And we have a fucking vaccine for the flu how do people think that comparison is anything but terrifying? A flu that we have no vaccine against and is much more infectious that was designed by Chinese communist evil scientists by mixing it with an HIV envelope and has brought half the world to a stand still in a few months....
The flu vaccination given every year is a shot in the dark against what flu will be predominant that year. A guess. And big pharma is usually wrong about which flu will be the problem. Go home. You're drunk.
Very few people worldwide are vaccinated against the flu and it's not particularly effective. We still have several hundred thousand deaths worldwide despite the vaccine.
This virus is not bringing half the world to a standstill. It's the unreasonable PANIC over the virus that's done that. So stop adding to it.
I may be the only person here who never cared for Tucker "Make-Funny-Disbelieving-Face-And-Then-Talk-Over-The-Weakest-Possible-Opponent-He-Could-Possibly-EVER-Find-That-Represents-An-Idea-He-Wished-To-Lampoon" Carlson.
True nuff, it is a "pandemic", by definition, (flu hitting multiple countries at once), and calling it what it is isn't, or shouldn't be, that big of a deal. On the other hand, the US has about as much in common with Italy, as my foot has with a 5 pound Zeppole! The geographic space, distance between neighbors, percent of rural citizens ( why we're mocked for being cowboys and uncultured), doctors and scientists per capital and etc.
In other words, Tuck, whatta I'ma tellin' you muh dear, is that: it can't happen here!...🎶...cuz I've been checking it out. I checked it out a couple of times.
I may be the only person here who never cared for Tucker "Make-Funny-Disbelieving-Face-And-Then-Talk-Over-The-Weakest-Possible-Opponent-He-Could-Possibly-EVER-Find-That-Represents-An-Idea-He-Wished-To-Lampoon" Carlson.
You are not the only person. And Tucker flat-out LIES. His hit piece on Paul Singer a few weeks back was literally all lies. His central claim, that the the evil, heartless Singer permanently destroyed a lovely rural town by pushing for Cabela's to be sold to Bass Pro Shops, was so utterly false that the town's mayor and the state senator whose district includes the town, both went to the media to deny that the town had any significant problems resulting from Cabela's closure, and cited verifiable facts and figures to back what they were saying.
I live in Sidney NE. (Pedes are everywhere!)
I'm a reporter for the local paper here. Sure, the story rang the hype bells (ratings, you know) but a lot of it was true. The economic impact of the Cabela's sale has been devastating. The mayor and other officials (yes, I know them) are trying to minimize the damage in their public statements. Will the town recover? Yes. But very slowly, and probably never to the same level as before.
The problem is that it was a huge amount of high-paying jobs that were lost. Way higher than the average salaries of other jobs. Property values plummeted. Mass amounts of people lost their homes or had to move out.
There has been some recovery, but not much. Some new jobs...but only like a dozen at a time. And they're mostly $12 an hour type jobs. The only people now with good incomes are government workers/ teachers/cops...and when that stops, it will be circle the drain time here.
The Cablela's Corporate Office building sits on the outskirts of the town overlooking Route 80 West...like a giant tombstone.
For years now, they've been trying to lease the building for $1 a year to a "qualified company"....no takers.
The question remains, the economic impact of the Bass Pro/Cabela's merger was obviously going to tank the town--so why was it approved? I'm originally from Jersey--where you can't even build a footpath over a creek without a million dollar "environmental study". And if the left-handed tadpole is threatened, well no footpath for you!
Sen. Sasse did and has done nothing. People are furious with him out here.
Adrian Smith (congress)--also nothing. Lots of excuses, though.
Being relatively new to the area (about 3 years) I'll tell you the real problem--people here have NO IDEA how to attract major companies to relocate here.
They only had Cabela's because it was started in a garage right outside of Sidney in the early 60's and grew.
But much of what the Tucker report said was absolutely accurate.
There was a lot of false information in Tucker's story beyond the condition of the town of Sidney, which was wildly exaggerated (my quick check of the real estate listings confirmed what the mayor and state senator said). Most of what Tucker said about Singer's involvement was also false, including the claim that Singer "pocketed $90 million". Singer's company is the manager of the funds, and owns only a tiny percentage of them -- most of the profits went to the funds' investors, which include some wealthy individuals, but also a lot of institutional investors like pension funds. And his claim that Singer's business model consists largely of destroying small towns in rural American was also false -- this type of transaction, which ends up causing the closure of a small town's major business, is a tiny part of the Elliott funds' investment activities.
Tucker also made no mention whatsoever of the town's responsibility. As you noted, the people who live there seem to have no idea how to attract major companies to open facilities there. I live in a small midwestern town that does know how to do this, because they've been making a well-organized effort since the 1970s. And I'm pretty sure a big part of the reason the people of Sidney have no idea how, is that they never bothered seriously trying until after the closure of Cabela's was announced. In other words, they just assumed that this company, which was built from scratch by a local family, would provide them with high-paying jobs forever.
Tucker took the concept much further, suggesting that there should be a law to stop companies from selling themselves if it will put people out of work. This is called socialism and it's a horrible thing that destroys freedom first, and then destroys economies, putting a lot more people out of work and making them dependent on an increasingly authoritarian government. Tucker's plan would also mean that any future small-town individual or family that built a very successful business through their own hard work and wise choices, would not really own the business, because they would not have the right to sell it to the highest bidder or to whomever they choose, when they are no longer able or wanting to operate the business themselves. Again, this is called socialism, and it's a horrible and destructive thing.
Tucker also framed the whole situation as a personal indictment of Paul Singer, failing to note that it was the Cabela family that made the decision to sell (Singer was never in a position to force them to sell, and could only exert influence because the sale made economic sense), and that natural changes in the business environment made it inevitable that the company would be sold and merged into a larger company. Smart investors make money by accurately predicting upcoming merger and acquisition transactions, and the financial and securities markets effects of the transactions.
There is no legal basis (nor should there be) to prevent such a transaction from happening. Businesses do not exist to provide jobs; they exist to provide profits to owners/shareholders. When socialist government policies result in businesses being kept operating solely to provide jobs, the businesses cease to become profitable. While socialist government policies may use taxpayer money to prop up such businesses in order to maintain the jobs (and thus buy votes for the socialist politicians), that doesn't change the fact that the businesses have ceased to contribute to the economy (or are contributing much less than if the capital tied up in them was deployed to other, more profitable business activities). This is how socialism destroys economies, and that leads to a lot more unemployed and falsely employed (adding nothing to the economy) people who are completely dependent on government.
If there's a legitimate target for blame in the Sidney/Cabela's matter, besides the complacent townspeople, it's the Cabela family. They were intimately familiar with their business and its long-term prospects, and also intimately familiar with the town's dangerous dependence on this one business. They were certainly aware at least a decade in advance, that their company was very unlikely to continue providing jobs in Sidney. They could have made some effort and small financial investment, to get a business development organization off the ground, so that the townspeople would have some time to get the hang of the process and at least get a couple of small new employers into the town/county, before they were confronted with an emergency situation.
Perhaps the Cabela family did try and just couldn't get the townspeople to make a serious effort. But blaming Paul Singer for Sidney's problems is simply dishonest, and frankly sounded just like a typical socialist political activist trying to drum up popular resentment against "the rich" and convince crowds of angry people that it's ethical and desirable to have government take control of private businesses "for the greater good". If that's what Tucker really believes, then he should be campaigning for Bernie Sanders.
I think he was still a bit overblown. It seems true that it will be worse than a seasonal flu, and it seems true that it is dangerous for those with pre-existing conditions and for the elderly, but for normal healthy adults, it's not any worse than a normal old or flu, and thankfully, according to the Surgeon General, for kids and young adults it is LESS dangerous than the flu. I think that there may be economic disruption for a while, but we'll get past it.
I'm not upset at this. The last point is made very well. We've just woken up to the fact that our "leaders" have made us dependent on a hostile power. We should be pissed.
But he's overstating the threat, in my view. The numbers coming out of Italy now aren't even that bad. 7900 diagnosed cases over three weeks in a population of 60 million. With, I guess, 460 deaths, if Italy's wonky reporting on deaths is to be believed. That was after only a very soft quarantine in Northern Italy.
I think everyone got freaked the fuck out by the glimpses of absolute mayhem in China. Well. Hello. China. Maybe that's what they wanted us to see.
Based in Taiwan myself and the response was massive. Being so close to the outbreak it's not surprising Taiwan was one of the first hit. But they did massive testing of anyone who tested positive, everyone who came into contact for at least 2 weeks, testing multiple times even if negative and they got a handle on it, there have been a few cases in the past few weeks, usually as a case of proactive searching for contacts with known cases making up 300 or 400 tests for every positive found.
Last I checked the USA was doing about 30 tests to every positive found, which is where I think the problem is. People are worried about the costs and don't get tested. The Government if they are going to get a hold over this are going to need to suck up the expense and proactively chase down the virus.
They are not doing that, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ has the stats, we are told the mortality rate is roughly 2~3% you can then extrapolate from deaths roughly how many known cases should be found and for the USA it's well below what you would expect. China. Italy and Iran are the only other countries whose numbers are as skewed and off ratio as badly as the USA's.
I don't think the real mortality rate is known. Only the rate from confirmed cases. Since many people recover without knowing they've had it and without getting tested, the rate is likely lower.
He’s right about everything he said about “Fuck China” though. They want us dead and they’re trying to convince us this is how they’ll do it. They have collaborators inside our institutions.
I used to really like Tucker but started loosing confidence in him the last year. I am wondering if he’s just shilling. After I saw him on a episode of Ancient Aliens that was it for me. I believe in aliens but don’t believe how Ancient Aliens spin it. Great entertaining show but John Podesta was on another episode a few months back. Carson really cucked out going on that show trying to feed us bullshit
Coming from an Italian family I know exactly what you mean.lol
And we have a fucking vaccine for the flu how do people think that comparison is anything but terrifying? A flu that we have no vaccine against and is much more infectious that was designed by Chinese communist evil scientists by mixing it with an HIV envelope and has brought half the world to a stand still in a few months....
Nothing to see here retards!
The flu vaccination given every year is a shot in the dark against what flu will be predominant that year. A guess. And big pharma is usually wrong about which flu will be the problem. Go home. You're drunk.
Very few people worldwide are vaccinated against the flu and it's not particularly effective. We still have several hundred thousand deaths worldwide despite the vaccine.
This virus is not bringing half the world to a standstill. It's the unreasonable PANIC over the virus that's done that. So stop adding to it.
I may be the only person here who never cared for Tucker "Make-Funny-Disbelieving-Face-And-Then-Talk-Over-The-Weakest-Possible-Opponent-He-Could-Possibly-EVER-Find-That-Represents-An-Idea-He-Wished-To-Lampoon" Carlson.
True nuff, it is a "pandemic", by definition, (flu hitting multiple countries at once), and calling it what it is isn't, or shouldn't be, that big of a deal. On the other hand, the US has about as much in common with Italy, as my foot has with a 5 pound Zeppole! The geographic space, distance between neighbors, percent of rural citizens ( why we're mocked for being cowboys and uncultured), doctors and scientists per capital and etc.
In other words, Tuck, whatta I'ma tellin' you muh dear, is that: it can't happen here!...🎶...cuz I've been checking it out. I checked it out a couple of times.
I never cared for him either..then again I watch 0 msm. They're all puppets to me
Puppet or not, he actually says immigrants make our country dirty. He knows the 1% benefits from the collapse of the family and cheap, brown labor.
I listen to stuff much farther right than him and he comes the closest to saying those ...uncomfortable truths.
You are not the only person. And Tucker flat-out LIES. His hit piece on Paul Singer a few weeks back was literally all lies. His central claim, that the the evil, heartless Singer permanently destroyed a lovely rural town by pushing for Cabela's to be sold to Bass Pro Shops, was so utterly false that the town's mayor and the state senator whose district includes the town, both went to the media to deny that the town had any significant problems resulting from Cabela's closure, and cited verifiable facts and figures to back what they were saying.
I wasn’t aware of that. Welp time to do some digging...
More on Tucker/Cabela's:
https://thedonald.win/p/4FaDj6K/x/c/GIlOA5YG
https://www.starherald.com/hemingford/opinion/steve-erdman-sidney-rebounding-after-loss-of-cabela-s/article_7a3823f0-22a8-11ea-bc4f-3bd71c6124e6.html
https://www.newschannelnebraska.com/story/41411347/dying-hardly-sidney-officials-react-to-tucker-carlson-piece-with-optimism
https://nypost.com/2016/10/03/cabelas-is-sold-for-5-5b-a-win-for-paul-singer/
I live in Sidney NE. (Pedes are everywhere!) I'm a reporter for the local paper here. Sure, the story rang the hype bells (ratings, you know) but a lot of it was true. The economic impact of the Cabela's sale has been devastating. The mayor and other officials (yes, I know them) are trying to minimize the damage in their public statements. Will the town recover? Yes. But very slowly, and probably never to the same level as before. The problem is that it was a huge amount of high-paying jobs that were lost. Way higher than the average salaries of other jobs. Property values plummeted. Mass amounts of people lost their homes or had to move out. There has been some recovery, but not much. Some new jobs...but only like a dozen at a time. And they're mostly $12 an hour type jobs. The only people now with good incomes are government workers/ teachers/cops...and when that stops, it will be circle the drain time here. The Cablela's Corporate Office building sits on the outskirts of the town overlooking Route 80 West...like a giant tombstone. For years now, they've been trying to lease the building for $1 a year to a "qualified company"....no takers.
The question remains, the economic impact of the Bass Pro/Cabela's merger was obviously going to tank the town--so why was it approved? I'm originally from Jersey--where you can't even build a footpath over a creek without a million dollar "environmental study". And if the left-handed tadpole is threatened, well no footpath for you! Sen. Sasse did and has done nothing. People are furious with him out here. Adrian Smith (congress)--also nothing. Lots of excuses, though.
Being relatively new to the area (about 3 years) I'll tell you the real problem--people here have NO IDEA how to attract major companies to relocate here. They only had Cabela's because it was started in a garage right outside of Sidney in the early 60's and grew.
But much of what the Tucker report said was absolutely accurate.
There was a lot of false information in Tucker's story beyond the condition of the town of Sidney, which was wildly exaggerated (my quick check of the real estate listings confirmed what the mayor and state senator said). Most of what Tucker said about Singer's involvement was also false, including the claim that Singer "pocketed $90 million". Singer's company is the manager of the funds, and owns only a tiny percentage of them -- most of the profits went to the funds' investors, which include some wealthy individuals, but also a lot of institutional investors like pension funds. And his claim that Singer's business model consists largely of destroying small towns in rural American was also false -- this type of transaction, which ends up causing the closure of a small town's major business, is a tiny part of the Elliott funds' investment activities.
Tucker also made no mention whatsoever of the town's responsibility. As you noted, the people who live there seem to have no idea how to attract major companies to open facilities there. I live in a small midwestern town that does know how to do this, because they've been making a well-organized effort since the 1970s. And I'm pretty sure a big part of the reason the people of Sidney have no idea how, is that they never bothered seriously trying until after the closure of Cabela's was announced. In other words, they just assumed that this company, which was built from scratch by a local family, would provide them with high-paying jobs forever.
Tucker took the concept much further, suggesting that there should be a law to stop companies from selling themselves if it will put people out of work. This is called socialism and it's a horrible thing that destroys freedom first, and then destroys economies, putting a lot more people out of work and making them dependent on an increasingly authoritarian government. Tucker's plan would also mean that any future small-town individual or family that built a very successful business through their own hard work and wise choices, would not really own the business, because they would not have the right to sell it to the highest bidder or to whomever they choose, when they are no longer able or wanting to operate the business themselves. Again, this is called socialism, and it's a horrible and destructive thing.
Tucker also framed the whole situation as a personal indictment of Paul Singer, failing to note that it was the Cabela family that made the decision to sell (Singer was never in a position to force them to sell, and could only exert influence because the sale made economic sense), and that natural changes in the business environment made it inevitable that the company would be sold and merged into a larger company. Smart investors make money by accurately predicting upcoming merger and acquisition transactions, and the financial and securities markets effects of the transactions.
There is no legal basis (nor should there be) to prevent such a transaction from happening. Businesses do not exist to provide jobs; they exist to provide profits to owners/shareholders. When socialist government policies result in businesses being kept operating solely to provide jobs, the businesses cease to become profitable. While socialist government policies may use taxpayer money to prop up such businesses in order to maintain the jobs (and thus buy votes for the socialist politicians), that doesn't change the fact that the businesses have ceased to contribute to the economy (or are contributing much less than if the capital tied up in them was deployed to other, more profitable business activities). This is how socialism destroys economies, and that leads to a lot more unemployed and falsely employed (adding nothing to the economy) people who are completely dependent on government.
If there's a legitimate target for blame in the Sidney/Cabela's matter, besides the complacent townspeople, it's the Cabela family. They were intimately familiar with their business and its long-term prospects, and also intimately familiar with the town's dangerous dependence on this one business. They were certainly aware at least a decade in advance, that their company was very unlikely to continue providing jobs in Sidney. They could have made some effort and small financial investment, to get a business development organization off the ground, so that the townspeople would have some time to get the hang of the process and at least get a couple of small new employers into the town/county, before they were confronted with an emergency situation.
Perhaps the Cabela family did try and just couldn't get the townspeople to make a serious effort. But blaming Paul Singer for Sidney's problems is simply dishonest, and frankly sounded just like a typical socialist political activist trying to drum up popular resentment against "the rich" and convince crowds of angry people that it's ethical and desirable to have government take control of private businesses "for the greater good". If that's what Tucker really believes, then he should be campaigning for Bernie Sanders.
I think he was still a bit overblown. It seems true that it will be worse than a seasonal flu, and it seems true that it is dangerous for those with pre-existing conditions and for the elderly, but for normal healthy adults, it's not any worse than a normal old or flu, and thankfully, according to the Surgeon General, for kids and young adults it is LESS dangerous than the flu. I think that there may be economic disruption for a while, but we'll get past it.
I'm not upset at this. The last point is made very well. We've just woken up to the fact that our "leaders" have made us dependent on a hostile power. We should be pissed.
But he's overstating the threat, in my view. The numbers coming out of Italy now aren't even that bad. 7900 diagnosed cases over three weeks in a population of 60 million. With, I guess, 460 deaths, if Italy's wonky reporting on deaths is to be believed. That was after only a very soft quarantine in Northern Italy.
I think everyone got freaked the fuck out by the glimpses of absolute mayhem in China. Well. Hello. China. Maybe that's what they wanted us to see.
He's trying too hard to impress his crush, Tulsi Gabbard.
Fuck off Tucker. It's all F.U.D.
Based in Taiwan myself and the response was massive. Being so close to the outbreak it's not surprising Taiwan was one of the first hit. But they did massive testing of anyone who tested positive, everyone who came into contact for at least 2 weeks, testing multiple times even if negative and they got a handle on it, there have been a few cases in the past few weeks, usually as a case of proactive searching for contacts with known cases making up 300 or 400 tests for every positive found.
Last I checked the USA was doing about 30 tests to every positive found, which is where I think the problem is. People are worried about the costs and don't get tested. The Government if they are going to get a hold over this are going to need to suck up the expense and proactively chase down the virus.
They are not doing that, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ has the stats, we are told the mortality rate is roughly 2~3% you can then extrapolate from deaths roughly how many known cases should be found and for the USA it's well below what you would expect. China. Italy and Iran are the only other countries whose numbers are as skewed and off ratio as badly as the USA's.
I don't think the real mortality rate is known. Only the rate from confirmed cases. Since many people recover without knowing they've had it and without getting tested, the rate is likely lower.
We're not Italy. Italy is the oldest country in Europe.
with a large population over the age of 80 also..
That has nothing to do with the rate of infection.
It has to do with the fatality rate.
He’s right about everything he said about “Fuck China” though. They want us dead and they’re trying to convince us this is how they’ll do it. They have collaborators inside our institutions.
Is the Tuck getting cucked?
It is FoxNews
I wonder if he overplayed it to drive home the fact that Chyna has an inordinate amount of control over our supply chain.
If he was trying to get people talking, I’d say he succeeded. Otherwise, he may very well be caught up in the hype.
His point about China is well taken..I think our POTUS gets that also..he went a little over the top in stoking fear about the virus imo.
At first, I thought he was just building up to something, but then it just kept going and going.
The Tuck has self cucked. I hope it wad worth it to lose all credibility.
TEOTWAWKI ! Don't panic !
I used to really like Tucker but started loosing confidence in him the last year. I am wondering if he’s just shilling. After I saw him on a episode of Ancient Aliens that was it for me. I believe in aliens but don’t believe how Ancient Aliens spin it. Great entertaining show but John Podesta was on another episode a few months back. Carson really cucked out going on that show trying to feed us bullshit
Hes just another actor on television
gasp SAY IT AINT SO!