This whole thing stinks to high heaven. At most so far 59 people have died, with most of them being in one nursing home in Kirkland WA. The media is fear mongering harder than ever to make orange man look bad. Schools and businesses are closing which is sure to send us into recession if not worse. Out of 330,000,000 people, 59 have died in the US and everything is screeching to a halt. Something isn't right here but it's fucking everything up. The economy was the best it's ever been in the history of our country and now everything is going to shit because of less than 100 deaths. More people probably die each year from skiing accidents. This is un fucking believable.
EDIT: I'm not saying this is a total hoax. I'm saying the media overreaction is making things way worse than they have to be. Panicking is never going to make anything better. If this is truly as bad as some of you are saying, I hope it justifies sending our economy into great depression 2 Corona boogaloo
We could have millions of cases. It's still less lethal than the flu. Get over it
No, this is not less lethal than the flu. It is the flu. The reason coronavirus is more lethal than the common flu is what happens afterward. The SARS line of viruses are extremely good at attacking your immune cells inside your respiratory tract. So the flu itself is not what kills you. It's your body's natural ability to fight off bateria that the virus is killing. That is what pneumonia is caused by - bacteria - and it's very hard to come back once you have severe pneumonia. Also the elderly are much less likely to fight it off. So "just the flu" is a very misleading and dangerous statement to make about SARS line of viruses. The reason coronaavirus is SARS ON CRACK is because it can spread like wildfire before any symptoms arise. Thus every person can theoretically be infecting 100 other people before they even have a single symptom. This is called exponential growth and if you know anything about exponents, it means if we don't stop it now eventually everyone will catch it within a few months.
edit: Recommend reading replies that are schooling me on what I said above, which I will be learning from. Thanks
I think that's the point of this freakout - it's too late to stop it. There's a diseases that can incubate for two weeks without symptoms and then suddenly onset to cause so real damage? Yeah - good luck containing that.
It may be too late to stop it, but it's not too late to SLOW IT DOWN.
Slowing it down could mean the difference between life and death for those that will become critically ill after contracting this virus.
We don't have the excess ICU space (about 95K beds, about 2/3rds already in use) to handle a sudden influx of critically ill patients.
Don’t get me wrong - I’m not advocating that we don’t try and slow the spread, but we need to manage some realistic expectations.
It’s going to get everywhere. For many - myself included - hunkering down at home for a few weeks isn’t an option. I’m the sole income for a wife and three kids, so I’ll find work when my employer decides not to pay me a free “vacation.” Multiply my situation by every other similar circumstance and we’ve got a huge problem.
China has more or less contained it, and if China can do it, so can we.
I don't believe a thing that comes out of China.
It's probably worse over there than we are lead to believe.
Found the Chinese Reddit bot!
Don't believe a fucking thing Chyna says.
China didn’t try to #FlattenTheCurve.
They just quarantined some cities and let if flame out in a burst of glory to get it over with. Notice how all Apple stores have already reopened in China? “Flattening the curve” with social distance will indeed likely lower the number of cases contracted, but not enough to significantly ease any hospital resource shortages enough. It will also greatly prolong the negative economic effects.
China was actually smart in my opinion in letting it essentially burn itself out in a blaze of glory. They’re already getting back to normal.
https://flattenthecurve.herokuapp.com/
I think the point though is that its only potentially fatal to a very small percentage of people - there is no vaccone or cure, and the virus is already here. Shutting everything down to the point people are losing their 401ks is asinine when all we're doing is prolonging the inevitable, that without a vax everyone is eventually going to get it. And said vax could take years, or maybe even never be created.
The point is, go about your life, be smart and if you feel sick don't go near elderly people until youre better.
You bet your ass it will, this is a great time to make some money while the market is down. It will go sky high soon enough.
Flattening the curve will literally prolong the economic shutdown by months, maybe even up until around Election Day. You don’t want basically everything shutdown and self-quarantined for all of spring, summer, and a bit of autumn.
It's not just elderly people at risk. Anyone with a compromised immune system is at risk, and that includes people on immunosuppresants like Enbrel, Humira, and Talz.
If you're not feeling well, please stay home. Your neighbor or co-worker may be on immunosuppressants, and you'd never know.
It's smart because we can slow the spread of the virus. This gives us more time to ramp up testing and protocols to fight it. The more experience we have dealing with this disease the more we can lower the death rate. Its also believed that the virus cannot survive very hot weather . If we make it to june/july without severe community spread we will be okay, and the economy we rebound bigly.
Well if you want to mince words, the flu is caused by influenza.
The SARS line of viruses uses the alveolar epithelial type II cells (ACE2) as a target. It does not attack immune cells directly. If you heard that somewhere, it probably evolved from the "OMG ITZ LIKE HIV" bullshit rumor that was spreading around.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-020-05985-9
Just like the flu, the elderly are most likely to die from dehydration, whilst being slightly more at risk for uncommon complications.
This is every respiratory disease. Flu is 1-4 days. Original SARS is up to 14 days. Please stop sipping the Kool-aid:
https://www.medicinenet.com/severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_sars/article.htm
Lecturing a scientist on "exponential growth" is not going to win you any bonus points. Especially when the basic MOA of the disease is completely foreign to you.
Support your argument with actual data and try again. In the meantime, I'm going home. Work on a Sunday is bullshit.
If you knew anything about epidemiology, you wouldn't make that statement. Look up Farr's Law.
Or ask yourself: why has the virus already peaked in China, which has 1 billion people and a far higher rate of exposure?
China did extensive and thorough quarantines. We don’t have that here to nearly the same extent.
Yeah, they only quarantined after massive exposure, yet still....it peaked.
China totally botched the quarantines. That's the truth. They let it spread unchecked for two months - including letting 5 million people out of wuhan and then decided to clamp down like crazy to compensate.
But that is not the best approach.. China is trying to seem superior to the West but they are not..
You should hear what happens when a bad flu hits a nursing home.
How come we haven’t heard about any other nursing home anywhere in the US getting hit ?
There had been cases in at least two WA nursing homes. Also a healthcare worker in a top Boston Hospital just tested positive. It's going to spread, that's just reality. The risk to general population though, is low. The problem is older people and of course people with pre existing conditions.
Because the disease isn’t that widespread yet.
By now you have heard about at least a few more nursing homes with an outbreak - have you ever been to some of these nursing homes ?
Yes, a bunch of people who have pneumonia will die.
I just beat it at 62! I also have an illness that makes me a target for secondary infection etc. thus why I got pneumonia after having the flu. Yes I got my shot, but they don’t normally give pneumonia shots to anyone under 65. Guess who’s going to demand one every year now!
Imagine what would happen if these nursing homes got hit by the flu. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine. We have data.
Imagine what would happen if we removed all those deaths that occurred because of dehydration. We'd have about 40 deaths.
There’s a huge senior retirement complex near my house. Yesterday I drove past and they now have security check in at the front gate. I’m glad they are protecting our elders. They (we) are most at risk.
The rest of this shut down is crap.
Yes. Infection rate of corona versus A&B flu is 4%. That puts overall death rate for corona at one tenth of one percent to one twentieth of one percent.
It's 10x more lethal than the flu.
I came down with something in early February that put me on my ass.
Fever causing me to sweat, phlegm and a constant cough that made my pounding headache worse.
I bounced back within a few days. No idea what that was.
If you "bounced back within a few days" then it sounds like regular flu.
We don't know how lethal it is because we don't know how many people have it.
You won’t bounce back from the flu in a couple of days. That would be a cold.
I almost typed that. Agree.
If you had a lot of phlegm, it was probably seasonal flu. COVID-19 is specifically a dry cough.
It wasn't a lot of phlegm. I remember my head pounding every time I coughed which had never happened before. It came on very quickly after visiting a friend who's wife was sick.
I was sweating while running a meeting at work which never happens. I usually run hot but sweat pooling on my forehead was strange.
I went home early, worked from home the next day and went back in because colleagues couldn't figure out shit without me in the office.
I was washing my hands constantly and bought Lysol wipes.
Not saying it was the Chinese Wuhan virus just saying it was strange.
I just got back from international travel for work and I'm self quarantining right now.
I had the exact symptoms you had. But I ended up with pneumonia cause I’m older and have a weakened immune system. Glad you’re all better! But I beat the pneumonia too.
You can’t keep us elder pedes down. We’re tough and we’re pissed off.
10x may be a bit exaggerated due to the lack of testing. The limited tests were focused on the severely ill and at-risk. As more testing is done I believe that this rate will drop.
10x is the low estimate - it is being realized in countries that were able to contain their outbreaks below the capacity of their hospitals. In countries where the hospitals are overwhelmed, the fatality rate is averaging around 30x more lethal than the flu.
The rough breakdown is 80% mild symptoms - rest and recover at home. 15% severe symptoms - need hospitalization. 5% critical symptoms - need ICU care.
Of the critical cases that require an ICU, about 1 in 5 die no matter what. The prognosis for the other 4 depends on the availability of ICU care. If there are enough ventilators, enough monitors, enough doctors, enough nurses - most of them will recover. If there are not enough, most of them will die.
Spez - in case it wasn't obvious the flu death rate is about 0.1%, 10x is 1% which corresponds to the "1 in 5" of the 5% of critical cases. 30x corresponds to just over half of that same critical 5% dying.
Also, the people who survive do not appear to be "just fine" when they recover. We don't know the long term yet, but the people who require ventilation are fucked up by it and could be crippled for years or for life.
Data?
Cool story bro
How about you put a fucking ounce of effort in your comment.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-the-difference-between-a-1-and-0-1-fatality-rate-is-huge/
Quit being such a combative faggot and use bing.
Oh wow! A doctor associated with Trump said it so it must be true!
Except for that fact that he is either working with a limited data set or not using a data set at all.
Time to use those critical thinking skills for once in your life. I know high school was rough for you, but critical thinking is a skill that needs to be employed for life.