Good points, but to be fair, we should still be pro free speech. You don't want to become what you oppose. See - if somebody writes something silly or something you disagree with - debate him, insult him, troll him - but outright censorship is bad.
See it this way - assume you fight ideas. The only way to propagate your ideas and to defeat others is to talk. If you censor each other over words and bad ideas, people won't change their mind, and see you as intellectually intolerant - and thus have a reason to oppose Trump and his supporters because "look at them." We want us to look good - and in my opinion we do a pretty fine job at that.
Now the complication is this: Wanting to look good may goes contrary to the idea of free speech. Having fun and joking may yield offensive things and hurt weak people's feelings, but trying to moderate everything meticulously will kill the forum, make it sterile, less popular and boring. But how about this: The sheer fact that we have a high magnitude of free speech is the very thing that makes us appealing.
And if it means some (not too many, gotta maintain a concept of proper border control) leftists spew their crap and get verbally nuked - so be it.
True. Outright trolling is totally fine to be deported. If they come here to provoke and troll us, fire them to hell and beyond. But in this case the guy, whose message is now deleted, had a fair point in regards to free speech - even if slightly provocative.
For example if messages get downvoted into oblivion - make them hidden but expandable instead of being deleted. If they get downvoted even beyond another threshold, delete them. That would provide some level of user self-moderation, and give censorship a gradient.
Good points, but to be fair, we should still be pro free speech. You don't want to become what you oppose. See - if somebody writes something silly or something you disagree with - debate him, insult him, troll him - but outright censorship is bad.
See it this way - assume you fight ideas. The only way to propagate your ideas and to defeat others is to talk. If you censor each other over words and bad ideas, people won't change their mind, and see you as intellectually intolerant - and thus have a reason to oppose Trump and his supporters because "look at them." We want us to look good - and in my opinion we do a pretty fine job at that.
Now the complication is this: Wanting to look good may goes contrary to the idea of free speech. Having fun and joking may yield offensive things and hurt weak people's feelings, but trying to moderate everything meticulously will kill the forum, make it sterile, less popular and boring. But how about this: The sheer fact that we have a high magnitude of free speech is the very thing that makes us appealing.
And if it means some (not too many, gotta maintain a concept of proper border control) leftists spew their crap and get verbally nuked - so be it.
True. Outright trolling is totally fine to be deported. If they come here to provoke and troll us, fire them to hell and beyond. But in this case the guy, whose message is now deleted, had a fair point in regards to free speech - even if slightly provocative.
For example if messages get downvoted into oblivion - make them hidden but expandable instead of being deleted. If they get downvoted even beyond another threshold, delete them. That would provide some level of user self-moderation, and give censorship a gradient.