If nothing else, he's certainly building an overwhelming case of biased operations. I suppose the more evidence he gets, the bigger and easier the lawsuit will become?
the media is doing something bad to the American people. it has a net negative effect. I don't care if you personally change the channel. That doesn't prevent it from doing damage. just because you personally don't do something doesn't mean it's not hurting other people
the problem is conservative selfish libertarians. I think the whole world revolves around them. but if it's not personally hurting THEM that it's not really a problem
just because you change the channel means it's no longer a problem. it doesn't. there's other people in the world besides you. there's other people in the world that matter. I'm selfish narcissism of the libertarian that think that nobody else matters and they should only look out for themselves and fuck everyone else is exactly what's wrong with America
if you can't care about other people then you're not a good person..
if you don't care that America is suffering because of this problem just because you personally don't watch it and you are not only a bad person but you're also bad for America. you are what's wrong with America. you are what perpetuates all the problems with America. Because you're such an old stuck in your ways Boomer but you can't accept what things change
You talk just like a libtard. "You're what wrong with this country, boomer. They're doing something bAd to the American people!!11"
Calm down, kid. Have some faith in your fellow Americans. You've all forgotten that Trump won, and he'll win again. What they're doing isn't working, no need to destroy the first amendment because you're scared.
Idk, rather than wait on the Government, or put one more thing on President Trump, I think we should do something ourselves. TheDonld.win is one example. We could wait on someone to stand-up for us on Reddit (and we'd be screwed) or we can take it into our own hands.
The first step is support; support non-Leftist versions of everything as a user; through activity and money (like Judicial Watch and Project Veritas).
The second is to actively promote the alternatives to the Leftists crap, and to publicize the injustices, keep calling them out on their double standards and hypocrisy like President Trump does.
the third is action, positive and negative.
3a. Do something, for good. If you see a problem you can solve or help, do it. Don't get stuck on things you cannot do or fix.
3b. Do something, to stand up to the evil. Make a list of the supporters, advertisers, promoters of Leftist ideology and boycott them. I don't subscribe to Netflix, I don't shop at Dick's, I don't contribute to Reddit and every time I see an advertisement in a Leftist Reddit forum I blacklist them. You don't have to be stupid about it; if you feel you have to use something of theirs fine, but are you looking for more conservative alternatives to Google, PayPal, Reddit, Apple, Dicks, Netflix, etc..
Community; there is strength in numbers. You found this community of online Trump supporters, do you know the Trump supporters in your local community?
completely stupid. you want to make a non left-wing version of every single thing in the world?
a rightwing twitter
a rightwing Facebook
a rightwing reddit
a rightwing paypal
a rightwing Wikipedia
a rightwing citibank
a rightwing payment processor
a rightwing loan company
a rightwing mcdonalds
economy for the left and one economy for the right.
the dumbest thing ever. totally impossible totally ridiculous and just a terrible thing to even want. you want America to be so divided like that??
tell that works out for you. I'm Reddit the average post would get 5000 up votes and the average front-page post would have like 30000 up votes
here u have about 2-3k on the BEST posts
you're delusional if you think that's the answer.
contrary to what narcissistic libertarians believe: the world does not revolve around you. therefore just because you're voting for Trump doesn't mean everybody else is. you cannot win elections with 2000 people
the solution is to fix the problems where they are. not run away because your a bitch and try to start your own company
"ill start MY OWN reddit! with blackjack and hookers!""
no
the people vested power in the government step in and take care of these companies when they get out of hand. That is why the government can do it. Because it's sanctioned by the people. everything the government can do. all of the government's power is take given directly by the people. without the people's consent the government can't do anything.
libertarians can't understand. They can't comprehend that a large group of people can form a country and work together to make it a better place. libertarians are so narcissistic that they can only see themselves. They can only think about themselves. They only look out for themselves. and so they can't comprehend any other wayyy
when a giant corporation is doing something to radical that you would flip out if the government did then it's perfectly fine to step in and have the government stuff them. That's what it's there for. just because some propaganda outlet told you differently doesn't mean it's actually different. I just means you've been manipulated by billionaires
pass laws against censorship
and if our elected officials won't step up and do that then we need new elected officials because they have clearly chosen to represent billionaire that before they represent us. They spend more time defending these other giant anti-American corporations and they do to finding their own constituents. if that's the case it's time to vote for other people. if Ted Cruz won't do it but for someone else is challenging him in the primary. if Mitch McConnell won't do it then vote him out. use that great right that the founding fathers gave you. The right to vote
Calm down dude. What you're suggesting isn't wrong; we should demand of our government to do right by us. However, while they fail to do so we can take responsibility and vote with our time and wallets by supporting companies that don't suppress non-leftist ideas. Nobody is asking for right-wing clone companies. We just want free speech.
The post you're replying to is a good one, and your point is valid as well. It's just too bad you force readers to wade through ad-hominem, straw men, and unprovoked anti-libertarian ranting to get to it.
Ah, No... Why allow any of them to continue existing?
Your freedom will never be safe till they have no power. Your/our current position is the result of believing there could be tolerance between Good and Evil.
We. Must. Be. Vigilante. Always.
Also, I never said not to require action from our government or hold them accountable; I said, "rather than wait on the Government" take it into your own hands as much as is reasonable and necessary.
Surely you realize that they are here because they have destroyed every other nation their ideology has visited. This is why Globalism and open-borders are necessary for their beliefs; to survive they must be able to abandon the sinking ship, rather than face the consequences of their beliefs and choices.
the people vested power in the government step in and take care of these companies when they get out of hand. That is why the government can do it. Because it's sanctioned by the people. everything the government can do. all of the government's power is take given directly by the people.
Like the FBI? The Portland police in Oregon? The British police who allowed the Muslim Rape-gangs to operate with impunity for fear they would be labeled "racist"? The British Red-Coats in 1770's? Tell me, who gives you justice in the court of law? Is it the Judge, or the Jury of your peers? Where was the government on 9/11? What about JFK's assassination? Were these convoluted government conspiracies, or is your government just a bunch of mostly lazy incompetents who could not make it in the private sector?
...I'm sure that eventually they might get around to looking like they are trying, but why wait? If you want to wait on the Government that is up to you, but your going to be waiting a long time.
Who is it getting dead/invalid voters off the rolls in these corrupt Democrat states? Is it your government, or is it Tom Fitton suing them?
without the people's consent the government can't do anything.
Like give Uranium to Russia, pallets of cash to Iran, our industries and jobs to China, our voting power to illegal foreigners, setup an effective ruling dynasty via Deep State, spy on oppositions candidates to ensure it, indoctrinate your children by taking over the education system and making you pay for it?
it's not just parts of Government or only our Government; there is no Government in the world now or in the past that has ever actually worked.
(I) You think you are protected by the machinations of the Government system, but the truth is you are protected by the Blood, Sweat, Determination, and Sacrifice of those noble enough to serve and do what is needed. We PAY them a wage/salary for what can be bought, but we HONOR them for what they give that no man can buy.
(II) Do you think the "democratic process", or the "balance and separation of government power" is what has turned things around in our nation? Or is it the undaunted sacrifice and service of a true patriot running for President and opposing the corrupt media, politicians, Deep State, Leftist Activists night and day?
Your zeal is appropriate friend, but I urge you not to ONLY rely on your Government to do the right thing... find a way to make them, or do it yourself.
The Federal Elections Commission should be doing something.
This should be simple, immediate, and inarguable.
The FEC, the FCC, and the FTC should issue the following order
No social media platform can edit, alter, or censor the official candidate or official campaign account
Any action taken against either candidate or campaign will result in a $100 BILLION fine.
Not joking abut the $100B fine either. In fact, make it $100 Trillion.
NO CANDIDATE FOR OFFICE, of any party, should have their official account or official campaign account censored by any employee of a private company. Period. End of discussion.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS NOT SUBJECT TO A FUCKING TERM OF SERVICE
Such endorsements and censorship should be counted as in-kind contributions to a campaign
Yes, the distinction between PLATFORM (enjoying 230 liability protections) and PUBLISHER.
They should be held legally liable for the child porn, the illegal drug trafficking, the human trafficking, the facilitating communication by enemies of the United States.
This is true, but should be inarguable. But, the 230 protection also render no Standing to even potential litigation where a claim could be made that harm was made and facilitated through the network (e.g., harm/loss/death that came from bullying). They are currently protected from any and all allegations (mostly civil) that could also be brought to bear would drain these companies of their resources. Yes, their pile of treasure might bear that out now, but (again) these companies would have never "made it" without these protections being afforded to them from early stage until now. Protections that were afforded them by the US (the People); not their own TOS or some other national policy.
take it even further. Make income contributions by social media Giants illegal. Have the FCC rule that it is illegal for large social media companies to make in contributions to a campaign
have the FCC rule that political censorship is classified as an in-kind contribution. Because it is. if you sent her the supporters of one candidate or just have him since you're talking points of one party but not the other or you take action in a way that manipulates an election that should be counted as an in-kind contribution to a political campaign
endeavor under the FEC rules that would be illegal. subject to a 1 billion dollar fine..
how do you stop censorship. and I don't give a fuk about any arguments are there was. They proven they can't be left to their own devices.
Also, I am running for office, from now until forever. Since I'm banned from Twitter and banned from several reddits and 10minute hushed on many others.
Can I hold a rally for Clinton in your living room? Can I use your cell phone to campaign for Bernie?
Twitter is not "free speech", and you would never want it defined so narrowly. It's a company that's owned by private citizens. It is under no obligation to allow people to use its service when those people break the terms (contract) of that service. It would be the same if .WIN became huge, and all of sudden leftists demanded that because of "free speech" they be allowed to post here.
Twitter, Facebook, et. al. are absolutely allowed to discriminate with regard to the content they allow on their platform. It is their platform. It does not belong to you.
Twitter, Facebook, et. al. are absolutely allowed to discriminate with regard to the content they allow on their platform. It is their platform. It does not belong to you.
And discriminate, they damn well do. That's what we are opposing, here.
When Twitter flags an unedited video as "fake," but ignores multiple falsehoods, that is absolutely an assault on our First Amendment rights.
First, notice the downvotes. It's a new feature rolled out by the GODMODS, but it's telling.
Second, bruh...we are not talking about a banal commentary about a food recipe nor an invective-laced tirade about my random political opinions.
We are talking about our citizens qualified for and in the act of running for PUBLIC OFFICE.
FURTHER...
These PLATFORMS are granted LIABILITY PROTECTIONS from the US Government that without them these platforms would be literally sued out of existence. It's not a stretch to say that OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS made and continue to make this platform/business possible. We maybe should think they could say, "Thank you" and then shut the fuck up and be on their way.
FURTHER...
These PLATFORMS are WELL QUALIFIED for public-square protections and should apply broadly to Political Speech for anyone.
There shouldn't be any doubt or discussion that these PLATFORMS should not impeded the access to or censor any publicly-qualified candidate (i.e, they have gotten the signatures of their tentative constituents and are in the act of running for office).
If you think I give a fuck about downvotes from dipshits who don't understand the law you have no idea who you're fucking with.
These PLATFORMS are granted LIABILITY PROTECTIONS from the US Government that without them these platforms would be literally sued out of existence.
No they wouldn't. Are you attorney? No, you aren't, and you have no idea what you're talking about.
These PLATFORMS are WELL QUALIFIED for public-square protections
No they aren't. They are private services. The only reason they are popular is because they are free. There is absolutely nothing public about them. They have the same rights as any other business, no matter how much you cry about it.
Ever wonder why nobody sues twitter for "censorship"? Use your head. They're completely within their rights to censor you all fucking day long, and for the rest of time. You do not have the right to use another person's property, violate the contract you agreed to when using it, and then complain about your "rights". Twitter is not your property. Facebook is not your property.
When you engage with twitter, at the point of "sale" you sign a contract that defines the terms and conditions of your usage of their service. They could come right out and say, "No anti-Democrat party sentiments" and it would be entirely within their rights to do so, just as on this website we can say no Democrats. The point is you signed a contract. If you didn't like the terms of the agreement, you shouldn't have signed. Facebook and twitter are not utilities. There are thousands of other ways to communicate of the internet. The internet is a utility. Facebook is not.
You need to put on your big boy pants and start "adulting", because you're acting like a child who has no idea about anything. This is the way the world works, and whether or not you like it, it's completely fair. You talk like a fucking commie when you complain about "big tech" and "muh government" needs to point guns at people for me to have my way. You may think you're a patriot but at best you're communism lite. You believe in the same shit they do.
I'm talking about people running for public office. And, the FEC and the FTC absolutely has something to say in how a private company is influencing our election process by censoring some and not others.
Further, there are PAID SERVICES that the Trump Campaign is being denied (for flimsy reasons, at best) while other candidates are being provided.
If you can't see the imbalance, then few people can help you.
FEC and the FTC absolutely has something to say in how a private company is influencing our election process by censoring some and not others.
IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO "INFLUENCE" AN ELECTION.
If you can't see the imbalance, then few people can help you.
I don't need help from you or anyone else. I think for myself and I plan on continuing to do so. Maybe that's your problem. You seem to think everyone is like you: easily influenced.
I never said there wasn't an imbalance. I said there is nothing you can do about it because this is free country. In a free country your going to have "imbalance". Go ahead and call up AOC and get the government to make a bunch of shitty laws that ultimately fuck us in the ass.
I know, how about: "You can't discuss politics on social media." That's fair, right? Welcome back to 1992, with the msm controlling the narrative.
Or, how about: "You can't censor political thought on social media." That's fair right? Welcome back to 1892, nigger. Join the KKK. Join ISIS. Join the National Socialist Party. All of that is political thought.
So you go ahead and tell me what "law" you think is going to protect you. It doesn't even matter because you're not going to force a private company providing a service, where interaction is voluntary, to change the terms of their service to accommodate you. It's unconstitutional. It's never going to happen. You just look like a bitch when you cry about it.
I know you're a hypocrite because you wouldn't be fighting this hard against censorship if it were commies being censored. You wouldn't give two shits. But because it's your side, SoMEThiNg MuSt Be DonE!1 Thinking like yours is exactly why the Boy Scouts is now 50% girls, and you have scout leaders who are furries. Forced inclusiveness is exactly how we got here.
The sooner you understand, more importantly, accept that twitter, facebook, Reddit, et. al. are nothing but left wing cesspools of hot garbage and there is nothing you can do about it, the sooner you can come to grips with reality and do something to make a difference instead of cry.
It's private property, dipshit. You have no right to determine what facebook and twitter allow on their webstite. ZERO.
You faggots can cry all day long. You will NEVER get what you want, and thank god for it. Because if you can do it them, they can do it to you. You people are seriously fucking dumb and have zero foresight.
Trump needs to start hiring people that actually support his agenda. so far he's fired the only three people that were ever worked in his administration that actually supported him. every other person has been a deep State actor that goes on to betray him after they leave.
he needs somebody in the doj the fucking supports him. he needs somebody running the FCC that's not a corrupt piece of trash. he needs somebody running the FEC that supports his agenda. you can't have an effective administration if nobody in your administration wants to implement your agenda
Under what statute?
You guys have no standing and no idea. Twitter is not violating your civil rights.
You sound ridiculous. You guys really want congress to get involved in determining who can say what, when and where?
I can tell you guys were leftists until about 12 seconds ago, because like leftists, you have no understanding of liberty and utterly lack any kind of principle guiding your actions. It's all an arbitrary "ban this!" mentality, but now it's for "your" side. Foolish.
imagine thinking that telling a company you can't censor people is the same as determining what you can say when and where LOL. The problem with libertarians is they have everything backwards. their entire worldview is backwards. They think censorship is free speech and free speech is censorship..
the same way they think tyranny is freedom as long as it's done by a corporation..
people don't want liberty or freedom. They want monarchy. with one super rich person ruling the country with an iron fist and no Constitution holding them back. since they don't believe that the constitution should apply to private companies in the first place.
is there people who think that the constitution only applies if did you like what the government but they also don't want the government to exist. and if they don't want the Constitution to ever reply. They want to privatize everything and let George Soros own every square inch of America and rule it with an iron fist..
Libtard thoughts. Oh no, the super rich are gonna get us!
I can tell you were a leftist 12 seconds ago. No principles. A ship adrift with no sextant. Your thinking is random and based on nothing.
Come up with a universal principle that supports the things you believe. You don't have one. It's all just a case by case, whether or not it effects you positively or negatively, decision making process.
The reason I believe facebook and twitter can kick you off their service is because I'm not a communist like you and I believe in private property. I believe in private property for me, for you, and for facebook. The government has zero right to infringe on the right of the people to hold dominion over their property. I believe in free association and voluntarism. If you don't like facebook, don't use facebook.
You cucks talk up a storm about borders, gun rights, baking cakes for homos, and even this very site we're talking on with the ability to ban dissenters, but when it comes to the exact same rights for someone's company that just happens to be arrayed against us, you're real quick to abandon all your so-called "beliefs" in order deal a blow to the opposition. Facebook can do whatever the fuck it wants. It can ban you for any reason. Facebook is not a utility, you don't need facebook to survive. Facebook is vastly overestimated in terms of influence over elections or anything else. it's a business that will eventually fail, because it has made poor business decisions.
We can't and shouldn't need to wait for an action from the court. This is something that can be acted on more immediately.
My comment:
The FEC, the FCC, and the FTC should issue the following order
No social media platform can edit, alter, or censor the official candidate or official campaign account
Any action taken against either candidate or campaign will result in a $100 BILLION fine.
they couldn't do that but first you need to appoint good people to those organizations. if Trump would just start appointing Trump supporters instead of appointing Obama supporters things that go a lot smootherr..
Nothing will come out of it. Conservatives love to cry but take no action against it. Before someone comes yelling at me, remember Alex Jones-InfoWars, Milo, Laura Loomer and now PragerU. Some conservatives believe its free platform so its OK while other believe its monopoly, a publisher and fight amongst themselves. Also they sometimes backtrack from their ban, and conservatives all cheer 'they are good now' and forget about everything else.
Neither, just stating facts regarding them, the situation and people like you. What did I say that trigerred you to find the links when you could have just said they still exist on net? I guess you have lots of time on your hand. I recommend reading Mark Dice's book in free time, but it's up to you.
Do you not find it objectionable and distasteful that mammoth social media companies, who have massively benefited from the government in both their genesis and their growth, and thus are hardly “private,” can unilaterally silence people on the basis of ideology?
who have massively benefited from the government in both their genesis and their growth
Did you seriously just use the "you didn't build that" argument?
Do I find it objectionable and distasteful? Of course. Do I wish they wouldn't do it? Of course.
Am I willing to betray my principles to force private businesses to cater to people they don't want to because of some ephemeral political environment, and get the government involved in the determination of what speech is okay and not okay on facebook?
No.
Should you be able to call people niggers on facebook? That's free speech, right? Should you be able to post pornography? Nothing illegal about pornography. That's free speech.
So obviously there is a limit on the free speech you would be willing to endure on these sites. The government is not a scalpel that can just say, "Hey don't censor conservatives." It's a hammer that would have to say, "No censorship based on political ideology." Well, ISIS is a political ideology. National Socialism is a political ideology. White supremacy is a political ideology.
The people who run these businesses don't want their platform turning into something distasteful for their users, and that is absolutely within their right as a business.
I honestly think you kids sweat this shit way too much. We used to say the internet wasn't real life. It still isn't. These media companies don't have the influence you think they do. The battles happen face to face, when you talk to friends and relatives, and believe it or not, most people make decisions based on reality, not on a fucking meme. Don't overestimate this shit. People ready for red-pills go and find them.
Twitter gives millions of in kind donations to Democrats and routinely silences other parties. In accordance to our existing law, they should be considered a PAC.
It's not about whether they should be allowed to give their money to a political campaign, it's about transparency in the donation amount and obeying the current regulations on how they can give said donations.
People need to start suing them. Challenge their "platform" status. Use the left's tactics against them and get a single judge in Alabama or Texas to issue a national injunction to stop tech censorship and force the SCOTUS to intervene.
Election interference on an unprecedented scale. Silicon Valley is pulling out all the stops to stop Trump including mass censorship of his supporters.
And now trashing the economy with a manufactured plague -- they reap the profit up and down and like have the cure during in the shelf so there best Dem can actually fix something
This is the same utter bullshit that I would see on facebook in the summer of '16 that made me say, "really?! he said what?" - I started watching more and more of actual Trump speeches - realizing the ones on facebook were fake and ultimately lead me to voting for DJT!
It's really a shame how the media and tech brought him down. They really have a powerful hold over the America psyche. Something needs to be done about them. I can't take 4 more years of Hillary.
As much as I agree with the article, RT.com may not be the best source to quote or reference. It is my understanding that they are the political arm of the Russian Gov't. Please correct me if that is not accurate.
This is justification for a lawsuit as it proves clear political bias; but not only that but election interference. They cannot, as a platform, arbitrary enforce community guidelines rules against some members and not others.
Silicon Valley oligarchs do whatever they can to tilt the public opinion and elections against Trump. Check this video for example how one of them told his entire workforce that he was 'deeply offended' by the election of Trump.
Crying “double standards” just makes them sit back and laugh while they’re drinking their organic Chardonnay and eating locally sourced fig and goat cheese tarts. When the hell is his team going to sue Twitter for election interference?
The big difference you're failing to understand is that twitter is a private company and doesn't have to allow people who violate their terms of service on their platform.
No I completely understand it. Don't be a fucking moron. If they do that, that's fine BUT they are then counted as a good damn platform and there are rules that go along with that. Your seem to not understand this basic concept. We don't care which one they are but they can't have it both ways
God Damn I hope Trump eventually does something about tech censorship
If nothing else, he's certainly building an overwhelming case of biased operations. I suppose the more evidence he gets, the bigger and easier the lawsuit will become?
I doubt it'd happen til the 2nd term.
With the passing of the Hillary prosecution window, I no longer hope for prosecutions, rather that the swamp drains through attrition
EVERYONE
go to this link and report to Joe Biden video as false news about the election!
let's see what they do if hundreds of people report them!
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1234856304918663168?s=19
It will never happen because there is nothing to do about it. This is the United States and we have free speech.
Change the channel like an adult.
no
the media is doing something bad to the American people. it has a net negative effect. I don't care if you personally change the channel. That doesn't prevent it from doing damage. just because you personally don't do something doesn't mean it's not hurting other people
the problem is conservative selfish libertarians. I think the whole world revolves around them. but if it's not personally hurting THEM that it's not really a problem
just because you change the channel means it's no longer a problem. it doesn't. there's other people in the world besides you. there's other people in the world that matter. I'm selfish narcissism of the libertarian that think that nobody else matters and they should only look out for themselves and fuck everyone else is exactly what's wrong with America
if you can't care about other people then you're not a good person..
if you don't care that America is suffering because of this problem just because you personally don't watch it and you are not only a bad person but you're also bad for America. you are what's wrong with America. you are what perpetuates all the problems with America. Because you're such an old stuck in your ways Boomer but you can't accept what things change
So just admit you're communist lite.
You talk just like a libtard. "You're what wrong with this country, boomer. They're doing something bAd to the American people!!11"
Calm down, kid. Have some faith in your fellow Americans. You've all forgotten that Trump won, and he'll win again. What they're doing isn't working, no need to destroy the first amendment because you're scared.
Idk, rather than wait on the Government, or put one more thing on President Trump, I think we should do something ourselves. TheDonld.win is one example. We could wait on someone to stand-up for us on Reddit (and we'd be screwed) or we can take it into our own hands.
The first step is support; support non-Leftist versions of everything as a user; through activity and money (like Judicial Watch and Project Veritas).
The second is to actively promote the alternatives to the Leftists crap, and to publicize the injustices, keep calling them out on their double standards and hypocrisy like President Trump does.
the third is action, positive and negative.
3a. Do something, for good. If you see a problem you can solve or help, do it. Don't get stuck on things you cannot do or fix.
3b. Do something, to stand up to the evil. Make a list of the supporters, advertisers, promoters of Leftist ideology and boycott them. I don't subscribe to Netflix, I don't shop at Dick's, I don't contribute to Reddit and every time I see an advertisement in a Leftist Reddit forum I blacklist them. You don't have to be stupid about it; if you feel you have to use something of theirs fine, but are you looking for more conservative alternatives to Google, PayPal, Reddit, Apple, Dicks, Netflix, etc..
This is the only solution.
completely stupid. you want to make a non left-wing version of every single thing in the world?
a rightwing twitter
a rightwing Facebook
a rightwing reddit
a rightwing paypal
a rightwing Wikipedia
a rightwing citibank
a rightwing payment processor
a rightwing loan company
a rightwing mcdonalds
economy for the left and one economy for the right.
the dumbest thing ever. totally impossible totally ridiculous and just a terrible thing to even want. you want America to be so divided like that??
tell that works out for you. I'm Reddit the average post would get 5000 up votes and the average front-page post would have like 30000 up votes
here u have about 2-3k on the BEST posts
you're delusional if you think that's the answer.
contrary to what narcissistic libertarians believe: the world does not revolve around you. therefore just because you're voting for Trump doesn't mean everybody else is. you cannot win elections with 2000 people
the solution is to fix the problems where they are. not run away because your a bitch and try to start your own company
"ill start MY OWN reddit! with blackjack and hookers!""
no
the people vested power in the government step in and take care of these companies when they get out of hand. That is why the government can do it. Because it's sanctioned by the people. everything the government can do. all of the government's power is take given directly by the people. without the people's consent the government can't do anything.
libertarians can't understand. They can't comprehend that a large group of people can form a country and work together to make it a better place. libertarians are so narcissistic that they can only see themselves. They can only think about themselves. They only look out for themselves. and so they can't comprehend any other wayyy
when a giant corporation is doing something to radical that you would flip out if the government did then it's perfectly fine to step in and have the government stuff them. That's what it's there for. just because some propaganda outlet told you differently doesn't mean it's actually different. I just means you've been manipulated by billionaires
pass laws against censorship
and if our elected officials won't step up and do that then we need new elected officials because they have clearly chosen to represent billionaire that before they represent us. They spend more time defending these other giant anti-American corporations and they do to finding their own constituents. if that's the case it's time to vote for other people. if Ted Cruz won't do it but for someone else is challenging him in the primary. if Mitch McConnell won't do it then vote him out. use that great right that the founding fathers gave you. The right to vote
Calm down dude. What you're suggesting isn't wrong; we should demand of our government to do right by us. However, while they fail to do so we can take responsibility and vote with our time and wallets by supporting companies that don't suppress non-leftist ideas. Nobody is asking for right-wing clone companies. We just want free speech.
The post you're replying to is a good one, and your point is valid as well. It's just too bad you force readers to wade through ad-hominem, straw men, and unprovoked anti-libertarian ranting to get to it.
Ah, No... Why allow any of them to continue existing?
Your freedom will never be safe till they have no power. Your/our current position is the result of believing there could be tolerance between Good and Evil.
We. Must. Be. Vigilante. Always.
Also, I never said not to require action from our government or hold them accountable; I said, "rather than wait on the Government" take it into your own hands as much as is reasonable and necessary.
Surely you realize that they are here because they have destroyed every other nation their ideology has visited. This is why Globalism and open-borders are necessary for their beliefs; to survive they must be able to abandon the sinking ship, rather than face the consequences of their beliefs and choices.
Like the FBI? The Portland police in Oregon? The British police who allowed the Muslim Rape-gangs to operate with impunity for fear they would be labeled "racist"? The British Red-Coats in 1770's? Tell me, who gives you justice in the court of law? Is it the Judge, or the Jury of your peers? Where was the government on 9/11? What about JFK's assassination? Were these convoluted government conspiracies, or is your government just a bunch of mostly lazy incompetents who could not make it in the private sector?
...I'm sure that eventually they might get around to looking like they are trying, but why wait? If you want to wait on the Government that is up to you, but your going to be waiting a long time.
Who is it getting dead/invalid voters off the rolls in these corrupt Democrat states? Is it your government, or is it Tom Fitton suing them?
Like give Uranium to Russia, pallets of cash to Iran, our industries and jobs to China, our voting power to illegal foreigners, setup an effective ruling dynasty via Deep State, spy on oppositions candidates to ensure it, indoctrinate your children by taking over the education system and making you pay for it?
it's not just parts of Government or only our Government; there is no Government in the world now or in the past that has ever actually worked.
(I) You think you are protected by the machinations of the Government system, but the truth is you are protected by the Blood, Sweat, Determination, and Sacrifice of those noble enough to serve and do what is needed. We PAY them a wage/salary for what can be bought, but we HONOR them for what they give that no man can buy.
(II) Do you think the "democratic process", or the "balance and separation of government power" is what has turned things around in our nation? Or is it the undaunted sacrifice and service of a true patriot running for President and opposing the corrupt media, politicians, Deep State, Leftist Activists night and day?
Your zeal is appropriate friend, but I urge you not to ONLY rely on your Government to do the right thing... find a way to make them, or do it yourself.
Who? This is a new one.
He means Barr.
I would love if he spent part of his second term (especially if he has the House & Senate) going after big tech and dismantling the powerhouses.
The Federal Elections Commission should be doing something.
This should be simple, immediate, and inarguable.
The FEC, the FCC, and the FTC should issue the following order
Not joking abut the $100B fine either. In fact, make it $100 Trillion.
NO CANDIDATE FOR OFFICE, of any party, should have their official account or official campaign account censored by any employee of a private company. Period. End of discussion.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS NOT SUBJECT TO A FUCKING TERM OF SERVICE
Yes, the distinction between PLATFORM (enjoying 230 liability protections) and PUBLISHER.
This is true, but should be inarguable. But, the 230 protection also render no Standing to even potential litigation where a claim could be made that harm was made and facilitated through the network (e.g., harm/loss/death that came from bullying). They are currently protected from any and all allegations (mostly civil) that could also be brought to bear would drain these companies of their resources. Yes, their pile of treasure might bear that out now, but (again) these companies would have never "made it" without these protections being afforded to them from early stage until now. Protections that were afforded them by the US (the People); not their own TOS or some other national policy.
take it even further. Make income contributions by social media Giants illegal. Have the FCC rule that it is illegal for large social media companies to make in contributions to a campaign
have the FCC rule that political censorship is classified as an in-kind contribution. Because it is. if you sent her the supporters of one candidate or just have him since you're talking points of one party but not the other or you take action in a way that manipulates an election that should be counted as an in-kind contribution to a political campaign
endeavor under the FEC rules that would be illegal. subject to a 1 billion dollar fine..
how do you stop censorship. and I don't give a fuk about any arguments are there was. They proven they can't be left to their own devices.
Fuck it yo, let's just nationalize facebook and have the government run it!
Yes!!!
Also, I am running for office, from now until forever. Since I'm banned from Twitter and banned from several reddits and 10minute hushed on many others.
Can I hold a rally for Clinton in your living room? Can I use your cell phone to campaign for Bernie?
Twitter is not "free speech", and you would never want it defined so narrowly. It's a company that's owned by private citizens. It is under no obligation to allow people to use its service when those people break the terms (contract) of that service. It would be the same if .WIN became huge, and all of sudden leftists demanded that because of "free speech" they be allowed to post here.
Twitter, Facebook, et. al. are absolutely allowed to discriminate with regard to the content they allow on their platform. It is their platform. It does not belong to you.
And discriminate, they damn well do. That's what we are opposing, here.
When Twitter flags an unedited video as "fake," but ignores multiple falsehoods, that is absolutely an assault on our First Amendment rights.
First, notice the downvotes. It's a new feature rolled out by the GODMODS, but it's telling.
Second, bruh...we are not talking about a banal commentary about a food recipe nor an invective-laced tirade about my random political opinions.
We are talking about our citizens qualified for and in the act of running for PUBLIC OFFICE.
FURTHER...
These PLATFORMS are granted LIABILITY PROTECTIONS from the US Government that without them these platforms would be literally sued out of existence. It's not a stretch to say that OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS made and continue to make this platform/business possible. We maybe should think they could say, "Thank you" and then shut the fuck up and be on their way.
FURTHER...
These PLATFORMS are WELL QUALIFIED for public-square protections and should apply broadly to Political Speech for anyone.
There shouldn't be any doubt or discussion that these PLATFORMS should not impeded the access to or censor any publicly-qualified candidate (i.e, they have gotten the signatures of their tentative constituents and are in the act of running for office).
You are compare Apples to Screwdrivers.
If you think I give a fuck about downvotes from dipshits who don't understand the law you have no idea who you're fucking with.
No they wouldn't. Are you attorney? No, you aren't, and you have no idea what you're talking about.
No they aren't. They are private services. The only reason they are popular is because they are free. There is absolutely nothing public about them. They have the same rights as any other business, no matter how much you cry about it.
Ever wonder why nobody sues twitter for "censorship"? Use your head. They're completely within their rights to censor you all fucking day long, and for the rest of time. You do not have the right to use another person's property, violate the contract you agreed to when using it, and then complain about your "rights". Twitter is not your property. Facebook is not your property.
When you engage with twitter, at the point of "sale" you sign a contract that defines the terms and conditions of your usage of their service. They could come right out and say, "No anti-Democrat party sentiments" and it would be entirely within their rights to do so, just as on this website we can say no Democrats. The point is you signed a contract. If you didn't like the terms of the agreement, you shouldn't have signed. Facebook and twitter are not utilities. There are thousands of other ways to communicate of the internet. The internet is a utility. Facebook is not.
You need to put on your big boy pants and start "adulting", because you're acting like a child who has no idea about anything. This is the way the world works, and whether or not you like it, it's completely fair. You talk like a fucking commie when you complain about "big tech" and "muh government" needs to point guns at people for me to have my way. You may think you're a patriot but at best you're communism lite. You believe in the same shit they do.
I'm not talking about me, as a joe-schmoe user.
I'm talking about people running for public office. And, the FEC and the FTC absolutely has something to say in how a private company is influencing our election process by censoring some and not others.
Further, there are PAID SERVICES that the Trump Campaign is being denied (for flimsy reasons, at best) while other candidates are being provided.
If you can't see the imbalance, then few people can help you.
IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO "INFLUENCE" AN ELECTION.
I don't need help from you or anyone else. I think for myself and I plan on continuing to do so. Maybe that's your problem. You seem to think everyone is like you: easily influenced.
I never said there wasn't an imbalance. I said there is nothing you can do about it because this is free country. In a free country your going to have "imbalance". Go ahead and call up AOC and get the government to make a bunch of shitty laws that ultimately fuck us in the ass.
I know, how about: "You can't discuss politics on social media." That's fair, right? Welcome back to 1992, with the msm controlling the narrative.
Or, how about: "You can't censor political thought on social media." That's fair right? Welcome back to 1892, nigger. Join the KKK. Join ISIS. Join the National Socialist Party. All of that is political thought.
So you go ahead and tell me what "law" you think is going to protect you. It doesn't even matter because you're not going to force a private company providing a service, where interaction is voluntary, to change the terms of their service to accommodate you. It's unconstitutional. It's never going to happen. You just look like a bitch when you cry about it.
I know you're a hypocrite because you wouldn't be fighting this hard against censorship if it were commies being censored. You wouldn't give two shits. But because it's your side, SoMEThiNg MuSt Be DonE!1 Thinking like yours is exactly why the Boy Scouts is now 50% girls, and you have scout leaders who are furries. Forced inclusiveness is exactly how we got here.
The sooner you understand, more importantly, accept that twitter, facebook, Reddit, et. al. are nothing but left wing cesspools of hot garbage and there is nothing you can do about it, the sooner you can come to grips with reality and do something to make a difference instead of cry.
Welcome to the conservative struggle.
Seek help, dude.
imagine arguing that Twitter and Facebook are equivalent to your living room lol
It's private property, dipshit. You have no right to determine what facebook and twitter allow on their webstite. ZERO.
You faggots can cry all day long. You will NEVER get what you want, and thank god for it. Because if you can do it them, they can do it to you. You people are seriously fucking dumb and have zero foresight.
they won't stop until the court correctly recognizes them as publishers and they get their shit handed to them
Yeah because the DOJ won't do it's job.
Trump needs to start hiring people that actually support his agenda. so far he's fired the only three people that were ever worked in his administration that actually supported him. every other person has been a deep State actor that goes on to betray him after they leave.
he needs somebody in the doj the fucking supports him. he needs somebody running the FCC that's not a corrupt piece of trash. he needs somebody running the FEC that supports his agenda. you can't have an effective administration if nobody in your administration wants to implement your agenda
Under what statute? You guys have no standing and no idea. Twitter is not violating your civil rights. You sound ridiculous. You guys really want congress to get involved in determining who can say what, when and where?
I can tell you guys were leftists until about 12 seconds ago, because like leftists, you have no understanding of liberty and utterly lack any kind of principle guiding your actions. It's all an arbitrary "ban this!" mentality, but now it's for "your" side. Foolish.
Imagine being this retarded.
What statute?
I'll wait.
Oh that's right, you're a fucking moron who doesn't know shit.
imagine thinking that telling a company you can't censor people is the same as determining what you can say when and where LOL. The problem with libertarians is they have everything backwards. their entire worldview is backwards. They think censorship is free speech and free speech is censorship..
the same way they think tyranny is freedom as long as it's done by a corporation..
people don't want liberty or freedom. They want monarchy. with one super rich person ruling the country with an iron fist and no Constitution holding them back. since they don't believe that the constitution should apply to private companies in the first place.
is there people who think that the constitution only applies if did you like what the government but they also don't want the government to exist. and if they don't want the Constitution to ever reply. They want to privatize everything and let George Soros own every square inch of America and rule it with an iron fist..
Libtard thoughts. Oh no, the super rich are gonna get us!
I can tell you were a leftist 12 seconds ago. No principles. A ship adrift with no sextant. Your thinking is random and based on nothing. Come up with a universal principle that supports the things you believe. You don't have one. It's all just a case by case, whether or not it effects you positively or negatively, decision making process.
The reason I believe facebook and twitter can kick you off their service is because I'm not a communist like you and I believe in private property. I believe in private property for me, for you, and for facebook. The government has zero right to infringe on the right of the people to hold dominion over their property. I believe in free association and voluntarism. If you don't like facebook, don't use facebook.
You cucks talk up a storm about borders, gun rights, baking cakes for homos, and even this very site we're talking on with the ability to ban dissenters, but when it comes to the exact same rights for someone's company that just happens to be arrayed against us, you're real quick to abandon all your so-called "beliefs" in order deal a blow to the opposition. Facebook can do whatever the fuck it wants. It can ban you for any reason. Facebook is not a utility, you don't need facebook to survive. Facebook is vastly overestimated in terms of influence over elections or anything else. it's a business that will eventually fail, because it has made poor business decisions.
We can't and shouldn't need to wait for an action from the court. This is something that can be acted on more immediately.
My comment:
https://thedonald.win/p/4K6dkv3/x/c/GIgqZj8c
they couldn't do that but first you need to appoint good people to those organizations. if Trump would just start appointing Trump supporters instead of appointing Obama supporters things that go a lot smootherr..
Joepedo is deteriorating rapidly. By November, he'll be endorsing Corn Pop for Senate.
Joepedo is the silliest shit ever. Thank you retards.
Joepedo will live forever.
Nothing will come out of it. Conservatives love to cry but take no action against it. Before someone comes yelling at me, remember Alex Jones-InfoWars, Milo, Laura Loomer and now PragerU. Some conservatives believe its free platform so its OK while other believe its monopoly, a publisher and fight amongst themselves. Also they sometimes backtrack from their ban, and conservatives all cheer 'they are good now' and forget about everything else.
Here's info wars:
https://www.infowars.com/
Here's Prager U.
https://www.prageru.com/
Here's Laura Loomer:
https://loomered.com/
These people still exist. Are you supporting them or just complaining?
Neither, just stating facts regarding them, the situation and people like you. What did I say that trigerred you to find the links when you could have just said they still exist on net? I guess you have lots of time on your hand. I recommend reading Mark Dice's book in free time, but it's up to you.
Do you not find it objectionable and distasteful that mammoth social media companies, who have massively benefited from the government in both their genesis and their growth, and thus are hardly “private,” can unilaterally silence people on the basis of ideology?
Did you seriously just use the "you didn't build that" argument?
Do I find it objectionable and distasteful? Of course. Do I wish they wouldn't do it? Of course.
Am I willing to betray my principles to force private businesses to cater to people they don't want to because of some ephemeral political environment, and get the government involved in the determination of what speech is okay and not okay on facebook?
No.
Should you be able to call people niggers on facebook? That's free speech, right? Should you be able to post pornography? Nothing illegal about pornography. That's free speech.
So obviously there is a limit on the free speech you would be willing to endure on these sites. The government is not a scalpel that can just say, "Hey don't censor conservatives." It's a hammer that would have to say, "No censorship based on political ideology." Well, ISIS is a political ideology. National Socialism is a political ideology. White supremacy is a political ideology.
The people who run these businesses don't want their platform turning into something distasteful for their users, and that is absolutely within their right as a business.
I honestly think you kids sweat this shit way too much. We used to say the internet wasn't real life. It still isn't. These media companies don't have the influence you think they do. The battles happen face to face, when you talk to friends and relatives, and believe it or not, most people make decisions based on reality, not on a fucking meme. Don't overestimate this shit. People ready for red-pills go and find them.
At this point Twitter is a PAC and should be treated as such.
I think people should be allowed to give as much money as they want to political campaigns.
Trump and now Bloomberg have proven that money in politics doesn't matter. You can spend a billion dollars and it doesn't matter.
Twitter gives millions of in kind donations to Democrats and routinely silences other parties. In accordance to our existing law, they should be considered a PAC.
It's not about whether they should be allowed to give their money to a political campaign, it's about transparency in the donation amount and obeying the current regulations on how they can give said donations.
Scott Adams said this yesterday. That the fine people hoax video clip was exactly like Biden's endorsement video clip.
Except one has been used up to the highest levels of government and one was a funny twitter retweet.
People need to start suing them. Challenge their "platform" status. Use the left's tactics against them and get a single judge in Alabama or Texas to issue a national injunction to stop tech censorship and force the SCOTUS to intervene.
Censorship is not a crime. SCOTUS will affirm the same.
Hoo buddy.
They tagged mine as false on facebook and sent me a message about it. They are really desperate at this point.
Election interference on an unprecedented scale. Silicon Valley is pulling out all the stops to stop Trump including mass censorship of his supporters.
And now trashing the economy with a manufactured plague -- they reap the profit up and down and like have the cure during in the shelf so there best Dem can actually fix something
Sounds like the FEC needs to investigate these in-kind contributions and determine if they've exceeded their contribution limits.
Perhaps they can give @Jack 8 months behind bars.
It Was A Joke
This is the same utter bullshit that I would see on facebook in the summer of '16 that made me say, "really?! he said what?" - I started watching more and more of actual Trump speeches - realizing the ones on facebook were fake and ultimately lead me to voting for DJT!
someone is dv'ing everyone like it's their religion. y'all have an upvote on this 'bama pede. i do love a lil defiance to go with my covfefe latte.
Stop with the strong language. demand the FCC penalize them and sue them
Every mainstream corporate media outlet reported on these. These were a deliberate attempt to smear and total lies of omission.
No one thinks that Joe actually endorsed POTUS.
And #1:
And that's why Trump wasn't elected.
It's really a shame how the media and tech brought him down. They really have a powerful hold over the America psyche. Something needs to be done about them. I can't take 4 more years of Hillary.
TFW nonsense.
As much as I agree with the article, RT.com may not be the best source to quote or reference. It is my understanding that they are the political arm of the Russian Gov't. Please correct me if that is not accurate.
And who might that be?
For the last fucking time, I don't need someone to "protect" me from "controversial" content online for the sake of the "community standards".
This is justification for a lawsuit as it proves clear political bias; but not only that but election interference. They cannot, as a platform, arbitrary enforce community guidelines rules against some members and not others.
Three companies don't control what you see, that's a ridiculous statement. I can see whatever I want and so can you.
Silicon Valley oligarchs do whatever they can to tilt the public opinion and elections against Trump. Check this video for example how one of them told his entire workforce that he was 'deeply offended' by the election of Trump.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-google-leaderships-dismayed-reaction-to-trump-election/
If liberals didn’t have double standards...
REGULATE THEM AS A PUBLISHER PLEASE
Got to go to RT to get the unvarnished truth. SMH
Crying “double standards” just makes them sit back and laugh while they’re drinking their organic Chardonnay and eating locally sourced fig and goat cheese tarts. When the hell is his team going to sue Twitter for election interference?
They're not going to allow another 2016 situation.
Who is "they"?
Take them out GEOTUS!
RT is a Russian hack. -smug liberal
If someone in the White House is reading this, just know I was prepared to go if they tried to remove you under false grounds.
And just know we are ready to go if in second term they try more bullshit. We have your back.
Publisher not a platform
Doesn't matter. You can't make Random House publish Mien Kampf.
False argument. We aren't talking about making them do something. We are talking about preventing them from doing something. BIG DIFFERENCE.
The big difference you're failing to understand is that twitter is a private company and doesn't have to allow people who violate their terms of service on their platform.
The End. Welcome to the United States.
No I completely understand it. Don't be a fucking moron. If they do that, that's fine BUT they are then counted as a good damn platform and there are rules that go along with that. Your seem to not understand this basic concept. We don't care which one they are but they can't have it both ways
The day the first amendment is repealed and property rights no longer exist.
P.S. - "social and election manipulation" is not a thing.
ok groomer