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Many of us were saying that back in the 90's. Didnt turn out too well. These days you will never get a majority of Americans to give up ridiculously cheap disposable goods. If we seriously took on China we could solve so many problems including pollution but the typical American consumer only gives a shit about themselves.
It depends on how bad coronavirus ends up being in the US. Pretty much everyone has already had a direct impact - be it work, schools closing, restaurants/bars closing, the markets nosediving, etc.
It's early now, but once America is through this it will be imperative that Trump place the blame on China. Their inaction allowed this virus to become a global pandemic. Our dependence upon them for supply chains put American lives at risk. Etc. etc.
A friend of mine is seriously unhealthy and was excited to start going to the gym with me and another friend starting from tonight at 9:30 PM. NYS has declared all gyms will be shut down after 8 PM tonight indefinitely. Cuomo's about to tank hundreds of small businesses, with this kind of shit.
People might have a change of heart, now. If so then the great TP wars of 2020 were not in vain. Twould be a small price to pay.
Yet 5 years from now our economy would be completely different. Has anyone here ever perused through r/buyitforlife? I dare say not one such product was ever made in China. We'd pay for quality, not junk.
That's not the problem. Anything coming from China that is more than plastic and lead garbage is built with stolen IP, currency manipulation, human rights and environmental destruction, and unfair trade practices.
Americans are getting robbed, a fraction of the proceeds of the robbery go to buying them cheap gifts, and then they're expected to be grateful for it.
If the screws were turned on China, they were forced to pay for their theft and anticompetitive practices, and sanctioned for human rights abuses, the production of the cheap stuff would move to other countries who deserve more business (and many of them are victims of China's aggression in the region). And the profits from more expensive high tech products would be going to American inventors and companies.
Genocide, organ trafficking, oppression of dissent, atrocious levels of pollution (especially of the ocean), state atheism, blatant corruption, manipulation of information, incompetence during crisis...
Also, offer amnesty to the CIA and FBI if they confess and turn over the evidence that the MSM is actually on the payroll of the ChiComms. That would explain why they're all Praising China right now.
You do realize that all of the Big 6 news corporations (~82 of all American Media, tv, radio, print and internet,) are filled with former CIA and FBI at all levels... right? Yes, even Fox.
I'm very sure that FOX is just controlled opposition (with scant exceptions).
Seriously, I trust no news outlet to directly get information from. I stay informed thanks to dialogue in places like this, Reddit and /pol/, be it in MAGA, alt-right, liberal or leftist circles.
Through the banks which are increasingly influenced by China?
Unilaterally, just have the US say "I'm not paying you, China?" Do that and they'll destroy their credit rating. How much more interest do you think the US would have to pay on a 20 trillion dollar debt?
Confiscate Chinese owned property within your own borders. It's only a problem since China could retaliate by doing the same thing within Chinese borders, but since they're already doing that by stealing every bit of IP of any company with factories over there who gives a shit.
Time to accept we are and have been for decades in a full-scale economic war with China and start acting like it.
I'd guess the companies that moved production to China think they own their equipment in the Chinese factories. Those CEOs probably didn't study what happened to Fellowes when they sent manufacturing to China.
There are few paper shredders in the world that can rip an A4 piece of paper into 2,000 pieces, and come with functions like SilentShred, SafeSense, and “100% Jam Proof”—and most that do have the name “Fellowes” printed on top. But consumers may soon be able to buy, say, the deluxe Powershred C-480Cx, without the Fellowes brand, because the company’s entire business in China has been stolen by its joint venture partner.
We, and every other nation affected, must settle the loans with China that have precious collateral (especially the resources in Africa) attached for nonpayment in the stead of debtor nations. They can owe us in trade.
Then we, as a world, default on our debt to China citing how much of a loss this pandemic situation and response cost us. Include total estimated losses to the economy--stock market, lost wages, deaths, lost trade/manufacturing. If this still doesn't seem enough, throw in estimated losses from IP theft just for poops and giggles.
Make it one righteously angry debt jubilee enforced on China.
And give Taiwan China's seat in the UN. Just because.
Edit: "Never let a crisis go to waste," is good advice when applied ethically. Wish our side applied this to our advantage more often.
Seconded. They infect the world year after year with their viruses created by the Chinese people's habit of sleeping in close proximity to their livestock (ducks and chickens).
Seconded. They infect the world year after year with their viruses created by the Chinese people's habit of sleeping in close proximity to their livestock (ducks and chickens).
But they get something in return for that, they should pay and get nothing for this except a collective "Get your shit together" from the rest of the world.
I must say that if China has become so rich, its doing so well, it can afford to forgive the debts. I'm not sure to who or for what our 23 trillion is indebted to but if it's China then their economy is kicking so hard that they don't need it. just in the Bible every 7 years and 50 years debts were forgiven and interest was never charged
Was just thinking about this today. Our economy is about to be wrecked. OK China, you wanna play? Wipe all debt and knock off your shit in the south ASIAN Ocean. Or we'll just take what we want by force. You have 24 hours to comply.
THIS, people are going to lose a lot of money over this (i know im already down 10k in NCAA game fees i would have made for the next two and a half months. If these chinese commmies don't pay sign me up for a ground invasion.
kept saying this in Reddit only to get downvoted or 'it is not the time to say this' or 'China did great after the outbreak MUCH BETTER THAN WESTERN COUNTRIES' i mean excuse me? They fucked up big and start cleaning up the mess and that is 'a great response'? what the fuck is going on these days
Yes, tell Democrats that China can pay for free health care, “canceling” student loan debt and transgendered reassignment surgeries. That might garner their support.
Just hold the funds for their debt until they get a non-communist government. Or write a check to Taiwan with China's money and let them figure out what to do with it.
I'm pretty sure that all this TP purchasing is just the collective unconscious remembering that China is asshole. It must be wiped from the face of the Earth.
Yep. Tawhidi is an Iranian-born and Iranian-educated Shiite imam. He worships a demon-god who is a liar. He idolizes a pedophile warlord who was a liar. He is no different from Linda Sarsour. They both use lies, half-truths, and omissions, all carefully crafted for a Western audience, and all of it thoroughly dependent on you having no idea where they're coming from and not being familiar with the texts they're referencing. They get away with painting their fabricated, fantasy versions of Islam because no one challenges them to prove their claims.
Islam is deception. Islam TELLS Muslims over and over and over in the Koran, ahadith, sira, and Islamic law, to DECEIVE and LIE to us non-Muslims in endless variety of ways and methods. Remember that to a Muslim - any Muslim, that includes Tawhidi - you are literally sub-human (Koran 8:55 and 98:6). Lying to you doesn't matter in the least.
Tawhidi is a proven liar. Anyone who lies so often and so easily is not to be trusted.
Why are you guys still sucking this Muslims dick? Stop giving this pedo worshiper any more clicks! No Muslim is on our side; they will lie to spread the word of islam, especially the ones who seem the most trust worthy like this faggot.
Exactly. Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. This is deeply rooted in Islamic teaching, beginning 1400 years ago with the examples set by the founder of their cult, Mohammed, and they've been doing it ever since. Mohammed is considered by Muslims to have been the perfect human being and they are to emulate him in literally every way (Koran 33:21 and 68:4).
Allah was a liar. Koran 3:54 says "Allah is the best of deceivers." (Who else is called "the father of lies?" Hm...) The Arabic word used is makara which literally means "deceit." If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Mohammed was a liar. He infamously said, "War is deceit." (Sahih Bukhari 52:269) The context for this was slaughter of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed companions by Mohammed's soldiers, after they had been disarmed and "guaranteed" safe passage.
There are several different forms of lying that are sacred to Muslims:
Taqiyya is saying something that isn't true as it relates to the Muslim identity. This is a Shiite term. The Sunni counterpart is muda'rat.
Kitman is lying by omission.
Tawriya is intentionally creating a false impression.
Muruna is "blending in" by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others.
Remember that to a Muslim - any Muslim, that includes Tawhidi - you are literally sub-human (Koran 8:55 and 98:6). Lying to you doesn't matter in the least.
The average Chinese person likes you as much as you like/care about them. Trust me, the dirt farmers don't think about you at all. They let communism roll over them for a century. Fuck em. Change from within or don't. Either way cut them off.
Ohh! Winnie the Poo would have such a lumbry in his tumbry!!
Next you'll want to form a worldwide coalition to secure freedom of navigation throughout the south China sea for the next 60 years
And everyone boycott China.
China is asshoe.
China should be boycotted
Many of us were saying that back in the 90's. Didnt turn out too well. These days you will never get a majority of Americans to give up ridiculously cheap disposable goods. If we seriously took on China we could solve so many problems including pollution but the typical American consumer only gives a shit about themselves.
It depends on how bad coronavirus ends up being in the US. Pretty much everyone has already had a direct impact - be it work, schools closing, restaurants/bars closing, the markets nosediving, etc.
It's early now, but once America is through this it will be imperative that Trump place the blame on China. Their inaction allowed this virus to become a global pandemic. Our dependence upon them for supply chains put American lives at risk. Etc. etc.
A friend of mine is seriously unhealthy and was excited to start going to the gym with me and another friend starting from tonight at 9:30 PM. NYS has declared all gyms will be shut down after 8 PM tonight indefinitely. Cuomo's about to tank hundreds of small businesses, with this kind of shit.
Hell, go for a walk and get 10000 steps a day. Eat healthier unprocessed foods. The gym isn’t a necessity to get healthy.
All part of the commie plan.
1.Tank the economy.
You didn't have trump in the 90s you had Clinton. He gave China a big piece of our economy and tech transfer that should never have happened.
That and giving nukes to North Korea.
We were actually saying this back in the 1980's
People might have a change of heart, now. If so then the great TP wars of 2020 were not in vain. Twould be a small price to pay.
Yet 5 years from now our economy would be completely different. Has anyone here ever perused through r/buyitforlife? I dare say not one such product was ever made in China. We'd pay for quality, not junk.
Don't drop your phone!
That's not the problem. Anything coming from China that is more than plastic and lead garbage is built with stolen IP, currency manipulation, human rights and environmental destruction, and unfair trade practices.
Americans are getting robbed, a fraction of the proceeds of the robbery go to buying them cheap gifts, and then they're expected to be grateful for it.
If the screws were turned on China, they were forced to pay for their theft and anticompetitive practices, and sanctioned for human rights abuses, the production of the cheap stuff would move to other countries who deserve more business (and many of them are victims of China's aggression in the region). And the profits from more expensive high tech products would be going to American inventors and companies.
The hell we can't.
Go look what is happening in Mexico right now and the next 90 days.
Takes 15 days for a shipping container to get from Shanghai to LA, it takes an average of 5 from Mexico.
Labor is cheap and we've got a free trade agreement already in place.
Mexico has been positioning themselves for this for some time actually.
Boycott China, and they would be back in the Stone Age in 6-8 months.
Because, communism.
Yes!! Now that's what we all want to see! It'd be the cheapest way to restore our place in the world as lone uncontested superpower.
Do you want us to be contested?
And if the CCP falls, so does the DPRK. Kim Jong Un and Xi Jingping would both get Gaddafied. We can only pray.
Creates disproportionate pollution too
We are funding slave labor.
Genocide, organ trafficking, oppression of dissent, atrocious levels of pollution (especially of the ocean), state atheism, blatant corruption, manipulation of information, incompetence during crisis...
Agreed!
Also, offer amnesty to the CIA and FBI if they confess and turn over the evidence that the MSM is actually on the payroll of the ChiComms. That would explain why they're all Praising China right now.
You do realize that all of the Big 6 news corporations (~82 of all American Media, tv, radio, print and internet,) are filled with former CIA and FBI at all levels... right? Yes, even Fox.
I'm very sure that FOX is just controlled opposition (with scant exceptions).
Seriously, I trust no news outlet to directly get information from. I stay informed thanks to dialogue in places like this, Reddit and /pol/, be it in MAGA, alt-right, liberal or leftist circles.
Nice post. Fact.
Cool now do how 4/6 ofThe big 6 media are owned and operated by Jews:
National Amusements: Sumner Redstone (Sumner Murray Rothstien)
Disney: Bob Iger
Time Warner: Gary L. Ginsberg
Comcast: Brian L Roberts
News Corp: Rupert Murdoch
Sony: Kazuo Hirai
Holy shit. I think he figured it out.
Sounds good in theory. How do you enforce it?
Through the UN, where China has veto power?
Through the banks which are increasingly influenced by China?
Unilaterally, just have the US say "I'm not paying you, China?" Do that and they'll destroy their credit rating. How much more interest do you think the US would have to pay on a 20 trillion dollar debt?
Confiscate Chinese owned property within your own borders. It's only a problem since China could retaliate by doing the same thing within Chinese borders, but since they're already doing that by stealing every bit of IP of any company with factories over there who gives a shit.
Time to accept we are and have been for decades in a full-scale economic war with China and start acting like it.
Foreigners aren't allowed to own property in China. Every factory that moves overseas is really just hiring a Chinese firm to do the dirty work.
They have nothing of ours to confiscate, we have their parked dollars in empty real estate.
I'd guess the companies that moved production to China think they own their equipment in the Chinese factories. Those CEOs probably didn't study what happened to Fellowes when they sent manufacturing to China.
Fellowes “Brought To Its Knees In China.” Blame The Joint Venture?
Exactly.
We must decolateralize our Federal lands that are held for chinese loans.
It would be a molon labe situation, no need to enforce anything. It would mean the end of any sort of trade with those countries though.
Basically: "Your debts are now void. If you don't like it, we'll repay you with high velocity lead."
Look up the Belt and Road Initiative.
We, and every other nation affected, must settle the loans with China that have precious collateral (especially the resources in Africa) attached for nonpayment in the stead of debtor nations. They can owe us in trade.
Then we, as a world, default on our debt to China citing how much of a loss this pandemic situation and response cost us. Include total estimated losses to the economy--stock market, lost wages, deaths, lost trade/manufacturing. If this still doesn't seem enough, throw in estimated losses from IP theft just for poops and giggles.
Make it one righteously angry debt jubilee enforced on China.
And give Taiwan China's seat in the UN. Just because.
Edit: "Never let a crisis go to waste," is good advice when applied ethically. Wish our side applied this to our advantage more often.
Someone give this to Trump
Oh my god I hate the UN but giving China's seat to Taiwan would make it worth staying in for a bit longer. Trolling on a global scale right there.
Nukes
The Dems gave China advanced nuke tech
Well kick them out of all organization like the UN right off the bat.
So much easier for us to just kick the UN out of the US.
Seconded. They infect the world year after year with their viruses created by the Chinese people's habit of sleeping in close proximity to their livestock (ducks and chickens).
This
Made in China SHOULD BE ILLEGAL after this
Contains 100% pure freedom. Made in Detroit.
I'd be fine with seeing this label on my day to day shit.
He means created, let loose, and then ignored. The Chinese government should absolutely pay.
But they get something in return for that, they should pay and get nothing for this except a collective "Get your shit together" from the rest of the world.
The CCP should be wiped after this ! Xinnie the Pooh and his party of evil have to be braught to justice!
I must say that if China has become so rich, its doing so well, it can afford to forgive the debts. I'm not sure to who or for what our 23 trillion is indebted to but if it's China then their economy is kicking so hard that they don't need it. just in the Bible every 7 years and 50 years debts were forgiven and interest was never charged
Making theis statement while living in Australia is the second bravest thing after wearing a maga hat in coastal cities
Was just thinking about this today. Our economy is about to be wrecked. OK China, you wanna play? Wipe all debt and knock off your shit in the south ASIAN Ocean. Or we'll just take what we want by force. You have 24 hours to comply.
How about we just cut off all business with China?
The only problem with this is that our dear "allies" in Europe will not and they will then have a competitive advantage over us.
I agree with him. They are to blame and they owe the world.
THIS, people are going to lose a lot of money over this (i know im already down 10k in NCAA game fees i would have made for the next two and a half months. If these chinese commmies don't pay sign me up for a ground invasion.
kept saying this in Reddit only to get downvoted or 'it is not the time to say this' or 'China did great after the outbreak MUCH BETTER THAN WESTERN COUNTRIES' i mean excuse me? They fucked up big and start cleaning up the mess and that is 'a great response'? what the fuck is going on these days
It's mostly knocking anything pro trump, America, or common sense. These people will literally praise Hitler if it makes Trump look bad.
This was an attack. It was an act of biological warfare.
Yes, tell Democrats that China can pay for free health care, “canceling” student loan debt and transgendered reassignment surgeries. That might garner their support.
Yep. Cancel the debt they "own". Fuck them.
There's a lot else I've listed in previous comments, but this would be a big one.
Just hold the funds for their debt until they get a non-communist government. Or write a check to Taiwan with China's money and let them figure out what to do with it.
I would completely support this. China should pay reparations for their research run amok on the world.
Buy American for Americans
Great idea. I love it.
No need to wipe the debt, just stop using them for manufacturing.
Why not both?
#IgnoreChineseDebt
I'm pretty sure that all this TP purchasing is just the collective unconscious remembering that China is asshole. It must be wiped from the face of the Earth.
Me rikey!!!
That would be fucking epic, if every country which has debt held by China just said fuck you we aint giving you shit.
Cancel china's bonds
Can we class action China?
Take Hong Kong back for the western world.
I think that you should have to tell where something is manufactured before you can sell it. (Amazon) Let the consumer decide.
Agree 100%
Yep. Tawhidi is an Iranian-born and Iranian-educated Shiite imam. He worships a demon-god who is a liar. He idolizes a pedophile warlord who was a liar. He is no different from Linda Sarsour. They both use lies, half-truths, and omissions, all carefully crafted for a Western audience, and all of it thoroughly dependent on you having no idea where they're coming from and not being familiar with the texts they're referencing. They get away with painting their fabricated, fantasy versions of Islam because no one challenges them to prove their claims.
Islam is deception. Islam TELLS Muslims over and over and over in the Koran, ahadith, sira, and Islamic law, to DECEIVE and LIE to us non-Muslims in endless variety of ways and methods. Remember that to a Muslim - any Muslim, that includes Tawhidi - you are literally sub-human (Koran 8:55 and 98:6). Lying to you doesn't matter in the least.
Tawhidi is a proven liar. Anyone who lies so often and so easily is not to be trusted.
Lads & Ladies, do not be trusting this guy. He is not on our side.
He definitely is not.
This guy makes sense for sure!
imam of justice!
Why are you guys still sucking this Muslims dick? Stop giving this pedo worshiper any more clicks! No Muslim is on our side; they will lie to spread the word of islam, especially the ones who seem the most trust worthy like this faggot.
Exactly. Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. This is deeply rooted in Islamic teaching, beginning 1400 years ago with the examples set by the founder of their cult, Mohammed, and they've been doing it ever since. Mohammed is considered by Muslims to have been the perfect human being and they are to emulate him in literally every way (Koran 33:21 and 68:4).
Allah was a liar. Koran 3:54 says "Allah is the best of deceivers." (Who else is called "the father of lies?" Hm...) The Arabic word used is makara which literally means "deceit." If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Mohammed was a liar. He infamously said, "War is deceit." (Sahih Bukhari 52:269) The context for this was slaughter of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed companions by Mohammed's soldiers, after they had been disarmed and "guaranteed" safe passage.
There are several different forms of lying that are sacred to Muslims:
Taqiyya is saying something that isn't true as it relates to the Muslim identity. This is a Shiite term. The Sunni counterpart is muda'rat.
Kitman is lying by omission.
Tawriya is intentionally creating a false impression.
Muruna is "blending in" by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others.
Remember that to a Muslim - any Muslim, that includes Tawhidi - you are literally sub-human (Koran 8:55 and 98:6). Lying to you doesn't matter in the least.
More about the four types of lies here.
Muruna: Violating Sharia to Fool the West
Muslims lying about taqiyya
Islam is deceit. Islam is hate. Islam is death.
The Chinese PEOPLE have already suffered terribly. How do we punish the GOVERNMENT.
Ooof. This guy histories.
If and when any people, in any country, want change - or freedom - they will rise up and make it happen.
The average Chinese person likes you as much as you like/care about them. Trust me, the dirt farmers don't think about you at all. They let communism roll over them for a century. Fuck em. Change from within or don't. Either way cut them off.
Tell the people the mandate from heaven has been removed. They will take care of the rest.