Well the shedding time is definitely longer than the flu but fair enough I didnt know flu was that long
But still you can have the virus for 14 days before showing symptoms, with the flu you will show symptoms after a max of 4 days. So you will be able to tell if someone is sick after 4 days (unless they are asymptomatic), with covid this can last 14 days.
Now I know Italy isnt representative of the US, but in terms of this "being like the flu", 2100 people died in italy in the past 7 days. 17k died in the entire year in italy on average the past 4 years, so 17k per year versus 2100 in one week, seems like this is worthy of lockdown etc.
Do you not think 2100 in a week, versus 17000 in a year, shows it's pretty bad? Even if Italy's age group is older etc. You are comparing italy flu deaths vs italy covid deaths
No...I don't think a spike in flu deaths for ONE WEEK among the very elderly and/or immune compromised is worthy of a total nationwide 'lockdown'. If this flu was infecting/affecting normally health YOUNG and/or middle aged (i.e to 75) people MORE than the 'normal' flu, and WORSE, than the normal flu, then I'd agree. However I would have in place special protections for the at-risk groups; which would ALWAYS be in place--not just for this new seasonal flu strain.
This virus isnt a strain of the flu (influenza) it's a strain of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome)
The deaths in the last week is not a spike though in the sense that a spike would decrease the period afterwards. It's an exponential curve so it will increase exponentially in the time period after if the situation stays the same. The deaths today in Italy was 627 which is higher than any other day so far.
Hopefully a lockdown of over 75s or over 60s would work as that wouldnt affect the economy as much. But if it just spreads wildly through the lower age group and they care for the elderly that might not work?
I'm guessing whooping cough is worse than SARS.; which is highly contagious, lethal for babies and for some affected adults, who with NORMAL immune systems, can suffer (I believe) a fatal asthma like attack after a coughing fit. Whooping cough is MUCH worse than this 'Covid-19'; which appears to leave young, very young and majority of adults unscathed. Yet no-one shutting down the world, or demanding mandatory vaccines, over Whooping Cough.
Sure, we need to quarantine the frail, the very old and immuno-suppressed and have extra precautions for those that are near/care for them because of Covid 19. But society should be doing that anyway--even with the 'normal FLU.. 'Locking down' the rest of the country is insane.
Theres a vaccine for whooping cough though... makes it a million times easier to contain than something without a vaccine
The death count in italy is not a "spike" as you said, it is an exponential growth.
There are 17k deaths due to flu PER YEAR in italy. If the Covid19 death count continues to increase at 15% (it most likely wont due to quarantine) per day in italy, the Covid19 death count will have surpassed the annual flu death count in 11 days time from now: 4,000(current deaths)×(1.15)^(11)=18,609
The rate of exponential growth will likely decrease due to the lockdown though.
That's not "media lies" it is basic maths of exponential growth using current death count and increase % per day.
At that rate, Italy covid19 deaths will have surpassed the yearly flu death count in only 1.5 months (first case 31st jamuary) and would still be increasing exponentially. This is again based on math, not MSM bullshit
Well the shedding time is definitely longer than the flu but fair enough I didnt know flu was that long But still you can have the virus for 14 days before showing symptoms, with the flu you will show symptoms after a max of 4 days. So you will be able to tell if someone is sick after 4 days (unless they are asymptomatic), with covid this can last 14 days.
Now I know Italy isnt representative of the US, but in terms of this "being like the flu", 2100 people died in italy in the past 7 days. 17k died in the entire year in italy on average the past 4 years, so 17k per year versus 2100 in one week, seems like this is worthy of lockdown etc.
Do you not think 2100 in a week, versus 17000 in a year, shows it's pretty bad? Even if Italy's age group is older etc. You are comparing italy flu deaths vs italy covid deaths
No...I don't think a spike in flu deaths for ONE WEEK among the very elderly and/or immune compromised is worthy of a total nationwide 'lockdown'. If this flu was infecting/affecting normally health YOUNG and/or middle aged (i.e to 75) people MORE than the 'normal' flu, and WORSE, than the normal flu, then I'd agree. However I would have in place special protections for the at-risk groups; which would ALWAYS be in place--not just for this new seasonal flu strain.
This virus isnt a strain of the flu (influenza) it's a strain of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome)
The deaths in the last week is not a spike though in the sense that a spike would decrease the period afterwards. It's an exponential curve so it will increase exponentially in the time period after if the situation stays the same. The deaths today in Italy was 627 which is higher than any other day so far.
Hopefully a lockdown of over 75s or over 60s would work as that wouldnt affect the economy as much. But if it just spreads wildly through the lower age group and they care for the elderly that might not work?
I'm guessing whooping cough is worse than SARS.; which is highly contagious, lethal for babies and for some affected adults, who with NORMAL immune systems, can suffer (I believe) a fatal asthma like attack after a coughing fit. Whooping cough is MUCH worse than this 'Covid-19'; which appears to leave young, very young and majority of adults unscathed. Yet no-one shutting down the world, or demanding mandatory vaccines, over Whooping Cough.
Sure, we need to quarantine the frail, the very old and immuno-suppressed and have extra precautions for those that are near/care for them because of Covid 19. But society should be doing that anyway--even with the 'normal FLU.. 'Locking down' the rest of the country is insane.
Italy increased death count by 793 today. That's 150 more deaths than yesterday..
Theres a vaccine for whooping cough though... makes it a million times easier to contain than something without a vaccine
The death count in italy is not a "spike" as you said, it is an exponential growth. There are 17k deaths due to flu PER YEAR in italy. If the Covid19 death count continues to increase at 15% (it most likely wont due to quarantine) per day in italy, the Covid19 death count will have surpassed the annual flu death count in 11 days time from now: 4,000(current deaths)×(1.15)^(11)=18,609 The rate of exponential growth will likely decrease due to the lockdown though.
That's not "media lies" it is basic maths of exponential growth using current death count and increase % per day.
At that rate, Italy covid19 deaths will have surpassed the yearly flu death count in only 1.5 months (first case 31st jamuary) and would still be increasing exponentially. This is again based on math, not MSM bullshit