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Exactly. He will do what is best for the American people, not what is best to line the pockets of politicians. This is the #1 reason they want Trump out above all.
It's almost like without poppy, Afghanistan's economy would be even worse, right? Same retarded logic as the people who criticize the US protecting oil fields.
I was there. Sea of opium as far as the eye could see. Was told that they use this to buy their weapons and explosives to target us. Asked why we didn’t just burn it all down. Was told they’d take it out on the locals(the farmers). Rofl. Yea ok, they’re gonna punish the farmers because the US military went scorched earth on their $$$. As if half the farmers aren’t Taliban themselves probably.
They’ve already preemptively stated that MUH RUSSIA is helping Bernie’s campaign now, too. They will make sure no president ever develops a good relationship with Russia, or pulls troops out of the MENA in any capacity. At least if Bernie is the nominee, the intel state loses no matter who wins the general.
Not a great consolation for the socialist dystopian hellhole he’d try to create, but hey, it’s something!
Some opiods used in medicine are synthetic, some come from poppy straw (a species grown mostly in Turkey that is low in morphine, but high in theibane, which though not an active opiate itself, is the precursor for oxycodone. Instead of collecting opium from seed pods, the thebaine comes from the stalks, so the plant can be collected with mechanical harvesters), and many do still come from opium, most of which is grown in Tasmania (Australia), India, Spain, and some other places.
The opium grown in Afghanistan is for the illegal heroin market, which makes the fact that our Generals decided to protect poppy fields even more infuriating. If our own military cannot fight the Drug War in occupied territories, then why even have a Drug War? All this sleazy ,playing both sides, spook BS needs to end.
The War on Drugs just exists to normalize the police state. Gotta have drugs to have a war on them. Stop the supply and you can't arrest the victims. Gotta keep those supply lines flowing. A wall would also help stop the supply lines. Wonder why they hate that idea?
Deployed there in 2017-18 as a DUSTOFF medic. Saw Americans, Afghans, British, and others get seriously wounded and killed for absolutely nothing.
There hasn’t been a clear mission there since we toppled the Taliban in 2001-2002. And especially after 2010 when Bin Laden was killed.
We spend billions of dollars using hellfires to kill farmers who plant bombs because their children or families are kidnapped or black mailed into helping the Taliban.
I was 13 years old when they towers fell. My brother was 9. Between us we have 4 combat tours In Afghanistan. If this isn’t insanity to anyone else, I don’t know what is.
no, no, i mean the companies can switch to other products, not the workers can learn how to do other things...
i just got done watching ford vs ferarri, and in it Ford Jr is looking out across his factory talking about how they don't JUST make shitty cars... they made tanks and airplanes during the war. So it's just the idea is stuck in my head from watching that movie. The company can just switch production to things people actually need.
Yeah this idea of “allies” in Europe seems a little weird to me in 2020. We’re long past the era of major wars and mass conflicts, we live in a business-driven world where development is happening rapidly and globally. We don’t need “allies” if we’re serious about keeping our troops home, we need countries with shared economic and democratic goals to make mutually-beneficial arrangements to conduct business together. Clients!
Trillions go into following the same old process and just let china and russia overtake us in hypersonics, instead of actual development of new technologies. Maybe make a rocket so we don't have to hitch a ride with the russians.
The left just pretends they are against endless war when a republican is president. They were literally cheering on Obama as he droned American teenagers.
The left doesn't even know to handle their talking points at this point.
My dad, retired several years from 40 years of nothing but government jobs, is still insistent that all Republicans are for endless wars. He only gets news from the local paper, CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg, and Jim Wallis' email newsletter. Never mind Syria, Libya, what happened at Benghazi, he insists that Republicans are for war and Democrats for peace. In January he insisted for days and days that the only reason we took out Soleimani was to colonize Iran and get their oil. And
just this week he said that he has a moral obligation to support whoever the Dem nominee is for the sake of the Constitution, the "Rule of Law", and to avoid endless wars.
But now days after saying that, apparently this decision is foolhardy and risking countless lives in the region. What's wrong with it, I ask? The decision was supposed to be made in Feb. 2021 by the 46th President of the United States. 45 can't be counted on and shouldn't get the victory.
If Trump cured cancer the left would would sob how mean he is to those hard-working pharmaceutical companies that make cancer drugs.
Afghanistan and the pointlessness and expense of warring there is a large piece that helped cause the downfall of the USSR. Being there in perpetuity with no mission, no goals, no aims etc was a deliberate ploy by bush & hussein to cripple the US financially and reduce their war-fighting effectiveness such that they cant respond to other threats elsewhere in the world.. a classic tar-pit scenario. All the while keeping the military-industrial complex flush with cash and wonderful book deals, speeches at lavish and expensive dinners, donations to foundations and all the rest of the graft flowing.
The war was as much against the corruption within the US as anything the taliban could bring to the table.
Another win, this one is a biggie! Bless POTUS and all people involved with this amazing deal.
I had a friend killed there in 2009 and I went there in 2012 and it still blows my mind we are STILL there! I just realized it's been 8 years since I was there and we were supposed to be leaving then!
There was no point to it all - it felt like being a police officer in a corrupt Democrat city. No way to fix any of the actual problems but you still get sent out on the streets to try to do something anyway....and I would rather use spend resources and talent on fixing our own cities then on the other side of the world for a bunch of ungrateful people that benefits my family and community in no way.
No, but going through the motions as a preamble to eventually walking away from Afghanistan completely, is better than just dragging that bullshit on forever.
Did anyone believe that an agreement signed by Iran was worth the paper it was printed on?
At least Trump isn't sending the Taliban billions of dollars in cash, isn't releasing their terrorists, or giving them any advantage over the U.S.
Islam isn't a real religion because Muhammad made it all up without any influence from God, so Muslims aren't obligated to keep their promises. Muhammad made sure of that because he didn't want to have to keep his promises, and invented that "Allah" made revelations to him that allowed Muslims to lie and break promises.
if you think about it in a kind of removed way, its a bunch of people who go all at once to bow before a black cube that fell from space, bow to the cube 5 times a day, and run around the rest of the time like they're posessed with demonic spirits.
They cut everything's throat, lie, steal, inbreed themselves dumber, enslave their females, and roam around as far as they can in every direction to find more things to invade.
I think the Taliban will honor the ceasefire, since it's the most expedient way of getting the west out of Afghanistan. 18 years of roadside bombs and ambushes didn't change anything in their favor and their death toll was many multiples of ours.
They'll break the Deal at their first opportunity, but until then it'll be glorious to see just how the DemSocs will try to spin this as a Trump failure.
They'll probably just trot out their tired old First Love: "Russia, Russia, Ruuuussia!"
Why wait 14 months? We should have been out of there 30 days after Osama bin Laden died of lead poisoning. There is absolutely no critical US interest in staying in Afghanistan one more day.
We went to war there because the Taliban refused to surrender Bin Laden. Bin Laden has been dead 9 years. There is no reason to be at war in Afghanistan any more, and there hasn't been for a long time. Imagine fighting in a war that started before you were born.
already saw people on twitter complaining that you should never negotiate with terrorists ...so..like ..they want war ?? You really can't do anything about stupid
Did they say Obama shouldn't have negotiated - including sending billions of dollars to them and releasing prisoners - with Iranian terrorists (which is what Iran leaders are)?
The leftards will ALWAYS criticize president Trump, no matter what he does.
It's true that Muslims can't be trusted, but leaving with an agreement is the best that can be done. It's either this or having troops there forever because, as long as Islam exists, the Middle East will be an unstable battleground, and peace agreements will be worthless.
I've been crying off and on since I read this. I never thought I would live to see it end. 34 brothers and sisters of mine were killed since 2001. It's for them I am sad for.
If Obama did this he'd get the Nobel peace price for the next decade straight, but since it's Trump the media will either ignore this or spin it as a bad thing.
Funny how on r/politics most of them are extremely pessimistic about this, or outright against this decision. I think I've seen maybe one positive comment about it.
Hopefully we can use that as excuse to GTFO from that shithole.
FYI. taliban is just one organization that is "fighting" There are many more...fake news just doesn't report it.
NOTHING gets done overnight in DC. We know Trump wants the troops out but can’t risk that fight this close to the election. Not only do we need his re-election but we’ve got to get a majority back in the house and drop some of these neutral dem senators too who only vote with trump when it doesn’t matter either way.
It's a deal with Muslims. Islam allows them to lie and break promises.
It won't last, but it's the only way to bring our troops home. Even with an agreement, the leftards are saying "Trump was defeated," imagine if he just brought back the troops without an agreement.
Of course, they"d be crying while worshipping Obama, if he had made this deal to end the war and bring our troops back, but that's just the usual leftard hypocrisy for you.
Of course it will not last but as long that they don't target the US or its citizens it's a good deal for us. Afghans oppressing Afghans is their internal matter.
Pompeo’s arrival in Doha, Qatar on Saturday followed reports that, just days earlier, he had informed a conference of U.S. ambassadors at the State Department that he was only attending the signing because President Trump has insisted on his participation, two people present told The Associated Press.
What point at all does that source-less side note serve to the news of the signing? Fuck Fox.
GET US OUT!
There is literally zero reason to be there other than opium for the drug companies. Two interesting charts to look at.
Afghanistan opium production chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan#/media/File:Afghanistan_opium_poppy_cultivation_1994-2007b.PNG
Opioid deaths in America chart https://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2017/news/10/30/philcon-1.jpg?ext=.jpg
THE DEEP STATE IS FUCKING EVIL
Lucky for us, we have the BEST President for making that happen. He’ll drag us out while the deep state is kicking, screaming and crying.
Exactly. He will do what is best for the American people, not what is best to line the pockets of politicians. This is the #1 reason they want Trump out above all.
that's why they killing JFK, he was getting us out of Vietnam
The leftists would absolutely despise JFK if he were around today.
Before the war, Afghanistan accounted for 10% of opium, after the war 90%. Weird right?
Marijuana died for this - weird right?
It's almost like without poppy, Afghanistan's economy would be even worse, right? Same retarded logic as the people who criticize the US protecting oil fields.
I was there. Sea of opium as far as the eye could see. Was told that they use this to buy their weapons and explosives to target us. Asked why we didn’t just burn it all down. Was told they’d take it out on the locals(the farmers). Rofl. Yea ok, they’re gonna punish the farmers because the US military went scorched earth on their $$$. As if half the farmers aren’t Taliban themselves probably.
CIA wants it's cash cow. This is why there has been a nonstop coup against Trump since he's been elected. The deep state doesn't want to change.
They’ve already preemptively stated that MUH RUSSIA is helping Bernie’s campaign now, too. They will make sure no president ever develops a good relationship with Russia, or pulls troops out of the MENA in any capacity. At least if Bernie is the nominee, the intel state loses no matter who wins the general.
Not a great consolation for the socialist dystopian hellhole he’d try to create, but hey, it’s something!
I thought the opium all went to funding clowns. Isn't all pharma opioids synthetic?
It does, and no.
Some opiods used in medicine are synthetic, some come from poppy straw (a species grown mostly in Turkey that is low in morphine, but high in theibane, which though not an active opiate itself, is the precursor for oxycodone. Instead of collecting opium from seed pods, the thebaine comes from the stalks, so the plant can be collected with mechanical harvesters), and many do still come from opium, most of which is grown in Tasmania (Australia), India, Spain, and some other places.
The opium grown in Afghanistan is for the illegal heroin market, which makes the fact that our Generals decided to protect poppy fields even more infuriating. If our own military cannot fight the Drug War in occupied territories, then why even have a Drug War? All this sleazy ,playing both sides, spook BS needs to end.
The War on Drugs just exists to normalize the police state. Gotta have drugs to have a war on them. Stop the supply and you can't arrest the victims. Gotta keep those supply lines flowing. A wall would also help stop the supply lines. Wonder why they hate that idea?
And more importantly, very real.
Deployed there in 2017-18 as a DUSTOFF medic. Saw Americans, Afghans, British, and others get seriously wounded and killed for absolutely nothing. There hasn’t been a clear mission there since we toppled the Taliban in 2001-2002. And especially after 2010 when Bin Laden was killed. We spend billions of dollars using hellfires to kill farmers who plant bombs because their children or families are kidnapped or black mailed into helping the Taliban. I was 13 years old when they towers fell. My brother was 9. Between us we have 4 combat tours In Afghanistan. If this isn’t insanity to anyone else, I don’t know what is.
Thank you for your service sir.
Reminded me of this lol!
https://youtu.be/xMhBsgG8fUA
Heeeeeeey I was a DUSTOFF crewchief in that part of the world, too.
But that was in 2011-2012.
I wall all over Iraq in 17-18 with dustoff medics.
What????
I love endless wars now!!
HoW wIlL oUr EcOnOmY sUrViVe WiThOuT eNdLeSs WaRs?
The defense industry definitely employs a lot of Americans, though. Entire towns run on Raytheon/Boeing/Lockheed manufacturing
Oh don’t get me wrong, I say fuck ‘em
Same argument could be applied to coal and gas jobs, no? That’s exactly what democrats say to people worried about where those jobs will go.
It’s not an easy dilemma.
no, no, i mean the companies can switch to other products, not the workers can learn how to do other things...
i just got done watching ford vs ferarri, and in it Ford Jr is looking out across his factory talking about how they don't JUST make shitty cars... they made tanks and airplanes during the war. So it's just the idea is stuck in my head from watching that movie. The company can just switch production to things people actually need.
Oh I see, good point!
Yeah this idea of “allies” in Europe seems a little weird to me in 2020. We’re long past the era of major wars and mass conflicts, we live in a business-driven world where development is happening rapidly and globally. We don’t need “allies” if we’re serious about keeping our troops home, we need countries with shared economic and democratic goals to make mutually-beneficial arrangements to conduct business together. Clients!
They could be making spaceships to Mars instead.
Maybe those fuckers at Lockheed Martin can learn to do something besides manufacturing ICBMs.
Trillions go into following the same old process and just let china and russia overtake us in hypersonics, instead of actual development of new technologies. Maybe make a rocket so we don't have to hitch a ride with the russians.
How about building some rockets for space force and get that Mars colony up and running
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Drumph will get us all killed if he makes peace!
GET OUT HERE YOU COMMIE FUCK!
The left just pretends they are against endless war when a republican is president. They were literally cheering on Obama as he droned American teenagers.
The left doesn't even know to handle their talking points at this point.
My dad, retired several years from 40 years of nothing but government jobs, is still insistent that all Republicans are for endless wars. He only gets news from the local paper, CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg, and Jim Wallis' email newsletter. Never mind Syria, Libya, what happened at Benghazi, he insists that Republicans are for war and Democrats for peace. In January he insisted for days and days that the only reason we took out Soleimani was to colonize Iran and get their oil. And just this week he said that he has a moral obligation to support whoever the Dem nominee is for the sake of the Constitution, the "Rule of Law", and to avoid endless wars.
But now days after saying that, apparently this decision is foolhardy and risking countless lives in the region. What's wrong with it, I ask? The decision was supposed to be made in Feb. 2021 by the 46th President of the United States. 45 can't be counted on and shouldn't get the victory.
If Trump cured cancer the left would would sob how mean he is to those hard-working pharmaceutical companies that make cancer drugs.
Afghanistan and the pointlessness and expense of warring there is a large piece that helped cause the downfall of the USSR. Being there in perpetuity with no mission, no goals, no aims etc was a deliberate ploy by bush & hussein to cripple the US financially and reduce their war-fighting effectiveness such that they cant respond to other threats elsewhere in the world.. a classic tar-pit scenario. All the while keeping the military-industrial complex flush with cash and wonderful book deals, speeches at lavish and expensive dinners, donations to foundations and all the rest of the graft flowing.
The war was as much against the corruption within the US as anything the taliban could bring to the table.
Another win, this one is a biggie! Bless POTUS and all people involved with this amazing deal.
If Hillary was POTUS, she would be helping the Taliban.
Bold of you to assume she isn’t now.
She ain't... cause she ran out of MONEY! Clinton Foundation halting ALL global operations since 2018.
She needs to save the little money she has for pimping Haitian children.
I'm sure she IS STILL helping them. And Kerry too
Kerry is actively working with the Iranians and should at a minimum have his passport revoked.
So he can't get back here....
Really Kerry should be in Gitmo or Leavenworth for his crimes.
Too bad you can never trust those swine. As soon as they're less supervised, they'll begin planning an attack.
Glad for an end to the war, just sad it's not an end to Islam.
I don't like or trust the Taliban, but we need to get our boys out of there.
I had a friend killed there in 2009 and I went there in 2012 and it still blows my mind we are STILL there! I just realized it's been 8 years since I was there and we were supposed to be leaving then!
There was no point to it all - it felt like being a police officer in a corrupt Democrat city. No way to fix any of the actual problems but you still get sent out on the streets to try to do something anyway....and I would rather use spend resources and talent on fixing our own cities then on the other side of the world for a bunch of ungrateful people that benefits my family and community in no way.
Condolences for your loss and thanks for your service.
There are now kids who can LEGALLY VITE who were born after we had invaded the country. Think about that....
Watch the left and the MSM go full warmonger. You never go full warmonger!
Tulsi is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Don’t trust her for anything
Does anyone actually believe an agreement signed by the Taliban is worth the paper it's printed on?
No, but going through the motions as a preamble to eventually walking away from Afghanistan completely, is better than just dragging that bullshit on forever.
We will only draw down all troops if the taliban follows through, but hey at least POTUS is trying to get out.
Did anyone believe that an agreement signed by Iran was worth the paper it was printed on?
At least Trump isn't sending the Taliban billions of dollars in cash, isn't releasing their terrorists, or giving them any advantage over the U.S.
Islam isn't a real religion because Muhammad made it all up without any influence from God, so Muslims aren't obligated to keep their promises. Muhammad made sure of that because he didn't want to have to keep his promises, and invented that "Allah" made revelations to him that allowed Muslims to lie and break promises.
if you think about it in a kind of removed way, its a bunch of people who go all at once to bow before a black cube that fell from space, bow to the cube 5 times a day, and run around the rest of the time like they're posessed with demonic spirits.
They cut everything's throat, lie, steal, inbreed themselves dumber, enslave their females, and roam around as far as they can in every direction to find more things to invade.
THEYRE THE FUCKING BORG.
Doesn’t matter, lets gtfo and wash our hands of this. Should have left Iraq after Soleimani, should have left Syria despite the Kurds.
No
I think the Taliban will honor the ceasefire, since it's the most expedient way of getting the west out of Afghanistan. 18 years of roadside bombs and ambushes didn't change anything in their favor and their death toll was many multiples of ours.
They'll break the Deal at their first opportunity, but until then it'll be glorious to see just how the DemSocs will try to spin this as a Trump failure.
They'll probably just trot out their tired old First Love: "Russia, Russia, Ruuuussia!"
And right on cue the screaming libtards on the BBC news Facebook comments are making out this is a bad thing and that Trump has been defeated
Why wait 14 months? We should have been out of there 30 days after Osama bin Laden died of lead poisoning. There is absolutely no critical US interest in staying in Afghanistan one more day.
My guess is there won't be a Taliban in 14 months.
They won't be able to resist the urge to do something stupid to break the treaty.
Then GEOTUS will be justified in unleashing full Fire & Fury in response.
Poppy fields probably destroyed in the chaos.
Oh noooooo... That sucks!
SAD!
We went to war there because the Taliban refused to surrender Bin Laden. Bin Laden has been dead 9 years. There is no reason to be at war in Afghanistan any more, and there hasn't been for a long time. Imagine fighting in a war that started before you were born.
Somehow dems will spin this to say it was Obama doing... Piss off
How many goat virgins did this deal cost us?
Libs should be saying “wars good” any minute now
We have always been at war with Eastasia
Oh they wasted no time there.
already saw people on twitter complaining that you should never negotiate with terrorists ...so..like ..they want war ?? You really can't do anything about stupid
Did they say Obama shouldn't have negotiated - including sending billions of dollars to them and releasing prisoners - with Iranian terrorists (which is what Iran leaders are)?
The leftards will ALWAYS criticize president Trump, no matter what he does.
It's true that Muslims can't be trusted, but leaving with an agreement is the best that can be done. It's either this or having troops there forever because, as long as Islam exists, the Middle East will be an unstable battleground, and peace agreements will be worthless.
or that time he negotiated and sent a bunch of guns to mexican cartels
Getting the Norks to the peace table, and/or destroying ISIS would be my picks.
Just a guess but maybe the death of 2 prominent ISIS leaders might have softened them up a little
Doesn't hurt that the killing blows were delivered with unutterable, amazing accuracy & precision...talk about picking & choosing your targets!
Taliban wants no part of that - they noped all the way to the table to make a deal.
I reckon Trump spooked the shit out of them when he ordered a strike that shattered a fucking mountain with a single bomb...
100 ISIS dickheads reduced to ashes with a warhead bigger than a Mercedes-Maybach LOL!
I truly hope they named it "Ahab The MOAB" before they dropped it on their asses.
“America to begin immediate troop withdrawal”
Trump is the biggest war hawk this country has ever seen.
I've been crying off and on since I read this. I never thought I would live to see it end. 34 brothers and sisters of mine were killed since 2001. It's for them I am sad for.
President of Peace
If Obama did this he'd get the Nobel peace price for the next decade straight, but since it's Trump the media will either ignore this or spin it as a bad thing.
wtf i hate peace now
Trump puts the interests of the US and its citizens first. That's exactly why he was elected.
Bolton is criticizing it because he's a war monger.
Funny how on r/politics most of them are extremely pessimistic about this, or outright against this decision. I think I've seen maybe one positive comment about it.
They will blow it within a month. Screenshot this now.
Glad I wasted six collective years in those shitholes.
thank you for doing work to end the endless wars, papa geotus
Hopefully we can use that as excuse to GTFO from that shithole. FYI. taliban is just one organization that is "fighting" There are many more...fake news just doesn't report it.
I'd be shocked if this lasts more than a year. They sign deals all the time that they have no intention of honoring.
As long as they target their own people and not the US or its citizens, its a good deal for us and our solders.
NOTHING gets done overnight in DC. We know Trump wants the troops out but can’t risk that fight this close to the election. Not only do we need his re-election but we’ve got to get a majority back in the house and drop some of these neutral dem senators too who only vote with trump when it doesn’t matter either way.
9th circuit judge rules we must stay in a war with the toweliban.
It's not really a 'peace' deal but very good for the US.
Trump's America First doctrine calls to put the American interests first and this is exactly what he is doing in this case.
What is the consensus on this? Will this deal last?
It's a deal with Muslims. Islam allows them to lie and break promises. It won't last, but it's the only way to bring our troops home. Even with an agreement, the leftards are saying "Trump was defeated," imagine if he just brought back the troops without an agreement.
Of course, they"d be crying while worshipping Obama, if he had made this deal to end the war and bring our troops back, but that's just the usual leftard hypocrisy for you.
Of course it will not last but as long that they don't target the US or its citizens it's a good deal for us. Afghans oppressing Afghans is their internal matter.
I wonder how many goats were in the deal.
Can’t wait to hear Bernie talk about how we need to be there so drug companies can buy him another Summer Camp.
Great first step.
What point at all does that source-less side note serve to the news of the signing? Fuck Fox.
That pompeo wasn't about it...
It's about fucking time.
If Obama has pulled off a deal like this they'd be talking Nobel Prize. Trump gets naysayers in the media saying this isn't a real peace.
We have the best deals. Ask anyone.