LOCKDOWN: Announcement by President Trump.
15 days to slow the spread
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Listen to and follow the directions of your STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES
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IF YOU FEEL SICK, STAY HOME. Do not go to work. Contact your medical provider
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If your children are sick, KEEP THEM AT HOME. Do not send them to school. Contact your medical provider.
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IF SOMEONE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD HAS TESTED POSITIVE for the coronavirus, keep the entire household at home. Do not go to work. Do not go to school. Contact your medical provider.
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IF YOU ARE AN OLDER PERSON, stay home and away from other people.
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IF YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A SERIOUS UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITION that can put you at increased risk (for example a condition that impairs your lung or heart function or weakens your immune system), stay home and away from other people.
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DO YOUR PART TO SLOW THE SPREAD OF THE CORONAVIRUS
Even if you are young, or otherwise healthy, you are at risk and your activities can increase the risk for others. It is critical that you do your part to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
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Work or engage in schooling from home whenever possible
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If you work in a CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INDUSTRY such as healthcare services and pharmaceuticals and food supply, you have a special responsibility to maintain your normal work schedule. You and your employers should follow CDC guidelines to protect your health at work.
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AVOID SOCIAL GATHERINGS in groups of more than 10 people.
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Avoid eating or drinking at bars, restaurants, and foot courts-- USE DRIVE-THRU, PICKUP, OR DELIVERY OPTIONS.
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AVOID DISCRETIONARY TRAVEL, shopping trips, and social visits.
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PRACTICE GOOD HYGIENE:
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Wash your hands, especially after touching any frequently used item or surface.
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Avoid touching your face
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Sneeze or cough into a tissue, or the inside of your elbow.
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Disinfect frequently used items and surfaces as much as possible.
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CORONAVIRUS MEGATHREAD, COMMENT HERE AND ONLY HERE ON .WIN ABOUT ANY CORONA NEWS
This is where it loses me every single time. I still don't know how this is determined or how it could even be determined unless we evaluate it at a worst case scenario across the board.
To give you some basic numbers here, the US admits over 35 million people into hospital stays each year. That amount equates to about ~673,000 people being admitted PER WEEK. For us to overwhelm a system that already has the capacity to deal with that alarming number of admittance really isn't easy.
Secondly, the solution to this problem is entirely in the treatment. With the vast majority of people showing only minor symptoms, the next question should be if those who require hospitalization can have better treatment plans such that they don't require a long hospital stay or can avoid a hospital stay entirely.
The biggest suggestion that I would suggest to anyone out there is to get some perspective and don't panic. Don't panic when the number of infected increases. Don't panic when the media spams everywhere with how many more people are infected. GET PERSPECTIVE.
Perspective is realizing that the infection is going to spread. We are going to see the number of confirmed infected increase and increase substantially. Just for some numbers, realize that H1N1 was estimated to have infected 21% of the global population. It had infected over 8 million people globally within 4 months of it being declared a pandemic.
In short, don't be scared by the number of people infected. Focus on the treatments. Focus on keeping yourself healthy and making healthy choices. If you get infected, take the proper steps to prevent others from getting infected and to treat it.
But most of those are out within a day or two. With COVID-19, the disease caused by this uncommon cold virus, the worst affected will be in that bed for a week or longer, on all the ventilators the US has. That means within a few days, all the ventilators are in use and deaths rise. Within a couple of weeks, the beds are all full with wheezing geezers on IV cocktails getting worse and the hospital becomes a death zone for years for anyone without coronavirus who’s vulnerable to it.
If anything, this will give rise to in-home visit models for urgent care which turn the patient’s home into their hospital, with a 3D printed ventilator made to last a month.
Once again, you've lost me. This is where the facts stop and the speculation starts. We need to stop with the speculation because it creates the panic.
Do you even know how many ventilators are available? Does anyone? What's preventing us from utilizing additional methods to accomplish the same thing?
This is exactly the point and why all this speculation and fear mongering needs to stop. We have options. We have smart and capable people who can come up with solutions. We've got 50 billion fucking dollars to address the problem as well.
About 160,000 mechanical ventilators in the US. Federal and state governments are attempting to obtain more. The UK is asking manufacturers like Rolls Royce to retool their production lines and produce ventilators.
Yes, we have options, and people will come up with solutions. But, these won't happen immediately. If we can't slow down the rate of infection and too many of the cases become critical at the same time, we will will run out.
It's not fear mongering or speculation to say: let's limit social contact for long enough for us to slow the rate of infection. It gives us the ability to develop those new solutions, or at least spread the number of critical cases over a longer interval, so they don't all happen at the same time.
Count the number of IF's in your statement. This sounds like an Obama speech when it comes the number of IF's that are being projected in order for this to be as bad as you are saying.
First and foremost, there's 182k cases GLOBALLY right now. Even if we say that 20% of those cases need ventilators and your unsourced number of 160k mechanic ventilators is true, then let's do some math here... that means that after 2 months of the virus spreading we are still at a point where each person that is just hospitalized can have 3-4 ventilators EACH.
We're not limiting social contact, we're fucking eliminating it. That's the point here. We're telling people not to leave their house and then pretending that it's not going to cause massive amounts of panic.
Realize that the biggest problem we're facing is mass panic, not the virus. We have a media right now that manufactured a crisis with toilet paper and we already see how that's turning out.
Now, we're causing bigger problems as we're fucking with people's pay and it's one of the most vulnerable economic demographics. Now, we have a virus problem AND people panicking AND people who are suddenly without income.
Is it all happening right at the same time right now? Has it been happening all at the same time the last few months? Where is this idea coming that it's automatically going to follow some exponential curve that we haven't seen happening anywhere except for Italy which is the exception given the area that it effected and the demographic.
Swine flu had a vaccine though. This virus doesn't have one
Swine flu didn't have a vaccine until NOVEMBER. That was 5 months AFTER it was declared a pandemic. Let's make sure we're understanding the time lines here.
There's already some rumors of successful vaccines for Coronavirus as well.
It does now. They are testing one.
By the time it gets through all the human trials and regulatory approval, it will probably be next year, at the earliest. Normally, vaccine approvals take 18 months.
The problem is not just hospital beds/admissions.
The problem is critical care facilities. We have about 95,000 ICU beds, and about 2/3rds of those are in use (on average) for other serious illnesses and accidents.
We have about 160,000 ventilators. Italian doctors say about 10% of their hospital admissions for COVID-19 require a ventilator. They are running out, and having to decide who gets them, and who doesn't.
Is a cpap a ventilator?
A CPAP is a type of ventilator, but maintains positive pressure all the time. It still relies on the patient to inhale and exhale.
The mechanical ventilator is often used in cases of respiratory arrest, where the patient cannot breathe on their own:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_ventilation
Can you post a source for that because every source that I've seen doesn't have any actual evidence of this other than a comment from a nurse.
The article where I read this was citing a doctor at a hospital, not a nurse.
I found this relatively recent journal article:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30627-9/fulltext
ARDS is "acute respiratory distress syndrome":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_respiratory_distress_syndrome
The primary treatment is "mechanical ventilation".
But, you are probably asking about triage. This article was published yesterday:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/14/elderly-left-isolated-abandoned-italy-death-rate-soars/
First of all, just think about the fact that the numbers that you cited don’t go away just because this is happening. The Chinese Flu is in addition to the 673,000 people admitted per week, many of whom will still need care.
We have about a million hospital beds in America. Each hospital has a limited number of ICU beds and a limited number of ventilators. The virus, without social distancing, grows exponentially doubling approximately every 2-4 days. It’s just math.
Exponential growth means that it takes approximately the same amount of time to grow from 10,000 to 20,000 as it did to grow from 10 to 20.
Then from 20,000-40,000.
Then from 40,000-80,000.
You can see how this gets out of control and why Trump is doing this.
Without social distancing, it’s just a matter of time before the system falls apart due to not enough capacity. And those ICU beds are not only needed by Chinese Flu victims, like I said.
Except you're just making up shit lmao. There's only 150k ish.. maybe 170 cases on the entire planet since October 2019. OOPS not quite exponential now is it.
So you posted this 11 days ago.. and it was at '150k in 3 months'. Now it is at 650k. So in 3 months it grew by 150k, and then in 11 days after that it grew by 500k.
So your assumption is that exponential growth is infinite? Lol
Each country which has gotten infections, and where exponential growth has started, has gone into lockdown. China, South Korea, Italy. They have all gone into lockdown and stopped it spreading. That is why it is only 150k.
This is the US Cases over the past month as per data released from the government. That graph is clearly exponential. Do you not agree, if nothing is done, it will continue to increase like that?
Great, you don’t understand math either. What a winner.
He's correct though. Instead of actually arguing a case though, you respond and argue like a fucking liberal. Seriously, instead of actually addressing his argument, what do you do? You berate him and call him a moron. That's fucking wrong. You need to do better and I shouldn't have to fucking tell you this.
So, don't be lazy. Don't argue like a piece of shit liberal. Actually address his comment because, he's fucking right whether you like it or not.
He's arguing with facts. You are arguing with speculation.
5 months, 170k infected. OH NOES. Weak!
I am thinking about that and I don't understand why you think I wouldn't be. No, I'm not saying that it's going away. I'm pointing out how much we are capable of right now.
The entire point of my comment is because there's too god damn many people spreading fear and speculation and are scaring the shit out of people because they can't be bothered to get any perspective at all.
Yes, exponential growth is a possibility and guess what, we already had to deal with this with H1N1 which had 8 million people get infected in 4 months.
Exponential growth is not a possibility it is an ongoing reality and only stops with social distancing. You’re not understanding that we can’t add a million new patients to what we are capable of right now without overwhelming the system and causing the death rate to spike from something manageable to something horrific. The problem isn’t people being scared, the problem is people downplaying it and not staying the fuck home as much as possible for two weeks.
Quit telling me that I'm not understanding it and then turn around giving the same media garbage response that I'm already calling bullshit. The numbers don't add up. What is being told to us by the MEDIA is not adding up. When you stop listening to them and you start looking at the actual facts, it becomes a lot more clear.
People aren't afraid of what's happening right now nor of what's happened so far. They are afraid of some possibility in which the worst possible scenario plays out and somehow magically we go from 182k confirmed cases to 8 million cases.
I'm trying to take it seriously but I can't when I'm treated like a fucking child. I don't want the media doing the same exact bullshit that they do with climate change and pretending that trying to scare me is the only way that I'm going to take the correct precautions. I'm not a fucking liberal baby who needs their hand held. I need people to provide practical answers and practical responses. It's not too much to ask but it's worse that people are pretending that we NEED these scare tactics in order for people to listen. If you have to lie and misrepresent the story to get people to follow then you are informing people wrong.
In other words, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
There's a lot of illegal immigrants that need those beds to give birth to
their meal ticketsnew Americans!