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Welcome to Gen-X. We used to do this to each other as kids all the time, except we did "pee pee in your coke" and we pulled our eyes to make them slanted.
We also did, "Chinese Japanese, What are these?" by slanting our eyes up then down then opposite directions.
I remember when we used to try to rate each other by how red our necks were.
I membah "Chinky Chinky China, Sittin on a Fence, Trying to make a dollar outta 15 cents"...don't even remember the point of it, just remember saying that with a group of kids in the early 80s...
I heard the Coronavirus had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton. So don't worry the coronavirus will be dead once it kills itself.
Was on the CDC website last night. H1N1 deaths in the USA in 2009 were 12,469. The number of hospitalizations was 274,300. Something is fucky here boys.
I saw the same thing. It was 2009. Obama’s first year in office. I barely recall hearing a word about it. They did not cancel Harvard and the USA Hockey nationals, or the NBA...
Something is very fucky.
Also, anyone notice Netflix has a new series out called Pandemic? Weird timing.
Are you okay with what's happening in Italy happening here? Or maybe you think it can't happen here. Okay, the virus is nothing and we're going to be fine and everybody needs to calm down. So why then did Trump just stop travel from Europe? Are you saying he's part of the panic?
So why then did Trump just stop travel from Europe? Are you saying he's part of the panic?
Yeah this is a good question for those who say this is a conspiracy. If it's a conspiracy - great let's support the President for doing what's needed even though it's hurting our economy and sticking it to globalists who bet he would crumple in the face of a viral hoax.
And if this thing is the real deal, there's zero upside from not taking this seriously.
Being rational and level-headed about an epidemic threat is not mutually exclusive with KAG, pedes
If you think about it, Trump taking this seriously will have the opposite effect on libshits. They're already blathering about his 'overreaction'. He knows they try to contradict literally everything his administration does.
80,000 people died of the flu in the USA in 2017-18 according to CDC. Italy has a low birthrate and very old population. How does what is happening in Italy today compare to the flu pandemic of 2017-18? I read 100,000 Italians died from flu that year but now can't find that data.
Angela Merkle the other day said 70% of the population was going to get Wuhan flu. The E.U. is globalist. The E.U. has been fanning the flames of fear and paranoia.
VSG can either confront them head on and dispute them or he can say "fine lets take you at your word, we had better shut our borders down to you then".
Complicated business. Could be more globalist or terrorist bioweapons being released, or just more deadly mutated strains because this Corona RNA virus can mutate faster than others.
I'm not saying everyone should panic, but saying this is no big deal is dumb, too. I bet people in Italy thought it was NBD a few weeks ago, too. Here's an excerpt from an article I read recently:
"When a danger is growing exponentially, everything looks fine until it doesn’t.
There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this: You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that on day two, you have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on.
Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?”
The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily pads are there.
The latest updates on the coronavirus
That grim math explains why so many people — including me — are worried about the novel coronavirus, which causes a disease known as covid-19. And why so many other people think we are panicking over nothing."
The truth is somewhere in the middle. There is a virus. Leftist media and governments are overstating the crisis to cause panic and fear. People who are scared are easier to manipulate.
I was just talking to a teacher at my daughter's school. A few years ago he worked in nursing home. A flu bug swept through the nursing home and killed 5 people in one week. We live in a village of 1,200 people.
Looking at utter and total panic and seeing through it is not NPC activity.
Halt travel from Europe? Recommend against non-essential travel? Encourage hand washing? Ok, these are prudent measures when dealing with a highly contagious virus.
Breathlessly reporting statistics that are taken out of context? Closing school districts and universities when there are TWO reported cases in your state? Encouraging a run on toilet paper of all fucking things in the world? Utter bullshit.
If this thing was as dangerous as the media implies, they'd spend their time trying to educate people on avoiding it. Instead, they bleed out their asses because the President used the word "foreign," and use every question, every segment, to criticize him. Their actions don't match their rhetoric - it's not an NPC move to notice that.
Let's say every man, woman, and child on earth - even the chicks with dicks - get the virus. The mortality rate won't be the 30% that you say is "likely." Whether you're a troll or not, it takes some balls for someone like you to call other people dumb fucks. Now run along.
South Korea death rate was 0.1%. What was Singapore and Taiwan's deathrate? The CDC estimates the death rate of between 0.1 and 1%. Where the fuck did you get 30% from? You are not thinking straight because you are scared.
My point is stop being scared and just look at the numbers. Ground yourself with reality. When you are scared the leftists can control you more easily. If you are scared to die you have already lost the battle.
I live in Canada our healthcare system on a good day is swamped. It is in a state of perpetual swamped.
I am happy we have finally found some common ground. Yes I agree there could be an increase in people who need ventilators and ICU beds. Even a moderate uptick will put my country's healthcare system under enormous strain.
The emotional denial I am seeing with this stuff is just stunning to me. Rush Limbaugh is sounding like a complete idiot, exactly like the "low information" people out there he (and I) complain about. And I'm not even predicting gloom and doom, I'm very hopeful that once the warmer weather hits, this coronavirus will just fade away or at least be reduced. But there's nothing wrong with preparing for a few months of limited mobility and stocking up on supplies. But god forbid you say you are doing that or you are mocked or looked at like some kind of radical alarmist. There is a very real potential here of our hospitals filling up, and if that happens things are going to get ugly. But at this point it is just potential, and that's it. But nothing wrong with being prepared for that. And ignore any data coming from china, who aren't just liars, they are professional liars. It's still a lot of unknown at this point. All we can do is monitor the data we can trust. A very real problem is that we simply aren't testing enough. I think the decision was made early on to slow walk the testing to prevent an outright panic and having the entire country rush out to stores and deplete them. The problem is that now because of limited testing the mortality rate is going to be higher than it really is, we are only testing the "worst cases". It might very well be that X% of this country already has it and doing fine. We just don't know.
I think President Trump is actually handling it well. If you read between the lines, he was telling people right from the get go that we need to be prepared, "just in case". He has health people out there telling us that this could be bad. At the same time, he has to prevent an outright panic from happening. Not to mention we have a presidential election coming up that is crucial to the future of our country. Can it get any worse for a president to handle? As in my cousin vinny, "can you possibly put any more shit on this pile for me to handle?" Or something like that. But in the end, we have the best healthcare in the world, we have geography to separate us, and warm weather is coming. But it would not surprise me at all if we shut down all airline travel domestically for 2 weeks.
Good post. I am always in the 'better safe than sorry' camp. I carry a gun almost everywhere. Some people would say I'm crazy and a gun freak or something. Will I ever have to use it? Odds are very low, but better to have it, just in case. One big thing with this virus is that there are still a lot of unknowns (or things are known, but they just aren't telling us to avoid a panic). I've read something like 80% of people will get over it just fine. That's great, but they say 20% of people could need medical intervention. If many, many people get it, 20% is a lot of people. Hospitals aren't capable of dealing with those kind of numbers.
So yeah, it could get very bad, like in Italy, or it might not, but it doesn't hurt to prepare, as long as we keep a cool head.
A very real problem is that we simply aren't testing enough"
I'm going to *debunk that leftwing propaganda talking point right here: The head of the CDC in his testimony yesterday said that the test kits that were provided by WHO were made by a university in Germany. Under American law the test kits would have to be approved by the FDA.
The decision was made by the CDC to make their own tests. Reason being it would be a faster process to make their own rather than test the German ones and then get the FDA approval.
Spez: I normally wouldn't use the word "debunk" and I've used here tongue in cheek.
We aren't testing enough, it's not "leftwing propaganda", it's just simple science and data. Whether they come from germany, the cdc, or the north pole, isn't the point, although of course the tests should be not faulty. Whose fault this is doesn't matter. The more people we test, the more data we have. The more data we have, the more facts we have, which is how you deal with "left wing propaganda". And the data would probably reveal that lots and lots of people have this virus and are fine, but because we haven't tested like this, we have a higher fatality rate, and we have caused more panic.
The virus itself really isn't that scary, especially if you are a younger, otherwise-healthy person. Most people get mild symptoms, a fever for a few days, and that's it. No worse than flu, gastroenteritis etc.
The main issue is that a sudden surge in cases will overwhelm medical services. Patients may require medical assistance, and sometimes even require ICU for a period of time. Those beds are limited. If there's a surge in cases, they need to decide who gets treated and who is left to die.
The second is the economic damage. Travel restrictions destroy all the airlines, hospitality and tourist industries. It also restricts trade. With schools cancelled, people stay home to look after kids. With businesses closed, everybody loses money. The government collects less taxes. Deficit and debt grows. Shares crash. All bad.
The third is the public panic. I am not scared of the virus, but I am a bit worried that public panic could happen. As soon as there is any sort of shortage (gas, food, drugs etc) there could easily be riots, violence etc. That could be compounded if large numbers of police, military, medical workers and other "front line" people can not work.
I listened to a live interview that our county health dept head md did recently. We have no positive cases just yet. She basically said it's only a matter of time before we have positive cases, and that the epidemic is coming. I'm listening to this on the radio shocked that someone is actually being honest. Then she goes on to say how actions are being taken to reduce the spread, (ie canceling public events) and that the hospitals are going to do their best to prevent a situation of them all being full, but that is going to be a very real possibility. Basically imploring people do not go to the er if you have the sniffles, save that for very serious cases. Now, none of this was repeated in the evening news broadcasts, she clearly said too much.
I had a school a mile away from my house go through a 2 week quarantine, never once reported in the news.
And yes, I'm not really worried about the virus, I'll probably get it and I'll probably be fine. My primary concern has always been other people like you said.
I tell people that I'm more worried about the flu, which is why I keep at least 2 weeks of supplies on hand. I'm also worried about earthquakes, floods, etc... and so I keep 3 months on hand, but I live in a big house and storing that much food and supplies it not an issue. The 3 months is 2 weeks for me and 2 weeks for 5 neighbors.
If our hospitals fill up maybe they won't be on the brink of bankruptcy any more.
Testing isn't effective if you don't already have pronounced symptoms. That's our biggest problem; asymptomatic carriers can't be taken out of circulation. Plus, we still don't know how this stuff spreads. Is it airborne? Whichever scientists created it should tell us.
Seeking medical attention is more likely to get you infected than it is to help. All a mask is good for is if you think you're infected, you'll spread it less. That one precaution might go a long way towards not overwhelming our medical capacity.
With all due respect, if you're asking this now it means you're many weeks behind.
Yes it's airborne, also present in food /water and fecal material, also lives on surfaces for hours. It has been found inside air ducts and air con systems. It can survive in the air for hours.
Yes, but these things don't follow exponential curves. They follow S-curves. There is a transition point between the exponential and the logarithmic behavior, and we're just as likely to have reached that point as not.
Sure. If it kept up at an exponential rate forever, almost everyone would be infected or dead at some point. The problem is, how long will it increase exponentially? No one knows.
No one knows for sure. But past similar outbreaks have followed a bell curve. This is affected by weather, and it is affected by changed behavior in response to the threat.
We do know what will happen if people self-quarantine and wash their hands.
We were worried about Ebola a while back. We had a couple of cases in the US. Turns out, if enough people wash their hands, Ebola can't survive. So Ebola died.
If enough people wash their hands in the US, then we'll hit the transition point sooner.
Practicing good hygiene and staying away from other people is about all we can do at the moment. Washing hands is good, but it's even better to not be exposed in the first place. I'm OK with all these mass cancellations. I'm a bit of a homebody anyway, so I don't care.
This isn't Ebola, and it's already spread all over. Some experts think at last half the world's population could eventually be infected. The other thing is, it's a novel virus, and we just don't know enough yet (or they aren't telling people). TBH, I'm not really that worried about getting it; I'm very worried for the older population, and people who are already sick, like cancer patients.
If you get worried and stressed, your immune system diminishes. There's something more to worry about.
The thing is the disease has to spread through entirely mechanical means. You have to have contact with material that has the virus, and the virus has to get into your body, and then the virus has to successfully survive your immune system. That's how you get the virus, but it's also the first step to getting sick from it. Some people can get the virus and not even feel slightly sick, and others only get mild symptoms, so mild we don't even know if they had it.
There are some seriously messed up viruses out there that at any moment could literally destroy the earth. Two of them -- the cold and the flu -- we're so used to dealing with and surviving that we barely give them a thought. It wasn't so long ago that the flu spread and killed millions upon millions world wide.
So if you want to worry about something, I'd worry about that. The coronavirus is new, of course, but we've already seen how it plays out in real life. It's a pretty much known quantity. The one aspect that we are having difficulty to wrap numbers around is the transmission rate, but if, as many suspect, this thing is mostly harmless, the transmission rate is going to be mostly irrelevant.
We're seeing it play out in real life in Italy. It's a bit of a big deal. This is not just the flu, and to say so is irresponsible. Let's wait a few more weeks and we'll see who is right.
Seriously. Its like half the people here dont understand how basic fucking math works. A week ago people were joking "Oh boy its 40 cases real big issue".
yes yes yes it will go higher exponentially until it peaks then declines. When it is finally over as a poster above said a graph of infections will look like a bellcurve.
What you mistake for our ignorance of math is in my case a strong background in statistics. you are focused on the exponential rise part of the bell graph.
None of us know for sure when the exponential rise in new cases will peak and then decline.
Bingo, this is extremely well coordinated. They finally found something to bring the markets down. it's our job to make sure Trump stomps on their faces come election time.
Are you sure he is taking the virus seriously or is he taking the whole situation seriously? I would include in the whole situation the economy and the panic?
Please note, I do think there is an actual virus that can be deadly, I just think it is waaaaay overblown and way overstated. I also think VSG takes the lives of American citizens seriously.
I agree entirely. POTUS is now having to deal with the media induced hysteria, which is designed to create fear and tank the economy. I'm glad POTUS gave the EU the big smackdown for failing to close their borders too.
taking the virus seriously or is he taking the whole situation seriously?
Both. He knows panic is bad, and he knows Americans need some reassurance. Public officials pretending this isn't dangerous does not reassure people. He is taking the warnings in gradual steps, so that reasonable people don't freak out.
The leftists that lose their snot when facts are mentioned are excluded of course.
Distancing, avoiding unnecessary travel, avoiding crowds and washing hands are the biggest things we can do now. If we had an adequate supply of masks, I believe POTUS would be advocating for people to use them - but we don't, so people would panic if he told them that.
If you consider how a parent breaks bad news to kids, then you will understand the position POTUS is approaching this from in order to keep Americans calm.
Panic only makes things worse. People thinking about distance and hand washing the same way they think about seat belts and not driving drunk is what we need.
Keep America Great
Keep America Healthy
President Trump will get us there, but we need to trust him on this, just as we trusted him with his reaction to Syria and Iraq.
Masks don't help much unless you're already infected, then you might spread it less. A hospital is the most likely place to get infected. It'd be great if masks were available upon entering any hospital or clinic, since most people are probably there thinking they have it.
Everyone should be prepared for a quarantine regardless. If you can't get to the store because the government forced them all closed, that's a big deal. Be prepared, stock up on at least a month's worth of non-perishables, don't be stupid.
To anybody still not taking COVID-19 seriously, I highly suggest you watch this Joe Rogan podcast from a couple days ago with Michael Osterholm. This is the guy who investigates outbreaks to find their origins and to prevent future ones, and in the first five minutes he gets right to the point.
Keep downplaying and making jokes if you want, but you’re going to feel really stupid when the shit finally hits the fan (and it will).
What I’m watching for is what happens next fall/winter with this virus. Currently the main targets of this virus are elderly and immune compromised. That is nothing to discount, but if you’re healthy and young the odds are you will be fine. Just look out for any vulnerable people in your life.
The Spanish Flu in it's second wave took out younger people with cytokine storm. If this virus does similar that will be a real shit hits the fan scenario.
I watched it and I think that guy (although he's considered an expert) is way off. I searched the internet for other stuff from Osterholm. He was quite calm and collected at this point during previous outbreaks. He also hedges his bets. I didn't find him very convincing. He doesn't have any better info from China than the rest of us, so how can he investigate the origins? And how good has he been at preventing future outbreaks? From the evidence, not very.
Remember, tenured experts NEVER suffer any downside from outsized prognostication. If challenged later, they just say "abundance of caution" and all that.
Where are the mass child deaths? The CDC reports the child death rate is reletively uncommon.
State run media doesn't want us to know it's mostly the sick and elderly who are at risk of death.
I'm not a gambling man but I bet knowing the Clintons is alot more dangerous. All joking aside please be safe out there. This is still dangerous and we all need to vote in November... trump 2020
LMFAO YEP! Ilhan Omar the Iranian spy said calling a virus by it’s location is racist even tho every virus in history has been called based of where it came from aka the African Ebola virus named after the big river where it originated and the German Swine Flu
its the flu people!! the fact that people are losing their shit over the flu makes me understand why the government won't be truthful about ufo's and alien visits.... this flu panic is a small indication of how the public would indeed panic.....
Sweet! I didn't even think to look that up just assumed it would be somewhere else. See I don't even have to worry about the virus because I'm already dead from all these things.
Way I see it, everybody will eventually get exposed to it.
The real issue here is how we individually deal with it, for the vast majority of people, it's a bad cold/flu, you will get over it pretty quickly, so apart from a week or so of feeling like crap, no big deal.
The problem is for the people who are already suffering something, be that respiratory problems, being on immunosuppressants, etc. then it's a whole different matter, only look at the care home on Washington shows this.
I'm not saying that it's not dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying health conditions. But something was clearly very different about that Washington care home. Probably not useful as an example of the future.
I'm really starting to wonder if this is being stocked up into a hysterical scare for some ulterior motives. It's something to take seriously but it's not anywhere near as serious as it's being made out to be.
I work in a very public setting, I'm surrounded by people all day long. All I'm doing is washing my hands a bit more and avoiding handrails etc... The media is hyping this thing up like it's the next plague. They needed something, anything to crash the economy and they found it. Hopefully, once summer hits and the virus calms down a bit things will start roaring again and this bites them in the ass.
Take into consideration that it appears to have peaked and infection rates are on the decline in South Korea. Singapore appears to in good shape. President Xi was in Wuhan the other day and they are getting less than 10 new cases a day.
It is important to remember that the infection and death rates are not linear and they are not correlated to one another.
Asian countries seem to be getting good results with heavy medical response. Don't believe China though. I can't count the number of citizens contradiction the communist party narrative.
Europe's more laissez faire open borders approach will probably end up with all of Europe looking like Italy, which is why Trump stopped travel. It's really too late though and the US is going to be hit hard.
Leaderless Canada is doing half the US's measures a week later and it's not going to be good in spite of lower population density and less travel.
No idea what is going on with Mexico. It's hard to believe their numbers. They're probably just chalking deaths up to natural causes or the flu, because either way it's a nice change from being murdered by cartels.
For the flu in 2019-2020, there have been 52,000 deaths out of 49,000,000 cases, which is a fatality rate of 0.1%
The current global average fatality rate of the Wuhan virus is 3.4% according to the WHO, which is 34 times that of the flu. The Wuhan virus appears to be more contagious than the flu. If half the country catches the Wuhan virus, 3.4% of 150,000,000 is 5,100,000 Americans dead. Even if the same number of people get it as the flu, 3.4% of 49,000,000 is 1,666,000 dead. Those are the potential stakes for our country. The good news is that the real fatality rate in the US will probably be lower than that. It's 0.6% in South Korea, 2.3% in China, and 4% so far in the US. The number seems to go down as more people are tested, so the US number should lower soon since we caught it recently. Also, the US and South Korea have good medical resources, which are a big factor in lowering fatality, as ventilators are the only way to keep the hardest hit patients alive. Countries have a limited number of ventilators. Italy currently has all their ventilators occupied and their fatality rate is 5%. It is very contagious, and we need to avoid a situation where all of our ventilators are occupied, or the fatality rate will increase. This was likely the case in Wuhan, which saw the majority of cases in China. A recent report from WHO found that the fatality rate was 5.8% in Wuhan, compared with 0.7% in the rest of the country. Because of that, we need to slow the spread of the Wuhan virus to the point that it doesn't exceed the capacity of our healthcare system at any given time. This should be taken seriously and measures need to be implemented to slow the spread, which Trump is doing bigly, but no one needs to panic.
I think you are overreacting a bit, but you arent really wrong. This whole site in general has been treating this virus like nothing more than a political opportunity for the left, which it is, but that isnt giving credit to the fact that if left uncontained this virus could do serious damage.
Even assuming the lower end of the estimated death rate at 1%, thats so much higher than the flu. Younger people will be fine but does no one here have old parents or grandparents? Does no one here have relatives with pre existing conditions? My mom has been dealing with ALS for a few years and this would almost certainly kill her.
I just don't see how this is being treated as a joke when it has a very real possibility of getting worse before it gets better.
Me Chinese, me play joke, me put CV in your coke.
Would that be nose coke or throat coke? There's a big difference.
Both, they brought in fentanyl which helps terrorists.
i actually laughed out loud at this, i love it.
Welcome to Gen-X. We used to do this to each other as kids all the time, except we did "pee pee in your coke" and we pulled our eyes to make them slanted.
We also did, "Chinese Japanese, What are these?" by slanting our eyes up then down then opposite directions.
I remember when we used to try to rate each other by how red our necks were.
I forgot about this! In my neighborhood it was Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these...
We would do our eyes, then touch our knees, then pull our shirt out to make boobs,
I forgot about this. Reminds me of 1982. I'm going to go watch Dukes of Hazzard now and later tonight I'm going to watch some Magnum P.I.
I membah "Chinky Chinky China, Sittin on a Fence, Trying to make a dollar outta 15 cents"...don't even remember the point of it, just remember saying that with a group of kids in the early 80s...
Oh baby, jush you hush your mouf.
Me Chinese, Me Achoo, Me give you the Wuhan flu
You won
Actually one of these things is many times deadlier than the other.
Yes, falling coconuts are nothing to mess with.
It's how most Clinton enemies commit suicide.
Two coconuts to the back of the head. Must have been suicide.
hahaha!
Jesus Christ, vampire koala.
"It's so cute, I'm going to catch it!" <dies>
I heard the Coronavirus had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton. So don't worry the coronavirus will be dead once it kills itself.
Was on the CDC website last night. H1N1 deaths in the USA in 2009 were 12,469. The number of hospitalizations was 274,300. Something is fucky here boys.
I saw the same thing. It was 2009. Obama’s first year in office. I barely recall hearing a word about it. They did not cancel Harvard and the USA Hockey nationals, or the NBA...
Something is very fucky.
Also, anyone notice Netflix has a new series out called Pandemic? Weird timing.
Are you okay with what's happening in Italy happening here? Or maybe you think it can't happen here. Okay, the virus is nothing and we're going to be fine and everybody needs to calm down. So why then did Trump just stop travel from Europe? Are you saying he's part of the panic?
Yeah this is a good question for those who say this is a conspiracy. If it's a conspiracy - great let's support the President for doing what's needed even though it's hurting our economy and sticking it to globalists who bet he would crumple in the face of a viral hoax.
And if this thing is the real deal, there's zero upside from not taking this seriously.
Being rational and level-headed about an epidemic threat is not mutually exclusive with KAG, pedes
If you think about it, Trump taking this seriously will have the opposite effect on libshits. They're already blathering about his 'overreaction'. He knows they try to contradict literally everything his administration does.
80,000 people died of the flu in the USA in 2017-18 according to CDC. Italy has a low birthrate and very old population. How does what is happening in Italy today compare to the flu pandemic of 2017-18? I read 100,000 Italians died from flu that year but now can't find that data.
Angela Merkle the other day said 70% of the population was going to get Wuhan flu. The E.U. is globalist. The E.U. has been fanning the flames of fear and paranoia.
VSG can either confront them head on and dispute them or he can say "fine lets take you at your word, we had better shut our borders down to you then".
And in 2018 it was 900,000 and 80,000. In Italy it was 8.5 million!
Italy was 8.5 million what. H1N1
8.5 milllion infected close to 100,000 deaths. Flu in 2017-18
80,000 deaths from flu in USA during 2017-18 flu season according to CDC (your post made me go look up some more data).
Got it. Funny I don't recall anyone with a scorecard then.
Complicated business. Could be more globalist or terrorist bioweapons being released, or just more deadly mutated strains because this Corona RNA virus can mutate faster than others.
I'm not saying everyone should panic, but saying this is no big deal is dumb, too. I bet people in Italy thought it was NBD a few weeks ago, too. Here's an excerpt from an article I read recently:
"When a danger is growing exponentially, everything looks fine until it doesn’t.
There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this: You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that on day two, you have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on.
Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?”
The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily pads are there.
The latest updates on the coronavirus
That grim math explains why so many people — including me — are worried about the novel coronavirus, which causes a disease known as covid-19. And why so many other people think we are panicking over nothing."
The truth is somewhere in the middle. There is a virus. Leftist media and governments are overstating the crisis to cause panic and fear. People who are scared are easier to manipulate.
I was just talking to a teacher at my daughter's school. A few years ago he worked in nursing home. A flu bug swept through the nursing home and killed 5 people in one week. We live in a village of 1,200 people.
Perspective and context has gone out the window.
And right media is downplaying. Both sides need to get their shit together and just say facts.
It certainly has. Doesn't help that we fail to teach anything resembling it in schools.
There is a lot of over and under stating going around. It is what it is.
If you had in the same time period an additional two to five times that happening then you might be more concerned.
If my Aunty had balls she would be my Uncle.
A favorite saying of my dad's. Still applies even in clown world.
In this case it's not so much of an if as it is a when.
I don't think the TDS mortality rate is that high.
Looking at utter and total panic and seeing through it is not NPC activity.
Halt travel from Europe? Recommend against non-essential travel? Encourage hand washing? Ok, these are prudent measures when dealing with a highly contagious virus.
Breathlessly reporting statistics that are taken out of context? Closing school districts and universities when there are TWO reported cases in your state? Encouraging a run on toilet paper of all fucking things in the world? Utter bullshit.
If this thing was as dangerous as the media implies, they'd spend their time trying to educate people on avoiding it. Instead, they bleed out their asses because the President used the word "foreign," and use every question, every segment, to criticize him. Their actions don't match their rhetoric - it's not an NPC move to notice that.
Let's say every man, woman, and child on earth - even the chicks with dicks - get the virus. The mortality rate won't be the 30% that you say is "likely." Whether you're a troll or not, it takes some balls for someone like you to call other people dumb fucks. Now run along.
Of course it is. If it weren't a TDS issue you'd have everyone cooperating with the President. You're obviously seeing the opposite of that.
South Korea death rate was 0.1%. What was Singapore and Taiwan's deathrate? The CDC estimates the death rate of between 0.1 and 1%. Where the fuck did you get 30% from? You are not thinking straight because you are scared.
My point is stop being scared and just look at the numbers. Ground yourself with reality. When you are scared the leftists can control you more easily. If you are scared to die you have already lost the battle.
I live in Canada our healthcare system on a good day is swamped. It is in a state of perpetual swamped.
I am happy we have finally found some common ground. Yes I agree there could be an increase in people who need ventilators and ICU beds. Even a moderate uptick will put my country's healthcare system under enormous strain.
It most certainly is TDS. DJT. imposed a travel ban. It was immediately met with "resist."
Why??
at 40 days you’d have 5.49e11 lily pads so that’s a big f’n pond
DNC's ears perk up.
Chuck Schemer: "How can we register those lily pads to vote?"
Nancy Hypocrisy: "Lilly Patty, Lilah Padd, Lilli Padme, etc. We just need a few variations to have plausible deniability."
Mittens Wrongly: "Some of those voters could be living too!"
Or just really small lily pads, haha
The emotional denial I am seeing with this stuff is just stunning to me. Rush Limbaugh is sounding like a complete idiot, exactly like the "low information" people out there he (and I) complain about. And I'm not even predicting gloom and doom, I'm very hopeful that once the warmer weather hits, this coronavirus will just fade away or at least be reduced. But there's nothing wrong with preparing for a few months of limited mobility and stocking up on supplies. But god forbid you say you are doing that or you are mocked or looked at like some kind of radical alarmist. There is a very real potential here of our hospitals filling up, and if that happens things are going to get ugly. But at this point it is just potential, and that's it. But nothing wrong with being prepared for that. And ignore any data coming from china, who aren't just liars, they are professional liars. It's still a lot of unknown at this point. All we can do is monitor the data we can trust. A very real problem is that we simply aren't testing enough. I think the decision was made early on to slow walk the testing to prevent an outright panic and having the entire country rush out to stores and deplete them. The problem is that now because of limited testing the mortality rate is going to be higher than it really is, we are only testing the "worst cases". It might very well be that X% of this country already has it and doing fine. We just don't know.
I think President Trump is actually handling it well. If you read between the lines, he was telling people right from the get go that we need to be prepared, "just in case". He has health people out there telling us that this could be bad. At the same time, he has to prevent an outright panic from happening. Not to mention we have a presidential election coming up that is crucial to the future of our country. Can it get any worse for a president to handle? As in my cousin vinny, "can you possibly put any more shit on this pile for me to handle?" Or something like that. But in the end, we have the best healthcare in the world, we have geography to separate us, and warm weather is coming. But it would not surprise me at all if we shut down all airline travel domestically for 2 weeks.
Good post. I am always in the 'better safe than sorry' camp. I carry a gun almost everywhere. Some people would say I'm crazy and a gun freak or something. Will I ever have to use it? Odds are very low, but better to have it, just in case. One big thing with this virus is that there are still a lot of unknowns (or things are known, but they just aren't telling us to avoid a panic). I've read something like 80% of people will get over it just fine. That's great, but they say 20% of people could need medical intervention. If many, many people get it, 20% is a lot of people. Hospitals aren't capable of dealing with those kind of numbers.
So yeah, it could get very bad, like in Italy, or it might not, but it doesn't hurt to prepare, as long as we keep a cool head.
Yes. Unfortunately it's the other people's non-cool heads that you really need to worry about.
A very real problem is that we simply aren't testing enough"
I'm going to *debunk that leftwing propaganda talking point right here: The head of the CDC in his testimony yesterday said that the test kits that were provided by WHO were made by a university in Germany. Under American law the test kits would have to be approved by the FDA.
The decision was made by the CDC to make their own tests. Reason being it would be a faster process to make their own rather than test the German ones and then get the FDA approval.
Spez: I normally wouldn't use the word "debunk" and I've used here tongue in cheek.
In addition, some of the tests made by the CDC then turned out to be faulty. Back to square one.
We aren't testing enough, it's not "leftwing propaganda", it's just simple science and data. Whether they come from germany, the cdc, or the north pole, isn't the point, although of course the tests should be not faulty. Whose fault this is doesn't matter. The more people we test, the more data we have. The more data we have, the more facts we have, which is how you deal with "left wing propaganda". And the data would probably reveal that lots and lots of people have this virus and are fine, but because we haven't tested like this, we have a higher fatality rate, and we have caused more panic.
But oh yeah, this is just left wing propaganda.
Agree.
The virus itself really isn't that scary, especially if you are a younger, otherwise-healthy person. Most people get mild symptoms, a fever for a few days, and that's it. No worse than flu, gastroenteritis etc.
The main issue is that a sudden surge in cases will overwhelm medical services. Patients may require medical assistance, and sometimes even require ICU for a period of time. Those beds are limited. If there's a surge in cases, they need to decide who gets treated and who is left to die.
The second is the economic damage. Travel restrictions destroy all the airlines, hospitality and tourist industries. It also restricts trade. With schools cancelled, people stay home to look after kids. With businesses closed, everybody loses money. The government collects less taxes. Deficit and debt grows. Shares crash. All bad.
The third is the public panic. I am not scared of the virus, but I am a bit worried that public panic could happen. As soon as there is any sort of shortage (gas, food, drugs etc) there could easily be riots, violence etc. That could be compounded if large numbers of police, military, medical workers and other "front line" people can not work.
I listened to a live interview that our county health dept head md did recently. We have no positive cases just yet. She basically said it's only a matter of time before we have positive cases, and that the epidemic is coming. I'm listening to this on the radio shocked that someone is actually being honest. Then she goes on to say how actions are being taken to reduce the spread, (ie canceling public events) and that the hospitals are going to do their best to prevent a situation of them all being full, but that is going to be a very real possibility. Basically imploring people do not go to the er if you have the sniffles, save that for very serious cases. Now, none of this was repeated in the evening news broadcasts, she clearly said too much.
I had a school a mile away from my house go through a 2 week quarantine, never once reported in the news.
And yes, I'm not really worried about the virus, I'll probably get it and I'll probably be fine. My primary concern has always been other people like you said.
I tell people that I'm more worried about the flu, which is why I keep at least 2 weeks of supplies on hand. I'm also worried about earthquakes, floods, etc... and so I keep 3 months on hand, but I live in a big house and storing that much food and supplies it not an issue. The 3 months is 2 weeks for me and 2 weeks for 5 neighbors.
If our hospitals fill up maybe they won't be on the brink of bankruptcy any more.
Testing isn't effective if you don't already have pronounced symptoms. That's our biggest problem; asymptomatic carriers can't be taken out of circulation. Plus, we still don't know how this stuff spreads. Is it airborne? Whichever scientists created it should tell us.
Seeking medical attention is more likely to get you infected than it is to help. All a mask is good for is if you think you're infected, you'll spread it less. That one precaution might go a long way towards not overwhelming our medical capacity.
With all due respect, if you're asking this now it means you're many weeks behind.
Yes it's airborne, also present in food /water and fecal material, also lives on surfaces for hours. It has been found inside air ducts and air con systems. It can survive in the air for hours.
Nope. Others point out it's an aerosol.
False information abounds due to people pretending they know.
You know what's almost as bad as false information?
Low information. I'm not arguing with you about it but everything you've mentioned is a google search away.
Bs! You can get 8 different answers from 1 Google search. Probably not 1 of them is correct.
Google is asshoe.
If you want to keep yourself ignorant, be my guest.
We've been told by The Experts (and I'm not talking Barron) that it is indeed airborne.
Yes, but these things don't follow exponential curves. They follow S-curves. There is a transition point between the exponential and the logarithmic behavior, and we're just as likely to have reached that point as not.
Sure. If it kept up at an exponential rate forever, almost everyone would be infected or dead at some point. The problem is, how long will it increase exponentially? No one knows.
No one knows for sure. But past similar outbreaks have followed a bell curve. This is affected by weather, and it is affected by changed behavior in response to the threat.
We do know what will happen if people self-quarantine and wash their hands.
We were worried about Ebola a while back. We had a couple of cases in the US. Turns out, if enough people wash their hands, Ebola can't survive. So Ebola died.
If enough people wash their hands in the US, then we'll hit the transition point sooner.
Practicing good hygiene and staying away from other people is about all we can do at the moment. Washing hands is good, but it's even better to not be exposed in the first place. I'm OK with all these mass cancellations. I'm a bit of a homebody anyway, so I don't care.
This isn't Ebola, and it's already spread all over. Some experts think at last half the world's population could eventually be infected. The other thing is, it's a novel virus, and we just don't know enough yet (or they aren't telling people). TBH, I'm not really that worried about getting it; I'm very worried for the older population, and people who are already sick, like cancer patients.
If you get worried and stressed, your immune system diminishes. There's something more to worry about.
The thing is the disease has to spread through entirely mechanical means. You have to have contact with material that has the virus, and the virus has to get into your body, and then the virus has to successfully survive your immune system. That's how you get the virus, but it's also the first step to getting sick from it. Some people can get the virus and not even feel slightly sick, and others only get mild symptoms, so mild we don't even know if they had it.
There are some seriously messed up viruses out there that at any moment could literally destroy the earth. Two of them -- the cold and the flu -- we're so used to dealing with and surviving that we barely give them a thought. It wasn't so long ago that the flu spread and killed millions upon millions world wide.
So if you want to worry about something, I'd worry about that. The coronavirus is new, of course, but we've already seen how it plays out in real life. It's a pretty much known quantity. The one aspect that we are having difficulty to wrap numbers around is the transmission rate, but if, as many suspect, this thing is mostly harmless, the transmission rate is going to be mostly irrelevant.
We're seeing it play out in real life in Italy. It's a bit of a big deal. This is not just the flu, and to say so is irresponsible. Let's wait a few more weeks and we'll see who is right.
More people in New Jersey have been hit by trains this year than have been killed by this virus (1).
Real fucking pandemic.
the virus just got here, check back in 1 year, 5 years. Don't be so dumb.
Seriously. Its like half the people here dont understand how basic fucking math works. A week ago people were joking "Oh boy its 40 cases real big issue".
Now its "Oh its only 1200 cases."
yes yes yes it will go higher exponentially until it peaks then declines. When it is finally over as a poster above said a graph of infections will look like a bellcurve.
What you mistake for our ignorance of math is in my case a strong background in statistics. you are focused on the exponential rise part of the bell graph.
None of us know for sure when the exponential rise in new cases will peak and then decline.
Just globalist economic terrorism
Bingo, this is extremely well coordinated. They finally found something to bring the markets down. it's our job to make sure Trump stomps on their faces come election time.
TBH, It should also have a photo of the cover of “The Communist Manifesto”, but you work with what you can. . .
Always time for a revision after work :)
President Trump is taking this virus seriously. If Pedes think they are smarter or have better information than POTUS, then they are wrong.
Are you sure he is taking the virus seriously or is he taking the whole situation seriously? I would include in the whole situation the economy and the panic?
Please note, I do think there is an actual virus that can be deadly, I just think it is waaaaay overblown and way overstated. I also think VSG takes the lives of American citizens seriously.
I agree entirely. POTUS is now having to deal with the media induced hysteria, which is designed to create fear and tank the economy. I'm glad POTUS gave the EU the big smackdown for failing to close their borders too.
Both. He knows panic is bad, and he knows Americans need some reassurance. Public officials pretending this isn't dangerous does not reassure people. He is taking the warnings in gradual steps, so that reasonable people don't freak out.
The leftists that lose their snot when facts are mentioned are excluded of course.
Distancing, avoiding unnecessary travel, avoiding crowds and washing hands are the biggest things we can do now. If we had an adequate supply of masks, I believe POTUS would be advocating for people to use them - but we don't, so people would panic if he told them that.
If you consider how a parent breaks bad news to kids, then you will understand the position POTUS is approaching this from in order to keep Americans calm.
Panic only makes things worse. People thinking about distance and hand washing the same way they think about seat belts and not driving drunk is what we need.
Keep America Great
Keep America Healthy
President Trump will get us there, but we need to trust him on this, just as we trusted him with his reaction to Syria and Iraq.
Masks don't help much unless you're already infected, then you might spread it less. A hospital is the most likely place to get infected. It'd be great if masks were available upon entering any hospital or clinic, since most people are probably there thinking they have it.
Is she going to be Biden's pick for VP?
I hope so. Nail in the coffin for that campaign
Hillary has too big of an ego to be a #2.
“. . . for long.”
FIFy
This is the answer
No, she's going to be the shadow candidate, the documentary, the emails, Trump is in the process of draining the swamp.
People acting like Tom Hanks has cancer or something. Ffs the dude has the sniffles
Kek Out Loud
Everyone should be prepared for a quarantine regardless. If you can't get to the store because the government forced them all closed, that's a big deal. Be prepared, stock up on at least a month's worth of non-perishables, don't be stupid.
The time to stock up has already passed. Buy only what you absolutely need right now.
You should be stocking up when there is no panic. When this panic passes, then is the time to stock up.
"After suiciding he had wrapped himself in a hammock and poured diesel on himself but couldn't light it."
Trying to decide which one is scarier, the Hillary or the Shark.
With the proper components installed. . .
Wait wat
To anybody still not taking COVID-19 seriously, I highly suggest you watch this Joe Rogan podcast from a couple days ago with Michael Osterholm. This is the guy who investigates outbreaks to find their origins and to prevent future ones, and in the first five minutes he gets right to the point.
Keep downplaying and making jokes if you want, but you’re going to feel really stupid when the shit finally hits the fan (and it will).
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
What I’m watching for is what happens next fall/winter with this virus. Currently the main targets of this virus are elderly and immune compromised. That is nothing to discount, but if you’re healthy and young the odds are you will be fine. Just look out for any vulnerable people in your life.
The Spanish Flu in it's second wave took out younger people with cytokine storm. If this virus does similar that will be a real shit hits the fan scenario.
And the globalists/Chinese will have no problem spreading another strain/virus if this one isn't furthering their plans. This could be a test run.
I watched it and I think that guy (although he's considered an expert) is way off. I searched the internet for other stuff from Osterholm. He was quite calm and collected at this point during previous outbreaks. He also hedges his bets. I didn't find him very convincing. He doesn't have any better info from China than the rest of us, so how can he investigate the origins? And how good has he been at preventing future outbreaks? From the evidence, not very.
Remember, tenured experts NEVER suffer any downside from outsized prognostication. If challenged later, they just say "abundance of caution" and all that.
"Coronavirus has information that will lead to the arrest of Bill Clinton."
That should do it, Coronavirus 'cured'.
Where are the mass child deaths? The CDC reports the child death rate is reletively uncommon. State run media doesn't want us to know it's mostly the sick and elderly who are at risk of death.
Wuhan is asshoe.
I'm not a gambling man but I bet knowing the Clintons is alot more dangerous. All joking aside please be safe out there. This is still dangerous and we all need to vote in November... trump 2020
Sharks have killed fewer people in the last 10 years than Hillary.
Don't hate the sharks!
LMFAO YEP! Ilhan Omar the Iranian spy said calling a virus by it’s location is racist even tho every virus in history has been called based of where it came from aka the African Ebola virus named after the big river where it originated and the German Swine Flu
its the flu people!! the fact that people are losing their shit over the flu makes me understand why the government won't be truthful about ufo's and alien visits.... this flu panic is a small indication of how the public would indeed panic.....
The best comment I have seen. 👽👽👽
However low your chances are individually, don't be like the Utah Jazz player.
I'm headed to Florida this weekend for a little mini-vacation. So I suppose I'm putting myself at extra risk for the top half of the chart.
Since I'm a Trump voting patriot I'm at extra risk for the bottom right.
I guess the left wants me to rethink my stances on both for my own safety sake?
Good news! FL also has the most lightning, lightning strikes, and people struck by lightning. Enjoy
Sweet! I didn't even think to look that up just assumed it would be somewhere else. See I don't even have to worry about the virus because I'm already dead from all these things.
Number of those things I'm going to come into contact with: 0
Number of Corona Virus I'm going to come into contact with: undeterminable
And the disease is contagious in incubation, so it's not like you can avoid people that have it.
Way I see it, everybody will eventually get exposed to it.
The real issue here is how we individually deal with it, for the vast majority of people, it's a bad cold/flu, you will get over it pretty quickly, so apart from a week or so of feeling like crap, no big deal.
The problem is for the people who are already suffering something, be that respiratory problems, being on immunosuppressants, etc. then it's a whole different matter, only look at the care home on Washington shows this.
I'm not saying that it's not dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying health conditions. But something was clearly very different about that Washington care home. Probably not useful as an example of the future.
I'm really starting to wonder if this is being stocked up into a hysterical scare for some ulterior motives. It's something to take seriously but it's not anywhere near as serious as it's being made out to be.
Just because aliens ain't real doesn't mean the government isn't conspiring to take away your liberties.
In fact you can take it as a given that the government is out to get you.
One of these things is not like the others...
I work in a very public setting, I'm surrounded by people all day long. All I'm doing is washing my hands a bit more and avoiding handrails etc... The media is hyping this thing up like it's the next plague. They needed something, anything to crash the economy and they found it. Hopefully, once summer hits and the virus calms down a bit things will start roaring again and this bites them in the ass.
Spicy meme bro but i dont want any pictures of satan on my phone
Spicy
NGL, with Clinton in there that's some pretty high number desu
panicks
Be cautious, friends. Don't totally dismiss this... Don't go crazy, but don't take it lightly.
The end is near!
I don't swim in shark infested waters.
I don't stand under coconut trees.
I don't go out in thunderstorms.
I have not attempted to testify against Hillary Clinton.
All those things are near to if not impossible to affect me. Coronavirus may still be a distant threat but it has the capacity to close the distance.
Day 61 of:
SARS: 623 deaths.
H1N1: 180 deaths.
Corvid 19: 4615 deaths.
Thank you I upTrumped you. I like data and facts.
Take into consideration that it appears to have peaked and infection rates are on the decline in South Korea. Singapore appears to in good shape. President Xi was in Wuhan the other day and they are getting less than 10 new cases a day.
It is important to remember that the infection and death rates are not linear and they are not correlated to one another.
Asian countries seem to be getting good results with heavy medical response. Don't believe China though. I can't count the number of citizens contradiction the communist party narrative.
Europe's more laissez faire open borders approach will probably end up with all of Europe looking like Italy, which is why Trump stopped travel. It's really too late though and the US is going to be hit hard.
Leaderless Canada is doing half the US's measures a week later and it's not going to be good in spite of lower population density and less travel.
No idea what is going on with Mexico. It's hard to believe their numbers. They're probably just chalking deaths up to natural causes or the flu, because either way it's a nice change from being murdered by cartels.
What's your source?
https://covid19info.live/
Thanks. But I'm not seeing the SARS and H1N1 numbers there, unless I'm missing them.
For the flu in 2019-2020, there have been 52,000 deaths out of 49,000,000 cases, which is a fatality rate of 0.1%
The current global average fatality rate of the Wuhan virus is 3.4% according to the WHO, which is 34 times that of the flu. The Wuhan virus appears to be more contagious than the flu. If half the country catches the Wuhan virus, 3.4% of 150,000,000 is 5,100,000 Americans dead. Even if the same number of people get it as the flu, 3.4% of 49,000,000 is 1,666,000 dead. Those are the potential stakes for our country. The good news is that the real fatality rate in the US will probably be lower than that. It's 0.6% in South Korea, 2.3% in China, and 4% so far in the US. The number seems to go down as more people are tested, so the US number should lower soon since we caught it recently. Also, the US and South Korea have good medical resources, which are a big factor in lowering fatality, as ventilators are the only way to keep the hardest hit patients alive. Countries have a limited number of ventilators. Italy currently has all their ventilators occupied and their fatality rate is 5%. It is very contagious, and we need to avoid a situation where all of our ventilators are occupied, or the fatality rate will increase. This was likely the case in Wuhan, which saw the majority of cases in China. A recent report from WHO found that the fatality rate was 5.8% in Wuhan, compared with 0.7% in the rest of the country. Because of that, we need to slow the spread of the Wuhan virus to the point that it doesn't exceed the capacity of our healthcare system at any given time. This should be taken seriously and measures need to be implemented to slow the spread, which Trump is doing bigly, but no one needs to panic.
I think I'm more likely to do a minimum captures run in Super Mario Odyssey (3 captures) first try than die of COVID-19
Relax. They're not all based on China's numbers. There are plenty of other numbers now.
I agree you can't trust China on this.
This virus is ten to fifty times deadlier than the flu which kills tens of thousands of Americans annually.
This virus is far more likely than the flu to leave survivors with permanent lung damage.
This virus survives longer, up to five times longer, in the air and on surfaces than most flu viruses do.
Victims are asymptomatic often for five days or more. They're contagious that whole time.
The virus has not just flu effects but also AIDS style compromising of your immune system.
The President isn't fucking around. Neither should you.
All of that said, four out of five victims have mild infections (non critical, no care required beyond bedrest).
Stay safe pedes.
The above is not information taken from reputable sources.
Please refer to your state's department of health, the CDC, or the president for facts about this disease.
I was gonna link it all now, but meh. Who's even reading this
I think you are overreacting a bit, but you arent really wrong. This whole site in general has been treating this virus like nothing more than a political opportunity for the left, which it is, but that isnt giving credit to the fact that if left uncontained this virus could do serious damage.
Even assuming the lower end of the estimated death rate at 1%, thats so much higher than the flu. Younger people will be fine but does no one here have old parents or grandparents? Does no one here have relatives with pre existing conditions? My mom has been dealing with ALS for a few years and this would almost certainly kill her.
I just don't see how this is being treated as a joke when it has a very real possibility of getting worse before it gets better.
OK boomer