
My guess is he’s a regular lurker. It’s the only place to find out what we’re discussing for the most part.
Same, sent him an email and also kept commenting about it on his livestream (he didn't seem to see it but at least it caught the interest of a few other users).
He probably learned about it from all the emails he got.
He seems pissed. Good
He also hates elitism and condescension.
The angriest I've ever seen him was when (I think it was Buzzfeed) some left wing media site reported that "man killed over chicken sandwich" story during the week Popeye's chicken sandwich was being hyped.
The actual story was some type of altercation occurring in the parking lot of a Popeye's but it was reported as if some [black] guy killed someone for their chicken sandwich.
Time absolutely went off about how it's gotta be the most genuinely racist thing he's read in years and not only did nobody on the left call out the falsehood of the story and the racist undertones but they repeated the story as if it was true
I think he's probably a Bernie fan and the reason he's pissed is because he knows they are going after Bernie next. Though he says he's not defending any politician that he's defending a free internet. IDK.
He hates Bernie. Go look at his videos over the past 2 weeks. Knows he sold out in 2016 and is not getting fooled again.
Ahh, didn't know that. I haven't watched his videos lately, mainly because I only watched them when they popped up on TD and apparently they were being shadowbanned over there or something.
I'm convinced he's been thoroughly red-pilled. I think he keeps up the fence sitter schtick to keep youtube from shutting his channel down.
It's becoming pretty clear. I don't think he is fence sitting, i think he is social engineering [a concept he is familiar with and has discussed given his hackerish background]. He presents ideas, backs away and fence sits, repeats the ideas... he is carefully introducing people to more conservative thought. Maybe. He also repeats some silly left wing stuff sometimes, so it's a hard call.
He stated that he's a Tulsi/Yang fan, but now with both of them out of the race because the DNC throw them both under the bus, he just get increasingly annoyed by all the shenanigans that the DNC is pulling, including but not limited to throwing Bernie under the bus (again) and modify the rules to let Mike Bloomberg to get in.
He was a Bernie fan in 2016 but accepts that he sold out and he's too weak physically/temperamentally to be president
He likes Yang but thinks he also lacks the temperament and would probably be better suited as a consultant/adviser to the president
He loves Tulsi but has also called out her questionable support of impeachment and silly things like reparations and he's also questioned her flip-flopping on being anti-war any time Trump does something anti-war
He thinks Trump is "boorish", mean, petty, etc, but he acknowledges that he's generally doing a pretty good job and the things that are bad about him are nowhere near as bad as the media makes them out to be. He says he's more likely to not vote at all than vote for either Bernie or Trump
Yes he is a huge Bernie fan and guess which sub will be on the chopping block next
I've always believed that Bernie's campaigns are simply a way for the DNC to raise money from idealistic people that are donating their next month's rent to the cause. He's never going to get the nomination, he's just in there raising money that will eventually be handed over to whomever is the democratic nominee. I'm baffled that others don't see this.
NO REFUNDS
Seriously though, when it turns out he's doing better than the party thought he would then of course he attempts to sabotage himself by saying some bullshit about Cuba. He's there to gather party donations, and he gets his own share after the elections to buy yet another house.
He's a sheepdog there to herd the far-left sheep into voting for the Neo-Liberal. He did exactly that in 2016 and some of those same sheep are falling for it again.
He used to be a Bernie fan in 2016, he has woken up to Bernie now. Bernie selling out to Clinton, Bernie saying white people don't know what it is like to be poor and Bernie going full on SJW with open borders etc.
He liked Yang and Tulsi, he donated to both of them.
As for the Bernie subs being next, sure this is how it normally goes with the mainstream media but Reddit actions seem to be based on their Chinese Communist Party investments. China see Trump as a threat (they're right), Bernie is someone they can walk all over like Obama used to be. The CCP would prefer Bernie.
On Reddit there are a few Coronavirus subs, the only one that really matters is /r/wuhan_flu it respects free speech, so Reddit quarantined it. The subs that censor and ban everything with CCP mods are not quarantined.
He supported Bernie in 2016, but has said multiple times now that it was a mistake.
He is openly opposed to Bernie now.
Not any more. He thinks he’s dishonest now and panders too much to the woke left.
He was Yang Gang and also has a thing for Tulsi. He’s an Afterberner like a lot of us.
Tim always gets pissed at suppression of free speech.
I think he already has, he just knows that he can't be overt about it.
I think he does have certain principles that don't change. Censorship is one of those.
If you want to make him flip his beanie, blatantly censor. He has stated that these types of activity make a violent civil war likely.
He's a Trump supporter. Can provide clip if required. On mobile at the moment.
I'm curious
I would like to see that
Didn't know he was lurking around The D. Neat. He does a good job summarizing.
He has mentioned things and talked about The D before, he definitely would lurk from time to time.
Pretty cool. Haven't listened to very much of Tim, I'll have to check some more of his stuff out. He seems to be pretty damn on the ball, very well informed of what is going on.
He's pretty good for general news stuff. He has mild cases of TDS and Tulsi Derangement Syndrome but as long as he talks culture or current events he's offering pretty objective commentary. He is brilliant on meta-journalism, seeing as he is a progressive media reject.
He's my favorite liberal lol
He's just narrating the Dem dumpster fire lately.He's one of those guys that the more you listen to him it's obvious he should jump onboard but can't get over his TDS.
I don't think it's TDS, as he doesn't display any hate for the President and even praises him on things. I think he simply doesn't politically align with the right and is frustrated about what's happening to the left. Basically he's a political exile.
This whole ordeal is completely insane to me. How is any of this okay? I can't believe that they are just going to straight up get away with this.
Honestly, I feel like I just moved out of a crappy neighborhood. I didn't want to leave because it was familiar, but as soon as I got to this new home I was much happier.
Even with all this lefty political censorship from Silicon Valley... Trump is still going to win.
He wins because they abuse their power. There's no going back.
Yes but for how long can this continue? I am deeply worried about it, they failed to stop Trump in 2016 and will likely fail (but have more effect) in 2020. All the time conservatives are being smeared, lied about and made to be pariahs.
Short term we will keep winning but long term we won't.
Pool man is lurking
He's kneedeep!
He's definitely left, but he doesn't have any loyalty to the Democratic party. (Or any party really.) I think that's what makes him such a good content creator. Rather he agrees with someone or some party's policies or not, he'll call them out all the same.
I'm happy to see how quickly Tim has publicly taken our side. Let's see how many other liberals actually have any principles at all.
No matter what Pool may believe politically, he at least has classical liberal principles and will stand for them. I can at least have a debate with someone like that in good faith.
I like Liberal Bald Man. He did a good job covering this.
SO glad he brought up editing users comments
Republican politicians are doing absolutely nothing with this insane censorship.
That is the key issue. Conservatives and Trump supporters are being run out of everywhere and the Republicans allow it. In 10 years they won't be able to hang on to safe red states due to this censorship, but they do little about it.
They just don't seem to understand it is a crisis for the Republican party.
TAKE THE FUCKING RED PILL TIM
I really like Tim and I was happy to see him cover this story this morning. I'd really like Trump to do something about this but it doesn't seem like it's a priority.
I like to see Republicans really take this cause on, Trump can't do everything especially when he gets so little support.
If Republicans don't act, they will find themselves in a very serious disadvantage in years to come. There are some like Ted Cruz that get it but the rest are so unaware it's not funny, dumb fucks allowing the left to control speech.
Thank you beanie man.
fuckin reddit assholes.
Say what you will, but the "bald liberal" in question, who repeated emphasizes how he'll never vote for Trump, repeatedly stands up for Trump and his supporters, and calls out the censorship and misbehavior of the left. If he were representative of the left, instead of written off as a closeted conservative or "alt-right adjacent" by the deranged activists who've seized control of the Democratic party, we'd be a hell of a lot better off.
I’ve been on T_D since 2016 as it was one of the only places to get the DNC emails and any discussion around them at the time. I actually agree almost entirely with what Tim has to say and I listen to him quite regularly. Pool has been one of the best ways I have of feeling out friends for their political/social leanings. I live and work in SF. Gotta be careful here. Could quite literally lose my job.
"I just want to repeat over and over that I'm not a Trump supporter"
yeah yeah, but literally everything you're fighting for is directed against the forces opposing Trump.
Trump is president for the exact reasons you are constantly up in arms. Is it just fear of the left coming after you? They already are!
He IS a Trump supporter in that regard, only one who lacks the conviction to call it by name. I doubt Tim is blind to the fact that Trump is about more than the man himself and in that regard his objections to Trump (questionable as they may be) are simply bogus.
I like Tim Pool
I like Tim Pool. He is an honest man, regardless of his political preferences.
Agreed. It seems like he doesn't have any loyalty to any party, and will call everyone out for doing stupid or blatantly pro-censorship stuff.
I can still get my discussion on beanie man here sips covfefe fantastic.
Glad our story is being put out there. Go put thedonald.win in the comments!
Reddit replacing the moderators, just like the Chinese replaced mayors and other ethnic officials of the Uyghurs with Chinese PRC members. Bet they'd love to send us to re-education camps too if they could.
Why call him "bald liberal" for any reason other than to be insulting, which I dont get since Tim is great?
I watch/listen to every single episode of podcast and if I had to choose between him of T_D.win I'd have to choose him since I'll get a far wider spectrum of coverage from him than I will from here. It wont be as fun but I wouldn't be left in the dark about a lot of things
Tim is not a wimp and can handle some banter.
Lol, gold comment from someone with your user name. It’s funny, that is why...sometimes insulting things are funny.
Love u Timmy, u will eat the red pill and love it
He’s drowning in red pills, and it’s glorious.
I cannot wait for when he starts reporting on the Leftist tears after Trump McGoverns whoever the Dems nominate.
I believe the appropriate term now is "Follicly challenged"
"Okay okay check this out" - Beanie man
A lil slow on the coverage, but fully expected to see this thrown up. Not disappointed. Thanks Tim!
bald liberal has eaten more red pills than anyone i know
the truth here is our community is too big and valuable for them to just shut it off but truth pains then so they pull this retarded move
It's good he's covering this because even though he's steadfastly refused to take the red pill these past few years, he's raining them down over all his left-leaning viewers.
People who aren't necessarily the rabid SJW communists will watch this video and think, "Holy shit, Reddit did this?"
Tim is always spot on when it comes to suppression of speech. If the Dems ever get a house and senate majority expect more suppression of speech.
Lol. Doesn't Tim actually have a full head of hair?
Edit: Nope!
Kind of funny but I wouldn't physically touch a guy who's in the middle of reporting on a bunch of antifa thugs who are liable to do much worse to him.
hehe
Noooo I wish I didn't click that
Also the guy who did that is a douchebag
LOL, he says he's non violent, but touch his beanie...
ouch -- I wish I never clicked that!
Hey be nice to our boy Tim. He's center left and is not the enemy, I listen to him everyday and I believe he's fair and informative.
I like this bald liberal.
I understand what he's saying, and I'm glad he's picked this story up, but he's absolutely awful at explaining things.
He starts, and then just stops- says, "OK let me dumb this down" and then talks about a completely different thing.
Tim has been vocal about Twitter censorship, and YouTube censorship, but nothing will come of this. People on Reddit are retarded and don't give a fuck about admin censorship. As long as they get their Cat Photos, their stupid ask reddit posts, ELI5 posts and NSFW posts they honestly couldn't give a fuck.
We might be biased, but we never spread fake news. People can't seem to realise that you can be both biased and spread the truth. Reddit is a cesspit of shit and has been since 2014.
This is my new home.
I understand why he had trouble explaining it, it's not so easy for people that don't take part in Reddit and don't know how the site works. He's trying to explain it to people that don't use Reddit and then had to backtrack many times when he realized the normies would be lost.
Super glad he covered it.
Reddit has been a gamed joke since Ron Paul's campaign and supporters used the site to get money bombs, before that it was ignored by campaigns. When they saw how much Ron Paul hauled in, Reddit was forever changed.
Tim Pool is probably my favorite liberal content creator. He's left, but somehow also manages to not be a complete shill.
tim is a good guy. too bad he isn't red pilled yet, it's like he is waiting for a red suppository
I think that in general, Tim has a problem with Trump's style of communication, not with his policies.
This is a common phenomena. When I talk with Trump haters I first ask them, what is your main complaint, style or policies? It simplifies the discussion.
It’s unbelievable that Reddit won’t host a sub supporting THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
Unbelievable? You must be new to all of this if any of this is even remotely surprising lol.
Reddit offices are located in the prime SJW bubble in the US. It's a completely distorted reality over there.