Infowars said Italy might have a different strain that kills 5%, so that'd explain the Europe ban. The Dems will still try to spread things so be prepared.
I'll say this until I'm blue in the face or people stop listening:
Stop. Paying. Attention. To. The. Mortality. Rate.
The only people confirmed to have COVID are those who were tested. Of those tested and confirmed X% have died. We do not know how many had it and survived. We do not know what % of the population had it. As an example, the CDC says 134 million people had the flu in the US this season.
Now do you think that 134 million people actually went, had blood tests done, then had their results sent to the CDC lab for secondary testing and that's how they came up with their numbers? Or do you think that tens of millions of people went to their doctor with a cough and a fever and the doctor wrote "flu" in their chart and prescribed them cold medicine and three days off work?
We can't make assumptions on mortality until we understand more about how this thing spreads.
Correct. And actually this helps the stock market in the medium term.
By calling the media's bluff, he's going to force them off the story. By forcing them off the story, baseless panic will start to subside. Markets will correct.
I agree. I'm actually somewhat torn on his response to this whole thing, but seeing as I'm not president I don't even know a tenth of the information he does and I don't have access to a tenth of the professional advice that he does.
Bottom line - I'm a Trump supporter and I trust that he has surrounded himself with people who can give him good advice on this situation. I can make layman's guesses on what's the right response, but I'm not being supplied by some "disaster preparation" company to sell pandemic food supply kits so I won't really pretend to give anyone advice.
It is also possible that some may not even have gone to a dr...just went to the drug store and bought otc meds and stayed home sick a few days..no one really knows.
This is what I've been arguing for weeks now and nobody fucking listens. I'd wager about 95% of people don't go to the doctor when they have a cold or a fever. They call into work, chug some Campbells chicken noodle, and then are back the next day.
My stepmom had a major flu for about a week this year before she finally gave in and went to see the doctor. My dad had the same flu for three weeks. Most people just buy some dayquil and call it a night. How many of these people had coronavirus already and were never diagnosed? I know that (before all of this news) I would have never gone to the doctor because I had a cough and the chills for a couple of days.
If anything, the current mortality rate is comforting because it is highly likely to be overly inflated. Given the current media drive to fear monger on top of that, and I wouldn’t doubt this could even end up being less deadly than the worst of flus. The bottom end of the mortality estimate is still just ‘the flu’, and that’s at an inflated level being pushed by people trying to inflate it.
Or do you think that tens of millions of people went to their doctor with a cough and a fever and the doctor wrote "flu" in their chart and prescribed them cold medicine and three days off work?
I don't know but a couple years ago when I had the flu the NP stuck a Q-tip up my nose and they tested it on site for flu.
Do we have a breakdown of the number of infections in Italy by age group? I have a theory that communal drinking from the cup at the end of mass spread the shit out of the disease, and the demographics of people that still attend Catholic mass AND drink from the cup (not just eat the waiffer) skew MUCH older than the broader population. So if a higher percentage of older people are catching it vs the non Italy index, and the death rate for older folks is much higher than younger folks, the disease will appear to have a higher overall death rate.
So there we go. Once you dig into the numbers, the whole thing blows up.
If you're 70+ with an underlying condition, maybe lay low until mid April. Why the rest of the fucking world needs to come to a screechinh halt over this shit is beyond me.
"Why the rest of the fucking world needs to come to a screechinh halt over this shit is beyond me."
Socialist medicine, that's why.
The hospitals literally cannot handle the numbers even as they currently are. Italy is choosing who lives and who dies simply because an oxygen mask is enough to save someones life, and they don't have enough.
If the infection rate curve is too high, it surpasses capacity of government run healthcare, and people die. Lots of people die. For comparison, italy has about 90x more hospital beds per capita than Canada.
The world hoax organization isn't worried about the disease, they are worried about the house of cards medical system collapsing on itself, and even worse, people might notice.
Infowars said Italy might have a different strain that kills 5%, so that'd explain the Europe ban. The Dems will still try to spread things so be prepared.
I'll say this until I'm blue in the face or people stop listening:
Stop. Paying. Attention. To. The. Mortality. Rate.
The only people confirmed to have COVID are those who were tested. Of those tested and confirmed X% have died. We do not know how many had it and survived. We do not know what % of the population had it. As an example, the CDC says 134 million people had the flu in the US this season.
Now do you think that 134 million people actually went, had blood tests done, then had their results sent to the CDC lab for secondary testing and that's how they came up with their numbers? Or do you think that tens of millions of people went to their doctor with a cough and a fever and the doctor wrote "flu" in their chart and prescribed them cold medicine and three days off work?
We can't make assumptions on mortality until we understand more about how this thing spreads.
Good point, but Trump is being cautious because millions of bodies would give the MSM more damaging attacks than a weaker economy.
Correct. And actually this helps the stock market in the medium term.
By calling the media's bluff, he's going to force them off the story. By forcing them off the story, baseless panic will start to subside. Markets will correct.
I agree. I'm actually somewhat torn on his response to this whole thing, but seeing as I'm not president I don't even know a tenth of the information he does and I don't have access to a tenth of the professional advice that he does.
Bottom line - I'm a Trump supporter and I trust that he has surrounded himself with people who can give him good advice on this situation. I can make layman's guesses on what's the right response, but I'm not being supplied by some "disaster preparation" company to sell pandemic food supply kits so I won't really pretend to give anyone advice.
It is also possible that some may not even have gone to a dr...just went to the drug store and bought otc meds and stayed home sick a few days..no one really knows.
This is what I've been arguing for weeks now and nobody fucking listens. I'd wager about 95% of people don't go to the doctor when they have a cold or a fever. They call into work, chug some Campbells chicken noodle, and then are back the next day.
My stepmom had a major flu for about a week this year before she finally gave in and went to see the doctor. My dad had the same flu for three weeks. Most people just buy some dayquil and call it a night. How many of these people had coronavirus already and were never diagnosed? I know that (before all of this news) I would have never gone to the doctor because I had a cough and the chills for a couple of days.
If anything, the current mortality rate is comforting because it is highly likely to be overly inflated. Given the current media drive to fear monger on top of that, and I wouldn’t doubt this could even end up being less deadly than the worst of flus. The bottom end of the mortality estimate is still just ‘the flu’, and that’s at an inflated level being pushed by people trying to inflate it.
I don't know but a couple years ago when I had the flu the NP stuck a Q-tip up my nose and they tested it on site for flu.
To your point, they actively resist testing people unless they have severe symptoms.
Do we have a breakdown of the number of infections in Italy by age group? I have a theory that communal drinking from the cup at the end of mass spread the shit out of the disease, and the demographics of people that still attend Catholic mass AND drink from the cup (not just eat the waiffer) skew MUCH older than the broader population. So if a higher percentage of older people are catching it vs the non Italy index, and the death rate for older folks is much higher than younger folks, the disease will appear to have a higher overall death rate.
Any stats geeks have the cross tabs?
So there we go. Once you dig into the numbers, the whole thing blows up.
If you're 70+ with an underlying condition, maybe lay low until mid April. Why the rest of the fucking world needs to come to a screechinh halt over this shit is beyond me.
Exactly. As with most panic-related media, you can't go very far into the numbers before they all fall apart.
"Why the rest of the fucking world needs to come to a screechinh halt over this shit is beyond me."
Socialist medicine, that's why.
The hospitals literally cannot handle the numbers even as they currently are. Italy is choosing who lives and who dies simply because an oxygen mask is enough to save someones life, and they don't have enough.
If the infection rate curve is too high, it surpasses capacity of government run healthcare, and people die. Lots of people die. For comparison, italy has about 90x more hospital beds per capita than Canada.
The world hoax organization isn't worried about the disease, they are worried about the house of cards medical system collapsing on itself, and even worse, people might notice.
Very plausible.