Since we're NOT on Reddit anymore let me just say this. The Police are NOT your Friends. They never were. We've got to let that BS go. Who arrested Roger Stone with a SWAT Team in the Dark? COPS. Who shot up this guy while asleep? COPS. Who is at the beck and call of the SJW infested Local and State Governments? COPS. Who carries out their orders even though they're against the Constitution? COPS.
We need to stop this Cop worship shit until we clean house. There's only a small handful of Sheriffs and others who are refusing to do this stuff but the other 99% are going along with it. In many cases if the LEO's complain they are fired by the Local and State Government Officials are replaced with COPS who WILL Shoot you when told to Shoot You!
Blindly accepting that "COPS are your Friends" is Fatal. This is a prime example.
ok. A) fuck your “all are bad because some are bad” bullshit. I used to be one, my best friend is one, and I am still friends with many. None of us would have pulled shit like this, so fuck off.
B) there are bad cops out there, and they need to go, but this fear mongering is bullshit because there ARE GOOD COPS OUT THERE
Cops are too interested in "sticking together" and protecting their own.
They are simply not good enough at making sure they are free from any impropriety in fact and appearance and have lost the public's trust for that reason.
People feel nervous now when they see police. That is all you need to know.
Order followers have given up their freedom to choose, and replaced it with being told what to do for a paycheck. This is the the height of immoral behavior.
I’m not a cop anymore and I don’t support red flag laws, and cops I know don’t support red flag laws. I’m always hesitant to discuss something that just happened without all the details, but if this happened the way it was reported it was obviously wrong. But that doesn’t mean some town cop 2000 miles away is a bad cop because he doenst know the details but won’t jump up on a table and scream that it was wrong. Even cops on the same warrant service team won’t have all the details. I’m not defending their actions I’m railing against the “one cop is bad, all cops are bad” bullshit leftist rhetoric. Lefties have been pushing this bullshit down our throats for years. So many law enforcement officers go their entire careers without using their weapon, or even drawing their weapon, but yeah, because they have a badge and carry a gun, they’re a bad guy
With all due respect to you and the other good cops, the ones who shoot up innocent people arent doing much to help your case and unfortunately in this case, "a few bad apples" leads to de facto death squads showing up one night and murdering you in your sleep.
My thinking is that this is another Obama Deep State type operation. This guy was just 21, a hot-headed kid. Say some CIA/FBI plant buddies up to him on the forums pretending to be a "co-conspirator". Now the CIA/FBI plant is a Liberal shill with no concept of 2nd Amendment rights to have arms, or 1st Amendment rights to talk shit about the government. In fact this ass-hat has no concept of non-dictatorial government (he missed his calling as Saddam Hussein's third sadistic son). So in this guys mind, 2nd Amendment Rights are an "extremist belief", and everyone of us who owns a gun is a psychopath waiting to reduce civilization to anarchy. Now he knows, this kid, Duncan Socrates Lemp, hasn't done anything, isn't planning anything, hasn't even said he intends to; but to get through the legal red-tape he needs "cause" for a red-flag warrant. So he pulls this kid aside into private chat, and starts getting him worked up with rhetoric. Then he starts pushing the legal boundaries and starts talking about actual attacks, killings, etc.. This kid didn't think this far ahead, about anything real; he was just spouting off. So he is caught a little off guard, not sure what to say, but doesn't want to disappoint his online friend and his extreme views. So, Duncan Socrates Lemp, makes the mistake of joining in on this "private" conversation, and adding some of his own dialog. Before you know it, this CIA/FBI prick has a pages of unfiltered rhetoric from this kid, which he then turns around to use as evidence for his red-flag warrant; but first he takes the time to call in an anonymous tip about the kids guns. So then this packet of "evidence" goes to a judge, who signs the warrant. This guy also makes sure to warn his "fellow-" law enforcement officers in the police about how dangerous this kid is, and makes sure they are all revved up. The police go there. Trigger-happy kills the kid while he's sleeping. And boom, you've got a murder story on the national news. So the police do what they do in the DC area, close ranks, hide evidence, and put out a narrative.
Meanwhile, your Deep-State shill is congratulating himself for circumventing 1st Amendment Rights of free-speech, 2nd Amendment Rights of owning guns, and the kid is dead so there is no one left to challenge those issues in court.
...which is why Red-Flag laws are unconstitutional, no decent law officer or "Good Cop" would ever enforce them, and everyone in that assassination chain of events is a murderer who deserves the death penalty. Will they get the death penalty? No.
An innocent kid and a patriot is dead, but here is the thing... they have exposed themselves for who they are; and, if we hold them accountable we can at least end all of their careers and clean up the justice system a little.
Yet here you are defending your "Boys in Blue" never once acknowledging that Things Change, Personnel Change and now they're virtually ALL a bunch of Sycophants ready to do this shit.
Nobody on that local Force is going to say shit about this. Nobody on that Force will hesitate to do it again.
Your argument against my "all are bad because some are bad" isn't really an argument. I don't care how many GOOD Cops there are. They don't do anything to stop this. They don't speak up about it. They'll even keep doing it because they're afraid to get fired. YOU, and I mean this personally, don't mean shit. Why? Because you won't DO Shit. You may as well not even be there. So if we don't/can't count on you as being there that leaves what now? Bad Cops. Nothing but Bad Cops all around.
You all showed your true colors during Christopher Dorner incident in California. You all ended up being a bunch of skittish, trigger happy thugs who ended up shooting and killing WAY more civilians than Dorner did. Between that incident and listening to L.A.'s finest crying like Little Bitches during the North Hollywood shootout showed me that you were now just a bunch of Bullies who, when confronted, turned into a bunch of pussies. That's who's in charge of the Police Forces in the Country now. Do I even have to mention the Portland PD standing by while AntiFa assaults people? How about the Charlottsville PD intentionally steering people into a fight and then only arresting one side while letting the others go because they were ordered to.
You're not who you think you are and everyone's learning you aren't the "Good Guys" anymore like back in the day. Sorry. That's just the way it is. Your own actions have proved that out now for a long time. Nobody said shit because you were going after those pesky Negroes and their drugs or a Randy Weaver type so they gave you a pass. Well guess what. Now you're going after Americans for what now? Being American. For being PRO-Constitution. That means they're right wing nuts right! So shoot em' in their sleep. Make sure to fire off 500Million rounds while your at it.
Good Cops aren't Good if they allow the Bad to be Bad.
Being Pro-Constitution does not mean Anarchist. What exactly is your plan for say the scenario where we form militias, the police side with the political establishment, conflict breaks out, and say we win.... How are you going to maintain the peace? How do you plan to put the Constitution back in place?
If your answer is that the Militia will "police" everyone, and the heads of the Militia will decide, then your just planning a dictatorship.
The 2nd Amendment and Militias has never been a means to overthrow the Constitution or the Republic; it is the last line of defense for re-establishing the Constitutional Republic. And the FIRST lines of defense are election!
We are not headed for a Civil War, or hoping for one! We can eliminate the need for any of that just by holding our elected officials accountable today. In 1776, we didn't start the war. We didn't fire the first shot. We didn't provoke the conflict. We were organizing, electing, and lobbying for our Rights. They came for us! They came because they didn't like the way things were going.
If you haven't done EVERYTHING in your power short of Revolution, you've got no right to fire a single shot at anyone in Government. If you haven't at least done your civil duty, tried peaceful assembly and petition, you've got no business talking about force. If your not doing something other than raging and rioting, you've go no right to be on here bad-mouthing Law Enforcement, because they've done more than you.
The classic statist argument: How can we protect ourselves against people that want to rob from, kidnap and murder us? Let's give a ruling class the 'right' to rob from, kidnap and murder us!
Yup. I don't want to accuse anyone here, but we need to be wary of those who try to misdirect or rewrite the narrative of freedom and patriotism: Leftist plants who assume everyone has the same evil intent as theirs, (Leftists) tyrants in government positions who think they have a self-righteous calling to destroy anyone who dares oppose a politician or a law, even some actual extremists.
We are not the extremists. We are not Anarchists. We are not even anti-government. Reasonable men know there is and always will be a need for civil governance to restrain evil. We simply want to limit the extent of corruption, be responsive to evil wherever it lifts its head, fight back the corruption, and do our best to maximize personal liberties and freedoms.
They are actually easy to spot if you know the signs. (1) Advocating Anarchy (no government) or dis-establishment, (2) Urging violence before peaceful, lawful, other measures, or in situations where violence is not necessary, or where our government is already taking action, (3) Demonizing, dehumanizing, demeaning good men specifically or through generalization (like saying the police are ALL bad), (4) misinformation, false information, fake news ....just to name a few.
We need government. We have a the best Constitutional government in history. We have a Bill of Rights and a precedence of freedom, liberty, and prosperity. The issues we now face are not a need to destroy government, replace it, or pull it down.
We are facing: (A) Broad Leftist corruption in the form of Obama era Deep State who, by the way, are NOT following the Law and the Constitution; as they politically attack, break the law, cover up their own misdeeds, and struggle to hold onto their tyrannical power. (B) A permeation of anti-American ideology throughout our country, specifically among our youth. (C) An ingress of foreigners with nothing in common with our culture, morals, beliefs, or freedoms. (D) The rise of lobbying and activism from wealthy or foreign powers with an agenda not in our interests.
We do not need another Civil War. We can easily win this battle by re-establishing American values; (a) in our governing representatives and employees, (b) in our children and what they are taught, (c) Immigration reform that stops illegals, and vets out those who do not belong in our society, (d) taking back our information flow and protecting our rights, of Free Speech, even online.
The Truth will prevail. We only need to defend it, proclaim it. Communism is horrible tyrannical and no way an improvement on Capitalism. Socialism is a failure. Globalism is a failure. Progressivism is a failure. Liberalism is a failure. Atheism is a failure. The USA is, IS, the greatest nation in history to date. Personal Liberty is essential to prosperity. Racism is in the past. In God We Trust. United We Stand.
I appreciate your reply and thoughtful write up. There is a lot that I agree with, and I am open to the possibility that I'm wrong concerning the parts I don't agree with.
Firstly, I believe there is an inherent an observable difference between right action and wrong action. It is universal and immutable.
They are actually easy to spot if you know the signs. (1) Advocating Anarchy (no government) or dis-establishment,
There is no victim in this scenario.
(2) Urging violence before peaceful, lawful, other measures, or in situations where violence is not necessary, or where our government is already taking action,
This is a bit of a conflation, if our government was taking action to curb or restrict our natural rights, we're not allowed to call them out?
(3) Demonizing, dehumanizing, demeaning good men specifically or through generalization (like saying the police are ALL bad),
We have free will. Historically those who shirk this gift of nature end up doing dirty deeds. Ever hear of democide? Murder by government. Only, it's not the PMs or Princes doing the deeds.
(4) misinformation, false information, fake news ....just to name a few.
“Detectives were following up on a complaint from the public that Lemp, though prohibited, was in possession of firearms,” the release says without elaborating."
Must read. Words you don't want to use on Reddit, 4chan and probably .win unless you want a SWAT raid. His parents and younger brother were also home and very lucky they didn't all get killed too. Nobody in the family had a record. They never said what the warrant was for, I assume somebody online Red Flagged him and off they went.
Cops are people. Some are good. Some are pieces of shit. They are doing a tough job being exposed to the absolute worst in humanity day in and day out. Don't fall into the classic trap of the Vietnam War protestor and start calling all soldiers baby killers when they return home just because a few were absolute scum.
Let's see how this story plays out. If the PD tries to cover this up, the entire department needs to be disbanded.
I saw references to him being prohibited but no body seems to be able to point to a criminal record. Yesterday I saw references on various Facebook's groups that made mention of weed/bongs in some of his postings. Most likely they sent a heavily armed swat unit to a house in the middle of the night because weed+guns = terrorist or something
Since we're NOT on Reddit anymore let me just say this. The Police are NOT your Friends. They never were. We've got to let that BS go. Who arrested Roger Stone with a SWAT Team in the Dark? COPS. Who shot up this guy while asleep? COPS. Who is at the beck and call of the SJW infested Local and State Governments? COPS. Who carries out their orders even though they're against the Constitution? COPS.
We need to stop this Cop worship shit until we clean house. There's only a small handful of Sheriffs and others who are refusing to do this stuff but the other 99% are going along with it. In many cases if the LEO's complain they are fired by the Local and State Government Officials are replaced with COPS who WILL Shoot you when told to Shoot You!
Blindly accepting that "COPS are your Friends" is Fatal. This is a prime example.
ok. A) fuck your “all are bad because some are bad” bullshit. I used to be one, my best friend is one, and I am still friends with many. None of us would have pulled shit like this, so fuck off.
B) there are bad cops out there, and they need to go, but this fear mongering is bullshit because there ARE GOOD COPS OUT THERE
That is the problem.
Cops are too interested in "sticking together" and protecting their own.
They are simply not good enough at making sure they are free from any impropriety in fact and appearance and have lost the public's trust for that reason.
People feel nervous now when they see police. That is all you need to know.
A gang called by any other name would still smell as rotten.
Order followers have given up their freedom to choose, and replaced it with being told what to do for a paycheck. This is the the height of immoral behavior.
"one bad apple spoils the bunch"
In this case its a bunch of bad apples spoiling the few good ones left. Sorry you get lumped in with them
then u need to stand up to the bad cops out there.
tell your chief, your sergeant to publically announce that yall wont enforce red flag laws like the sheriff in ca did.
I’m not a cop anymore and I don’t support red flag laws, and cops I know don’t support red flag laws. I’m always hesitant to discuss something that just happened without all the details, but if this happened the way it was reported it was obviously wrong. But that doesn’t mean some town cop 2000 miles away is a bad cop because he doenst know the details but won’t jump up on a table and scream that it was wrong. Even cops on the same warrant service team won’t have all the details. I’m not defending their actions I’m railing against the “one cop is bad, all cops are bad” bullshit leftist rhetoric. Lefties have been pushing this bullshit down our throats for years. So many law enforcement officers go their entire careers without using their weapon, or even drawing their weapon, but yeah, because they have a badge and carry a gun, they’re a bad guy
They are the 'bad guy' only because they imagine they have more rights than others.
With all due respect to you and the other good cops, the ones who shoot up innocent people arent doing much to help your case and unfortunately in this case, "a few bad apples" leads to de facto death squads showing up one night and murdering you in your sleep.
My thinking is that this is another Obama Deep State type operation. This guy was just 21, a hot-headed kid. Say some CIA/FBI plant buddies up to him on the forums pretending to be a "co-conspirator". Now the CIA/FBI plant is a Liberal shill with no concept of 2nd Amendment rights to have arms, or 1st Amendment rights to talk shit about the government. In fact this ass-hat has no concept of non-dictatorial government (he missed his calling as Saddam Hussein's third sadistic son). So in this guys mind, 2nd Amendment Rights are an "extremist belief", and everyone of us who owns a gun is a psychopath waiting to reduce civilization to anarchy. Now he knows, this kid, Duncan Socrates Lemp, hasn't done anything, isn't planning anything, hasn't even said he intends to; but to get through the legal red-tape he needs "cause" for a red-flag warrant. So he pulls this kid aside into private chat, and starts getting him worked up with rhetoric. Then he starts pushing the legal boundaries and starts talking about actual attacks, killings, etc.. This kid didn't think this far ahead, about anything real; he was just spouting off. So he is caught a little off guard, not sure what to say, but doesn't want to disappoint his online friend and his extreme views. So, Duncan Socrates Lemp, makes the mistake of joining in on this "private" conversation, and adding some of his own dialog. Before you know it, this CIA/FBI prick has a pages of unfiltered rhetoric from this kid, which he then turns around to use as evidence for his red-flag warrant; but first he takes the time to call in an anonymous tip about the kids guns. So then this packet of "evidence" goes to a judge, who signs the warrant. This guy also makes sure to warn his "fellow-" law enforcement officers in the police about how dangerous this kid is, and makes sure they are all revved up. The police go there. Trigger-happy kills the kid while he's sleeping. And boom, you've got a murder story on the national news. So the police do what they do in the DC area, close ranks, hide evidence, and put out a narrative.
Meanwhile, your Deep-State shill is congratulating himself for circumventing 1st Amendment Rights of free-speech, 2nd Amendment Rights of owning guns, and the kid is dead so there is no one left to challenge those issues in court.
...which is why Red-Flag laws are unconstitutional, no decent law officer or "Good Cop" would ever enforce them, and everyone in that assassination chain of events is a murderer who deserves the death penalty. Will they get the death penalty? No.
An innocent kid and a patriot is dead, but here is the thing... they have exposed themselves for who they are; and, if we hold them accountable we can at least end all of their careers and clean up the justice system a little.
Yet here you are defending your "Boys in Blue" never once acknowledging that Things Change, Personnel Change and now they're virtually ALL a bunch of Sycophants ready to do this shit.
Nobody on that local Force is going to say shit about this. Nobody on that Force will hesitate to do it again.
Your argument against my "all are bad because some are bad" isn't really an argument. I don't care how many GOOD Cops there are. They don't do anything to stop this. They don't speak up about it. They'll even keep doing it because they're afraid to get fired. YOU, and I mean this personally, don't mean shit. Why? Because you won't DO Shit. You may as well not even be there. So if we don't/can't count on you as being there that leaves what now? Bad Cops. Nothing but Bad Cops all around.
You all showed your true colors during Christopher Dorner incident in California. You all ended up being a bunch of skittish, trigger happy thugs who ended up shooting and killing WAY more civilians than Dorner did. Between that incident and listening to L.A.'s finest crying like Little Bitches during the North Hollywood shootout showed me that you were now just a bunch of Bullies who, when confronted, turned into a bunch of pussies. That's who's in charge of the Police Forces in the Country now. Do I even have to mention the Portland PD standing by while AntiFa assaults people? How about the Charlottsville PD intentionally steering people into a fight and then only arresting one side while letting the others go because they were ordered to.
You're not who you think you are and everyone's learning you aren't the "Good Guys" anymore like back in the day. Sorry. That's just the way it is. Your own actions have proved that out now for a long time. Nobody said shit because you were going after those pesky Negroes and their drugs or a Randy Weaver type so they gave you a pass. Well guess what. Now you're going after Americans for what now? Being American. For being PRO-Constitution. That means they're right wing nuts right! So shoot em' in their sleep. Make sure to fire off 500Million rounds while your at it.
Good Cops aren't Good if they allow the Bad to be Bad.
Being Pro-Constitution does not mean Anarchist. What exactly is your plan for say the scenario where we form militias, the police side with the political establishment, conflict breaks out, and say we win.... How are you going to maintain the peace? How do you plan to put the Constitution back in place?
If your answer is that the Militia will "police" everyone, and the heads of the Militia will decide, then your just planning a dictatorship.
The 2nd Amendment and Militias has never been a means to overthrow the Constitution or the Republic; it is the last line of defense for re-establishing the Constitutional Republic. And the FIRST lines of defense are election!
We are not headed for a Civil War, or hoping for one! We can eliminate the need for any of that just by holding our elected officials accountable today. In 1776, we didn't start the war. We didn't fire the first shot. We didn't provoke the conflict. We were organizing, electing, and lobbying for our Rights. They came for us! They came because they didn't like the way things were going.
If you haven't done EVERYTHING in your power short of Revolution, you've got no right to fire a single shot at anyone in Government. If you haven't at least done your civil duty, tried peaceful assembly and petition, you've got no business talking about force. If your not doing something other than raging and rioting, you've go no right to be on here bad-mouthing Law Enforcement, because they've done more than you.
The classic statist argument: How can we protect ourselves against people that want to rob from, kidnap and murder us? Let's give a ruling class the 'right' to rob from, kidnap and murder us!
BIGBRAINTIME
Yup. I don't want to accuse anyone here, but we need to be wary of those who try to misdirect or rewrite the narrative of freedom and patriotism: Leftist plants who assume everyone has the same evil intent as theirs, (Leftists) tyrants in government positions who think they have a self-righteous calling to destroy anyone who dares oppose a politician or a law, even some actual extremists.
We are not the extremists. We are not Anarchists. We are not even anti-government. Reasonable men know there is and always will be a need for civil governance to restrain evil. We simply want to limit the extent of corruption, be responsive to evil wherever it lifts its head, fight back the corruption, and do our best to maximize personal liberties and freedoms.
They are actually easy to spot if you know the signs. (1) Advocating Anarchy (no government) or dis-establishment, (2) Urging violence before peaceful, lawful, other measures, or in situations where violence is not necessary, or where our government is already taking action, (3) Demonizing, dehumanizing, demeaning good men specifically or through generalization (like saying the police are ALL bad), (4) misinformation, false information, fake news ....just to name a few.
We need government. We have a the best Constitutional government in history. We have a Bill of Rights and a precedence of freedom, liberty, and prosperity. The issues we now face are not a need to destroy government, replace it, or pull it down.
We are facing: (A) Broad Leftist corruption in the form of Obama era Deep State who, by the way, are NOT following the Law and the Constitution; as they politically attack, break the law, cover up their own misdeeds, and struggle to hold onto their tyrannical power. (B) A permeation of anti-American ideology throughout our country, specifically among our youth. (C) An ingress of foreigners with nothing in common with our culture, morals, beliefs, or freedoms. (D) The rise of lobbying and activism from wealthy or foreign powers with an agenda not in our interests.
We do not need another Civil War. We can easily win this battle by re-establishing American values; (a) in our governing representatives and employees, (b) in our children and what they are taught, (c) Immigration reform that stops illegals, and vets out those who do not belong in our society, (d) taking back our information flow and protecting our rights, of Free Speech, even online.
The Truth will prevail. We only need to defend it, proclaim it. Communism is horrible tyrannical and no way an improvement on Capitalism. Socialism is a failure. Globalism is a failure. Progressivism is a failure. Liberalism is a failure. Atheism is a failure. The USA is, IS, the greatest nation in history to date. Personal Liberty is essential to prosperity. Racism is in the past. In God We Trust. United We Stand.
I appreciate your reply and thoughtful write up. There is a lot that I agree with, and I am open to the possibility that I'm wrong concerning the parts I don't agree with.
Firstly, I believe there is an inherent an observable difference between right action and wrong action. It is universal and immutable.
There is no victim in this scenario.
This is a bit of a conflation, if our government was taking action to curb or restrict our natural rights, we're not allowed to call them out?
We have free will. Historically those who shirk this gift of nature end up doing dirty deeds. Ever hear of democide? Murder by government. Only, it's not the PMs or Princes doing the deeds.
No moral person thinks it's ok to lie.
This x5000
I respect police but I don’t worship them spot of them are statists pieces of shit. Thankfully a lot of them have woke up
Allegedly shooting into a silent house? More to the story there must be. Trust no one.
Details?
Story so far
Commie Red Flag laws... Complete BS.
Must read. Words you don't want to use on Reddit, 4chan and probably .win unless you want a SWAT raid. His parents and younger brother were also home and very lucky they didn't all get killed too. Nobody in the family had a record. They never said what the warrant was for, I assume somebody online Red Flagged him and off they went.
Gun is good.
That's harrowing to say the least.
People need to go to jail for this, all the way to the judge who signed whatever order was stuff under their nose.
There has to be more to this story
I don't think there is. The silence from the police department is deafening.
Fairly good odds the bodycam footage goes missing. These aren't good cops — that much is fairly self-evident.
They claimed he was prohibited from owning firearms despite lacking a criminal record. These are swamp creatures we're dealing with
Sounds like he was likely prohibited when the Red Flag call was made and they rolled in and shot them through the window in their sleep.
Cops are people. Some are good. Some are pieces of shit. They are doing a tough job being exposed to the absolute worst in humanity day in and day out. Don't fall into the classic trap of the Vietnam War protestor and start calling all soldiers baby killers when they return home just because a few were absolute scum.
Let's see how this story plays out. If the PD tries to cover this up, the entire department needs to be disbanded.
Suburbs 2 miles Nth of DC. If they don't want the truth out then it won't come out.
Not all, just the vast majority.
The non dirty/shitty cops are just as bad for maintaining the wall of silence. They're enablers-
I agree completely. I feel the same way about Muslims. And about us as a subreddit (or former one I should say).
huh? What were they doing firing on the house? Something's notnright here.
Wtf is wrong with ABC, calling a dead guy an internet troll? What a bunch of dirty fucks.
So red flag law?
I saw references to him being prohibited but no body seems to be able to point to a criminal record. Yesterday I saw references on various Facebook's groups that made mention of weed/bongs in some of his postings. Most likely they sent a heavily armed swat unit to a house in the middle of the night because weed+guns = terrorist or something
Apparently they decided he couldn't own guns anymore despite not charging him with any crime.
I wonder what the polices story is? ...apart from the fact that he used he full real name, called out their scanner tech, and used the word boogaloo?
EDIT: Maybe he had Coronavirus....
buT I sUpPoRT tHE PolIcE
This is glowing.