“Bu, bu, bu, but we just don’t know so this one time right now 8 months before the election we need to crush the economy so we can have a fair election because without a deep recession creepy joe will lose.”
This is correct. These unhinged, radical Democrats are not going to give up, and they will do whatever it takes to either win the election or create chaos in its aftermath. President Trump winning the election is not going to solve this problem.
No. Any problem is blamed on the current leadership. The DNC will have 1.5 billion of ads. This is really, really, really bad for Trump unless we can fix shit by Election Day.
If this is going to actually hit hospitals hard we need to use our American ingenuity to figure out ways to use what we have to scale up our treatment in creative ways. I don't want to hear about we don't have enough ventilators or how things got so bad in Italy and we can't handle it. We need to quit being defeatist on this front and think like the country that threw out the British, defeated Hitler and the Japanese, and sent a man to the Moon. The people that figured out a solution when the odds said to give up.
If we play follow-the-leader to what the rest of the world is doing we will fail ourselves. That is not our way.
In two weeks, we'll know whether these measures worked or not.
Either the new case count and death count will continue doubling every 3-4 days, or it won't. If the number of new cases level off and start to decline, we will start getting back to normal where that is happening.
In the places where the daily rate of new cases and deaths continues to increase, you should expect a continuation of the recommended guidelines, or even more restrictions. The Trump administration won't be calling the shots: it will be state or local governments.
A lot will depend on whether everyone takes the "social distancing" seriously. The college students packing the beaches for spring break aren't, because they think they are invincible. After spreading it among themselves, they will go home because school is closed and transmit it to their families, who will spread it to their co-workers and friends before they realize they are contagious.
I really hope we can break the chain of infections and deal with the remaining hotspots before it turns into a widespread epidemic. But, I don't think we will be able to do it, because of a subset of selfish people somehow think they are exempt from responsibility.
I have more confidence in the numbers from Western democracies, because it's difficult to hide the number of deaths when anyone can count the number of obituaries.
In the US, reporting is so decentralized that it would be very difficult to fudge the numbers without the local media getting wind of it.
If the measures work, we'll never know if they were necessary.
That's the problem: we don't have the luxury of waiting until it turns into a widespread epidemic. That's what China did, and had to resort to draconian measures.
Of course, I don't trust the numbers coming out of China (or Iran). I think they are understating the number of deaths. The resistance movement in Iran says the government is understating deaths by a factor of 3.
Spez, I meant to add: one of the reasons I am suspicious of the death count in China was their alleged "temporary hospitals". From what little info was leaking out, if anyone was showing symptoms, they were just thrown into one of these ""temporary hospitals", sometimes literally by force. There, it was nothing but a big warehouse with a bunch of cots. They got little medical care. They either recovered on their own, or they died.
I don't know if my perception is completely accurate, or even partially accurate. But, I don't think China ever tells the whole truth, especially when a lie will better serve their purposes.
Once you’re on a ventilator with a lung disease you’re as good as dead. There are exemptions for young people who might come around in a few days, but if you’re over 70 and they get out the ventilator, bye.
Look, the media trying to blame the President for anything related to this is bullshit. That you have my full agreement on.
But people REALLY have to stop believing this is a hoax, or that we’re overreacting here. The President would never sacrifice his pride and joy, his beautiful strong economy, unless he was facing down something even worse.
A lot of you don’t seem to understand that many of us suffered the same cognitive break that the left did when GEOTUS got elected, when this shit happened. This virus is real, and the consequences we potentially face can be very real too if we don’t get ahead of it.
If things seem pointless then we’re doing everything right. It’s the most fucking counterintuitive thing you’ll ever experience, but the President needs us to do this right now so he can win.
I recommend everyone keep up to date with the Coronavirus Task Force daily press briefings on the White House YouTube channel (if they’re not still on the front page). They’re very informative and they’ll also reassure you that we’re in the best hands. GEOTUS is by far the best guy for this job, but he needs our help.
An emergency room Dr from Seattle said that senior citizens that were put on a ventilator had a survival rate of 0%!!!! Take it seriously if not for yourself then for your parents & grandparents.
Its the complications that come from it. Its not so much a Flu as worse form of pneumonia. The passing out from lack of oxygen and being forced to be put on a ventilator is why everything is shutting down. We do not have the resources to treat everyone it if everyone gets hit all at once....hence all of the flatten the curve stuff. Think about it like this....social distancing and shutting things down is allowing the people who currently have it to utilize the resources and get better before the next round gets sick.
"The passing out from lack of oxygen and being forced to be put on a ventilator is why everything is shutting down"
Absurd. This only happens to the same group of people that this also impacts those who get Influenza A and B.
To shut the world down for a VERY small group of the population is insanity. Every single day of any year these SAME people are walking around every day putting themselves at risk for getting in contact with someone who is carrying the cold, flu, or any other disease/illness that could wreck havoc on their own body due to their already weakened immune system.
I am not anti-Trump but being pro-Trump doesnt mean agreeing to everything he says and does. If you want to still be a sheep, even to Trump, so be it but dont tell me that I must be one as well. Worry about yourself.
Trump is NOT telling mayors and governors that they have to order the private businesses in their communities to close and to quarantine their citizens in their homes and to press charges on them if they dont comply.
That's a link to the regular, endemic, seasonal flu. Pneumonia is a complication from seasonal flu. Bacterial pneumonia is treated with antibiotics and goes away.
C19 creates viral pneumonia. Not treatable with antibiotics. No immunity in the population because it's new. No vaccines to prevent it - hence the reason it's a pandemic.
Endemic means something already stabilized - not growing exponentially.
“Bu, bu, bu, but we just don’t know so this one time right now 8 months before the election we need to crush the economy so we can have a fair election because without a deep recession creepy joe will lose.”
This crisis is doing more to get Trump reelected than the economy ever could.
This is correct. These unhinged, radical Democrats are not going to give up, and they will do whatever it takes to either win the election or create chaos in its aftermath. President Trump winning the election is not going to solve this problem.
No. Any problem is blamed on the current leadership. The DNC will have 1.5 billion of ads. This is really, really, really bad for Trump unless we can fix shit by Election Day.
No it won't. Trump didn't cause the fucking virus.
Oh, and make sure it's mail-in ballots so the DemocRAPs can rig the election.
15 days. That's where it needs to end.
If this is going to actually hit hospitals hard we need to use our American ingenuity to figure out ways to use what we have to scale up our treatment in creative ways. I don't want to hear about we don't have enough ventilators or how things got so bad in Italy and we can't handle it. We need to quit being defeatist on this front and think like the country that threw out the British, defeated Hitler and the Japanese, and sent a man to the Moon. The people that figured out a solution when the odds said to give up.
If we play follow-the-leader to what the rest of the world is doing we will fail ourselves. That is not our way.
In two weeks, we'll know whether these measures worked or not.
Either the new case count and death count will continue doubling every 3-4 days, or it won't. If the number of new cases level off and start to decline, we will start getting back to normal where that is happening.
In the places where the daily rate of new cases and deaths continues to increase, you should expect a continuation of the recommended guidelines, or even more restrictions. The Trump administration won't be calling the shots: it will be state or local governments.
A lot will depend on whether everyone takes the "social distancing" seriously. The college students packing the beaches for spring break aren't, because they think they are invincible. After spreading it among themselves, they will go home because school is closed and transmit it to their families, who will spread it to their co-workers and friends before they realize they are contagious.
I really hope we can break the chain of infections and deal with the remaining hotspots before it turns into a widespread epidemic. But, I don't think we will be able to do it, because of a subset of selfish people somehow think they are exempt from responsibility.
Those numbers can and probably will be rigged
I have more confidence in the numbers from Western democracies, because it's difficult to hide the number of deaths when anyone can count the number of obituaries.
In the US, reporting is so decentralized that it would be very difficult to fudge the numbers without the local media getting wind of it.
I sincerely want to know how you distinguish between "these measures worked" and "these measures were unnecessary".
If the measures work, we'll never know if they were necessary.
That's the problem: we don't have the luxury of waiting until it turns into a widespread epidemic. That's what China did, and had to resort to draconian measures.
Of course, I don't trust the numbers coming out of China (or Iran). I think they are understating the number of deaths. The resistance movement in Iran says the government is understating deaths by a factor of 3.
Spez, I meant to add: one of the reasons I am suspicious of the death count in China was their alleged "temporary hospitals". From what little info was leaking out, if anyone was showing symptoms, they were just thrown into one of these ""temporary hospitals", sometimes literally by force. There, it was nothing but a big warehouse with a bunch of cots. They got little medical care. They either recovered on their own, or they died.
I don't know if my perception is completely accurate, or even partially accurate. But, I don't think China ever tells the whole truth, especially when a lie will better serve their purposes.
Once you’re on a ventilator with a lung disease you’re as good as dead. There are exemptions for young people who might come around in a few days, but if you’re over 70 and they get out the ventilator, bye.
That's not necessarily true.
It kinda sounds like your suggesting that we just let the old ones that need ventilators die.
Look, the media trying to blame the President for anything related to this is bullshit. That you have my full agreement on.
But people REALLY have to stop believing this is a hoax, or that we’re overreacting here. The President would never sacrifice his pride and joy, his beautiful strong economy, unless he was facing down something even worse.
A lot of you don’t seem to understand that many of us suffered the same cognitive break that the left did when GEOTUS got elected, when this shit happened. This virus is real, and the consequences we potentially face can be very real too if we don’t get ahead of it.
If things seem pointless then we’re doing everything right. It’s the most fucking counterintuitive thing you’ll ever experience, but the President needs us to do this right now so he can win.
I recommend everyone keep up to date with the Coronavirus Task Force daily press briefings on the White House YouTube channel (if they’re not still on the front page). They’re very informative and they’ll also reassure you that we’re in the best hands. GEOTUS is by far the best guy for this job, but he needs our help.
just a word...antibiotics won't touch a virus. gotta have "anti-virals."
Thank you for posting this
Back runs are already starting according to my roommate who works as a teller. Two weeks in a row their bank has been nearly cleaned out
An emergency room Dr from Seattle said that senior citizens that were put on a ventilator had a survival rate of 0%!!!! Take it seriously if not for yourself then for your parents & grandparents.
Too true
Its the complications that come from it. Its not so much a Flu as worse form of pneumonia. The passing out from lack of oxygen and being forced to be put on a ventilator is why everything is shutting down. We do not have the resources to treat everyone it if everyone gets hit all at once....hence all of the flatten the curve stuff. Think about it like this....social distancing and shutting things down is allowing the people who currently have it to utilize the resources and get better before the next round gets sick.
"The passing out from lack of oxygen and being forced to be put on a ventilator is why everything is shutting down"
Absurd. This only happens to the same group of people that this also impacts those who get Influenza A and B.
To shut the world down for a VERY small group of the population is insanity. Every single day of any year these SAME people are walking around every day putting themselves at risk for getting in contact with someone who is carrying the cold, flu, or any other disease/illness that could wreck havoc on their own body due to their already weakened immune system.
So are you anti-Trump?
This is a pro-Trump site. Rule #1 I think.
Trump is who is shutting everything down.
I am not anti-Trump but being pro-Trump doesnt mean agreeing to everything he says and does. If you want to still be a sheep, even to Trump, so be it but dont tell me that I must be one as well. Worry about yourself.
Trump is NOT telling mayors and governors that they have to order the private businesses in their communities to close and to quarantine their citizens in their homes and to press charges on them if they dont comply.
That's a link to the regular, endemic, seasonal flu. Pneumonia is a complication from seasonal flu. Bacterial pneumonia is treated with antibiotics and goes away.
C19 creates viral pneumonia. Not treatable with antibiotics. No immunity in the population because it's new. No vaccines to prevent it - hence the reason it's a pandemic.
Endemic means something already stabilized - not growing exponentially.