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YouKnwNthgJonSnow 91 points ago +93 / -2

I am a devout Catholic and struggle so much with the current pope. This is a pope I can get behind!! Deus vult!!

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VetforTrump 16 points ago +27 / -11

Why do we need a pope at all. God didnt appoint the pope so what's the point?

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PaineThomas 22 points ago +26 / -4

He appointed Pope Benedict, but evil men forced him out to appoint their puppet, Bergoglio.

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nwainil 7 points ago +10 / -3

I don't think so. Benedict is an academic. He refused to come to Rome once using the excuse to JPII that he wanted to write. The second time JPII said he could write in Rome. I think he agreed to it to do the will of God and made a deal with God to let him go when it was time.

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InsideKneeKicks 6 points ago +8 / -2

Not sure how this pope lives with himself. Talk about a shill.

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MemeToo 4 points ago +5 / -1

He didn't have to resign. An honorable captain goes down with his ship.

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Bluestorm83 7 points ago +11 / -4

Preface: I am not trying to challenge your faith or call you bad or anything.

Well, technically, Christ said to him "You are Petros, and on Petra will I build my church." Petros is a small stone, bigger than a pebble, smaller than a fist. Like, imagine a good sized stone to skip on a pond. Petra is a large stone, a boulder, a rock stable solid enough to literally build a structure upon with this rock as its foundation.

What then was the solid foundation that Christ referred to when he said "On this Petra?" It was what Peter had just revealed, when Christ asked him "Who do YOU say I am?" and he replied "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." The Bible had been calling God, or even Christ in the imagery, the Rock of Salvation even from Genesis, which refers to "The Mighty One of Jacob, (from there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel,)" Or Second Samuel, which says "For who is God, besides the LORD? And who is a rock, besides our God?" It's most obvious in the original verse, and the many times it is quoted in the New Testament, "The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone." originally from Psalm 118. Which stone was rejected by the Builders other than Christ himself?

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PipeHawk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Except Peter's name was originally given in Aramaic, not Greek. John 1:42 says "You will be called Cephas, which is translated, 'Peter'". Note the word "translated" there. And Aramaic Kephas has no such distinction between petros/petra.

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Bluestorm83 1 point ago +1 / -0

Right, but Christ was translating this Aramaic word not into English, but into Greek. And in the manuscripts, when Jesus said "You will be called Cephas, which is translated, 'Petros,'" it's the same word for a small, roadside stone as used in the previously discussed verse. So while Aramaic may not differentiate, Greek, the universal language of commerce that both Christ and the Apostles would have spoken fluently being grown men in the burgeoning Roman World, does, and Christ translated Kephas into Petros, not Petra, which is more of a difference than simply masculine/feminine. One is a Boulder, one a Pebble.

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Vaelon 1 point ago +2 / -1

He said you are a PATRIOT!

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Publius_Syrus 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ah I didn't know it was a pun. That makes the verse very clear.

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Publius_Syrus 6 points ago +17 / -11

"He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:15-18)

Earlier in the same chapter, Jesus calls Peter "Satan". This is prior to the Crucifixion and Resurrection, so Peter could not have been washed in the Blood and born again. That means Peter wasn't a certain and unfailing "rock" in any sense. However, Christ is continuously referred to in Scripture as a "rock" (Psalm 18:31, Matthew 7:24-27, Isaiah 28:16, Psalm 62:2, 1 Corinthians 10:4, 1 Corinthians 3:11).

What Jesus is clearly referring to is that Himself, and belief in Him as the Messiah and the Son of God, will the foundation of the Church.

Sorry Catholics

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Splitcart 5 points ago +12 / -7

Yup. Roughly paraphrased He says, "You are 'a pebble', and upon this 'boulder' I will build my church."

It's like they take one slightly confusing bit of wordplay (I think God really likes wordplay, He uses it a lot), and create an entire doctrine....but that doctrine also conflicts with 30 other super-clear verses. (Don't forget Acts 4:11 and it's direct source, Psalms 118:22)

But hey, they have a history of basing doctrine on sketchy sources I suppose; “Luther had made the discovery that the biblical text from the Latin Vulgate, used to support the sacrament of penance, was a mistranslation. The Latin for Matt. 4:17 read pent-tentiam agite, “do penance”, but from the Greek New Testament of Erasmus, Luther had learned that the original meant simply “be penitent.” The literal sense was “change your mind.” “Fortified with this passage, ” wrote Luther to Staupitz in the dedication of the Resolutions, “I venture to say they are wrong who make more of the act in Latin than of the change of heart in Greek.” This was what Luther himself called a “glowing” discovery, In this crucial instance a sacrament of the Church did not rest on the institution of Scripture.” – Roland Bainton “Here I Stand, A Life of Martin Luther“

Historically the Lutheran church calls 'the office of the pope' the anti-christ, and it's pretty easy to see why.

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Publius_Syrus 1 point ago +1 / -0

But "to be aware of church history is to become Catholic" or something

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PersonalBimmer 3 points ago +7 / -4

ummmm...did you read the NEXT verse? The one labeled Matthew 16:19?

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Bluestorm83 3 points ago +7 / -4

That verse however applies to ANY who know the Gospel. Who we bring the Gospel to may be loosed. If we refuse to bring the Gospel to any, they will remain bound. It's not some magical power to save or damn that Christ gave to one man to hand down in some sort of Physical Kingdom ("Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.") but rather that, since Peter had just revealed the very heart of the Gospel, which is Christ's identity as the Savior, Christ was pointing out THAT is the Key to Heaven and Hell.

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Splitcart 2 points ago +6 / -4

Ummmmm...Did you read Matthew 18:18? So, all of the apostles are popes by that logic.

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PipeHawk 2 points ago +3 / -1

"Did you read Matthew 18:18? So, all of the apostles are popes by that logic."

Not at all, if you pay attention to the Greek.

In Matt 18:18 Christ gives the binding and loosing power in the plural to the Apostles: "I say to you (humin= plural), what you bind (desete = plural)...what you loose (lusete = plural)...."

But in Matt 16, everything is in the singular: "Jesus said to him (singular)...what you bind (deiseis = singular)...what you loose (luseis = singular)."

Christ gives the power of binding and loosing corporately to the Apostles but singularly to Peter. It's the same power really...but the Apostles hold it as a body, and Peter holds it as an individual.

Plus note that Matt never says that the Apostles got the keys to the kingdom of heaven, does he?

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PipeHawk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sorry yourself, you are conveniently omitting the rest of passage.

"Blessed are you (2nd person singular), Simon Bar-Jonah, because flesh and blood has not revealed this to you...Also I say to you that you are Petros, and upon this Petra I shall build my church [and now the bit you left out]...and I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and what you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

There is no way to read that bit about the keys and binding and loosing as anything but a grant of divine authority by Christ to the actual person of Peter in the singular, which is clear from the Greek grammar. You can certainly make a case for Peter being the little stone hewn from the Rock of Christ (and I believe the Greek is actually punning on that a bit), but you can't ignore the rest of it.

One more thing. John 1:42 says flat out that Peter's name was given in Aramaic originally (Cephas), and was then translated into Greek. Aramaic doesn't have a Petros/Petra distinction.

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Publius_Syrus 1 point ago +1 / -0

That verse is talking about evangelism. He was addressing Peter directly because he was the one who said Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of God.

Why would there not being a distinction in Aramaic matter? The Gospels were originally written in Greek. And it doesn't matter what language Jesus used at that moment (he can speak any language anyway). If we believe the Bible, the Holy Spirit gave the words to Matthew. The Petros/Petra distinction is the Word of God.

And, again, why would Peter be a rock worthy of being the foundation-stone of the church when later in the same passage Christ calls him "Satan"?

But no matter how you interpret this passage, using this to say that Peter became the representative of God on earth and had absolute authority on spiritual matters, which was then passed on to the Bishops of Rome when there is no scriptural evidence of such an occurrence, is asinine. The veil was torn. We all have equal access to the Holiest of Holies.

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Splitcart 1 point ago +2 / -1

The Bible makes sense and is coherent with itself. When things appear to contradict, they don't, but are merely being misinterpreted. How is him citing 6 verses about Jesus being a rock cherry-picking? (And he even missed several.) The verses are right there, you can easily go and read the context. Not to mention that there was not a single paraphrase in his reply.

Now then, if you have 10 clear verses directly saying Christ is the rock, and one verse saying something that could maybe be vaguely interpreted as Peter being the rock IF you don't understand wordplay and the contrast between 'petros' and 'petra'... which interpretation is the safer one? A. The interpretation that builds an entire doctrine off of a pun and contradicts everything else in the Bible about how God's Church will be built, or B. the one that fits in with the rest of the Bible?

I'll take option B.

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PipeHawk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Because they are 10 clear verses from other passages that aren't actually arguments against what is going on in this passage, unless you have a vested theological interest in ignoring what Christ is saying.

No one disputes Christ is THE Rock.

But you are trying to argue that because Christ is the Rock, he didn't/couldn't/wouldn't by divine authority delegate some of that "rockiness," with the very language of the keys that was used in Isaiah 22:22 to delegate authority: "And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."

That is clearly what the whole thrust of the passage with the keys and binding and loosing is all about...Christ granting Peter divine authority. I am astounded that people go to such lengths to deny this absolutely obvious fact.

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Publius_Syrus 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Come out of her, My people"

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Goodquestionidiot 1 point ago +2 / -1

That's a lot of interpretation, paraphrasing and cherry picking from different Books to end with, "Sorry Catholics."

After all these thousands of years, Publius_Syrus undid your religion with his interpretation of the Bible, Sorry Catholics.

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ProdigalPlaneswalker 4 points ago +6 / -2

Saint Simon "The Rock" Peter, The Fisher of Men, first appointed leader of Christ's disciples on Earth!

Christian Rock bands intensify

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Lemongrass5 2 points ago +4 / -2

The church is the people NOT the apostle. You wouldn't call Jesus an apostle since he's the human manifestation of God, but the people that followed him were considered the church. He used the apostles like Peter to GROW the church.

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nwainil 2 points ago +6 / -4

Actually he did.

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Quietwolfkingcrow 7 points ago +8 / -1

Make the Vatican great again!

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peterthegreen 1 point ago +1 / -0

#DrainTheTiber

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DrVSGGEOTUSPhD 6 points ago +7 / -1

[In Saint Peter's Square, a uuuuge crowd is gathered.]

[Massive speakers blare "Proud To Be A Catholic," a lightly re-worked version of the beloved Lee Greenwood classic.]

[Trump opens the balcony doors and addresses the capacity crowd:]

[CROWD GOES FUCKING INSANE]

Bless you, bless you, and bless YOU! The papacy of me, Pontifex Maximus Tremendicus Xll, will be the best, absolutely most top-shelf papacy you've ever seen, I guarantee it. Other popes? When I'm done, you'll feel sorry for the other popes, really sorry. I mean how could they compete? It's not fair really, is it?

[Crowd laughs and laughs]

I will appoint cardinals like you've never seen before. Not sure why 'Ol Jorge left all these cardinalships open, but we're filling them up!

[Crowd starts chanting I-N-R-I! I-N-R-I!]

Yes! We are, we're filling them full of very tough cardinals, and they'll be getting all these nasty priests and their bishops RIGHT OUT! GET EM OUT! Bye Bye, go home to mommy.

Man, what a turnout! Did Heretical Jorge ever get crowds like this?

[crowd roars]

Heretical Jorge! What a piece of work, right folks?

[Crowd boos]

But we got him out, and now we're draining the swamp here in the Vatican.

We've appointed a very tough new heads of the Curia... Like Cardinal Vigano..

[CROWD ERUPTS IN EAR-SPLITTING ROARS of "VIGANO! VIGANO! VIGANO!"]

Cardinal Vigano! Hey, maybe when I'm done here, he'll take over? I gotta watch out for that guy, very tough!

Anyway, with him at the head of the Congregation For The Doctrine Of The Faith, we'll have this place cleaned out in a jiffy. He's getting the bums out of here FAST. Get em out!

One day they're sitting on the beach, soaking up your donation money, the next?

BOOM! LAICIZED! BUH-BYE.

Vigano and the Congregation, wow, TOUGH guys, very tough. Most people couldn't do what they do. These bad priests, they form what they call "nests." And the CDF boys, they go right in there and GET EM OUT! ...

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YouKnwNthgJonSnow 2 points ago +3 / -1

AMEN!

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Awesome 4 points ago +6 / -2

I have similar feelings regarding the current pope, based on the things he is saying and doing. Just doesn't seem very catholic to me. At a time like this when a strong true Pope can do so much to guide the world, this one usurped the position.

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YouKnwNthgJonSnow 2 points ago +4 / -2

I loved Pope Benedict - of course we have two popes, I guess. Weird times, man.

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Necrovoter 2 points ago +4 / -2

Pope John Paul Miller!

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sniffyJB 39 points ago +40 / -1

Ominous Dominus MAGAmus KAGimus

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IcculusBased9 9 points ago +9 / -0

Insiders close to the situation report hearing loud cracks of thunder and pleas of supplication.

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PaineThomas 14 points ago +14 / -0

Pope Dominous the 45th.

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b4ird0x 38 points ago +38 / -0

I can't tell if this is image manipulation. I'm going to need Snopes to factcheck this.

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II_OOF_II 13 points ago +13 / -0

It's doctored.

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Basileus 9 points ago +9 / -0

Doctor Cowboy

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Ophelia 10 points ago +10 / -0

EVAN? EVAN!

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Greenetarpaulin 7 points ago +7 / -0

Or ask Evan.

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Basileus 16 points ago +18 / -2

Antipope

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nwainil 5 points ago +7 / -2

In my whole life (69 years now) Every Holy Father has been labeled the Antipope or Antichrist by detractors of the Church. Never fails and you cannot find a time when it doesn't happen. Truth is that history bears out the truth. Malarkey!

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Basileus 5 points ago +5 / -0

B-16 is the one true pope. Perhaps one day history will bear out the truth of the coup against him. Francis appears to be a puppet of that coup

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TheBigT03 14 points ago +14 / -0

You should read up about Pope Pious XII. he is often unfairly called a nazi sympathizer yet helped organize Operation Valkyrie. But agreed, current Pope is no good.

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ProdigalPlaneswalker 8 points ago +8 / -0

a true saint

I saw him ride by in the Pope-mobile once. It was like being in a Trump rally.

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tombombadil 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yup. It’s like how every Republican President is called Hitler. There is as much fake news surrounding every pope and Catholicism as there is Trump and MAGA/conservatism. Things start to make a whole lot more sense once you take a red pill and actually look into what it is all about.

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DrVSGGEOTUSPhD 3 points ago +3 / -0

WHOREje Bergolio IS A CULTURAL RAPIST!

CHURCHMILITANT.COM!

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Sapples23 14 points ago +15 / -1

Francis is a cuck globalist. I won’t be surprised if he’s not even religious

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nwainil 3 points ago +5 / -2

Read his letter on Hope. It is called and encyclical. Then decide.

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tombombadil -4 points ago +2 / -6

Let me guess. You haven’t read a single thing he has written or listened to a single speech? You just see out of context, poorly translated quotes and draw conclusions that fit your predetermined narrative. Kind of like what leftists do to Trump.

I don’t think he is the greatest Pope ever, but he is not religious is one of the most retarded accusations I’ve seen thrown at him.

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Harambe 2 points ago +2 / -0

I bet you wrote that after watching the cucked Obamaflix documentary on him.

Lmao

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theneverman 13 points ago +14 / -1

I laughed a bit too hard on this one

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anachrotech 11 points ago +12 / -1

I haven't been liking Frank at all. As a church going Catholic, I still look to Benedict. A great deception with Frank's installment.
The Don looks good in white.

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Santars 1 point ago +2 / -1

the Bible explains what has happened in sodom $ gommora -- lets forget that -- the church needs your money to pay for the crimes of the leadership

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SarcastiCarcasS 10 points ago +10 / -0

Is this doctored?

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XxXusernameXxX 10 points ago +10 / -0

God is good.

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Ophelia 9 points ago +9 / -0

All the time.

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nwainil 5 points ago +6 / -1

All the time....God is Good

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SarcastiCarcasS 8 points ago +8 / -0

Is this doctored?

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ScottyJ 7 points ago +7 / -0

A+

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ed_shaw 6 points ago +6 / -0

I said Pepe,. not Pope.

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peterthegreen 2 points ago +3 / -1

Pope Pepe I! He'd certainly be more Catholic than the guy there now.

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nwainil 5 points ago +7 / -2

Does he speak 3 languages? It's required. I am shocked that people who esteem the best President we have ever had would suggest a high place would be the papacy. In all my experience on the_donald and thedonald.win I have had to defend my faith and this gives me hope that someone out there sees this as a good thing (even joking) instead of the usual anti-Christ malarkey about the Holy Father. Thanks for this....it is a good one.

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ProdigalPlaneswalker 11 points ago +11 / -0

Does he speak 3 languages?

English, the language of America.

Mathematics, the language of Business.

Memes, the language of Centipedes.

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rooftoptendie 6 points ago +6 / -0

Navajo Shittalker

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Iridiue 4 points ago +6 / -2

If the Pope dies, then like basically 9.5/10 of the requirements for the End Times are upon us.

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patriot51 4 points ago +4 / -0

Priceless ??

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BIG_TUNA 4 points ago +4 / -0

That is fucking gold! Great shop work brother

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4Liberty 4 points ago +4 / -0

As someone who never trusts the liberal, anti-catholic MSM, every time they make a claim about something the pope said, I go find the full transcript and discover the MSM lied or took the pope’s words completely out of context.

In fact, in the encyclical they referenced that got everyone thinking the pope is a socialist/globalist, he was actually speaking out against globalism, against fake wars for profit, against global bankers, etc. He has also flat out said he opposes socialism.

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tombombadil 2 points ago +2 / -0

After all that Trump has exposed about the media and their agenda, you gotta be a special kind of stupid to think that the MSM will suddenly report real news when it comes to the pope. It’s sad to see how prevalent the misconceptions are on the pope and The Church among Trump supporters.

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4Liberty 2 points ago +2 / -0

Very true. I think it stems from human nature / bias confirmation. There’s a lot of Protestants out there who oppose Catholicism regardless, and will eagerly believe the anti catholic smears from the liberal MSM whose goal is to discredit the Church. We all need to get in the habit of doing our own research and fact checking on everything and thinking objectively.

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ChinaGoodMericaBad 4 points ago +4 / -0

I feel like this may have been a liberal attempt at memeing

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MAGAPHIL 4 points ago +5 / -1

Who knows. He might have caught the coronavirus. I read that he got sick after he was hugging and kissing a large crowd of people.

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ProdigalPlaneswalker 3 points ago +4 / -1

a large crowd of

Coronavirus victims.

Either his handlers assured him they were fake victims or he thought being Pope magically makes him immune to disease.

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JimmyJames 3 points ago +3 / -0

Make the Pontifex Maximus again!

Facite Pontificem Denuo Maximum!

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joew 3 points ago +3 / -0

Trump 20:20 - I'm dying here.

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warlord1 3 points ago +3 / -0

lmao yea dude

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EpicTrump 2 points ago +2 / -0

We know that he’d make the Catholic Church Great Again, that’s for sure.

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conservativefrank 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pope GEOTUS I

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Vaelon 1 point ago +1 / -0

L O L

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MemeToo 1 point ago +1 / -0

Excellent Photoshop work!

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MaelMordaMacmurchada 1 point ago +2 / -1

If the current Pope is sick, Deus must by definition Vult....

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JohnCarpenterLives -1 points ago +1 / -2

Good. Fucking Satanist.

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HeavenlyTrumpets 14 points ago +15 / -1

"pope" Francis is in poor taste. Ask any actual practicing Catholic.

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rascalson2020 10 points ago +11 / -1

Or even any non-practicing, as he and those like him are the reason we do not practice.

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HeavenlyTrumpets 6 points ago +6 / -0

True.

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tombombadil 1 point ago +2 / -1

If you are a Catholic who doesn’t practice the faith because you don’t like the current Pope, then you are simply making excuses for not wanting to go to the effort of being a good Christian.