There are several treatments currently being tested, at least two are showing positive results. Lopinavir and chloriquine are among them. There's a vaccine in phase 1 study right now (libs literally retarded saying vaccines can't be released in months), while there appear to be four other treatments that are being tested with positive results. Source
There are downsides with cancelling. The panic will get worse. I think the panic is hurting much more than the virus right now.
On the flip side, that one idiot who went to CPAC infected could have infected our entire federal government. What is preventing one idiot from out of state going to this rally and infecting almost everybody?
You say the panic is hurting, I dont actually think that is a bad thing. Italy didnt panic because the virus had only been in china at the point it hit them and it spread all over their entire country.
I'm not trying to argue, but what do you think the difference is between the US and Italy in terms of stopping the spread of the virus? Would you rather people panic, or the virus spreads ? surely stopping the virus is the main goal. look at italy, with the entire country on lockdown.
I would rather the virus spreads just like every other cold and flu and that the panic would stop tanking our economy. This is no different than any other winter except for the panic.
We know that the virus has a significantly higher mortality rate among people who are older or have compromised immune systems. Do you know what the average age of those who have died from Coronavirus in Italy is? EIGHTY ONE. Yes, 81 years old. Many of them having additional conditions.
The goal isn't stopping the virus. That's like saying we should stop the flu virus. Yeah, that's a great pipe dream but it's not going to happen. What we should focus on is the understanding who is most at risk and how those people can minimize that risk.
When you start cancelling events and pretending that everything outside the house is the end of the world, you incite panic. You get people fighting over fucking toilet paper. Is that really the best response that we want out of people?
The goal is mitigation of the virus and reducing the spread, that is all we can do. This has been demonstrated possible in South Korea where their case count which was initially growing exponentially has started to reduce, when they closed all schools, colleges etc.
Basically every country in europe has begun closing its schools, colleges, and non-essential workplaces. Its bound to happen in the US too. Why do you think the US is different, what is it that makes it any different to Europe?
What I don't get is people saying 'its not that high, there are shit loads of people who have it and dont know so they aren't counted' but isnt that the same with the common flu? You can have the common flu and still go to work, and just feel a bit feverish, right? Or am I wrong?
If you can also have symptoms of the flu and feel fine, it DOES have a far higher death rate. At that point, you can compare the two death rates.
Yes. And I am saying that the same thing can be said of the common flu, there are more infected than the numbers suggest.
So the two death rates can be compared. And that means that coronavirus has a far higher death rate than the flu.
I'm not saying Covid-19 has a high death rate, im saying it has a high death when you compare it to the flu
lol. A way for big TP (don't get excite Warren I didn't say teepee) to sell off that single ply that's been rotting in a warehouse ever since we stopped arresting so many illegals at the border.
And if they do this, based on the fact that they've shown it to be intentional, they need to be arrested for biological warfare. They are wilfilly taking a calculated risk that could make people die. An easy solution is to check everyone who enters just like they do at airports. If you have an elevated temperature you can't get in
If you want trump to win you would support cancelling these rallies like every other country around the globe is doing, cancelling large events.. How do you think its going to help the election, if he holds a rally in milwaukee, and then a few days later the infection count in milwaukee shoots up, people will blame trump. He has to cancel.
No I want Trump's economy to win and the only way to do that is to suffocate all this panic. Idiots are going to blame him no matter what he does so lets get confidence back in the market.
Do you want an actual answer or are you just concern trolling?
The actual answer is that Italy's average age is 8 years older than the US. The average age of the people who died from coronavirus there was EIGHTY ONE. Most of them also had preexisting conditions.
H1N1 was estimated to have infected 21% of the global population. Infection rates of a virus where over 80% of those infected show only minor symptoms isn't exactly the end of the world. The actual mortality rate is estimated to be under 1% overall and if you factor out those advanced in age or with compromised immune systems, the mortality rate is right in line with the flu.
Obviously it wont be as bad as H1N1, but that doesn't mean it will be fine.
Yes the mortality rates are higher in Italy because the average age is higher, but even if you take the country with the most testing and lowest death rate South Korea, which has a death rate of 0.7%, it is worse than the flu given it has an average death rate of 0.1%. You have to remember it's a novel virus which we have not been exposed to before, the flu, although it varies each year, is not novel. We have some immunity to it.
Tell me, why will the US fare better than Denmark, Germany, France, Spain etc. In terms of spread and death rate? They all have massive community spread and their hospitals are running out of ICU beds. Tell me how often does the flu cause ICUs around the world to be overrun with 5 times the number of people in need than beds available?
Tell me how often does the flu cause ICUs around the world to be overrun with 5 times the number of people in need than beds available?
Well, it's not happening right now so I'm not sure why you are even bringing it up right now. Once again, this is why you are a spreading false information that is driving the fearmongering. You are just as bad as the media and you need to realize this.
Look at what you just did, you just fucking completely dismissed the facts that we know right now based on actual information and instead chose to vomit out the fearmongering bullshit that is being spewed out by the media that pretends we're seeing the worst case scenario right now when we absolutely aren't.
Right now, there are 127,863 confirmed cases globally. You are sitting there lying to me that somehow even if we have the 20% rate of hospitalization which is the worst case scenario, that we don't have ~25,000 beds globally? Horse shit.
So, tell me how the fuck you aren't just a fearmongering piece of shit? Why do you feel like you can fucking ignore the facts and spout off the lying garbage that you are pushing out?
And don't you dare dismiss the facts that I'm presenting again because it just makes your comments worse.
Nothing, but most pedes here apparently are too conceited to see 1) crazy Bernie bros doing just that 2) the stupid high transmission rate this thing has.
Even if youre young and healthy, the transmission rate alone will guarantee you pass it to someone who's elderly and weak.
Yes. Seriously, these rallies should not be cancelled. They're a big reason why this virus just happened to appear right now.
A few rules wouldn't hurt, like no handshaking with POTUS this time. Just wave or do the Vulcan salute (live long & prosper!) Maybe give all attendees a little bottle of hand sanitizer.
And it would be sensible for anyone in a high risk group to stay home this time. Otherwise? No. Keep the rallies going! The virus will spread anyway. Just take some precautions as advised and live your life.
Imagine if each state trump holds a rally, the case counts goes up compared to states he didnt have a rally in. Is having the rally worth the risk of him being linked to the virus spreading?
Yeah, but those are just confirmed cases. An unknown (but probably large, given how infectious it is) number of people with corona don't know they have it, are never tested, and recover normally. So it's less than 2.9% for sure.
It is probably less than 2.9%, or most likely yeah. Looking at South korea where they have done the most testing of any country, it shows a death rate of at least 0.7% though. That means it is 7 times more deadly than the common flu.
And remember, with the common flu, there are just as many cases which go unreported and not counted as there are with corona, many people who have the flu just feel a bit feverish and carry on with their day
And remember, with the common flu, there are just as many cases which go unreported and not counted as there are with corona, many people who have the flu just feel a bit feverish and carry on with their day
This is true, which is why when you look at the flu death rate, it's based on estimated cases, not confirmed cases. Anytime you are only using confirmed cases you're going to get a higher mortality rate. Most flu cases are not confirmed.
Yeah, so you can compare the two then? Its most likely at least 5 times worse than the flu, south korea have tested 100s of thousands and they report a death rate 7 times higher than the flu. Unless there is way more unconfirmed cases than there are with the flu ...
We do not know the death rate for coronavirus. We only know the death rate from confirmed cases. We do not know how many people are getting it, recovering, and never knowing they had it. Therefore we cannot (yet) know the death rate. Maybe we'll get a better handle on it in the future.
The death rate from confirmed cases in places where the healthcare system is inadequate is even higher. Again, that is not necessarily due to the nature of the virus, it's likely due to the nature of the outbreak in that particular place/region.
We just don't know a whole lot yet. But because it is so infectious, the odds are high that a large number of people will have it and never know it, and will certainly never be tested.
Turning fruits into vegetables.
God I havent laughed that good in a while.
This is so good that I can't even right now.
Mike "If you like cock you're in for a shock" Pence
Community spread of COVID-19 in the US is limited to Santa Clara (aka Silicon Valley) and Seattle (aka almost Redmond, Microsoft)?
My man Pence is keeping up on current events, he's large and in charge. You bring the salt and he'll provide the battery.
Attach directly to nipples and apply current until sane.
Corona virus is pansexual.
Better if it said as a treatment for TDS. For Coronavirus I don’t really get the joke, and looks kinda like a failed attempt to meme by the left.
I agree. It's pretty low energy.
Nah, it's self-effacing. The Left never does anything like that.
I see what you did there.
It's still nothingburger. Despite the collective freakout.
Two weeks top. Then they will be back to Trump tax returns.
It is so maddening that a big old nothing can tank the fuck out of our economy like this.
You can thank the media for that one.
Maddening and frightening.
Sigh. Some people will never understand about mortality rates.
It's brilliant imagery. Get ahead of all the hysterical mischaracterization of the Veep ahead of debates.
Sweet Jesus. 😂
Mike "take it in the ass, face Zeus' wrath" Pence.
Dual purpose treatment.
Line forms behind that Buttigieg fella
Ha ha, Brian Stelter. These things aren't going on your fingers.
Want gov health care libs? Here ya go! 😆
Is there a treatment? did i miss something?
Yes
Chicken soup and rest.
You're correct, Italy is older population and their death rate from this thing hit 6% today. It's not a joke for the older pedes at all.
Maybe it doesn't work so well for you but it is and always has been the only treatment for the flu.
There are several treatments currently being tested, at least two are showing positive results. Lopinavir and chloriquine are among them. There's a vaccine in phase 1 study right now (libs literally retarded saying vaccines can't be released in months), while there appear to be four other treatments that are being tested with positive results. Source
KEK
They need to learn that 0bama caused this by selling China the virus (made at UNC).
Spicy
The Milwaukee rally needs to be canceled, I love our GEOTUS but he and his team need to start getting ahead of this treat it like war time event.
There are downsides with cancelling. The panic will get worse. I think the panic is hurting much more than the virus right now.
On the flip side, that one idiot who went to CPAC infected could have infected our entire federal government. What is preventing one idiot from out of state going to this rally and infecting almost everybody?
It's a tough call.
You say the panic is hurting, I dont actually think that is a bad thing. Italy didnt panic because the virus had only been in china at the point it hit them and it spread all over their entire country. I'm not trying to argue, but what do you think the difference is between the US and Italy in terms of stopping the spread of the virus? Would you rather people panic, or the virus spreads ? surely stopping the virus is the main goal. look at italy, with the entire country on lockdown.
I would rather the virus spreads just like every other cold and flu and that the panic would stop tanking our economy. This is no different than any other winter except for the panic.
What actually happened in Italy though?
We know that the virus has a significantly higher mortality rate among people who are older or have compromised immune systems. Do you know what the average age of those who have died from Coronavirus in Italy is? EIGHTY ONE. Yes, 81 years old. Many of them having additional conditions.
The goal isn't stopping the virus. That's like saying we should stop the flu virus. Yeah, that's a great pipe dream but it's not going to happen. What we should focus on is the understanding who is most at risk and how those people can minimize that risk.
When you start cancelling events and pretending that everything outside the house is the end of the world, you incite panic. You get people fighting over fucking toilet paper. Is that really the best response that we want out of people?
The goal is mitigation of the virus and reducing the spread, that is all we can do. This has been demonstrated possible in South Korea where their case count which was initially growing exponentially has started to reduce, when they closed all schools, colleges etc. Basically every country in europe has begun closing its schools, colleges, and non-essential workplaces. Its bound to happen in the US too. Why do you think the US is different, what is it that makes it any different to Europe?
And then what happens when you open those schools, colleges and event back up? The infection spreads again.
What I don't get is people saying 'its not that high, there are shit loads of people who have it and dont know so they aren't counted' but isnt that the same with the common flu? You can have the common flu and still go to work, and just feel a bit feverish, right? Or am I wrong? If you can also have symptoms of the flu and feel fine, it DOES have a far higher death rate. At that point, you can compare the two death rates.
What you're describing is a far LOWER death rate. More infected, same number of deaths = lower mortality rate.
Yes. And I am saying that the same thing can be said of the common flu, there are more infected than the numbers suggest. So the two death rates can be compared. And that means that coronavirus has a far higher death rate than the flu. I'm not saying Covid-19 has a high death rate, im saying it has a high death when you compare it to the flu
But not pumping as much toilet paper as some people would like.
This could all be a big scam by Big Toilet Paper to cause a run on their products, raking in the profits...
lol. A way for big TP (don't get excite Warren I didn't say teepee) to sell off that single ply that's been rotting in a warehouse ever since we stopped arresting so many illegals at the border.
I want to see TP pranks and TP Halloween costumes!
And if they do this, based on the fact that they've shown it to be intentional, they need to be arrested for biological warfare. They are wilfilly taking a calculated risk that could make people die. An easy solution is to check everyone who enters just like they do at airports. If you have an elevated temperature you can't get in
It’s been 1 week.
If you want trump to win you would support cancelling these rallies like every other country around the globe is doing, cancelling large events.. How do you think its going to help the election, if he holds a rally in milwaukee, and then a few days later the infection count in milwaukee shoots up, people will blame trump. He has to cancel.
No I want Trump's economy to win and the only way to do that is to suffocate all this panic. Idiots are going to blame him no matter what he does so lets get confidence back in the market.
Ill remind you of this comment in a week
A few weeks ago US was barely 100 cases. Now it's 1,000. It doubles each 7 days in most countries. How do we not understand this?
u/CovfefeAndDoughnuts/ care to explain why the US will not be the exact same as italy in a few weeks ?
Do you want an actual answer or are you just concern trolling?
The actual answer is that Italy's average age is 8 years older than the US. The average age of the people who died from coronavirus there was EIGHTY ONE. Most of them also had preexisting conditions.
H1N1 was estimated to have infected 21% of the global population. Infection rates of a virus where over 80% of those infected show only minor symptoms isn't exactly the end of the world. The actual mortality rate is estimated to be under 1% overall and if you factor out those advanced in age or with compromised immune systems, the mortality rate is right in line with the flu.
Obviously it wont be as bad as H1N1, but that doesn't mean it will be fine. Yes the mortality rates are higher in Italy because the average age is higher, but even if you take the country with the most testing and lowest death rate South Korea, which has a death rate of 0.7%, it is worse than the flu given it has an average death rate of 0.1%. You have to remember it's a novel virus which we have not been exposed to before, the flu, although it varies each year, is not novel. We have some immunity to it. Tell me, why will the US fare better than Denmark, Germany, France, Spain etc. In terms of spread and death rate? They all have massive community spread and their hospitals are running out of ICU beds. Tell me how often does the flu cause ICUs around the world to be overrun with 5 times the number of people in need than beds available?
Well, it's not happening right now so I'm not sure why you are even bringing it up right now. Once again, this is why you are a spreading false information that is driving the fearmongering. You are just as bad as the media and you need to realize this.
Look at what you just did, you just fucking completely dismissed the facts that we know right now based on actual information and instead chose to vomit out the fearmongering bullshit that is being spewed out by the media that pretends we're seeing the worst case scenario right now when we absolutely aren't.
Right now, there are 127,863 confirmed cases globally. You are sitting there lying to me that somehow even if we have the 20% rate of hospitalization which is the worst case scenario, that we don't have ~25,000 beds globally? Horse shit.
So, tell me how the fuck you aren't just a fearmongering piece of shit? Why do you feel like you can fucking ignore the facts and spout off the lying garbage that you are pushing out?
And don't you dare dismiss the facts that I'm presenting again because it just makes your comments worse.
It’s been 1 week.
Nothing, but most pedes here apparently are too conceited to see 1) crazy Bernie bros doing just that 2) the stupid high transmission rate this thing has.
Even if youre young and healthy, the transmission rate alone will guarantee you pass it to someone who's elderly and weak.
Could you be any more of a concern troll than you are right now?
Get a grip dude. This is exactly that type of fearmongering that we're trying to get away from.
No one knows anything about the transmission rate. We don't even know how it spreads
Low energy. We'll have rallies if we want, you can fuck off.
Yes. Seriously, these rallies should not be cancelled. They're a big reason why this virus just happened to appear right now.
A few rules wouldn't hurt, like no handshaking with POTUS this time. Just wave or do the Vulcan salute (live long & prosper!) Maybe give all attendees a little bottle of hand sanitizer.
And it would be sensible for anyone in a high risk group to stay home this time. Otherwise? No. Keep the rallies going! The virus will spread anyway. Just take some precautions as advised and live your life.
Imagine if each state trump holds a rally, the case counts goes up compared to states he didnt have a rally in. Is having the rally worth the risk of him being linked to the virus spreading?
Lol. There are 1,000 cases in the U.S. - 29 deaths. So the death rate here 0.2% is pretty much in line with the flu at 0.1%.
Yawn.
Wake me up when we're back to "muh tax returns"
You also have to account for the fact that 19 of the deaths are from a single old folks home.
Yeah, but those are just confirmed cases. An unknown (but probably large, given how infectious it is) number of people with corona don't know they have it, are never tested, and recover normally. So it's less than 2.9% for sure.
It is probably less than 2.9%, or most likely yeah. Looking at South korea where they have done the most testing of any country, it shows a death rate of at least 0.7% though. That means it is 7 times more deadly than the common flu. And remember, with the common flu, there are just as many cases which go unreported and not counted as there are with corona, many people who have the flu just feel a bit feverish and carry on with their day
This is true, which is why when you look at the flu death rate, it's based on estimated cases, not confirmed cases. Anytime you are only using confirmed cases you're going to get a higher mortality rate. Most flu cases are not confirmed.
Yeah, so you can compare the two then? Its most likely at least 5 times worse than the flu, south korea have tested 100s of thousands and they report a death rate 7 times higher than the flu. Unless there is way more unconfirmed cases than there are with the flu ...
We do not know the death rate for coronavirus. We only know the death rate from confirmed cases. We do not know how many people are getting it, recovering, and never knowing they had it. Therefore we cannot (yet) know the death rate. Maybe we'll get a better handle on it in the future.
The death rate from confirmed cases in places where the healthcare system is inadequate is even higher. Again, that is not necessarily due to the nature of the virus, it's likely due to the nature of the outbreak in that particular place/region.
We just don't know a whole lot yet. But because it is so infectious, the odds are high that a large number of people will have it and never know it, and will certainly never be tested.