There is solid anecdotal evidence coming out of both South Korea and Australia that a treatment comprised of Planequil plus azithromycin (for bacterial piggy-back infections) is getting people diagnosed with COVID-19 back to health in 6-10 days.
There is also solid anecdotal evidence coming out that the average length of illness for the healthy general population is also....6-10 days. Just like a case of the flu.
Nothing is really solidly substantiated by statistically sound science yet...we've only been dealing with COVID-19 for a couple of months now. Much of what is being reported is either anecdotal, or it is junk science.
No, this study shows that patients on the treatment vs the control group on placebos have definite faster recovery time. This is not some anecdote, this is an actual study with parameters, and is published.
What is it with all the concern trolls in this thread ?
Some of these "concern trolls" have some background in statistics.
I've read the study. There is definitely promise in this approach, and it should be studied further. But, it shouldn't be promoted as a "cure".
The good thing is that chloroquine phosphate is inexpensive and safe for the general population. It's been in use for 70+ years. So, there's no real downside to trying it when nothing else is available.
So I should believe you, someone with a background "in statistics" or the actual doctors who conducted, wrote and published the study in a medical journal ?
The good thing is that chloroquine phosphate is inexpensive and safe for the general population. It's been in use for 70+ years. So, there's no real downside to trying it when nothing else is available.
So I should believe you, someone with a background "in statistics" or the actual doctors who conducted, wrote and published the study in a medical journal?
The doctors that published this paper are not claiming this is a cure. Even the title says:
Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies
And the summary:
Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China.
If you want to believe the doctors, then read what the doctors actually wrote, rather than claiming what you want to believe.
Treatment is the word they use. Treatment that leads to having no viral presence. What's the unscientific word for that, I wonder. I don't think I've ever heard a medical professional use the word "cure" itself. That's mostly just a general populace term.
You can parse the words all you want. But, the authors of this study are not claiming their results are conclusive.
If you actually read the study, you would understand that. It doesn't take a background in statistics to understand that a study size in the hundreds (their only data is "more than 100 patients") isn't conclusive. That's only the beginning of human trials.
I get it, but I dont think it's safe for general use in that way. That's just my opinion. I'd never take 100 old people and say here, have 600mg/day of plaquenil, good luck. Maybe if there was no other option but to play it here as miracle cure is highly irresponsible, dont you think?
Yeah but it's being presented as an easy fix and it's not. I can't think of a doc who would ever sign off on this. Theres a reason, right, that plaquenil is not really used anymore. Isn't there?
Yeah but it's being presented as an easy fix and it's not.
Uh... it's being presented as a possible solution to accelerate recovery in patients and the study shows that it is.
I can't think of a doc who would ever sign off on this.
Well except those docs who wrote the study, and those docs who follow protocol for Malaria who also prescribe more than your aforementionned "400 mg / day".
Theres a reason, right, that plaquenil is not really used anymore. Isn't there?
Uh ? It's still in use. Are you a big pharma shill that's mad that the cure is available in a 4$ generic ?
It discusses in vitro (i.e. test tube) studies that found chloroquine blocked COVID-19 infection.
But, some caution: the results are only from "more than 100 patients". And while it says it shortened the disease course, there's no information on the distribution. A full study would publish the distribution of recovery times for both the control group and the test group.
This is promising, but it shouldn't be promoted as a "cure" at this time.
Are you serious ? This guy is a co-author of the study on the effects of Hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19. It's not "Bad information" that "should be criminal" idiot, it's a 4$ cure that's widely available and has been in use for decades and has now been proven 90% effective against China's WuFlu.
As others have pointed out, that dosage is dangerous.
Wrongly, as dosage is under what is currently given to Malaria patients using the same drug. Did you just say "only believe the CDC!" only to turn around and take some anonymous guy's take from this thread without even bothering to read about what this drug is and what it's been used for over the decades ?
It's a STUDY. It is not your doctor's advice, and it is not the advice of the CDC yet.
The CDC is our nation's doctor on this matter. Yes, people are free to do studies and publish results, but those results are NOT medical advice and are not the recommendations of your doctor or the CDC.
The study had a control group. It's about viral load after 6 days for people on treatment vs not. Basically this accelerates the virus being removed from your system.
......but, but I thought 30g of Vitamin C was the cure.
This is not a cure. I’m sorry, ‘pedes, but a true vaccine will take a year at least.
After looking at the South Korea “trials”, the conclusion was that this drug works for malaria and is promising as a preventative for corona. Nothing about this is a cure. You’ve been drawn into hope and opportunity as I imagine a lot of us would.
Please take a step back as this is now the third such “cure” being peddled. The original titles of these “possible cures” also read like infomercials.
‘And it’s only 15 dollars, get yours today!”
The study for preventative is coming. Actually read what you "searched" for. You're confusing 2 things. This is a cure. Don't shill for Big pharma like some tool.
Are you really linking me to a blurb about what China found to be “apparently” effective and safe as a treatment? They will possibly look into seeing if it’s a preventative with new trials.
America don’t play that shit and I promise this won’t be the “breakthrough” we all hope it would be. Treatment doesn’t mean cure. You will have to take that to heart eventually.
It’s time to understand that there will be no cure for this virus just like there isn’t one for the common cold.
And they are pointing to the Chinese “apparently” finding a possible treatment.
You’re not thick headed so give it a rest and let it play out before you keep pumping this up. Your woefully unable to see the difference between a cure and a treatment and it’s not helping the situation.
There is solid anecdotal evidence coming out of both South Korea and Australia that a treatment comprised of Planequil plus azithromycin (for bacterial piggy-back infections) is getting people diagnosed with COVID-19 back to health in 6-10 days.
There is also solid anecdotal evidence coming out that the average length of illness for the healthy general population is also....6-10 days. Just like a case of the flu.
Nothing is really solidly substantiated by statistically sound science yet...we've only been dealing with COVID-19 for a couple of months now. Much of what is being reported is either anecdotal, or it is junk science.
No, this study shows that patients on the treatment vs the control group on placebos have definite faster recovery time. This is not some anecdote, this is an actual study with parameters, and is published.
What is it with all the concern trolls in this thread ?
Some of these "concern trolls" have some background in statistics.
I've read the study. There is definitely promise in this approach, and it should be studied further. But, it shouldn't be promoted as a "cure".
The good thing is that chloroquine phosphate is inexpensive and safe for the general population. It's been in use for 70+ years. So, there's no real downside to trying it when nothing else is available.
So I should believe you, someone with a background "in statistics" or the actual doctors who conducted, wrote and published the study in a medical journal ?
At least we agree this is good.
The doctors that published this paper are not claiming this is a cure. Even the title says:
And the summary:
If you want to believe the doctors, then read what the doctors actually wrote, rather than claiming what you want to believe.
Treatment is the word they use. Treatment that leads to having no viral presence. What's the unscientific word for that, I wonder. I don't think I've ever heard a medical professional use the word "cure" itself. That's mostly just a general populace term.
You can parse the words all you want. But, the authors of this study are not claiming their results are conclusive.
If you actually read the study, you would understand that. It doesn't take a background in statistics to understand that a study size in the hundreds (their only data is "more than 100 patients") isn't conclusive. That's only the beginning of human trials.
Tweet is by co-author of paper that Elon Musk mentioned.
Max daily dose is 400. Stop.
False. Treatment for Malaria that uses the same drug has you at 2.5g after 3 days, which translates to over 800 per day.
Good luck not killing people accidentally!
This drug has been in use for decades now. Treatment and dosage is well understood by the medical community.
I get it, but I dont think it's safe for general use in that way. That's just my opinion. I'd never take 100 old people and say here, have 600mg/day of plaquenil, good luck. Maybe if there was no other option but to play it here as miracle cure is highly irresponsible, dont you think?
This isn't exactly over the counter stuff, gotta get a prescription with your physician, obviously.
Yeah but it's being presented as an easy fix and it's not. I can't think of a doc who would ever sign off on this. Theres a reason, right, that plaquenil is not really used anymore. Isn't there?
Uh... it's being presented as a possible solution to accelerate recovery in patients and the study shows that it is.
Well except those docs who wrote the study, and those docs who follow protocol for Malaria who also prescribe more than your aforementionned "400 mg / day".
Uh ? It's still in use. Are you a big pharma shill that's mad that the cure is available in a 4$ generic ?
No anecdotes:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/cure-found-for-coronavirus-in-australia/3973564/
Spread the word and end TP hoarding for good!
Thanks for the link to the article. For anyone that is interested, here's a direct link to the PDF:
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/advpub/0/advpub_2020.01047/_pdf/-char/en
It discusses in vitro (i.e. test tube) studies that found chloroquine blocked COVID-19 infection.
But, some caution: the results are only from "more than 100 patients". And while it says it shortened the disease course, there's no information on the distribution. A full study would publish the distribution of recovery times for both the control group and the test group.
This is promising, but it shouldn't be promoted as a "cure" at this time.
Cures and vaccines take time to test. No need to rush and spread potentially bad information.
Social media is still media snd spreading bad information like this should be criminal.
Are you serious ? This guy is a co-author of the study on the effects of Hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19. It's not "Bad information" that "should be criminal" idiot, it's a 4$ cure that's widely available and has been in use for decades and has now been proven 90% effective against China's WuFlu.
Your post should be criminal.
It's a study published on the National Institude of Health's website dipshit :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550
Wrongly, as dosage is under what is currently given to Malaria patients using the same drug. Did you just say "only believe the CDC!" only to turn around and take some anonymous guy's take from this thread without even bothering to read about what this drug is and what it's been used for over the decades ?
It's a STUDY. It is not your doctor's advice, and it is not the advice of the CDC yet.
The CDC is our nation's doctor on this matter. Yes, people are free to do studies and publish results, but those results are NOT medical advice and are not the recommendations of your doctor or the CDC.
To be fair, water also cured >90% of patients. How does this show that plaquenil has any effect on this virus?
The study had a control group. It's about viral load after 6 days for people on treatment vs not. Basically this accelerates the virus being removed from your system.
......but, but I thought 30g of Vitamin C was the cure.
This is not a cure. I’m sorry, ‘pedes, but a true vaccine will take a year at least.
After looking at the South Korea “trials”, the conclusion was that this drug works for malaria and is promising as a preventative for corona. Nothing about this is a cure. You’ve been drawn into hope and opportunity as I imagine a lot of us would.
Please take a step back as this is now the third such “cure” being peddled. The original titles of these “possible cures” also read like infomercials. ‘And it’s only 15 dollars, get yours today!”
They ran a study that shows in 90% of cases, the viral load disappears for patients under treatment in 6 days vs a control group not on the drug.
This is a "cure". Nothing in the tweet about vaccines, this isn't preventive,.
You’re right! They’re HOPEFUL that this could POSSIBLY be a preventative.
I read the entire South Korean study from which this shit is originating. The conclusion was not what you think it is.
I am sorry, but this is not a cure. These articles have certainly bumped the stock prices for the company who produces this drug.
It's a 15$ treatment total, this isn't Big pharma, it's a widely available cheap drug. They have a study for Treatment :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550
The study for preventative is coming. Actually read what you "searched" for. You're confusing 2 things. This is a cure. Don't shill for Big pharma like some tool.
Are you really linking me to a blurb about what China found to be “apparently” effective and safe as a treatment? They will possibly look into seeing if it’s a preventative with new trials.
America don’t play that shit and I promise this won’t be the “breakthrough” we all hope it would be. Treatment doesn’t mean cure. You will have to take that to heart eventually.
It’s time to understand that there will be no cure for this virus just like there isn’t one for the common cold.
No, I'm linking you to the National Institute of Health, an AMERICAN institute. Something an actual American would know about.
And they are pointing to the Chinese “apparently” finding a possible treatment.
You’re not thick headed so give it a rest and let it play out before you keep pumping this up. Your woefully unable to see the difference between a cure and a treatment and it’s not helping the situation.