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posted ago by ekim0726 ago by ekim0726 +26 / -0

The MSM always just dismisses Trump’s internet supporter’s energy as “racism” and “rage”, which is obvious bs. I always see tons of Trump memes and comments everywhere, and online his supporters are always the most passionate. Unfortunately, there aren't that many MAGA/KAG guys around in my area that I can talk to and discuss ideas with, and I also don’t have the time to spend all day browsing the forums online, so I’ve always been curious about what got other guys out there excited about Donald. I have a bunch of questions, feel free to answer whatever you want.

What do you think the best way to reason with a liberal friend/relative is? How do you know which media sources are real, and which are fake news? What do you guys think about Republicans like Mitch Mcconnel, Lindsey Graham, etc, those guys have been in congress a very long time, were they part of the deep state/swamp or were they always good guys? What exactly is the deep state? What gets you excited to talk about him online? How do you respond to liberals who don’t trust him? Before Donald made America great again, was America just ok, or was it bad for you? How much time do you think you spend online that is related to him? How much has YOUR life actually gotten better since he became POTUS? A little? A lot?

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Fox_Archipelago2020 3 points ago +3 / -0
  1. With regard to Mitch and Lindsay, you have to understand there are no good guys and bad guys. People are complex and have a combination of motives. In politics things get even muddier. Imagine you work at a business filled with crooks and liars, but you love the company. You need to get rid of these bad apples, but there is nobody in the company that can fire them. Now add in the complexity of power and connections, cliques and groups, and you have this hellscape balancing act. Now imagine you don't work there, and instead are brought off the street to quickly analyze each employee for 1 hour and then decide if they should continue to work there. Most of the employees give you complex answers to your questions and make themselves seem vital and virtuous. Trump comes in for his hour and says someone shit on the bathroom floor, you wonder why nobody else was talking about what seems like a pressing matter, and while you are pondering he steps out cleans the shit. Common sense and action taken. So getting back to your point, you can be in the swamp or passively enabling the swamp for years, but if you aren't blantently corrupt and start picking up a mop to get that shit cleaned up, I would put them in the category of "okay let's see how you help clean things up".
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ekim0726 [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

Thank you for the analogy.

Your point about the lack of clear moral boundaries is a good one. When I discuss politics with hardcore Democrats or hardcore Republicans, and I ask them to define corruption, their answer is usually just whoever is in the party they don't like, which is obviously a silly and simplistic way to view things. One thing I have noticed, is that just about everyone agrees that the absurd amount of money that both Democrats and Republicans can make from corporate contributions and the lobbying industry is a serious problem, and is a primary contributor of the intense corruption in Washington DC. The Supreme Court Ruling on Citizens United Vs. FEC was a pretty big enabler for for these kinds of political gifts.

POTUS has been a strong ally of business, and as a result has received massive support from various interest groups, according to the Federal Election Commission and the Center for Responsible Politics. Some of these contributions would not be possible without the Citizens United Ruling, so for some Trump supporters I think that it raises some questions about whether corporate donations and SuperPAC funding should be more strictly regulated or if its better to just allow Trump to use his business savvy to raise as much cash as he can from various industries without having his hands being tied.