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Imransgarage 7 points ago +10 / -3

Sure there is, the founding fathers created an enduring symbol of liberty around the world and the greatest nation ever.

Libertarians have governed at most a couple of church basket think tanks.

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lerm4comptroller 4 points ago +5 / -1

They're all about the founding fathers... Right until you bring up what the founding fathers actually did and said. Gotta love lolbertarians: their heart is in the right place, but they could never bring themselves to do the deeper reading that might contradict their favorite pieces and quotes.

In the meantime, they endorse unrestricted abortion and oppose the death penalty.

If anyone has any evidence that any of the founding fathers would stand for that, or can even argue sanely that it's the logical conclusion of our founding principles, I'd really love to see it. I can't imagine Washington arguing any of that, but if someone can find it in one of his letters maybe we could take it more seriously...

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MSG1000 2 points ago +3 / -1

Founding Fathers = Libertarians. The word has been sullied by three kinds of people. Assholes who lie about what it’s about, through the 90’s and early 2000’s they made it out to be anarchy. Faux libertarians, the equivalent of RINOs and neo- cons, who just want to smoke pot and are leftists otherwise. Then the blind ones, the people who are married to certain methodologies and lose sight that they have yet to, cannot or can only accomplish our end goal of max freedom under certain conditions.

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Imransgarage 3 points ago +3 / -0

No they were Americans. And they and their ideals created the greatest and longest-enduring period of freedom and prosperity ever.

So I have no idea why we need a new ideology that claims to be better than what we started with, yet it hasn't done diddly squat but say "hey look at me I'm just as good as the real thing!!!"

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MSG1000 1 point ago +3 / -2

LOL, you just don’t get it. There isn’t a damn difference. Libertarianism has existed since our nation’s founding. It is our founding ideology, and it brought us America. Since then we’ve been on a slow march towards bigger and bigger government.

Around 1900 progressivism took hold and their American Traditionalist opposition were referred to as Liberal. Then Progressives co-opted the term which caused the original liberals to have no choice but to come up with a new term, Libertarian.

But both Democrats and Republicans, Conservatives and Progressives, were all infected with the idea that “they knew best”. Thus the country stopped listening to anything else till recently.

The fact that the Globalist Cabal have spent so much time and effort demonizing; subverting and misrepresenting Libertarianism tells me everything about how big of a threat it is to them.

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Imransgarage 1 point ago +1 / -0

No you don’t get it.

America existed since the founding and libertarians want to say they’ve improved the model when they haven’t done shit.

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WhateverNecessary 1 point ago +1 / -0

Is taxation theft?

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