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Experts observing the heartbreaking situation in Italy are surmising that the catastrophic number of critical cases is due, at least in part, to the country’s aging population.
Currently, the corona-sniffles has only killed 2,158... which isn't unusual for any new sniffles outbreak.
Nothing unusual is happening in Italy.
Old, sickly people die from pneumonia.
It's what old people do.
You don't need an inoculation because we already have a cure: blow your nose, enjoy some chicken soup, have a couple of days off work and relax. You'll be totally cured and totally immune within a few days.
If you have any flu, please keep away from old people with failing immune systems and infants.
Please don't gobble up the fake new hysteria with a spoon.
We had government officials and the world's leading scientific experts tell us the global warming hoax is real. We had "leading intelligence experts" and 17 intelligence agencies insist the "Muh Russia" hoax was real and we had leading economic "experts" claim Orange Man would destroy the economy in 2017.
Please keep an open mind about any claims you hear because the globalists are global and they do nothing but lie.
Deaths are always much higher when a population is first exposed to a new virus.
As healthy members of the population contract the corona-sniffles and then recover, their immunity will act as transmission shields for everyone else and the fatalities rapidly drop to zero as the sniffles life-cycle naturally ends.
This is why the natural life-cycle of any sniffle-flu only lasts a few months.
This is a problem that solves itself every year, and will continue to do so.
It’s how the body works friend. Once you catch a particular virus, the body creates antibodies specifically to combat said virus. Now if it (the virus) mutates significantly, your body is back at square one.
nice strawman argument there, I can suggest searching differences between herpes and corona-type viruses and thinking critically at elementary school level why body can perma protect against one but not against other
Italy's mortality rate has spiked over the last several days because their health infrastructure has been completely overrun.
(source) In the last 24 hours, 368 people have died in Italy from the coronavirus, bringing the nation’s death toll to 1,809 from 1,441 a day earlier — a 25 percent increase and the highest daily death toll Italy has seen yet.
Some of my neighbors mail was mis-delivered to me yesterday and one piece was mass mail from Newt Gingrich with some membership card in the windows of the envelope.
I’d be skeptical of any claim to a “cure” for the flu. Often there are known treatments but create adverse effects such as mutations that then exacerbate the problem.
Yes true, though another consideration is, despite side affects for any one singular patient, the treatment can cause mutative effects that create different strains that that become an entirely other problem and putting everyone back to the beginning.
Dude, I’m sorry to say, but the entire global market doesn’t suicide itself over a couple thousand old people dying. It just doesn’t. There’s a lot more going on here.
Some people / orgs made a fortune on that sell of..... Sucks sit disappear, someone else bought them in the way down and soon it will be time to pump it up again
If he was discouraged its because no matter what the government does, the media is triggering a full blown, end of the world, Zombie Apocalypse level panic, over less than 100 deaths.
Not to mention this has been around for months and only now are they starting to mention something/panic right after gobbling up everything the media losers are vomiting onto them.
On Tucker's show last night I learned nine out of ten tests in the US for 'the virus' turn out false.
The WHO tests are likely not specific, otherwise in the late February transcript of their briefing the representatives wouldn't be speculating on developing a more accurate test. Wouldn't be the first time given the percentage of false positives in the MERS/MERV/SARS outbreaks.
The CDC tests and regulatory requirements were all complete bs. Leftists think they can blame DJT for that? Obama left it in that State. Look how much the traitor fucked it up:
Yeah, the Chinese only provided the DNA sample to outside labs in late January.
RNA based tests have an expected flaw, and genetic 'drift' can impact it, keeping viruses 'ahead.' IIRC the term is 'Origional Antigenic Sin.'
Between primary and secondary infections, or following vaccination, a virus may undergo antigenic drift, in which the viral surface proteins (the epitopes) are altered through natural mutation, allowing the virus to escape the immune system.
I don’t understand the uproar over tests. To begin with it was necessary to track the infections to try and contain it. Once you get community spread where you don’t know where you picked it up, what’s the point. There is no specific treatment for it. You can only treat the symptoms, mainly the fever. You stay at home and self treat. Chicken soup, orange juice. If it gets worse or you have difficulty breathing, then you contact a&e to see what next step is in terms of hospitalisation. Maybe it would be good for someone tracking statistics to have a more accurate number, but in reality I would rather have the government focusing on making ventilators than tests.
Treat things like this with respect, not fear. This is only marginally worse than the Flu.
The number of people infected is small, the number of people who have died is small. You are more at risk driving your car than from this virus, keep things in proportion and be sensible.
Keep in mind the MSM is making this out to be a catastrophe for many reasons and it's easy to be carried away with it, it's not as big a deal as it's being made out to be.
Not much on dooms day and fear mongering but according to the stats we have, if Corona infects as many people as the flu than over a million people will die and that is a big deal. The death rate is way higher than the flu. That being said, the spread rate is also much lower than the flu. If people would take it serious and not do shit when they are sick and try not being a selfish ass then all of this would end fairly quickly and the news and democrats would look like fools. Unfortunately everyone wants to look tough and they are only validating the news because they are spreading something that can easily be stopped.
I work in EMS, the amount of actual medical or traumatic threats out there are put into perspective compared to this virus. I agree we should respect it, but there's much worse things out there.
Pneumonia of any kind can cause lasting damage to the lungs, but Covid doesn't always become pneumonia. Most cases don't. In simple terms, pneumonia is a condition, a status, a result of being very sick for a prolonged period and the lungs unable to compensate or fight it off, and worsen.
I contracted a fungul pneumonia years ago that almost killed me, but left me with reduced lung capacity. It's not crippling. You can go to the gym, you can increase lung efficiency and blood efficiency to compensate. It isn't a death sentence. I go to the gym all the time, but I prefer strength over stamina, so I don't do as much cardio, but my capacity is fine now.
The human body can be incredibly strong. It can overcome massive obstacles, and it's willing to fight tooth and nail to the end, even risking its own destruction in the process. It fights harder than we often give it credit for. I'm living proof. I had a 50/50 chance of survival for about a week. I lost the ability to walk. I was put on permanent disability. I wasnt expected to ever work again. I was supposed to go through weeks, if not months of rehab. In a coma, family flew in to say goodbye while I was out, priest did last rites. The works.
I walked out of the hospital on my own two legs. Granted, I drove the hospital staff crazy (Take me for a walk, take me for a walk, take me for a walk), but I walked out. Said screw rehab. Got off disability. Went back to work. Now I'm stronger and in better shape then I ever was when I was younger.
Maybe I was just angry that everyone counted me out, accepted me as dead, but I recovered in ways and speeds none of the doctor's had ever seen prior. The human body is incredibly resilient. It's willing to fight to the death every single time, with every drop of strength.
Can all of us say the same? Don't live in fear of a ghost. Be smart. Be cautious. Wash your hands. And don't panic. Lungs can recover. Strength can be restored. Limits may be broken. Life Will always fight, but not if the spirit is broken. Not if fear rules over us. Not if we let it beat us first.
TLDR. Pneumonia can affect lung capacity, but it doesn't have to cripple us.
Hell yes this is one of the most inspiring things I've read in a while! Mad respect fellow pede, way to take your destiny by the balls and make it work for you!
Any infection of your organs (lung infections, kidney infections etc) can cause scarring so this isn't unique to this virus. It's due to your immune system attacking the infection and doing minor damage or scarring to your organs in the process. Everyone that has ever had the flu will have minor scarring afterwards, same with any other infection.
Chances of it doing enough damage that impacts your life is pretty small, if you have repeated infections though it can be serious due to repeated scarring.
It's a common side effect to pneumonia more generally, and since the Chinese Virus causes it in about 1 in 5 who get it, a fair number of people will have permanent damage as a result of its spread.
This is true but again, permanent scarring/damage doesn't mean it will impact your life in 99.999% of cases. The issue comes with repeated infections of any kind over your life, not just a one off or a handful of infections of the course of a lifespan.
Cutting your hand causes permanent damage in the forum of a scar, your hand still functions fine. Anyone that has ever had an infection of an organ has scarring after the immune system / antibiotics etc clear it, until you are told you would never even know about it because it doesn't cause issues in most people.
You're minimizing it a bit too much. A scar on your hand is not nearly as debilitating as a scar on your lung tissue. You don't breathe with your hand, after all. Any scaring in the lung will have some effect on overall capacity.
What is true is that the impact varies. Some people may not have any notable effect from the scaring while others can experience permanent difficulties. It would not be honest to say that 99.999% of pneumonia cases result in no impact.
13,823 Italians died of pneumonia in 2017, most were likely old people with failing immune system who caught the sniffles.
2.56 million people died from pneumonia-sniffles in 2017 world-wide too.
Here are the current stats for the USA.
Currently, the corona-sniffles has only killed 2,158... which isn't unusual for any new sniffles outbreak.
Nothing unusual is happening in Italy.
Old, sickly people die from pneumonia.
It's what old people do.
You don't need an inoculation because we already have a cure: blow your nose, enjoy some chicken soup, have a couple of days off work and relax. You'll be totally cured and totally immune within a few days.
If you have any flu, please keep away from old people with failing immune systems and infants.
Please don't gobble up the fake new hysteria with a spoon.
We had government officials and the world's leading scientific experts tell us the global warming hoax is real. We had "leading intelligence experts" and 17 intelligence agencies insist the "Muh Russia" hoax was real and we had leading economic "experts" claim Orange Man would destroy the economy in 2017.
Please keep an open mind about any claims you hear because the globalists are global and they do nothing but lie.
13823 deaths in one year is 38 deaths per day. The deaths from this virus in Italy are now almost 400 a day.
Deaths are always much higher when a population is first exposed to a new virus.
As healthy members of the population contract the corona-sniffles and then recover, their immunity will act as transmission shields for everyone else and the fatalities rapidly drop to zero as the sniffles life-cycle naturally ends.
This is why the natural life-cycle of any sniffle-flu only lasts a few months.
This is a problem that solves itself every year, and will continue to do so.
Nobody knows if there’s lasting immunity. Anyone saying different is just guessing.
It’s how the body works friend. Once you catch a particular virus, the body creates antibodies specifically to combat said virus. Now if it (the virus) mutates significantly, your body is back at square one.
What about something like herpes that sits in the body and reactivates from time to time?
nice strawman argument there, I can suggest searching differences between herpes and corona-type viruses and thinking critically at elementary school level why body can perma protect against one but not against other
That's not how viruses work.
Casualties aren't distributed evenly throughout a calendar year. They're stacked tighter throughout flu season, then dwindle afterwards.
Ok, well more people died in Italy last night from corona virus than died from the flu all season, so
And... you're full of shit. Try that Google thing.
I did. 2.7 million flu cases, 240 deaths in Italy. https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
More than that are dying daily from China virus.
And its comparing established disease with novel disease.
Of course the car that started the race 100 laps down isnt leading the race. But it is gaining those laps back, running twice the pace of the lead.
The point is that if corona were established as a part of society, it will kill more. That is inarguable.
How can there only be around 2500 deaths so far in total yet 400 a day in italy, i see where is 400 deaths total so far.
Italy's mortality rate has spiked over the last several days because their health infrastructure has been completely overrun.
Socialized health Care has it's draw backs.
It’s a capacity issue. An issue that we also suffer from. We have a bit more flexibility, but limited resources are limited resources.
Yes but socialized systems are always more heavily overused even when there isn't a Wuflu to add to it.
But muh Newt
Some of my neighbors mail was mis-delivered to me yesterday and one piece was mass mail from Newt Gingrich with some membership card in the windows of the envelope.
I've been suspicious of the info out of Italy so I looked up info about Newt and was reminded that The Gingrich Group was paid to lobby for health iniatives.
Now he and his wife are artists just like Hunter Biden and Bush.
Director General of World Health Organization Severely Overstated the Fatality Rate of the Coronavirus Leading to Overblown Global Panic
Tedros based his numbers off past experience where the WHO gave the population cholera first.
I’d be skeptical of any claim to a “cure” for the flu. Often there are known treatments but create adverse effects such as mutations that then exacerbate the problem.
I've read that unwanted side effects from Hydroxychloroquine are an issue. When the patient is probably going to die though, side effects be dammed.
Yes true, though another consideration is, despite side affects for any one singular patient, the treatment can cause mutative effects that create different strains that that become an entirely other problem and putting everyone back to the beginning.
Except in this case Trump himself is saying this is some serious shit. All the others you mention were obvious fake scares.
It's a trap!
It would be political suicide for POTUS not to be seen to do everything he can to protect us from Muh Sniffles!
The Dems and the MSM would blame Orange Man for the death of every old person with a failing immune system, between now and the November election.
Additionally, the MSM have created public hysteria so POTUS can't do much but try to act to reassure us.
If POTUS doesn't do this silly dance and the public get spooked, panic-buying will be devastating and the elections will be compromised greatly.
he always plays along and finds a way to judo it back at them. waiting to see
Dude, I’m sorry to say, but the entire global market doesn’t suicide itself over a couple thousand old people dying. It just doesn’t. There’s a lot more going on here.
Some people / orgs made a fortune on that sell of..... Sucks sit disappear, someone else bought them in the way down and soon it will be time to pump it up again
Director General of World Health Organization Severely Overstated the Fatality Rate of the Coronavirus Leading to Overblown Global Panic
It’s not a trap. I see you’re at it again cilantro, but don’t worry, I’ll remind you about all this in the future.
I'll be living rent free, until then! Best of luck, chum...
Director General of World Health Organization Severely Overstated the Fatality Rate of the Coronavirus Leading to Overblown Global Panic
Also, Trump is doing a good job. I think yesterday he was discouraged.
If he was discouraged its because no matter what the government does, the media is triggering a full blown, end of the world, Zombie Apocalypse level panic, over less than 100 deaths.
I'm discouraged about that.
Yep, and people are eating it up hook, line, and sinker.
Even here on .win.
Not the people I'm talking to. The gun and ammo sales bans by a couple of states and New Orleans is waking people up to the politics of it.
That's why I wish spring would hurry the fuck up and get here already. If this quarantine lasts until FUCKING AUGUST, I'm going to go crazy.
I wish Global Warming would hurry up and get here.
It would make more sense to say "The virus DOES NOT spread..." The way you wrote it it reads like it does spread in sunny climates.
Wait, you mean it's not the end of the world!?!? WHODA THUNK IT.
fucking concern trolls absolutely flooding this site. Muh hospital beds and flattened curves
I've yet to see ANY comment here say: "I know someone who has it!" or "I know someone who died from it!" That shows how absolutely overblown this is.
Turn off the media and the internet and you realize everyone around you is just fine.
Not to mention this has been around for months and only now are they starting to mention something/panic right after gobbling up everything the media losers are vomiting onto them.
On Tucker's show last night I learned nine out of ten tests in the US for 'the virus' turn out false.
The WHO tests are likely not specific, otherwise in the late February transcript of their briefing the representatives wouldn't be speculating on developing a more accurate test. Wouldn't be the first time given the percentage of false positives in the MERS/MERV/SARS outbreaks.
The CDC tests and regulatory requirements were all complete bs. Leftists think they can blame DJT for that? Obama left it in that State. Look how much the traitor fucked it up:
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/cdc-gun-violence-study-goes-against-media-narrative/
Yeah, the Chinese only provided the DNA sample to outside labs in late January.
RNA based tests have an expected flaw, and genetic 'drift' can impact it, keeping viruses 'ahead.' IIRC the term is 'Origional Antigenic Sin.'
I don’t understand the uproar over tests. To begin with it was necessary to track the infections to try and contain it. Once you get community spread where you don’t know where you picked it up, what’s the point. There is no specific treatment for it. You can only treat the symptoms, mainly the fever. You stay at home and self treat. Chicken soup, orange juice. If it gets worse or you have difficulty breathing, then you contact a&e to see what next step is in terms of hospitalisation. Maybe it would be good for someone tracking statistics to have a more accurate number, but in reality I would rather have the government focusing on making ventilators than tests.
coronavirus testing is handled by the same company that wrote the software for california's ballot boxes (kidding)
Stores in China reopening after 1 month is reassuring, hope we see the same here.
Good luck. For suppression efforts to work they want them to last until a vaccine is found. Otherwise you just move the spike. The UK says 18 months until a vaccine. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
They are expecting us to sit in place until then. Fuck that.
Treat things like this with respect, not fear. This is only marginally worse than the Flu.
The number of people infected is small, the number of people who have died is small. You are more at risk driving your car than from this virus, keep things in proportion and be sensible.
Keep in mind the MSM is making this out to be a catastrophe for many reasons and it's easy to be carried away with it, it's not as big a deal as it's being made out to be.
Not much on dooms day and fear mongering but according to the stats we have, if Corona infects as many people as the flu than over a million people will die and that is a big deal. The death rate is way higher than the flu. That being said, the spread rate is also much lower than the flu. If people would take it serious and not do shit when they are sick and try not being a selfish ass then all of this would end fairly quickly and the news and democrats would look like fools. Unfortunately everyone wants to look tough and they are only validating the news because they are spreading something that can easily be stopped.
I work in EMS, the amount of actual medical or traumatic threats out there are put into perspective compared to this virus. I agree we should respect it, but there's much worse things out there.
Pneumonia of any kind can cause lasting damage to the lungs, but Covid doesn't always become pneumonia. Most cases don't. In simple terms, pneumonia is a condition, a status, a result of being very sick for a prolonged period and the lungs unable to compensate or fight it off, and worsen.
I contracted a fungul pneumonia years ago that almost killed me, but left me with reduced lung capacity. It's not crippling. You can go to the gym, you can increase lung efficiency and blood efficiency to compensate. It isn't a death sentence. I go to the gym all the time, but I prefer strength over stamina, so I don't do as much cardio, but my capacity is fine now.
The human body can be incredibly strong. It can overcome massive obstacles, and it's willing to fight tooth and nail to the end, even risking its own destruction in the process. It fights harder than we often give it credit for. I'm living proof. I had a 50/50 chance of survival for about a week. I lost the ability to walk. I was put on permanent disability. I wasnt expected to ever work again. I was supposed to go through weeks, if not months of rehab. In a coma, family flew in to say goodbye while I was out, priest did last rites. The works.
I walked out of the hospital on my own two legs. Granted, I drove the hospital staff crazy (Take me for a walk, take me for a walk, take me for a walk), but I walked out. Said screw rehab. Got off disability. Went back to work. Now I'm stronger and in better shape then I ever was when I was younger.
Maybe I was just angry that everyone counted me out, accepted me as dead, but I recovered in ways and speeds none of the doctor's had ever seen prior. The human body is incredibly resilient. It's willing to fight to the death every single time, with every drop of strength.
Can all of us say the same? Don't live in fear of a ghost. Be smart. Be cautious. Wash your hands. And don't panic. Lungs can recover. Strength can be restored. Limits may be broken. Life Will always fight, but not if the spirit is broken. Not if fear rules over us. Not if we let it beat us first.
TLDR. Pneumonia can affect lung capacity, but it doesn't have to cripple us.
Hell yes this is one of the most inspiring things I've read in a while! Mad respect fellow pede, way to take your destiny by the balls and make it work for you!
Any infection of your organs (lung infections, kidney infections etc) can cause scarring so this isn't unique to this virus. It's due to your immune system attacking the infection and doing minor damage or scarring to your organs in the process. Everyone that has ever had the flu will have minor scarring afterwards, same with any other infection.
Chances of it doing enough damage that impacts your life is pretty small, if you have repeated infections though it can be serious due to repeated scarring.
Lasting lung damage(Emphysema) is a potential fallout of the worse cases of pneumonia in general(but only a minority of those who gets the virus gets pnemonia): https://healthquestions.medhelp.org/pneumonia-lung-damage
If the headline contains the words may, could, or possibly it's speculation, therefore most likely bullshit.
It's a common side effect to pneumonia more generally, and since the Chinese Virus causes it in about 1 in 5 who get it, a fair number of people will have permanent damage as a result of its spread.
This is true but again, permanent scarring/damage doesn't mean it will impact your life in 99.999% of cases. The issue comes with repeated infections of any kind over your life, not just a one off or a handful of infections of the course of a lifespan.
Cutting your hand causes permanent damage in the forum of a scar, your hand still functions fine. Anyone that has ever had an infection of an organ has scarring after the immune system / antibiotics etc clear it, until you are told you would never even know about it because it doesn't cause issues in most people.
You're minimizing it a bit too much. A scar on your hand is not nearly as debilitating as a scar on your lung tissue. You don't breathe with your hand, after all. Any scaring in the lung will have some effect on overall capacity.
What is true is that the impact varies. Some people may not have any notable effect from the scaring while others can experience permanent difficulties. It would not be honest to say that 99.999% of pneumonia cases result in no impact.
lol theres actually good news to share? I thought we were all gonna die and this was the end.
Thank God that the Apple factory reopened in China. The highest rates of death are caused by the factory being closed.
GET OUT OF MY SAFE SPACE BIGOT
Screams the soy faggot as xir busts into your house
You little faggot shills have nothing better to do? Or are you just couped up at home and collecting the $0.02 per post?
Which you'll never hear in the hysterical drive by media.
I, for one, don't like getting shamed because I decided to go to work and live my life. Unless someone else wants to pay my bills....
Read this about Chloroquine:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/cure-found-for-coronavirus-in-australia/3973564/
It's nice to get good news. Twitter is one big circle jerk of hating Trump and Doomsday.
Stop posting good news. The .win fearmongers do not like it.
Thanks for posting this, it helps everyone remember that its not as bad as shown on the legacy media.
You can track it here.
https://www.nbc29.com/2020/03/16/interactive-map-shows-all-reported-coronavirus-cases-world/
wtf is faithwaire dot com?
Faithwire.... Sounds like a knowledgeable source on the subject...
I was skeptical until I read it. Every claim in this article is sourced.