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CQVFEFE 6 points ago +8 / -2

That’s not libertarian that’s founding fathers right there

Same difference. Founders were libertarians. The closer we get to their ethos the better.

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WhateverNecessary 1 point ago +1 / -0

Libertarians = individual liberty before everything, including nation and society

Founders = individual liberty concurrent with nation and society

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Libertarians = minimize government as much as possible because it always harms individual liberty

Founders = specific limitations on government to protect specific rights

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Libertarians = coercion is bad, people are free and should do what they want as long as they don't hurt others

Founders = coercion is good, people are citizens with obligations to take care of their society and uphold its morality

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CQVFEFE 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes but defining libertarians in that way oversimplifies too much and alienates the majority of libertarians who know they don't believe that way, but rather align with the Founders' version

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WhateverNecessary 1 point ago +1 / -0

Is there like a massive secret society of libertarians or something? lol

I know there's some lefty/Marxist leaning libertarians but I don't really count them, I just mean the usual ones that mingle in the conservative circles. Free markets, free trade, muh weed, taxation is theft, etc.

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Imransgarage 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yup and a set of those guys are going to vote for the next Evan MucMillan instead of the MAGA candidate GEOTUS endorses because they love their untested ideology so much. Edit: in four years that is.