one (at least) of whom is not capable of nudging someone off the fence into our camp and voting with us. I don't know too many people on the fence who would want to identify with someone who dehumanizes suffering people like that.
I don't think it's sanctimonious to point out that calling a tragically confused person 'trash' is going to make your average Bernie bro more likely to sit this out.
Speaking as a former Democrat with Bernie bro friends.
You could maybe come up with a more compelling defense of your point of view than just trying to tell me what to do.
I got 14 Upvotes, so it's maybe not a crazy idea, and if you have a better one (your tautology about individuals doesn't qualify), I'm all ears.
Fuck the fence sitters. There, I said it. If you’re still on the fence in face of the common sense that President Trump brings vs the batshit insanity the democrats are presenting, then you’re an idiot.
If you’re still on the fence in face of the common sense that President Trump brings vs the batshit insanity
I think you underestimate the difficulty of waking up from the conditioning.
Do fish know that they are wet?
A lot of this stuff is obvious to you and me because we've been redpilled for years. Judging other people based on one's own frame of mind is called solipsism and growing out of that happens in a developmental stage typical of young adults.
Some people never take that step. When those folks who have not taken that step spend time together, it results in the groupthink echo chamber and the dehumanization of outsiders we see here.
So... how many people brainwashed by fake news
have you sold on looking at Trump who weren't interested before you talked to them ?
That's the whole point of this discussion about convincing people and reasoning them into saving the country. Are we just going to shoot or call 'trash' everyone who doesn't understand?
Seriously- did you grow up always knowing about the Constitution? If so, you can't understand someone who grew up liberal, but that doesn't mean they're hopeless, only that you don't understand how to teach them. Do you like the fact that the USA is so polarized?
There's a guy here in this thread saying 'fuck this rally guy' because I'm trying to do something positive and all some people can say is 'hur due glad the stupid fag is dead, wouldn't waste my breath on him'.
But what about the #walkaway movement?
IT WAS STARTED BY A FAG !
What could this person, who is now dead, have accomplished if someone could have understood him and helped him to understand? It's that person who could win over a transexual here on this thread saying 'the trash took itself out'? No. But that doesn't change the fact that this now dead person desperately needed someone in their life like that.
I'm saying this approach is not consistent with Trump's opinion. "Some people like steak, some like spaghetti".
If people are not pushing their lifestyle on others, then they're not trash just because they're gay/confused/brainwashed into self mutilation. This person was a victim of the culture that destroyed his life, his victimization doesn't make him 'trash'.
I don't know if he was pushing his lifestyle on others, if he was, that's messed up, but if he went off the rails because he was misled himself, then he deserves compassion.
Trump is a compassionate person.
It's possible to speak the truth about the dysfunction in this man's life without seeing him as 'trash'.
The whole point I'm making isn't about 'feelings', is about the effect those feelings have, turning people away from Trump because it feeds into the fake news narrative that Trump is a heartless bastard. He's not, and because he's not, he'd never say something like that.
Lemme ask you, "vote_for_MAGA_2020"
: how many people have you reasoned into looking objectively at Trump?
Has anyone decided to "vote_for_MAGA_2020/"
based on your reasoning here, that transexuals are 'trash'?
I actually talk to people to try to get them to look at Trump, and based on my experience, it's not a winning argument: "vote for Trump, we cheer when depressed confused people kill themselves".
All I'm saying is that people who are different from you and me are still potential Trump voters and it's unwise to alienate them unnecessarily. Is that such a contemptible point of view ?
From the comments :
"It was Trump's response to the Orlando Night Club shooting versus Hillary's response that sealed the deal for me. Donald Trump was the one who was more likely to protect me form islamic extremists and Hillary was the one more likely to act as their apologist. "
Are there dysfunctional LGBT people ? Sure. Dysfunctional people are everywhere. Are they all irredeemable ? Apparently not.
One of the wedges the fake news uses to drive people away from looking at Trump is the lie that he hates/dehumanizes gays.
This thread features Trump supporters displaying and defending the same caricature of intolerance the fake news accuses Trump of having.
Trump said, in re: gays, "some people like spaghetti, some people like steak". That's as deep as he goes with it.
What the 'all or nothing' thinking on this thread doesn't appreciate (but Trump does) is that there is a huge number of people who are not strictly heterosexual who have no interest in pushing their lifestyle on anyone else. The militant gays are way more visible... because they're militant. The silent majority of gays want to be left alone and are decent people and you're acting like all gays want to push Trans story time on toddlers and that's not the case.
If people choose to vote for Trump based on how offended they may or may not get at their supporters, THEN I DONT WANT THEIR VOTE. I don’t give a shit about their feelings. they need to vote for Trump because he’s not a communist lunatic like most of the Democrats are, and he’s making this country great again.
And all I'm saying is someone making a joke calling trash people trash on thedonald.win does not magically alienate all those people.
you don't want their votes?
Sure, it's great that they're walking away from the Democrats but that does not mean the Republicans need to become the party of pandering to every minority or gay.
someone... calling ... [suicidally depressed, wretchedly unhappy and abused] people trash on thedonald.win does not magically alienate all those people.
Hmm. Yeah, actually... it does.
When they become aware of it.
Speaking from personal experience with my liberal friends.
It's not magic, it's elementary emotional intelligence. No one will give their loyalty to people they don't feel they can trust, or whom they can't respect.
One of the wedges the fake news uses to drive people away from looking at Trump is the lie that he hates/dehumanizes gays.
This thread features Trump supporters displaying and defending the same caricature of intolerance the fake news accuses Trump of having.
Trump said, in re: gays, "some people like spaghetti, some people like steak". That's as deep as he goes with it.
What the 'all or nothing' thinking on this thread doesn't appreciate is that there is a huge number of people who are not strictly heterosexual who have no interest in pushing their lifestyle on anyone else. The militant gays are way more visible... because they're militant. The silent majority of gays want to be left alone and are decent people and you're acting like all gays want to push Trans story time on toddlers and that's not the case.
Your rationale for saying I am over reacting is that you claim it was simply a joke. That doesn't pass the smell test.
a Trump supporter for making a joke you find distasteful.
Nah. I have a pretty good sense of humor. That wasn't just a joke, even if it was a 'clever' turn of phrase. And some other people repeating it here aren't just making a joke, either. They really believe gender confused people who commit suicide after having been victimized and brainwashed by a dysfunctional culture are 'trash'.
Have you ever seen a loved one go through any kind of emotional struggle in their lives ? Did you think "I'm done with that person, they are trash" because they were having a hard time ? Or do you live in some bubble of perfect people whose lives are all totally blissful and nothing bad ever happens to them?
Calling people 'trash' who commit suicide due to mental problems and gaslighting from the culture... it doesn't take 'delicate sensibilities' to know that's wrong, and it doesn't take a genius to understand that it was a clear statement of a person's values, even if the turn of phrase also shows a level of wit. Maybe like a 50% level of wit.
one (at least) of whom is not capable of nudging someone off the fence into our camp and voting with us. I don't know too many people on the fence who would want to identify with someone who dehumanizes suffering people like that.
I don't think it's sanctimonious to point out that calling a tragically confused person 'trash' is going to make your average Bernie bro more likely to sit this out.
Speaking as a former Democrat with Bernie bro friends.
You could maybe come up with a more compelling defense of your point of view than just trying to tell me what to do.
I got 14 Upvotes, so it's maybe not a crazy idea, and if you have a better one (your tautology about individuals doesn't qualify), I'm all ears.
Fuck the fence sitters. There, I said it. If you’re still on the fence in face of the common sense that President Trump brings vs the batshit insanity the democrats are presenting, then you’re an idiot.
I think you underestimate the difficulty of waking up from the conditioning.
Do fish know that they are wet?
A lot of this stuff is obvious to you and me because we've been redpilled for years. Judging other people based on one's own frame of mind is called solipsism and growing out of that happens in a developmental stage typical of young adults.
Some people never take that step. When those folks who have not taken that step spend time together, it results in the groupthink echo chamber and the dehumanization of outsiders we see here.
I have no patience for willful ignorance and stupidity.
So... how many people brainwashed by fake news have you sold on looking at Trump who weren't interested before you talked to them ?
That's the whole point of this discussion about convincing people and reasoning them into saving the country. Are we just going to shoot or call 'trash' everyone who doesn't understand?
Seriously- did you grow up always knowing about the Constitution? If so, you can't understand someone who grew up liberal, but that doesn't mean they're hopeless, only that you don't understand how to teach them. Do you like the fact that the USA is so polarized?
There's a guy here in this thread saying 'fuck this rally guy' because I'm trying to do something positive and all some people can say is 'hur due glad the stupid fag is dead, wouldn't waste my breath on him'.
But what about the #walkaway movement?
IT WAS STARTED BY A FAG !
What could this person, who is now dead, have accomplished if someone could have understood him and helped him to understand? It's that person who could win over a transexual here on this thread saying 'the trash took itself out'? No. But that doesn't change the fact that this now dead person desperately needed someone in their life like that.
Fuck this “Rally” guy. I can’t believe he has the nerve to come here and complain about feel-feels.
I'm saying this approach is not consistent with Trump's opinion. "Some people like steak, some like spaghetti".
If people are not pushing their lifestyle on others, then they're not trash just because they're gay/confused/brainwashed into self mutilation. This person was a victim of the culture that destroyed his life, his victimization doesn't make him 'trash'.
I don't know if he was pushing his lifestyle on others, if he was, that's messed up, but if he went off the rails because he was misled himself, then he deserves compassion.
Trump is a compassionate person.
It's possible to speak the truth about the dysfunction in this man's life without seeing him as 'trash'.
The whole point I'm making isn't about 'feelings', is about the effect those feelings have, turning people away from Trump because it feeds into the fake news narrative that Trump is a heartless bastard. He's not, and because he's not, he'd never say something like that.
Lemme ask you, "vote_for_MAGA_2020"
: how many people have you reasoned into looking objectively at Trump?
Has anyone decided to "vote_for_MAGA_2020/" based on your reasoning here, that transexuals are 'trash'?
I actually talk to people to try to get them to look at Trump, and based on my experience, it's not a winning argument: "vote for Trump, we cheer when depressed confused people kill themselves".
TL/DR. I don’t have time to read about your feel-feelz
All I'm saying is that people who are different from you and me are still potential Trump voters and it's unwise to alienate them unnecessarily. Is that such a contemptible point of view ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwBVbgf8CM&feature=youtu.be&t=83 when she told people at the Trump rally that she was a democrat, she was welcomed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4_sogz42Y0
From the comments : "It was Trump's response to the Orlando Night Club shooting versus Hillary's response that sealed the deal for me. Donald Trump was the one who was more likely to protect me form islamic extremists and Hillary was the one more likely to act as their apologist. "
Are there dysfunctional LGBT people ? Sure. Dysfunctional people are everywhere. Are they all irredeemable ? Apparently not.
Are you going to tell these people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTwsMvFBGQY
you don't want their votes?
I refuse to pander to a group who threatens my way of life.
I refuse to pander to a group who threatens my way of life.
One of the wedges the fake news uses to drive people away from looking at Trump is the lie that he hates/dehumanizes gays.
This thread features Trump supporters displaying and defending the same caricature of intolerance the fake news accuses Trump of having.
Trump said, in re: gays, "some people like spaghetti, some people like steak". That's as deep as he goes with it.
What the 'all or nothing' thinking on this thread doesn't appreciate (but Trump does) is that there is a huge number of people who are not strictly heterosexual who have no interest in pushing their lifestyle on anyone else. The militant gays are way more visible... because they're militant. The silent majority of gays want to be left alone and are decent people and you're acting like all gays want to push Trans story time on toddlers and that's not the case.
If people choose to vote for Trump based on how offended they may or may not get at their supporters, THEN I DONT WANT THEIR VOTE. I don’t give a shit about their feelings. they need to vote for Trump because he’s not a communist lunatic like most of the Democrats are, and he’s making this country great again.
And all I'm saying is someone making a joke calling trash people trash on thedonald.win does not magically alienate all those people.
Sure, it's great that they're walking away from the Democrats but that does not mean the Republicans need to become the party of pandering to every minority or gay.
Hmm. Yeah, actually... it does. When they become aware of it.
Speaking from personal experience with my liberal friends.
It's not magic, it's elementary emotional intelligence. No one will give their loyalty to people they don't feel they can trust, or whom they can't respect.
One of the wedges the fake news uses to drive people away from looking at Trump is the lie that he hates/dehumanizes gays.
This thread features Trump supporters displaying and defending the same caricature of intolerance the fake news accuses Trump of having.
Trump said, in re: gays, "some people like spaghetti, some people like steak". That's as deep as he goes with it.
What the 'all or nothing' thinking on this thread doesn't appreciate is that there is a huge number of people who are not strictly heterosexual who have no interest in pushing their lifestyle on anyone else. The militant gays are way more visible... because they're militant. The silent majority of gays want to be left alone and are decent people and you're acting like all gays want to push Trans story time on toddlers and that's not the case.
Your rationale for saying I am over reacting is that you claim it was simply a joke. That doesn't pass the smell test.
Nah. I have a pretty good sense of humor. That wasn't just a joke, even if it was a 'clever' turn of phrase. And some other people repeating it here aren't just making a joke, either. They really believe gender confused people who commit suicide after having been victimized and brainwashed by a dysfunctional culture are 'trash'.
Have you ever seen a loved one go through any kind of emotional struggle in their lives ? Did you think "I'm done with that person, they are trash" because they were having a hard time ? Or do you live in some bubble of perfect people whose lives are all totally blissful and nothing bad ever happens to them?
Calling people 'trash' who commit suicide due to mental problems and gaslighting from the culture... it doesn't take 'delicate sensibilities' to know that's wrong, and it doesn't take a genius to understand that it was a clear statement of a person's values, even if the turn of phrase also shows a level of wit. Maybe like a 50% level of wit.