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Sure, drumpfie .. just worry about that covfefe, and ignore the two scoops of ice cream that Trump had one day when everyone else had only one scoop ... pffft.
And don't get me started on the extra large salt and pepa shakers ...
Joking aside, Trump calling Jay Inslee a "snake," triggered the left out of their skulls. Watching the meltdown was way better than a Superbowl halftime.
The irritating thing about the covfefe thing is that it's a real Arabic phrase that means "Stand strong." Google deliberately scrubbed that from the internet just to make Trump look stupid.
You can thank the CDC for botching the initial test kits, I believe there is an ongoing investigation into that. Also there was a regulation in place that restricted production of test kits to only the FDA (put in place by the Obama admin in 2014). Trump has since removed this restriction and now kits are being mass produced.
4 days ago President Trump is blaming former President Barack Obama for a slow start to COVID-19 coronavirustesting — and hailing himself for casting aside an "Obamarule" to speed testing for the virus.
Here is a great quote from the bottom of the article. I love that glorious bastard.
"Trump joked about the public health panic Wednesday, saying at the same meeting, “I haven’t touched my face in weeks — I miss it.”"
It isn't a shortage of kits. its the fact that you have to send the kits to CDC, and CDC is telling you who to test (people in ICU that you already know have it). CDC wants to play gatekeeper because that is what bureaucracy is all about. Same delusional behavior as libs that try to make everything about politics, CDC wants to make everything about their bureaucracy, doesn't matter if it is a matter of lives and deaths, they don't care.
Apparently state labs are now given the ability to do testing, but yeah it was pathetic that they had to send tests to the CDC. I had a coworker that went to the hospital who had all the symptoms except fever, but they wouldn't test her b/c it cost too much. I guess only those who had been traveling to "hot spots" warranted the test.
UW developed a test independent of CDC (because they were not delivering promised tests), CDC shut it down. If you are truly trying to stop the spread you want to identify as many infected as possible, especially those that do not require hospitalization. CDC is only testing people already in hospital.
The ridiculous thing is that the test itself costs about five bucks to manufacture. Then you’ve got some lab tech’s time, which costs maybe ten or twenty bucks.
Good. As of now there are a limited number of test kits, and as it turns out no such thing as a money fairy. Your friend may end up having the disease, but as of now, the odds are pretty low. It's good to know the doctors and nurses at your friends hospital aren't wasting money and the limited test kits on a hypochondriac.
So why would you refuse to test someone with symptoms that is still in public, and only test those on ventilators in the intensive care unit ? The CDC logic would be "well we want to rule out bubonic plague" or some such nonsense. The doctors are 99% sure the person in intensive care has it, and are 95% sure the person they are being forced to release back into the public has it. Who would you test ?
Because we already have 20,000 deaths this season from the regular flu.....
That would equate to at least 2,000,000 additional test kits....
The background false positives from 2,000,000 test kits would swamp the real corona figures we now have....
Probably at least 20,000 false positives....
The economic consequences and needless emotional & economic pain to 20,000 families would be enormous.....
Not to mention draining special antiviral supplies giving to those who do not really need them.....
Depends on how many tests i have, and whether there is reason to believe the otherwise healthy person, with no history of exposure, is a likely candidate. Your own numbers answer your question. In a low availability situation, you test the more likely case, and tell the other one to stay home for a few days, and call if the conditions worsen, -OR- if a vector to her "exposure" is discovered.
As it turns out, i trust the doctors and nurses to make the best decisions on what to do with their limited resources over some hypochondriac, with no known exposure, without a defining symptom, who decides to go to a hospital over a mild flu. And you know her symptoms were mild, because she was sent packing.
I get it, she's a friend, and you are concerned for her. But, unless she's over 60, undergoing chemo, or has Aids, she's fine even IF she has covid 19, which you have yet to offer a single reason to believe is a possibility, except for going to a hospital for her flu, which is the most likely place for her to be exposed.
healthy persons are not the same as those presenting with cough, and 102 fever. These are the ones they are refusing to test. You are painting yourself into a corner like liberals with TDS. You are a victim of those that are trying to turn a global health emergency into a political football, and are in a "deny, and defend at all costs" mindset. It is not political, don't fall into that trap.
I have it on good authority that President Trump and Vice President Pence are working 16 hour days in the oval office assembling test kitsch as fast as they can.
I have it on good authority that President Trump and Vice President Pence are working 16 hour days in the oval office assembling test kitsch as fast as they can
He could come out today and declare we will do everything they want, "free" healthcare for all, completely open border while handing out citizenships as they enter, genderless bathrooms, etc. Anything, you name it. They would criticize him for it.
When we have absolute proof China developed the virus as a bioweapon, GEOTUS should tell them to shove the $1.07 trillion we owe them up their ass with a chopstick.
Even without proof, every American manufacturer making product in China should be making immediate plans to transfer all production to US factories. Imagine being held hostage to a country with zero transparency and the ability to keep your entire corporate workforce at home with zero input/control by the parent company?
This entire virus event should be a yuuuuge wake-up call to American manufacturers. And Trump should put it on blast.
I agree with a reinvestment in the trades as far as education. But unless we get to deporting the illegals and holding their employers to account for tax fraud, then there will be no effective change. The majority of americans take the "good enough" approach when spending their money. Its how southwest airlines, Wal-Mart,, McDonald's, etc stay in business. There are better alternatives to each, but they're "good enough" and cheaper than the competition. The same thing will occur in the labor market. Jose illegal doesn't need to be as good as Joe Legal, he just has to be "good enough" and cheaper.
Hey Europe how's that open borders strategy looking for you now?
Between Greece going nuts trying to keep out Erdogan's hordes, Italy being ravaged by the virus and the EU elite struggling to figure out how to manage their finances post-Brexit, it's not impossible that the whole corrupt institution could come crashing down in flames.
Spent a lot of time following Corona. Here's what finally got me seeing reason:
All the lethality numbers coming out are based on people who are suffering enough to go to hospitals. Nobody knows how many people are riding it out at home like any other illness.
Second point: no children are dying from this. I've got a buddy who works on testing viruses. He was calm when I was spooked, and his words were: "Watch the lethality rate in kids" And so far that number is zero.
Friend of a friend runs a school in WuHan, the guy living in WuHan said it was not a big deal. I am kind of a plague hobbyist and have been suspicious from the beginning. It iwll kill people, but it is not the end of the world folks. It may be worse than your average flu. We don't even know that much yet. The media hype has been making me suspicious as well.
the virus itself is not whats the most damaging part. the societal effects are staggering. the public panic is driving the market into a deep dive and its going to continue.
The market has been overhyped and in bubble territory for a long time. Any exogenous shock was going to tank it, this time it happens to be a virus. This is normal to market cycles and is not the end of the world. Similarly housing prices go through cycles and we are due for another drop.
I wouldn’t put it past Chyna to release the virus to cull the herd, have a reason to arrest dissenters, and crash globals economy. Nothing is coming out of some of the biggest cities in the world. On an election year.
My wife and I both believe we have it. We are in WA, healthy, 30 year old adults, diagnosed with bronchitis with no history of having such since we were kids.
That's the same story for a quarter of the people we know. None of us are allowed to be tested.
Hope you have some petroleum jelly and honey cough drops. The jelly a little at a time if your nose is sore from tissues (and dipped out by a clean spoon each time). The honey cough drops and honey in general if you are not allergic are a God send if you do get a sore throat.
If none of the above serves, then prayers for your getting over it very quickly.
I had about 4 days of a 99.6 fever with deep congested cough and body aches. Over the weekend, I had standard cold symptoms which were much more miserable. Hopefully we recover soon! =)
I'm not positive, but I think it's because there are certain guidelines you have to meet first. Those include having traveled to one of the "hot spots" or maybe having been in close contact with someone that traveled. Plus there's the cost and the fact that it did have to be shipped to the CDC to test for it. That's changing in the next few days though.
This is correct. More test are being made available now that the Obama-era FDA regulations are being rolled back. So expect a spike in confirmed cases. But that is mostly due to more testing.
I've heard they will only test people with certain symptoms too, so were not wasting testing on everyone in America that comes down with a cough, or a sore throat.
This exactly. The first confirmed case at my work paid for testing in a private, closed study. That's the only reason they found out. Our symptoms are/were identical, and they include a sore throat and runny nose that are said not to be on the symptoms list.
I believe WA only has the capacity to test something like 150 people a day? It's absurdly low.
Hoping Pence's care package of test units arrives sooner than later.
No test is completely free from false positives. If you had the money to test everyone without criteria, the total number of false positives would create horrible emotional & economic results....not to mention depleting the special antivirals on people who do not really need them.
I read that one of the recent cruise ship passengers that passed at 70 years old got the virus in Cali before he left for the cruise, or so they're speculating.
IMO, it's been circulating for quite a bit longer than people want to believe. If the incubation period is at least three or four days (some speculate longer), there IS NO WAY the virus failed to travel with hosts on airplanes and various forms of transit for a full work week before anyone even knew it was an issue let alone started shutting borders down.
Interesting the media isn't after a cure. Only test kits.
I guess if there's a cure then we can say trump cured the common cold!
Test kits spread their fear. It's only a cold, folks.
There are supposedly two strains. The first is super-aggressive and if you get it, it lands your ass in the hospital. Good news is, it's less common because those that did get it were more likely to be quarantined relatively quickly. The second strain I'd argue can be compared to the cold and I believe this is the one that is currently spreading (and has been) like wild fire. I think South Korea has the most accurate numbers because they made testing so convenient.
the media is also taking every opportunity to sensationalize and make Corona out to be the next Black Plague. making everyone freak out and clean out the tissues, sanitizers and hand soap at the stores
The thinking here is that household products are either produced in China or rely on china for some component or step in the process. But with food the risk of a shortage involves who shows up for work. I don't see a lot of people refusing to make deliveries in the near future, or not showing up for work at the stores they themselves need for food and supplies.
This behavior pisses me right the fuck off. People panic buying cleaning supplies like this puts a strain on folks who actually need it. I'm about to go through chemo and it's so difficult to find stuff like sanitizer and Clorox wipes to sanitize my home.
I went to a local store yesterday, and there were plenty of tissues available. However, the toilet paper was all gone. Glad I didn't need any right now.
I get the feeling the plan was just to delay it, and give us time to prep and work on treatments. Seems like young people are spreading it because they usually don't have bad symptoms, and it mainly affects older people.
That is exactly what I have been reading. With proper medical care the fatality rate is low so the idea is to not overwhelm the medical system with everyone getting it at once. I believe the Chinese had low immunity and poor sanitation so they had far higher death rates than we will have. We see the same in Iran. South Korea has low death rates.
Yes. Since the virus will die out as Spring approaches, the ability to delay even a few days dramatically decreases the total number of cases for the season. Trump’s simple, but early, actions probably reduced the total number by a factor of ten or even a hundred, or more.
We are seeing the virus as it was 2 weeks ago. In 2 weeks, the number of cases reflect how many people are infected but asymptotic right now. We should be using measures with that assumption, but we are moving too slow, and the quarantines are too late to be effective.
Maybe a better plan is preemptive quarantines using deep learning algorithm. CDC is way behind this virus.
That’s because we just got an influx of 1,000,000 test kits with another 4,000,000 on the way. Now we can do mass testing. Honestly it’s an amazing thing that with increased testing we are only up 25%. Many conspiracy theorists have basically been saying we’d be at millions by now...
HAHAHAHAHA!! Austin TX has fallen for it hook line and sinker-cancelled SXSW because of the fake "virus"!! Estimated $350 mil loss for the city!! Reality-NO LOSS AT ALL!! THOUSANDS OF BLACK CLAD LIBTARDS WON'T BE INVADING THE CITY THIS YEAR!!! HAHAHAHAHA!! I LOVE WINNING!!! MAGA!!!
Cancelling this was beautiful for the city. They couldn't hide their homeless problem any longer so they cancelled it all right--but for different reasons than publicized.
Who knows, but closing borders will have a huge economic impact. I'm sure they are weighing the costs, human life/health and human financial/economic well being. Trump rightfully points to the stock market as an indicator of success and full stop closing the border of the United States would cause lots of speculation and market instability/fluctuation.
The only problem I see with testing is what does it matter. This isn’t Chna. We can’t just close down cities and force people to stay home. We can’t close down global trade without crashing the markets and people losing their salaries and healthcare insurance. The best we can do is put a $100,000 reward for every employee of the company who gets us the vaccine first. And having modular hospitals ICU ready to set up.
There are many similar accounts like hers that state “eh, it wasn’t that bad, I’ve had worse.” If this was really more than a new flu, people with confirmed a diagnosis wouldn’t be saying that. It all reminds me of the Y2K scare.
Sorry to be a spoiler, but it wasn't enough. The CDC did NOT have reliable test kits and failed to move in a timely manner. It's here, and it's walking around. An urban farming conference my husband attended last week had one speaker cancelled because he's quarantined. That is the last public event we are attending.
People are STILL flying in to JFK from Italy, no screening done / health questions asked. When POTUS gave his first briefing saying he closed down travel paths with China, there were about 46 cases. The same data source now says there are 10X that many in the US.
Dr. Fauci basically said in an interview the CDC screwed up with the test kits. He was too polite and too kind to use those words but that's basically what he said.
To contain it sufficiently, at least SLOW IT DOWN so the medical system can still function, R-naught has to drop below 1. Do you know what extreme measures China has resorted to in order to achieve that?
The confidence of the administration is the one thing that helps to keep me optimistic because this virus looks like a very scary monster. I know Trump and Pence have access to better intel than I, and do not believe that either of them would lie to the public, so I am hopeful. If however it turns out that the "inter-agency consensus" has been lying to them (which has happened before), then those un-elected bureaucrats would deserve an immediate application of the harshest possible penalty, the kind of things I won't say on the internet.
Democrats have nothing to offer so they harp on him about this. If more countries had blocked travel to and from China when the US did, there would be less cases. Also, the state department was dumb to fly back the infected with un infected, but I hear that was an Obama holdover who did it without asking GEOTUS.
Second or third the observation that the Obama staffed and regulated CDC was not ready. We needed test kits right now, Germany was able to ship them, CDC botched theirs, and FDA wouldn’t approve privately developed kits.
When the weather starts warming which it is this week this will shortly be a thing of the past. In Tx we have 2 days this week in the 80's. The media will once again be shown to be the losers that they are. Until then Trump has handled this flawlessly. Sad that the media has resorted to asking questions that didn't even pertain when he was elected. Specifically, asking why he didnt roll back regulations pertaining to pandemic vaccine fast track through the fda. What a bunch of numb skulls trying to gain traction in a swamp.
When we did move early and closed the borders the Libtards complained of us being racist. Now they are crying for more racism (or what they claim it is, Libtards definition of racism isn't exactly real racism)!
What we do know is that the Leftist Fake News and Leftist Politicos would love for the CoronaVirus to take millions of lives in America just to make something political of it that will benefit them. These people are no doubt a Devil Cult.
Breitbart reported on Friday that the CDC had updated the death toll from seasonal flu to 20,000. Up from 18,000 the week before. 2,000 dead in a week from the flu, 19 total deaths from coronavirus, and which one is everybody panicking about? The one they can use for political gain of course.
Okay so some of you will disagree with this, but I feel this is a plausible scenario. thoughts & feedback greatly appreciated
Back in January Gov already knew it would be impossible to contain this virus and spread.
Gov may also have known it would have an exponentially higher case fatality rate (CFR).
Gov made some quick moves to reduce inbound via travel restrictions (China, Italy etc)
Gov / CDC is currently preventing testing at scale ( ON PURPOSE).
The reason being all it will do is :
Incite panic,
Hurt economy,
Cause rash behavior
Expedite too many people not being able to work etc.
This would then cause peoples funds to dry up faster, you would have:
Increased instances of crime
Other negative reactionary behavior.
Fast breakdowns of normally functioning society in many areas.
Essentially in a situation where from the gate Gov & POTUS knew there was no way to stop the spread, the most pragmatic thing would be to hyper rationally assess the situation and determine a course of action that would yield the highest probability of the best outcomes / minimize the worst outcomes scenarios
The net outcome of trying to shut everything down or test millions of people for the country would perhaps be quantifiable as much worse than maintaining public calm & using this time to prepare for action, gather supplies, work on treatment etc.
I have family who work in medical and government who are both concerned that at current exponential spread what you would have is an overload of our nations medical system / capacity. We sit at around 1.2 m beds across all facilities. ob
TLDR;
I don't believe this is a slightly stronger flu. I do feel that this is a serious situation. It is not world ending by any means but I do feel based on what I am seeing and my logical deduction that this will kill many globally and that it will cause some real trouble here.
I feel the purposeful delays in testing is prevent the above issues I mentioned and maintain a highly functioning society while preparing for the most pragmatic response.
The scale of panic in the US is small. It's more concern for the average person.
If they issued tests, and the numbers came back with thousands or tens of thousands infected each week a lot more people would freak out,. currently the majority of the population just thinks of it as worse than the flu.
But if all of a sudden we get 50,000+ infections, companies shut down, schools towns etc. Which would basically lead to a snowball effect in my opinion
My theory is the coronavirus isn’t ready. The bioweapon isn’t ready, it was still in testing phase, but globalists are really desperate and they release it way too early. So, it is really weak. That’s why it is trivial compared to serious epidemic in the history such as Black Death and Spanish Flu.
You know this got's me thinking... If we had open borders like crooked Hillary wanted. We'd in far worse shape then we are now and I'm talking massive out break.
Trump and Pence--absolutely the best people to have in charge during a crisis. Best President--and vice president--of my lifetime.
Nonsense. 0bama's presidency was scandal free.
And Obama is a competent golfer.
And he does too know that Hawaii is not in Asia.
And just because he said his birthday is in July doesn't mean there's any baggery afoot.
But Trump tweeted "covfefe,"--somebody should do an investigation.
Sure, drumpfie .. just worry about that covfefe, and ignore the two scoops of ice cream that Trump had one day when everyone else had only one scoop ... pffft.
And don't get me started on the extra large salt and pepa shakers ...
Joking aside, Trump calling Jay Inslee a "snake," triggered the left out of their skulls. Watching the meltdown was way better than a Superbowl halftime.
It was a perfect triggering ... lefty guvner of a lefty state that Trump will never win anyway. Spot on truth .. and Beautiful!
👍👍👌
Take a look at Vice President Pence's expression. Seems to me to be thinking "what a perfect representative of his party's mascot."
All 57 states loved him...
They didn't even hold his "Islamic faith," against him.
Or "Michael", as he once referred to his spouse.
If if if okie doke
Multiple times he's done that, even. Michelle is Michael and has a dong.
59!
Don't forget AK and HI!
The irritating thing about the covfefe thing is that it's a real Arabic phrase that means "Stand strong." Google deliberately scrubbed that from the internet just to make Trump look stupid.
Do you have a source for that? Priceless if so (Arabic wasn't yet taught in school way back in the day).
That is a fact. But Trump haters were never going to understand it and Trump supporters were never going to misunderstand it. 😁
And big Mike totally didn't have a penis
It's got a different mouth-feel, it's fine
Except for the gun thing and the dead american thing and probably some other shit, no biggie
0 did O good for this country.
If we continue to repeat that bullshit talking point, people will continue to believe it.
I do have a problem with the fact that we still do not have very many test kits.
You can thank the CDC for botching the initial test kits, I believe there is an ongoing investigation into that. Also there was a regulation in place that restricted production of test kits to only the FDA (put in place by the Obama admin in 2014). Trump has since removed this restriction and now kits are being mass produced.
Botched, or did someone discover some stunt like test kits that give false positives were afoot?
This sheds some light on the issue
Trump blames 'Obama rule' for slow coronavirus response in US
https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/trump-blames-obama-rule-for-slow-coronavirus-response-in-us/
4 days ago President Trump is blaming former President Barack Obama for a slow start to COVID-19 coronavirustesting — and hailing himself for casting aside an "Obamarule" to speed testing for the virus.
Here is a great quote from the bottom of the article. I love that glorious bastard. "Trump joked about the public health panic Wednesday, saying at the same meeting, “I haven’t touched my face in weeks — I miss it.”"
Hilarious! Trump is so funny--maybe that's the talent that gets him past the unfairness of the media, etc.
It isn't a shortage of kits. its the fact that you have to send the kits to CDC, and CDC is telling you who to test (people in ICU that you already know have it). CDC wants to play gatekeeper because that is what bureaucracy is all about. Same delusional behavior as libs that try to make everything about politics, CDC wants to make everything about their bureaucracy, doesn't matter if it is a matter of lives and deaths, they don't care.
Apparently state labs are now given the ability to do testing, but yeah it was pathetic that they had to send tests to the CDC. I had a coworker that went to the hospital who had all the symptoms except fever, but they wouldn't test her b/c it cost too much. I guess only those who had been traveling to "hot spots" warranted the test.
UW developed a test independent of CDC (because they were not delivering promised tests), CDC shut it down. If you are truly trying to stop the spread you want to identify as many infected as possible, especially those that do not require hospitalization. CDC is only testing people already in hospital.
The ridiculous thing is that the test itself costs about five bucks to manufacture. Then you’ve got some lab tech’s time, which costs maybe ten or twenty bucks.
But it gets billed at $3000 because swamp.
To make sure everyone would report...avoid a China under reporting situation.
Good. As of now there are a limited number of test kits, and as it turns out no such thing as a money fairy. Your friend may end up having the disease, but as of now, the odds are pretty low. It's good to know the doctors and nurses at your friends hospital aren't wasting money and the limited test kits on a hypochondriac.
So why would you refuse to test someone with symptoms that is still in public, and only test those on ventilators in the intensive care unit ? The CDC logic would be "well we want to rule out bubonic plague" or some such nonsense. The doctors are 99% sure the person in intensive care has it, and are 95% sure the person they are being forced to release back into the public has it. Who would you test ?
Because we already have 20,000 deaths this season from the regular flu..... That would equate to at least 2,000,000 additional test kits.... The background false positives from 2,000,000 test kits would swamp the real corona figures we now have.... Probably at least 20,000 false positives.... The economic consequences and needless emotional & economic pain to 20,000 families would be enormous..... Not to mention draining special antiviral supplies giving to those who do not really need them.....
Depends on how many tests i have, and whether there is reason to believe the otherwise healthy person, with no history of exposure, is a likely candidate. Your own numbers answer your question. In a low availability situation, you test the more likely case, and tell the other one to stay home for a few days, and call if the conditions worsen, -OR- if a vector to her "exposure" is discovered.
As it turns out, i trust the doctors and nurses to make the best decisions on what to do with their limited resources over some hypochondriac, with no known exposure, without a defining symptom, who decides to go to a hospital over a mild flu. And you know her symptoms were mild, because she was sent packing.
I get it, she's a friend, and you are concerned for her. But, unless she's over 60, undergoing chemo, or has Aids, she's fine even IF she has covid 19, which you have yet to offer a single reason to believe is a possibility, except for going to a hospital for her flu, which is the most likely place for her to be exposed.
healthy persons are not the same as those presenting with cough, and 102 fever. These are the ones they are refusing to test. You are painting yourself into a corner like liberals with TDS. You are a victim of those that are trying to turn a global health emergency into a political football, and are in a "deny, and defend at all costs" mindset. It is not political, don't fall into that trap.
I have it on good authority that President Trump and Vice President Pence are working 16 hour days in the oval office assembling test kitsch as fast as they can.
So, schlocky, campy art that can detect viruses?
Quarantine yourself.
For real. I think even people who hate them have a primal voice in their head that knows we’re better off under them than anyone else.
Agree!
Imagine Biden, Bernie, Hillary handling this .....
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Imagine Hillary handling an attack on the embassy at Benghazi...
It's getting to be so that the media doesn't want to say anything nice about President Trump.
getting?
Where you been, bro? The media hasn't said one nice thing in 4 years
Starting to think the media is biased and coordinates with the DNC
Found the cOnSpIrAcY nUt!
He could come out today and declare we will do everything they want, "free" healthcare for all, completely open border while handing out citizenships as they enter, genderless bathrooms, etc. Anything, you name it. They would criticize him for it.
They just want their power and control.
They would start crying "How are you going to pay for all of that?"
I don’t want to put too fine a point on it, but these media guys are a bunch of jerks!
You sound like an old lump of coal!
When we have absolute proof China developed the virus as a bioweapon, GEOTUS should tell them to shove the $1.07 trillion we owe them up their ass with a chopstick.
Even without proof, every American manufacturer making product in China should be making immediate plans to transfer all production to US factories. Imagine being held hostage to a country with zero transparency and the ability to keep your entire corporate workforce at home with zero input/control by the parent company?
This entire virus event should be a yuuuuge wake-up call to American manufacturers. And Trump should put it on blast.
Bring it back!
I agree with a reinvestment in the trades as far as education. But unless we get to deporting the illegals and holding their employers to account for tax fraud, then there will be no effective change. The majority of americans take the "good enough" approach when spending their money. Its how southwest airlines, Wal-Mart,, McDonald's, etc stay in business. There are better alternatives to each, but they're "good enough" and cheaper than the competition. The same thing will occur in the labor market. Jose illegal doesn't need to be as good as Joe Legal, he just has to be "good enough" and cheaper.
Southwest Airlines is far better than the rest of the competition.
As far as the great southern tier of states is concerned, there is NO TRADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN HVAC.
Prove me wrong.
They manufacture most of our antibiotics and can hold them hostage. This is the huge wake up call to bring manufacturing home.
☝️☝️☝️ Yes.
Hear, hear!
Hey Europe how's that open borders strategy looking for you now?
Between Greece going nuts trying to keep out Erdogan's hordes, Italy being ravaged by the virus and the EU elite struggling to figure out how to manage their finances post-Brexit, it's not impossible that the whole corrupt institution could come crashing down in flames.
Europe: This is fine.
👍👍
Spent a lot of time following Corona. Here's what finally got me seeing reason:
All the lethality numbers coming out are based on people who are suffering enough to go to hospitals. Nobody knows how many people are riding it out at home like any other illness.
Second point: no children are dying from this. I've got a buddy who works on testing viruses. He was calm when I was spooked, and his words were: "Watch the lethality rate in kids" And so far that number is zero.
Friend of a friend runs a school in WuHan, the guy living in WuHan said it was not a big deal. I am kind of a plague hobbyist and have been suspicious from the beginning. It iwll kill people, but it is not the end of the world folks. It may be worse than your average flu. We don't even know that much yet. The media hype has been making me suspicious as well.
This is sure going to look strange if by mid April not much has happened with this virus.
By election time, everyone will have forgotten.
the virus itself is not whats the most damaging part. the societal effects are staggering. the public panic is driving the market into a deep dive and its going to continue.
The market has been overhyped and in bubble territory for a long time. Any exogenous shock was going to tank it, this time it happens to be a virus. This is normal to market cycles and is not the end of the world. Similarly housing prices go through cycles and we are due for another drop.
I wouldn’t put it past Chyna to release the virus to cull the herd, have a reason to arrest dissenters, and crash globals economy. Nothing is coming out of some of the biggest cities in the world. On an election year.
My wife and I both believe we have it. We are in WA, healthy, 30 year old adults, diagnosed with bronchitis with no history of having such since we were kids.
That's the same story for a quarter of the people we know. None of us are allowed to be tested.
Hope you have some petroleum jelly and honey cough drops. The jelly a little at a time if your nose is sore from tissues (and dipped out by a clean spoon each time). The honey cough drops and honey in general if you are not allergic are a God send if you do get a sore throat.
If none of the above serves, then prayers for your getting over it very quickly.
Thank you. ^_^
I had about 4 days of a 99.6 fever with deep congested cough and body aches. Over the weekend, I had standard cold symptoms which were much more miserable. Hopefully we recover soon! =)
Four days of misery. Hopefully you are feeling much much better now. Prayers for you to feel better FASTER! And feel GREATER! And look BETTER!
Decaf green tea (with or without a little Maker's Mark or Southern Comfort as you wish).
Why did they say they wont test you?
I'm not positive, but I think it's because there are certain guidelines you have to meet first. Those include having traveled to one of the "hot spots" or maybe having been in close contact with someone that traveled. Plus there's the cost and the fact that it did have to be shipped to the CDC to test for it. That's changing in the next few days though.
This is correct. More test are being made available now that the Obama-era FDA regulations are being rolled back. So expect a spike in confirmed cases. But that is mostly due to more testing.
Hang in there pede.
I've heard they will only test people with certain symptoms too, so were not wasting testing on everyone in America that comes down with a cough, or a sore throat.
This exactly. The first confirmed case at my work paid for testing in a private, closed study. That's the only reason they found out. Our symptoms are/were identical, and they include a sore throat and runny nose that are said not to be on the symptoms list.
I believe WA only has the capacity to test something like 150 people a day? It's absurdly low.
Hoping Pence's care package of test units arrives sooner than later.
No test is completely free from false positives. If you had the money to test everyone without criteria, the total number of false positives would create horrible emotional & economic results....not to mention depleting the special antivirals on people who do not really need them.
I read that one of the recent cruise ship passengers that passed at 70 years old got the virus in Cali before he left for the cruise, or so they're speculating.
IMO, it's been circulating for quite a bit longer than people want to believe. If the incubation period is at least three or four days (some speculate longer), there IS NO WAY the virus failed to travel with hosts on airplanes and various forms of transit for a full work week before anyone even knew it was an issue let alone started shutting borders down.
Interesting the media isn't after a cure. Only test kits. I guess if there's a cure then we can say trump cured the common cold! Test kits spread their fear. It's only a cold, folks.
There are supposedly two strains. The first is super-aggressive and if you get it, it lands your ass in the hospital. Good news is, it's less common because those that did get it were more likely to be quarantined relatively quickly. The second strain I'd argue can be compared to the cold and I believe this is the one that is currently spreading (and has been) like wild fire. I think South Korea has the most accurate numbers because they made testing so convenient.
We need to know what the false positive rate is on these test kits.
the media is also taking every opportunity to sensationalize and make Corona out to be the next Black Plague. making everyone freak out and clean out the tissues, sanitizers and hand soap at the stores
If they were truly prepping they would be buying food. Are they planning to eat the sanitizer and TP?
The thinking here is that household products are either produced in China or rely on china for some component or step in the process. But with food the risk of a shortage involves who shows up for work. I don't see a lot of people refusing to make deliveries in the near future, or not showing up for work at the stores they themselves need for food and supplies.
This behavior pisses me right the fuck off. People panic buying cleaning supplies like this puts a strain on folks who actually need it. I'm about to go through chemo and it's so difficult to find stuff like sanitizer and Clorox wipes to sanitize my home.
Put a shout out on Facebook or something. There are good, Christian people out there who would help you.
I wonder if the parent companies are short supplying the stores to give the illusion of everyone panicking. Just a thought.
This and even shittier things have happened before. Wouldn't surprise me.
I went to a local store yesterday, and there were plenty of tissues available. However, the toilet paper was all gone. Glad I didn't need any right now.
I don't know, it seems the virus is spreading rather quickly inside the US.
It's going to spread. Just a fact.
Yes....and it’s going to die out as Spring approaches.
I get the feeling the plan was just to delay it, and give us time to prep and work on treatments. Seems like young people are spreading it because they usually don't have bad symptoms, and it mainly affects older people.
That is exactly what I have been reading. With proper medical care the fatality rate is low so the idea is to not overwhelm the medical system with everyone getting it at once. I believe the Chinese had low immunity and poor sanitation so they had far higher death rates than we will have. We see the same in Iran. South Korea has low death rates.
Exactly
Yes. Since the virus will die out as Spring approaches, the ability to delay even a few days dramatically decreases the total number of cases for the season. Trump’s simple, but early, actions probably reduced the total number by a factor of ten or even a hundred, or more.
We are seeing the virus as it was 2 weeks ago. In 2 weeks, the number of cases reflect how many people are infected but asymptotic right now. We should be using measures with that assumption, but we are moving too slow, and the quarantines are too late to be effective.
Maybe a better plan is preemptive quarantines using deep learning algorithm. CDC is way behind this virus.
I'm in eastern WA and yeah, something similar has been going around here for at least a month now.
There is a reason why tests aren't available. Due to Obama-era FDA regulations. This is changing.
Is this sarcasm or are you a cuck?
Go look up Washington state...
OK Doomer. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Nursing homes are an anomaly.
USA cases up by 25% in a day.
It's spreading.
That’s because we just got an influx of 1,000,000 test kits with another 4,000,000 on the way. Now we can do mass testing. Honestly it’s an amazing thing that with increased testing we are only up 25%. Many conspiracy theorists have basically been saying we’d be at millions by now...
Yep, most getting tested for it are negative. In South Korea many asymptomatic people tested positive. We will survive this.
As more gets tested, the rates will go up. They are plenty of people with mild cases that have not been tested.
Of course the stats are going to go up as more get tested.
Cases will go up and morbidity rates will go down as we have a wider data sample.
See South Korea as an example.
This is correct. However as percentages go, the more that have it, the more that will die. The only question is who and how many
That is how everything contagious and possibly fatal works.
We know many/most of then so far seem to be older and/or with serious existing conditions.
Correct. Same as regular flu. There is no need for doom mongering.
Within facilities where elderly people in poor health live. Think.
Young people have it. Think. Go look it up.
They are the least likely to contract it. Look it up.
Up by 25% of what? From 200 to 200 something?
HAHAHAHAHA!! Austin TX has fallen for it hook line and sinker-cancelled SXSW because of the fake "virus"!! Estimated $350 mil loss for the city!! Reality-NO LOSS AT ALL!! THOUSANDS OF BLACK CLAD LIBTARDS WON'T BE INVADING THE CITY THIS YEAR!!! HAHAHAHAHA!! I LOVE WINNING!!! MAGA!!!
Yeah, I'm pretty happy about this.
It only happened because of liability and so many conference attendees on work time.
Cancelling this was beautiful for the city. They couldn't hide their homeless problem any longer so they cancelled it all right--but for different reasons than publicized.
Wuhan virus targets NPCs.
What's coming?
The Sickening!!!!! It's coming!!!!!!!
😅😂🤣👌
The borders are absolutely not closed.
Who knows, but closing borders will have a huge economic impact. I'm sure they are weighing the costs, human life/health and human financial/economic well being. Trump rightfully points to the stock market as an indicator of success and full stop closing the border of the United States would cause lots of speculation and market instability/fluctuation.
I'm sure Trump knows what he is doing and is thinking of all the impacts
The only problem I see with testing is what does it matter. This isn’t Chna. We can’t just close down cities and force people to stay home. We can’t close down global trade without crashing the markets and people losing their salaries and healthcare insurance. The best we can do is put a $100,000 reward for every employee of the company who gets us the vaccine first. And having modular hospitals ICU ready to set up.
It might be helpful to emphasize some of the people who have tested positive for the virus but experienced minimal illness to help quell the hysteria. I saw this interview yesterday with a woman who had a 3-hour low grade fever and then was fine: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/former-coronavirus-patient-diamond-princess-quarantine.amp
There are many similar accounts like hers that state “eh, it wasn’t that bad, I’ve had worse.” If this was really more than a new flu, people with confirmed a diagnosis wouldn’t be saying that. It all reminds me of the Y2K scare.
Sorry to be a spoiler, but it wasn't enough. The CDC did NOT have reliable test kits and failed to move in a timely manner. It's here, and it's walking around. An urban farming conference my husband attended last week had one speaker cancelled because he's quarantined. That is the last public event we are attending.
People are STILL flying in to JFK from Italy, no screening done / health questions asked. When POTUS gave his first briefing saying he closed down travel paths with China, there were about 46 cases. The same data source now says there are 10X that many in the US.
Dr. Fauci basically said in an interview the CDC screwed up with the test kits. He was too polite and too kind to use those words but that's basically what he said.
To contain it sufficiently, at least SLOW IT DOWN so the medical system can still function, R-naught has to drop below 1. Do you know what extreme measures China has resorted to in order to achieve that?
Otherwise, this continues to grow exponentially.
Soooooooo what the hell would a test kit have done?
Those things arent going to make you not sick.
The confidence of the administration is the one thing that helps to keep me optimistic because this virus looks like a very scary monster. I know Trump and Pence have access to better intel than I, and do not believe that either of them would lie to the public, so I am hopeful. If however it turns out that the "inter-agency consensus" has been lying to them (which has happened before), then those un-elected bureaucrats would deserve an immediate application of the harshest possible penalty, the kind of things I won't say on the internet.
should've listened to the libs' plan of open the borders up and import as many infected as possible that would've been way better
Democrats have nothing to offer so they harp on him about this. If more countries had blocked travel to and from China when the US did, there would be less cases. Also, the state department was dumb to fly back the infected with un infected, but I hear that was an Obama holdover who did it without asking GEOTUS.
Someone has played pandemic and knows Madagascar's playbook.
#1 Cause for exposure to epidemic: Democrat's Open Borders!
#1 Epidemic safety measure: Trump's Border Wall!
Second or third the observation that the Obama staffed and regulated CDC was not ready. We needed test kits right now, Germany was able to ship them, CDC botched theirs, and FDA wouldn’t approve privately developed kits.
Maybe for April Fools, CNN should report on the president honestly and fairly.
China blamed USA because Pompeo actually blamed China...
Fine Tuned Plan part the first: BUILD DAT WALL
Part the second: BIG BEAUTIFUL DOOR
Part the third: YOU MUST GO BACK
When the weather starts warming which it is this week this will shortly be a thing of the past. In Tx we have 2 days this week in the 80's. The media will once again be shown to be the losers that they are. Until then Trump has handled this flawlessly. Sad that the media has resorted to asking questions that didn't even pertain when he was elected. Specifically, asking why he didnt roll back regulations pertaining to pandemic vaccine fast track through the fda. What a bunch of numb skulls trying to gain traction in a swamp.
Those of us who had experience with HIV and ebola, though, are happy.
This time, the US government is acting like it has a mission to protect Americans.
When we did move early and closed the borders the Libtards complained of us being racist. Now they are crying for more racism (or what they claim it is, Libtards definition of racism isn't exactly real racism)!
What we do know is that the Leftist Fake News and Leftist Politicos would love for the CoronaVirus to take millions of lives in America just to make something political of it that will benefit them. These people are no doubt a Devil Cult.
Breitbart reported on Friday that the CDC had updated the death toll from seasonal flu to 20,000. Up from 18,000 the week before. 2,000 dead in a week from the flu, 19 total deaths from coronavirus, and which one is everybody panicking about? The one they can use for political gain of course.
Russian election interference: put some crappy memes on Facebook
Chinese election interference: release a bioweapon
China doesn’t fuck around.
Lmao close the Mexican border and spend the 8 billion on the wall.
If the virus is to make it in huge numbers it will be once Mexico gets overrun with it.
Okay so some of you will disagree with this, but I feel this is a plausible scenario. thoughts & feedback greatly appreciated
Back in January Gov already knew it would be impossible to contain this virus and spread.
Gov may also have known it would have an exponentially higher case fatality rate (CFR).
Gov made some quick moves to reduce inbound via travel restrictions (China, Italy etc)
Gov / CDC is currently preventing testing at scale ( ON PURPOSE).
The reason being all it will do is :
Incite panic,
Hurt economy,
Cause rash behavior
Expedite too many people not being able to work etc.
This would then cause peoples funds to dry up faster, you would have:
Increased instances of crime
Other negative reactionary behavior.
Fast breakdowns of normally functioning society in many areas.
Essentially in a situation where from the gate Gov & POTUS knew there was no way to stop the spread, the most pragmatic thing would be to hyper rationally assess the situation and determine a course of action that would yield the highest probability of the best outcomes / minimize the worst outcomes scenarios
The net outcome of trying to shut everything down or test millions of people for the country would perhaps be quantifiable as much worse than maintaining public calm & using this time to prepare for action, gather supplies, work on treatment etc.
I have family who work in medical and government who are both concerned that at current exponential spread what you would have is an overload of our nations medical system / capacity. We sit at around 1.2 m beds across all facilities. ob
TLDR;
I don't believe this is a slightly stronger flu. I do feel that this is a serious situation. It is not world ending by any means but I do feel based on what I am seeing and my logical deduction that this will kill many globally and that it will cause some real trouble here.
I feel the purposeful delays in testing is prevent the above issues I mentioned and maintain a highly functioning society while preparing for the most pragmatic response.
I honestly have no idea what you even said. Some of these things even contradict others.
Which
The CDC is purposefully preventing tests to prevent what is already happening?
The scale of panic in the US is small. It's more concern for the average person.
If they issued tests, and the numbers came back with thousands or tens of thousands infected each week a lot more people would freak out,. currently the majority of the population just thinks of it as worse than the flu.
But if all of a sudden we get 50,000+ infections, companies shut down, schools towns etc. Which would basically lead to a snowball effect in my opinion
Notice how he says attack coron virus and not defend against.
He killed isis, now hes gonn kill coron virus
My theory is the coronavirus isn’t ready. The bioweapon isn’t ready, it was still in testing phase, but globalists are really desperate and they release it way too early. So, it is really weak. That’s why it is trivial compared to serious epidemic in the history such as Black Death and Spanish Flu.
Masterful job handling the situation by GEOTUS
Italy wishes they had a Pres Trump!
"bUt BeN cArSOn wOn't PrEViEw teH cRUiSe ShiP pLaN!"
Edit: I know, that's what I get for looking at Twitter.
You know this got's me thinking... If we had open borders like crooked Hillary wanted. We'd in far worse shape then we are now and I'm talking massive out break.
Thank you Mr. President and V.P. Pence!
I think we are doing very well compared to other countries (I'm looking at you Italy)...and we have a much larger population.
It's a shame really, I've spent time in Italy and it's a pretty cool country. People were nice also, at least the ones I met.