I'm not 100% sure but apparently developed countries like Canada "give" viruses and other biological creations to other countries for "research". So in the case of Wuhan virus the thought is it was developed first in Canada and we gave it, along with other strains, to China for "research". I guess the issue is whether it was given legally or not. I suppose that would be why they escorted a Chinese scientist from a Canadian lab and charged them with something (and that something is being hidden IMO as they just keep saying there were administration "issues" so they had to remove the scientist). Something's fucky if you ask me.
Not to mention how horrible optics university students have nowadays yet think people will just agree to give them free tuition. No one is going to watch the Kaitlin Bennett video and say " yeah those future doctors deserve to have their tuition expunged."
Since 2014 GED has stepped up it's game. It's no longer your granddad's GED. It assesses thinking skills. It's not easy. As a result of its new rigor if students score at a certain level the GED is accepted by many universities as a college entrance exam. It's a new GED.
Yeah I agree. I think she should take some time off. Millie seems to do a better job exposing dumb lefty ideas.
Kaitlin is too forceful and accusatory. More compassion would help.
If they would call themselves a 24/7 hour Sanders rally this would be okayish, you reap what you sow.
But as always they like to pretend to be for everyone, while only supporting kleptocratic elites. And you should have known, who needs facts and arguments, when you can have feelings?
for all these S4P folks who claim to be the academic sort, you would think after surviving the mayhem that is university administration that the last think they'd want is to just straight up dump more money into it.
how much money have these guys fed into broken vending machines expecting them to work eventually?
Keep in mind that “Coronavirus” is the generic term for all the viruses in this family, and COVID-19 is this microbe’s formal name. The virus they engineered, SCH014, was unrelated to this one, since it was a coronavirus/sars hybrid.
All indicators currently point to this being a naturally occurring virus, not engineered. Virologists are trained to notice that kind of stuff and I haven’t heard of any of them signaling that this even could be man-made.
Those Chinese wet markets are a plethora of viruses and filth, the perfect breeding ground for epidemics.
Virologists are trained to notice that kind of stuff and I haven’t heard of any of them signaling that this even could be man-made.
Sure, buddy. Whatever you say. No way that Chinese virus lab sitting right next to that wet market and down the street from the first hospital to report COVID-19 infections had anything to do with this.
Considering the widespread panic, outrage, total war, and slaughter such a thing would create there's probably very good reasons why everyone is so quick to say that COVID-19 wasn't man-made in a Chinese lab.
Once this thing peters out, expect a shitload of Chinese virologists to wind up missing/suicided/dead-from-virus.
CHANGSTEIN DIDN'T KILL HIMSELF!
Yeah, thats a heck of a coincidence. Dangerous pathogens have escaped US labs, and I have much less faith in CCP safety measures. A Rutgers professor who worked over there claimed SARS has escaped into Beijing 4 times over the last couple decades.
Even if its not bioengineered, I'm still suspicious of the origin story.
They also had instances of bio lab workers selling dead animal test subjects for voodoo food for “side cash” because communism wasn’t meeting their financial needs.
What I don't get is how they even knew it was corona virus? One guy comes down with a bad cold and somehow random doctor knows it's a special disease?? Everything about this is wierd
I believe the first doctors to discover it were noticing SARS like symptoms (SARS is a type of coronavirus) and started warning people that SARS seemed to be reemerging, and to take precautions. They were prompty arrested by the Chinese government for spreading 'harmful rumors'. And yet the media tells us our medical system should be more like China, where people who discover a potential outbreak are arrested in order to cover it up!
Leftists want free healthcare and a healthcare system that will quietly murder them when they go to the hospital for being sick. What more is there to say about them at this point?
From the account of the community of doctors who discovered it in December, there was an uptick of several patients in the same region all with severe pneumonia. They ran tests, because thank God they were suspicious, and saw that genetically it was almost identical to SARS.
They started spreading the word on IM social media apps, but of course since ALL online activity is monitored by China's own personal army of groupthink police, many of the doctors were arrested and silenced.
That was their first mistake in a line of many, many fuck ups that got to where it is today.
There are also rumours that the SARS-CoV-2 was artificially, or intentionally, made by humans in the lab, and this is highlighted in one manuscript submitted to BioRxiv (a manuscript sharing site prior to any peer review), claiming that SARS-CoV-2 has HIV sequence in it and was thus likely generated in the laboratory. In a rebuttal paper led by an HIV-1 virologist Dr. Feng Gao, they used careful bioinformatics analyses to demonstrate that the original claim of multiple HIV insertions into the SARS-CoV-2 is not HIV-1 specific but random [15]. Because of the many concerns raised by the international community, the authors who made the initial claim have already withdrawn this report.
Evolution is stepwise and accrues mutations gradually over time, whereas synthetic constructs would typically use a known backbone and introduce logical or targeted changes instead of the randomly occurring mutations that are present in naturally isolated viruses such as bat CoV RaTG13. In our view, there is currently no credible evidence to support the claim that SARS-CoV-2 originated from a laboratory-engineered CoV. It is more likely that SARS-CoV-2 is a recombinant CoV generated in nature between a bat CoV and another coronavirus in an intermediate animal host. More studies are needed to explore this possibility and resolve the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2. We should emphasize that, although SARS-CoV-2 shows no evidence of laboratory origin, viruses with such great public health threats must be handled properly in the laboratory and also properly regulated by the scientific community and governments.
The best current theory right now is that this virus was isolated from a bat somewhere as it is extremely rare in nature and was grown and observed in a virology lab. It probably escaped from there.
It escaped. You know, like Houdini. They had it tied up in a straitjacket, locked, and suspended underwater upside down!
You should have seen this thing wiggle it's way out of that. Then it stole the keys to a mini car and drove through the hallways recklessly until it got to the exterior door with the James Bond style handprint access.
We really need to stop letting experimental viruses watch James Bond. They adapt too quickly.
search for an Indian lab that says they found evidence of genetic engineering when they examined the virus. They got shut down real fast and retracted everything. That is how science is supposed to work right?
Absolutely, their virus hysteria is at top level. At the same time they print many different viewpoints and I like the site too. All news sites have fake news. My mom was a reporter and taught me that
Their everything hysteria is almost always a top level. I appreciate what they've got going on over there, for the most part, but you have to pull your Shit-Wader pants up almost as high on ZH as you do on /pol. They've got a real Chicken-Little thing constantly going on over there re: economic conditions.
And you ain't peddling vaccum about all news being fake news; sounds like you had a good teacher in your mom.
Yes, nothing like an insider for a real red pill. Way back in 2016 she told me Trump would win the nomination and the election. She had covered politics and been a news junky for years and had her finger on the pulse. I am so happy she saw Trump elected before she died. She also told me to watch Tulsi Gabbard. She loved Trump, but could predict elections independent of her personal politics. She said he has a profound political instinct and she did not analyse like Scott Adams, for her she saw it in her gut. She saw it in Bill Clinton as well and she despised him. I miss my mom, I would love to hear her opinion on some of what is happening now
I read a few reports that four HIV proteins had been found in the RNA(?) of the virus. They reported that such proteins would not have been expected to be found there, less MILLIONS of mutations, and then only a slim possibly. (IIRC, this was published in Times of India, or India Today. Late Feb?)
(edited to add: the existence of the proteins helped the virus bond to humans, otherwise it could not have made the leap from a bat to a human host)
There were also two Chinese studies that were published that cast serious doubt on this being a naturally occurring virus, and both of them concluded that it likely originated in the Wuhan biolab. (Also mid-late Feb)
None of the stuff I read suggested that the virus was released as a bio-weapon, moreso that it originated in the labs and likely got out due to lax procedures or via infecting Patient zero in the lab. They also posited the possibility that infected lab animals were sold out the back door.
I can't verify any of the above information (I will see if i can dig up any links later, you can decide for yourself) but reading them certainly left me thinking that there was the distinct possibility the virus was more than just naturally occurring.
There is evidence to suggest that Asians are the most susceptible to the catching the virus.
I am not sure why but, if true, would put cold water on the idea they released it themselves.
If they did they wouldn't have released it in Wuhan.
If it would have broken out in Xinjiang, then this theory would have legs.
The simple fact that the only lab in Asia rated to safely handle a virus like this one is in the same town is damning evidence. Added to the Chinese Communist Party's track record? Forget about it.
There is no point in even investigating it at this point for most people I think.
We can't trust anything coming out of China but know enough that it would take a mountain of objective evidence to convince the people paying attention this virus came from anywhere else.
There is no chance of clearing this up definitively and there probably never will be. The CDC isn't even allowed into China.
The preeminent virologists in the world were ready to assist, free of charge, and China said no thanks. No country where there has been a major outbreak has ever done such a thing in the past.
Combined with what we knew before this happened, that move alone tells me everything I need to know.
I dunno man. They were pressured to abandon the 1 child policy and are totally overcrowded. Then their markets suffered after the new Trump deal. They probably needed to sacrifice a few lambs .
I mean, if you wanted a virus to kill off excess population, wouldn't you want a virus that was HIGHLY contagious, didn't effect infants at all, and killed old folks like they got leukemia?
I wouldn't say any of that would stop Xi from being a madman. Whether it was manufactured as a bioweapon and released intentionally or surfaced from the wild is a detail we may never know.
All indicators currently point to this being a naturally occurring virus, not engineered.
Opinion.
Virologists are trained to notice that kind of stuff and I haven’t heard of any of them signaling that this even could be man-made.
Yet.
Those Chinese wet markets are a plethora of viruses and filth, the perfect breeding ground for epidemic.
So is a BSL-4 bioweapons laboratory located in Wuhan, China. There was a report on Tucker that a whistleblower stated they tested bioweapons (like this virus) on live animals, then sold them to the market for a side profit. The hopelessly corrupt Chinese Communist Party must be eradicated.
This seems to be the most likely scenario from everything I've seen.
I just don't buy any versions of a deliberate release or some ill-fated attempt at biological warfare. I DO buy incompetence and avarice in the form of a gaps in their containment procedure and utterly unscrupulous lab staff making extra scratch on the side selling research animals nearby for delicious pandemic soup.
This is the comment inwas looking for. Even though china did not likely use this weak ass virus to attack us, the deep state has weaponized the event and is using fear to disrupt entire economies. Yes it is an attack by the media and the puppeteers pulling their strings to kill the u.s. economy.
China doesn't want us all to get infected, they depend on every western country to buy their cheap crap. It's just negligence on China's part letting the wild animal trade run rampant in Wuhan. Then trying to cover it up and calling us "racist" for calling them out. All because they want these "natural remedies" from wild animals that they believe cures anything. I know it doesn't sound as cool as "biological warfare" but it's the truth.
I think the writing is on the wall for Chinese (slave) labor as an economic advantage. It was already in the works to untangle some supply chains from China, as the lower costs aren't as lower as they used to be. This, plus the fact that even someone with their eyes firmly on quarterly results and their geopolitical head squarely in the sand will find it increasingly hard to ignore any longer that China is not a friend of the US, or the West in general.
It's time to end the era of Cheap Chinese Shit. Automation is on the way anyway; I hope this incident will jump-start that transition.
But other virologists question whether the information gleaned from the experiment justifies the potential risk. Although the extent of any risk is difficult to assess, Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” he says.
The article in question is page 1508 to 1512. There are a couple of pages of citations and some boilerplate ethics crap as well.
These researchers made a virus in order to test the ability of this variety of viruses to spread in mice (and humans).
"[T]he results establish the viability of full-length SHC014-CoV, but suggest that further adaptation is required for its replication to be equivalent to that of epidemic SARS-CoV in human respiratory cells and in mice."
page 1510-1511
The paper goes on:
Although our study does not invalidate the other emergence routes, it does argue for a third paradigm in which circulating bat CoV pools maintain ‘poised’ spike proteins that are capable of infecting humans without mutation or adaptation (Fig. 4c). This hypothesis is illustrated by the ability of a chimeric virus containing the SHC014 spike in a SARS-CoV backbone to cause robust infection in both human airway cultures and in mice without RBD adaptation. Coupled with the observation of previously identified pathogenic CoV back-bones3,20, our results suggest that the starting materials required for SARS-like emergent strains are currently circulating in animal reservoirs. Notably, although full-length SHC014-CoV probably requires additional backbone adaption to mediate human disease, the documented high-frequency recombination events in CoV families underscores the possibility of future emergence and the need for further preparation.
Partial TLDR: A group of scientists at Chapel Hill NC (University) PLUS one Chinese guy from Wuhan (not making that up) wrote a paper in 2015. They conducted experiments to see if mutations of the SARS/Corona virus could be treated. They found that some mutations COULD be treated. But the SCH014 strain proved difficult.
The also said something like "Further research like this might not be a good idea, as the cost/benefit versus the chance of producing a strain that could very bad - might not be positive." (I.e, Reading between the lines (my words) we could produce something that could kill a lot of people )
Sounds like virologist Timothy Sheahan or likely his circle of contacts who are based in chapel hill. Just read about him in an article where he comments on the efficacy of remdesivir, the go to drug globally being used for covid 19 on compassionate use basis. The drug was created by biotech company “Gilead” to combat merz, SARS and Ebola. It has shown to be effective in combating corona viruses in Rhesus macaque monkeys and is in human trials in China, Europe, and Us as we speak. Results out in April on current covid patients. Sheahan used to work for another bio tech called “GSK”.
I just invested my first 1k in stocks yesterday, take a wild guess where I invested.
Thanks for the tip and info. Excellent both. I'm waiting for an account to open that has some cash lying dormant in it. Once open, I'll do the same! thanks
GSK is Glaxo Smith-Kline. They're a massive pharmaceutical company that embodies everything great and everything awful about Big Pharma. About 10 years ago they were hit with a multi-billion dollar criminal case for paying doctors to prescribe drugs patients didn't need but that wouldn't have negative side effects.
Didn’t know that about them, but they are definitely on my radar. Really makes you wonder. There’s so many racing for solutions, it’s like trying to pick a winning horse. This pandemic looks like it’s accelerating fast, and so far it looks like “Abbvie” is overtaking “Gilead” with their drug Kaletra, at least from my research. Even with a potential massive drop off in the market I gotta believe these companies will benefit due to global demand if it turns out they are most viable. Not as thrilled with potential vaccines which won’t be out for at least a year.
This is lookin on par with 1929, 1987 crash, crazy shit.
I'm not sure I am prepared to put much stock in Strongbad and his One World Government in Israel "documents" as a particularly believable source. A virus can't kill dissidents, it kills statistically. Nobody would go along with anything even remotely like that.
WTF??? So from my understanding (and reading the comments on YT), this was supposedly planned during the Hillary Clinton years if she won President, so they can finally incorporate NWO?
is notable not only because there is no treatment for this newly discovered virus, but also because it highlights an ongoing debate over the government's decision to suspend all gain of function experiments on a variety of select agents earlier this year. The move has put a substantial standstill on the development of vaccines or treatments for these pathogens should there be an outbreak.
Rest assured that this will be a "crazy far-right conspiracy theory" and they will ridicule anyone even acknowledging it until one day they finally start reporting on it like it's the first time anyone's heard about it.
Dr. Margaret Harris, with the World Health Organisation, said that while travel bans are useful in the early stages of an outbreak, they are of little use when the disease starts spreading freely within communities - as it has in the US.
Rather than focus efforts on closing borders, she urged countries including the US to stop the spread within their own borders by rapidly testing people for the virus and ensuring they get appropriate treatment.
is notable not only because there is no treatment for this newly discovered virus, but also because it highlights an ongoing debate over the government's decision to suspend all gain of function experiments on a variety of select agents earlier this year. The move has put a substantial standstill on the development of vaccines or treatments for these pathogens should there be an outbreak.
Mother fucker!
From this link another poster supplied on this thread.
"Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens"
22 February 2017
Wuhan, China
"Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats."
If you think that article is scary, check out above. Using Bat Adeno-Viruses as gene therapy vectors. Alex Jones was right, this is biological warfare from the deep state.
Either way, these things exist and I think should be studied. Making our own versions to see what we can learn - is both a practical and ethical decision.
Different people, countries, and governments are going to decide to do one or the other path.
Medical ethical conundrum. Effective route to vaccines and disease response - gotta make novel version of these viruses and run tests. Could potentially make super bug that wipes out our species.
Studying what exists - slower development of vaccines, etc. leading to a pandemic which wipes out our species.
Repost from r/conspiracy over a month ago (that has since been quarantined). Engineered SARS Coronovirus spliced with HIV-1 characteristics ---> virology evolution research ---> Dr. Church / Dr. Charles Lieber ---> Harvard ---> Wuhan BLS-4 Lab / Xing-Ye Gi ---> Wuhan Institute of Virology. Requires some leg work, but it's all there.
You missed one:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related
The balls on this guy
The balls on this guy's eyes...
This may be a key to this puzzle as well:
http://archive.fo/olCkv
What do you think is the connection? I mean the actual cause and effect there
I'm not 100% sure but apparently developed countries like Canada "give" viruses and other biological creations to other countries for "research". So in the case of Wuhan virus the thought is it was developed first in Canada and we gave it, along with other strains, to China for "research". I guess the issue is whether it was given legally or not. I suppose that would be why they escorted a Chinese scientist from a Canadian lab and charged them with something (and that something is being hidden IMO as they just keep saying there were administration "issues" so they had to remove the scientist). Something's fucky if you ask me.
This might help a bit.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2258702/
That one is from after the outbreak started, though. Still interesting, but can't possibly be connected.
EDIT: Hmm but I suppose that multiple trips would be the likely scenario. He travelled specifically to Wuhan. Whoa.
Thanks, George.
I was thinking the same thing
That’s beautiful!!!!
Also https://web.archive.org/web/20200203000740/https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
Another archive as well - https://archive.fo/AlXBA
Hmm tasty bats
Thank god we got off the sinking ship that is Reddit.
Not to mention how horrible optics university students have nowadays yet think people will just agree to give them free tuition. No one is going to watch the Kaitlin Bennett video and say " yeah those future doctors deserve to have their tuition expunged."
The moment tuition becomes free, the value of the 4 year degree plummets to equal or less than a G.E.D.
Since 2014 GED has stepped up it's game. It's no longer your granddad's GED. It assesses thinking skills. It's not easy. As a result of its new rigor if students score at a certain level the GED is accepted by many universities as a college entrance exam. It's a new GED.
Yeah I agree. I think she should take some time off. Millie seems to do a better job exposing dumb lefty ideas. Kaitlin is too forceful and accusatory. More compassion would help.
If they would call themselves a 24/7 hour Sanders rally this would be okayish, you reap what you sow.
But as always they like to pretend to be for everyone, while only supporting kleptocratic elites. And you should have known, who needs facts and arguments, when you can have feelings?
Should check to see if your post got listed by the top minds in TuMOR or something.
for all these S4P folks who claim to be the academic sort, you would think after surviving the mayhem that is university administration that the last think they'd want is to just straight up dump more money into it.
how much money have these guys fed into broken vending machines expecting them to work eventually?
The_Donald was the only reason I went to Reddit in the first place. After the mod takeover there is no point.
Even better, when we're here no one is witchhunting and trying to take everything we say out of context.
Keep in mind that “Coronavirus” is the generic term for all the viruses in this family, and COVID-19 is this microbe’s formal name. The virus they engineered, SCH014, was unrelated to this one, since it was a coronavirus/sars hybrid.
All indicators currently point to this being a naturally occurring virus, not engineered. Virologists are trained to notice that kind of stuff and I haven’t heard of any of them signaling that this even could be man-made.
Those Chinese wet markets are a plethora of viruses and filth, the perfect breeding ground for epidemics.
Sure, buddy. Whatever you say. No way that Chinese virus lab sitting right next to that wet market and down the street from the first hospital to report COVID-19 infections had anything to do with this.
Considering the widespread panic, outrage, total war, and slaughter such a thing would create there's probably very good reasons why everyone is so quick to say that COVID-19 wasn't man-made in a Chinese lab.
Once this thing peters out, expect a shitload of Chinese virologists to wind up missing/suicided/dead-from-virus.
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It is the only level IV biohazard facility in Asia and it is something like 200-300 yards away from the wet market.
Sorry, I don't buy the bat hypothesis either.
Yeah, thats a heck of a coincidence. Dangerous pathogens have escaped US labs, and I have much less faith in CCP safety measures. A Rutgers professor who worked over there claimed SARS has escaped into Beijing 4 times over the last couple decades.
Even if its not bioengineered, I'm still suspicious of the origin story.
They also had instances of bio lab workers selling dead animal test subjects for voodoo food for “side cash” because communism wasn’t meeting their financial needs.
Not even a claim, it fucking DID. That's how 2003 SARS got off the ground. Communists don't learn from their mistakes, ever.
They've literally had nasty-ass wet markets for countless centuries. Then suddenly!
What I don't get is how they even knew it was corona virus? One guy comes down with a bad cold and somehow random doctor knows it's a special disease?? Everything about this is wierd
I believe the first doctors to discover it were noticing SARS like symptoms (SARS is a type of coronavirus) and started warning people that SARS seemed to be reemerging, and to take precautions. They were prompty arrested by the Chinese government for spreading 'harmful rumors'. And yet the media tells us our medical system should be more like China, where people who discover a potential outbreak are arrested in order to cover it up!
Arrested...and then perish, like the poor fuck who first blew the whistle.
Leftists want free healthcare and a healthcare system that will quietly murder them when they go to the hospital for being sick. What more is there to say about them at this point?
Microscopes exist, and different virus types are as different as German Shepherd are from poodles.
From the account of the community of doctors who discovered it in December, there was an uptick of several patients in the same region all with severe pneumonia. They ran tests, because thank God they were suspicious, and saw that genetically it was almost identical to SARS.
They started spreading the word on IM social media apps, but of course since ALL online activity is monitored by China's own personal army of groupthink police, many of the doctors were arrested and silenced.
That was their first mistake in a line of many, many fuck ups that got to where it is today.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2020.1733440
Or just by considering the way that viruses form and operate...
It helps to actually read the articles instead of getting half way through the headline and filling the rest in with your imagination.
Well now, since a Chinese virologist says it's not man-made I guess it's settled that it's not man-made.
Reads like propaganda.
The best current theory right now is that this virus was isolated from a bat somewhere as it is extremely rare in nature and was grown and observed in a virology lab. It probably escaped from there.
A source for that being "the best current theory" would be appreciated. Although I'm open minded, I only see this from sites like Zero Hedge.
It escaped. You know, like Houdini. They had it tied up in a straitjacket, locked, and suspended underwater upside down!
You should have seen this thing wiggle it's way out of that. Then it stole the keys to a mini car and drove through the hallways recklessly until it got to the exterior door with the James Bond style handprint access.
We really need to stop letting experimental viruses watch James Bond. They adapt too quickly.
search for an Indian lab that says they found evidence of genetic engineering when they examined the virus. They got shut down real fast and retracted everything. That is how science is supposed to work right?
Zero Hedge isn't all bad. You just have to pick and choose appropriately what you accept without reservation. Just like any news/opinion.
I agree. I like the site, I just have my BS meter always running.
Absolutely, their virus hysteria is at top level. At the same time they print many different viewpoints and I like the site too. All news sites have fake news. My mom was a reporter and taught me that
Their everything hysteria is almost always a top level. I appreciate what they've got going on over there, for the most part, but you have to pull your Shit-Wader pants up almost as high on ZH as you do on /pol. They've got a real Chicken-Little thing constantly going on over there re: economic conditions.
And you ain't peddling vaccum about all news being fake news; sounds like you had a good teacher in your mom.
Yes, nothing like an insider for a real red pill. Way back in 2016 she told me Trump would win the nomination and the election. She had covered politics and been a news junky for years and had her finger on the pulse. I am so happy she saw Trump elected before she died. She also told me to watch Tulsi Gabbard. She loved Trump, but could predict elections independent of her personal politics. She said he has a profound political instinct and she did not analyse like Scott Adams, for her she saw it in her gut. She saw it in Bill Clinton as well and she despised him. I miss my mom, I would love to hear her opinion on some of what is happening now
Just like the SARS virus escaped from a highly secured Beijing lab some years ago.
I use to think this but then they found a similar virus (99% match) in the wild in pangolins
That's the least like and most fake news theory guy.
https://thedonald.win/p/4KCJBDv/x/c/GbanEfwf
I read a few reports that four HIV proteins had been found in the RNA(?) of the virus. They reported that such proteins would not have been expected to be found there, less MILLIONS of mutations, and then only a slim possibly. (IIRC, this was published in Times of India, or India Today. Late Feb?)
(edited to add: the existence of the proteins helped the virus bond to humans, otherwise it could not have made the leap from a bat to a human host)
There were also two Chinese studies that were published that cast serious doubt on this being a naturally occurring virus, and both of them concluded that it likely originated in the Wuhan biolab. (Also mid-late Feb)
None of the stuff I read suggested that the virus was released as a bio-weapon, moreso that it originated in the labs and likely got out due to lax procedures or via infecting Patient zero in the lab. They also posited the possibility that infected lab animals were sold out the back door.
I can't verify any of the above information (I will see if i can dig up any links later, you can decide for yourself) but reading them certainly left me thinking that there was the distinct possibility the virus was more than just naturally occurring.
I remember those articles as well. I also believe it was carelessness and not deliberate.
How would we know? Like China would tell us?
Yes! They would come out and say, "We not asshoe"
There is evidence to suggest that Asians are the most susceptible to the catching the virus.
I am not sure why but, if true, would put cold water on the idea they released it themselves.
If they did they wouldn't have released it in Wuhan.
If it would have broken out in Xinjiang, then this theory would have legs.
The simple fact that the only lab in Asia rated to safely handle a virus like this one is in the same town is damning evidence. Added to the Chinese Communist Party's track record? Forget about it.
There is no point in even investigating it at this point for most people I think.
We can't trust anything coming out of China but know enough that it would take a mountain of objective evidence to convince the people paying attention this virus came from anywhere else.
There is no chance of clearing this up definitively and there probably never will be. The CDC isn't even allowed into China.
The preeminent virologists in the world were ready to assist, free of charge, and China said no thanks. No country where there has been a major outbreak has ever done such a thing in the past.
Combined with what we knew before this happened, that move alone tells me everything I need to know.
I dunno man. They were pressured to abandon the 1 child policy and are totally overcrowded. Then their markets suffered after the new Trump deal. They probably needed to sacrifice a few lambs .
I mean, if you wanted a virus to kill off excess population, wouldn't you want a virus that was HIGHLY contagious, didn't effect infants at all, and killed old folks like they got leukemia?
Nah. Half the Country won't believe that, but will continue to "resist"
I think they are more susceptible because TB is endemic and their air quality is horrific.
I wouldn't say any of that would stop Xi from being a madman. Whether it was manufactured as a bioweapon and released intentionally or surfaced from the wild is a detail we may never know.
All I can tell you for sure is I do NOT want it!
You can do the math based of prior research and history of the lab:
https://thedonald.win/p/4KCJBDv/x/c/GbanEfwf
This!
Opinion.
Yet.
So is a BSL-4 bioweapons laboratory located in Wuhan, China. There was a report on Tucker that a whistleblower stated they tested bioweapons (like this virus) on live animals, then sold them to the market for a side profit. The hopelessly corrupt Chinese Communist Party must be eradicated.
This seems to be the most likely scenario from everything I've seen.
I just don't buy any versions of a deliberate release or some ill-fated attempt at biological warfare. I DO buy incompetence and avarice in the form of a gaps in their containment procedure and utterly unscrupulous lab staff making extra scratch on the side selling research animals nearby for delicious pandemic soup.
If they wanted to intentionally release it they could've done it a.) more effectively b.) not on their own population.
There is the theory that it was meant to cull the massive Chinese overpopulation itself, but that would be like nuking a forest fire.
SARS-CoV-2 is there formal name, it has been determined to be similar enough to SARS-CoV to be classified as such.
This is biological warfare from China
Commies are gonna commie.
100 million deaths last century .. 60 from communist China.
This is the comment inwas looking for. Even though china did not likely use this weak ass virus to attack us, the deep state has weaponized the event and is using fear to disrupt entire economies. Yes it is an attack by the media and the puppeteers pulling their strings to kill the u.s. economy.
Not just China.
From the globalists.
WHO is involved. Merkel. All the open borders people.
This means war.
China doesn't want us all to get infected, they depend on every western country to buy their cheap crap. It's just negligence on China's part letting the wild animal trade run rampant in Wuhan. Then trying to cover it up and calling us "racist" for calling them out. All because they want these "natural remedies" from wild animals that they believe cures anything. I know it doesn't sound as cool as "biological warfare" but it's the truth.
I think the writing is on the wall for Chinese (slave) labor as an economic advantage. It was already in the works to untangle some supply chains from China, as the lower costs aren't as lower as they used to be. This, plus the fact that even someone with their eyes firmly on quarterly results and their geopolitical head squarely in the sand will find it increasingly hard to ignore any longer that China is not a friend of the US, or the West in general.
It's time to end the era of Cheap Chinese Shit. Automation is on the way anyway; I hope this incident will jump-start that transition.
http://archive.is/AlXBA
http://archive.is/4qD0z
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related
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Ho Lee shit! That's a long paper
The article in question is page 1508 to 1512. There are a couple of pages of citations and some boilerplate ethics crap as well.
These researchers made a virus in order to test the ability of this variety of viruses to spread in mice (and humans).
The paper goes on:
ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE STUDY (listed below):
Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China Xing-Yi Ge & Zhengli-Li Shi
Oh goody. I do not like this Sam I am!
Partial TLDR: A group of scientists at Chapel Hill NC (University) PLUS one Chinese guy from Wuhan (not making that up) wrote a paper in 2015. They conducted experiments to see if mutations of the SARS/Corona virus could be treated. They found that some mutations COULD be treated. But the SCH014 strain proved difficult.
The also said something like "Further research like this might not be a good idea, as the cost/benefit versus the chance of producing a strain that could very bad - might not be positive." (I.e, Reading between the lines (my words) we could produce something that could kill a lot of people )
Sounds like virologist Timothy Sheahan or likely his circle of contacts who are based in chapel hill. Just read about him in an article where he comments on the efficacy of remdesivir, the go to drug globally being used for covid 19 on compassionate use basis. The drug was created by biotech company “Gilead” to combat merz, SARS and Ebola. It has shown to be effective in combating corona viruses in Rhesus macaque monkeys and is in human trials in China, Europe, and Us as we speak. Results out in April on current covid patients. Sheahan used to work for another bio tech called “GSK”.
I just invested my first 1k in stocks yesterday, take a wild guess where I invested.
Thanks for the tip and info. Excellent both. I'm waiting for an account to open that has some cash lying dormant in it. Once open, I'll do the same! thanks
Fingers crossed. Another one that’s showing efficacy is a drug Kaletra made by AbbVie
GSK is Glaxo Smith-Kline. They're a massive pharmaceutical company that embodies everything great and everything awful about Big Pharma. About 10 years ago they were hit with a multi-billion dollar criminal case for paying doctors to prescribe drugs patients didn't need but that wouldn't have negative side effects.
Didn’t know that about them, but they are definitely on my radar. Really makes you wonder. There’s so many racing for solutions, it’s like trying to pick a winning horse. This pandemic looks like it’s accelerating fast, and so far it looks like “Abbvie” is overtaking “Gilead” with their drug Kaletra, at least from my research. Even with a potential massive drop off in the market I gotta believe these companies will benefit due to global demand if it turns out they are most viable. Not as thrilled with potential vaccines which won’t be out for at least a year.
This is lookin on par with 1929, 1987 crash, crazy shit.
I'm not sure I am prepared to put much stock in Strongbad and his One World Government in Israel "documents" as a particularly believable source. A virus can't kill dissidents, it kills statistically. Nobody would go along with anything even remotely like that.
WTF??? So from my understanding (and reading the comments on YT), this was supposedly planned during the Hillary Clinton years if she won President, so they can finally incorporate NWO?
That link was pretty mindblowing.
Mother fucker!
Right? But if they do "gain of function" studies they could potentially create a disease that does massive damage. It is an ethical mess.
Rest assured that this will be a "crazy far-right conspiracy theory" and they will ridicule anyone even acknowledging it until one day they finally start reporting on it like it's the first time anyone's heard about it.
Right? Everything is political in the post modern communist influenced Clown World we live in. Honk honk.
This will be scrubbed from the internet soon.
This article should be added too https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/ as information relevant to where it started, who started, who let it get out and how..
Remember Frank Plumber was just found dead in Africa while investigating this.
You can read about it here: https://gumshoenews.com/2020/02/09/death-of-dr-frank-plummer-and-the-bio-weapon-corona-virus/
Who let the beer out? Who, who, who who?
Damnit scientists, wipe your fucking shoes before leaving the lab to go eat your raw bat-brain salads!!
The WHO can't tell me they are not aware of this
Who?
The Who... https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q
That was the EXACT song that popped in my head before I clicked your link. Lol
Of course they can't.
They are part of the people creating it; that's why they are ticked off that Trump closed the borders to the continent.
They wanted to kill everyone they could. This doctor quoted below should be brought up on war crimes. Nothing worse than bioweapons.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8104365/Vice-President-Mike-Pence-says-Americans-returning-Europe-asked-quarantine.html
Thanks Obama?
Mother fucker!
From this link another poster supplied on this thread.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110115711.htm
They source this:
Thanks Obama.
Like those job listings.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26552008 I searched "SHC014 wuhan" and there are a ton of articles linking the two
probably going to get removed but put the archive link up on the coronavirus sub
https://archive.li/gfzhs
"Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens"
22 February 2017
Wuhan, China
"Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41434-019-0081-8
If you think that article is scary, check out above. Using Bat Adeno-Viruses as gene therapy vectors. Alex Jones was right, this is biological warfare from the deep state.
So where was this being engineered? I didn't see any mention of which lab was undertaking the experiment.
Why are we creating viruses in labs? That can literally only end poorly.
Because too much money goes to shitheads and not good people
Either way, these things exist and I think should be studied. Making our own versions to see what we can learn - is both a practical and ethical decision.
Different people, countries, and governments are going to decide to do one or the other path.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110115711.htm
See https://archive.li/gfzhs .
Not a block away. 20 miles away.
It the virus is proven to be man-made, it will be deemed an act of terrorism or biological warfare against the world.
If China was behind the engineering, they will become the world pariah.
Edit: Spez contacted me and asked that I delete this message (his bosses are extremely pissed off and worried.) I told him to fuck off.
https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
Spreading this out as much as possible. People need to be held accountable for this.
Do we have Donald Gold™?
shared; epic find here!
No one:
Not a living soul:
Pure evil: well I guess today I'll try to make a virus to mass murder human beings. Hmm bats might work?
why were they even engineering this?
Not so fast. That same paragraph suggests maybe it's not such a good idea.
Medical ethical conundrum. Effective route to vaccines and disease response - gotta make novel version of these viruses and run tests. Could potentially make super bug that wipes out our species.
Studying what exists - slower development of vaccines, etc. leading to a pandemic which wipes out our species.
There are no solutions, only responses.
Aka moral dilemma.
How many movies predicted this in their plot?
New game. Be the first to have this image removed by Reddit's "anti-evil operations team".
covid is from 5g radiation
We must trust scientists!! (Scientist accidentally kill thousands)
Well, well, well. What do we have here ;)
Repost from r/conspiracy over a month ago (that has since been quarantined). Engineered SARS Coronovirus spliced with HIV-1 characteristics ---> virology evolution research ---> Dr. Church / Dr. Charles Lieber ---> Harvard ---> Wuhan BLS-4 Lab / Xing-Ye Gi ---> Wuhan Institute of Virology. Requires some leg work, but it's all there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/extiks/scientific_article_regarding_an_engineered_sars/
holy shiat, that sounds very plausible
How is this related, if at all, to the MIT prof/researcher who was caught with samples destined for Wuhan?
The Kung Fu flu is no where near as dangerous as influenza, Wanna know why?
...It was made in China.
been looking for this post - thanks to everyone for sharing the links in the thread also. tons of important info here we need to save/archive