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Harambe 3 points ago +3 / -0

Immigrating yourself into a minority is not a winning strategy. We know how they vote. Immigration should be on an as-needed basis. US citizenship is not a human right.

Until we can take care of our own, we shouldn't be bringing in more people. Especially those who will, by default, vote against classic American values.

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no_step_on_snek 3 points ago +4 / -1

You're right about immigration, but my point is "demographics is destiny" is defeatism, it isn't grounded in historical fact, nobody "by default" votes any way, it is up to us to sell our ideas.

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Harambe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Many of them simply want as much free shit as possible. That's why they came to America in the first place.

I'm not a defeatist, but we need to have common sense when all of our border states are turning purple or blue.

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no_step_on_snek 4 points ago +5 / -1

We have to limit immigration to meritocratic methods, yes. A person must only be allowed to enter when allowing them in benefits us, because we know it will benefit them. There is something to be said for selecting those with pro America views before they enter, not doing so is irresponsible.

But the idea that we cannot win hearts and minds, that people are destined to vote one way or to support an opposing ideology is defeatism, no two ways about it. It is simply untrue, you and I both stand as a testament to this fact.

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Kolob 1 point ago +1 / -0

Very true.