They're all about the founding fathers... Right until you bring up what the founding fathers actually did and said. Gotta love lolbertarians: their heart is in the right place, but they could never bring themselves to do the deeper reading that might contradict their favorite pieces and quotes.
In the meantime, they endorse unrestricted abortion and oppose the death penalty.
If anyone has any evidence that any of the founding fathers would stand for that, or can even argue sanely that it's the logical conclusion of our founding principles, I'd really love to see it. I can't imagine Washington arguing any of that, but if someone can find it in one of his letters maybe we could take it more seriously...
Founding Fathers = Libertarians. The word has been sullied by three kinds of people. Assholes who lie about what it’s about, through the 90’s and early 2000’s they made it out to be anarchy. Faux libertarians, the equivalent of RINOs and neo- cons, who just want to smoke pot and are leftists otherwise. Then the blind ones, the people who are married to certain methodologies and lose sight that they have yet to, cannot or can only accomplish our end goal of max freedom under certain conditions.
No they were Americans. And they and their ideals created the greatest and longest-enduring period of freedom and prosperity ever.
So I have no idea why we need a new ideology that claims to be better than what we started with, yet it hasn't done diddly squat but say "hey look at me I'm just as good as the real thing!!!"
Yes but defining libertarians in that way oversimplifies too much and alienates the majority of libertarians who know they don't believe that way, but rather align with the Founders' version
Is there like a massive secret society of libertarians or something? lol
I know there's some lefty/Marxist leaning libertarians but I don't really count them, I just mean the usual ones that mingle in the conservative circles. Free markets, free trade, muh weed, taxation is theft, etc.
That’s not libertarian that’s founding fathers right there.
Of course, but every country should have armed citizens.
There isn’t a difference.
Sure there is, the founding fathers created an enduring symbol of liberty around the world and the greatest nation ever.
Libertarians have governed at most a couple of church basket think tanks.
They're all about the founding fathers... Right until you bring up what the founding fathers actually did and said. Gotta love lolbertarians: their heart is in the right place, but they could never bring themselves to do the deeper reading that might contradict their favorite pieces and quotes.
In the meantime, they endorse unrestricted abortion and oppose the death penalty.
If anyone has any evidence that any of the founding fathers would stand for that, or can even argue sanely that it's the logical conclusion of our founding principles, I'd really love to see it. I can't imagine Washington arguing any of that, but if someone can find it in one of his letters maybe we could take it more seriously...
Founding Fathers = Libertarians. The word has been sullied by three kinds of people. Assholes who lie about what it’s about, through the 90’s and early 2000’s they made it out to be anarchy. Faux libertarians, the equivalent of RINOs and neo- cons, who just want to smoke pot and are leftists otherwise. Then the blind ones, the people who are married to certain methodologies and lose sight that they have yet to, cannot or can only accomplish our end goal of max freedom under certain conditions.
No they were Americans. And they and their ideals created the greatest and longest-enduring period of freedom and prosperity ever.
So I have no idea why we need a new ideology that claims to be better than what we started with, yet it hasn't done diddly squat but say "hey look at me I'm just as good as the real thing!!!"
Same difference. Founders were libertarians. The closer we get to their ethos the better.
Libertarians = individual liberty before everything, including nation and society
Founders = individual liberty concurrent with nation and society
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Libertarians = minimize government as much as possible because it always harms individual liberty
Founders = specific limitations on government to protect specific rights
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Libertarians = coercion is bad, people are free and should do what they want as long as they don't hurt others
Founders = coercion is good, people are citizens with obligations to take care of their society and uphold its morality
Yes but defining libertarians in that way oversimplifies too much and alienates the majority of libertarians who know they don't believe that way, but rather align with the Founders' version
Is there like a massive secret society of libertarians or something? lol
I know there's some lefty/Marxist leaning libertarians but I don't really count them, I just mean the usual ones that mingle in the conservative circles. Free markets, free trade, muh weed, taxation is theft, etc.