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Proud_American 59 points ago +59 / -0

Agreed. We’re doing this out of caution for the elderly and the unknown threats. After a couple weeks of simmering and some answers, we will be back at it little by little.

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DrCowboyPresident 12 points ago +25 / -13

Then many of the elderly are going to die. It's that simple. I'm not saying which choice is correct here. But this virus is probably getting everywhere eventually. Not overwhelming the medical facilities is the big thing. The initial waves are the big ones.

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Razeontherock 18 points ago +19 / -1

It isn't even the way to fight a pandemic. Get medicine to people, quarantine the sick not the healthy. Government hasn't even fixed the price of the most effective medicine found yet, which has gone from $20/ bottle to $1000.

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Wess-mantooth 0 points ago +2 / -2

Its not just going to be the elderly, the morbidly obese are also very at risk, that is a complication that we have that some other places dont

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The_VeryStableGenius 3 points ago +7 / -4

More than the elderly will die if you let it spread far and fast enough that people who would survive with hospitalization find there's no space for them. Remove doctors from the equation and this virus will take many of the young as it does now the old.

The young are not immune. Many of the young do still end up in the hospital. They just pull through, for now.

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ChikfilaFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

We shouldn't sacrifice the economy that gives us life no matter what.

We aren't here to get by. We're here to thrive or there's no point.

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Proud_American -6 points ago +7 / -13

What of the unknown threats? Are you ok with a highly inflated number of dead? What’s the acceptable number before doing what we’re doing now?

The economy will roar back. The lives cannot be replaced. We are at war, it’s will look antithetical to what we are accustomed.

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Proud_American 13 points ago +14 / -1

Blame China as we move toward America first on steroids.

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CATS04 2 points ago +2 / -0

Steroids......that's what the doctor prescribed to my husband when we were sick in December after his return from Europe. After confirming it wasn't the flu, the doctor said, "I have no idea what you have, but I'm going to prescribe a steroid to calm your lungs down". I didn't bother going to the doctor's after that, not with our co-pays. Took me 5 weeks to fully recover, my husband 6.

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Proud_American 1 point ago +6 / -5

It’s not a world ending virus, but it was enough to halt the normal flow of the economic engine. We are already rebuilding, but make no mistake, we are at war.

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EndTheFed2 -2 points ago +4 / -6

We are not at war, unless you mean with the media and the commies. You can't be 'at war' with a virus. Who are it's leaders? What is it's battle plan? What motivates it?

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Proud_American 2 points ago +2 / -0

Trump on situation- “...call me a wartime president”

Trump on the enemy- “invisible enemy”

Trump on retribution- “I don’t want to talk about that yet”

See, I watch every word of every briefing and every speech he gives. I read every article and every opinion and every fact.

We are at war on multiple fronts and he is battling them all.

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EndTheFed2 1 point ago +1 / -0

Did you mean we are at war with the deep state? Not the virus?

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JoJoBeaner 1 point ago +7 / -6

H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.02%. Covid has a mortality rate more than 10x that in some instances.

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WeThoughtYouWasAToad 8 points ago +10 / -2

Look, fat. You're a lying, dog-faced pony soldier

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Zephyr 1 point ago +3 / -2

In actuality the death rate in China due to Kung Flu is about 11 million and climbing.

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EndTheFed2 2 points ago +2 / -0

lol

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EndTheFed2 4 points ago +4 / -0

With only some testing and highly flawed testing at that. 60-80% false positives, and confirmation bias.

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WeThoughtYouWasAToad 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup, and authorities are also doing their GOD DAMNDEST to make sure people who work in 'essential' jobs aren't allowed to be tested. Can you imagine if ONE Amazon worker tested positive and then there were calls to shut down an entire distribution facility with 1000 workers? And then nobody in a 100 mile radius could get their Amazon orders for several days? Absolute panic.

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Zephyr -1 points ago +4 / -5

In case you haven't been paying attention in France, Belgium, UK, etc. half of the people in need of critical care are between the ages of 2-50. The same is occurring here.

Viruses mutate, that's why a virus pandemic comes in waves over a two to three year period. The Kung Flu has already mutated once, it will do it again. It will become more virulent and deadly.

The next two years is going to be a festival of Darwinism.

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DrCowboyPresident 8 points ago +11 / -3

What’s the acceptable number before doing what we’re doing now?

That's the problem with exponential curves, the numbers don't look bad until it's too late. A novel virus which 0% of people have immunity to is the gold standard of pandemic.

What of the unknown threats? Are you ok with a highly inflated number of dead?

Please explain so I can respond, I honestly don't know what you are talking about.

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Proud_American -4 points ago +7 / -11

How many dead people is the threshold before you shut down the economy to protect the populace as a whole?

Maybe I was mistaken, but I got the sense you’re suggesting ‘screw the dead, don’t fuck up the national economy over it’.

There is an unknown threat of the way this virus will affect different age groups and gender. If we let it run loose without any control, the unknown possibilities could exponentially exacerbate the problem. Would you be accepting of this scenario just for the economy which can be rebuilt?

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Gregor_Clegainz 18 points ago +23 / -5

Yes. And I don't meant to sound harsh when I say that but we don't shut the economy down year after year because tens of thousands of elderly end up dying from the flu. It's tragic, don't get me wrong but this has had a MUCH smaller impact than the flu and I am predicting that when this is all said and done the final death count will still be lower than that of the flu. You sound like a fear monger who is trying to get us to compromise because of a "what if" scenario.

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Gregor_Clegainz 18 points ago +18 / -0

I hope you were advocating for the shutdown of the economy when Obama waited until 1000 people died from H1N1 before declaring a state of emergency and the total death toll ended up around 12,000 without any of the steps President Trump has taken to try and mitigate impact. Oh btw, more people died of the flu that year than H1N1 as well.

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DrCowboyPresident -5 points ago +6 / -11

don't get me wrong but this has had a MUCH smaller impact than the flu

Please use exponential and logarithmic logic as you explain your position. Talking about deaths TODAY is meaningless when faced with geometric growth.

You do understand that, I hope?

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Herecomedatpresident 14 points ago +14 / -0

Trump hasnt shut down anything using the power of the government. Are you people retarded?

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PraiseBeToScience 10 points ago +11 / -1

This isn't really about curbing the number of dead (though it is buying time), this is about making sure we're not like fucking Italy where people are literally lined up in the hospital hallways left to die.

Remember that every bed in a hospital with a Flu Manchu victim in it is a hospital bed that can't be used for someone who was in a car accident.

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Proud_American -1 points ago +2 / -3

Copy pasta? I swear I saw this like a week ago.

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PraiseBeToScience 4 points ago +4 / -0

Coincidence.

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Razeontherock -4 points ago +1 / -5

You contradicted yourself.

This is about how many die. Period.

Medicine is what we need.

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PraiseBeToScience 5 points ago +5 / -0

Do you not know what 'flatten the curve' means?

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Razeontherock 5 points ago +9 / -4

Shutting down the whole economy or letting it kill everyone are not the only options. That's called a false dichotomy.

Other Countries have already come back from this, without having ever shut everything down the way so many States are doing now.

First, get medicine to everyone. Then, quarantine the sick and those in high risk groups. Don't quarantine the healthy! There's no legal mechanism to shut down whole communities. This is bs. A couple weeks people may tolerate but government's going to have to have some sense soon.

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Zephyr 3 points ago +3 / -0

Name one country that "has come back from this" which did not close their borders back in January and forcibly quarantine anyone and everyone who they thought might have this and put in strict rules of self isolation for the majority of their populace.

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Proud_American 0 points ago +1 / -1

Nobody said kill everyone, so let’s be real here. The fact is we are shut down in order to fight this new age war and not just to mitigate the virus itself.

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WeThoughtYouWasAToad 2 points ago +5 / -3

That's horse shit and your name is a blatant lie.

You're seeing it now when you have asshole globalist Governors (and the traitors who got elected in Florida/Ohio) vs true patriot Republicans. Are the patriot states having massive death rates, people dropping like flies, fleeing the state because there's no open beds? Fucking NO.

Boomers need to FUCK OFF AND STAY HOME. Fucking ASSHOLES willing to take the whole country down if it means not having their FEE-FEES HURT because young people are out partying and throwing caution to the wind. Boomers, If you're that worried, then the solution is simple: never interact with anyone, ever again in your lifetime, young or old. Problem solved, you fucking nutjobs.

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EndTheFed2 1 point ago +1 / -0

How scary does a virtually harmless thing have to be before we crash the economy completely? Look at the real numbers, so far this year 16,000+ dead to flu, each year 750k dead to medical errors, 600k babies, there are far worse things to worry about than a virus which has a low comparative death rate(has everyone been tested? No, numbers are provisional), confirmation bias, faulty testing, etc.

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DrCowboyPresident 1 point ago +4 / -3

How many dead people is the threshold before you shut down the economy

That is a very hard question, because exponential growth is what it is, and a single number can't quantify the danger. The danger is the rate of expansion.

Maybe I was mistaken, but I got the sense you’re suggesting ‘screw the dead, don’t fuck up the national economy over it’

Of course not. Many older people hold immense knowledge and are very valuable in our society. I'm afraid of losing them.

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EndTheFed2 1 point ago +1 / -0

Unknown threats is exactly the point--if we react to every boogieman the way we are reacting now, I'm amazed we survived WWII without giving up on Day 1. Unknown threats must not dictate our actions. And the data is too heavily affected with confirmation bias.

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sustainable_saltmine 20 points ago +22 / -2

fINe, iF yOu dON't oBeY oUr gOvERnMeNT ovErLoRdS, aND sTAY cLOsEd iNdEfInITeLy, yOu'LL cATCh tHe vIRus.

we just need to start seeing a few days of progressively good news and maybe itll calm people the fuck down.

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latinolizards4trump 11 points ago +11 / -0

Not from the media, they'll milk this bullshit for as long as they can

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Razeontherock 4 points ago +5 / -1

Or until 11/4

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ThomasGiferson 18 points ago +18 / -0

Now that's the fucking spirit we need to see again in this country.

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thisisatestof2 17 points ago +17 / -0

The Governor of CT, who has never had an original thought, just copied Cuomo more or less and shut down all "non-essential" business for a month, or until he decides otherwise. Also, you are asked to say in side unless you need, say food, but can in theory go hiking, but the police may "suggest" you go back home.

For many businesses, 4 weeks without normal income or operations will be crippling. If they re-open, I don't know how many will survive the year.

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Proud_American 3 points ago +3 / -0

Zero interest loans are being doled out to small businesses and banks are working with Trump to allow late payments without penalty. They’re talking about staving fiduciary responsibility for a year or more.

Same with mortgages. Working on helping renters next.

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misterLahey 17 points ago +18 / -1

Thank you. We need to hear more voices like this. We're shutting down everything for no reason. If this were actually a bad virus, I would understand this reaction a bit better.

But this is minor and the attempt at the cure is far deadlier than the disease itself. In the short and long term. We're destroying economies, financial systems, jobs, lives. And it's not going to stop this virus - and the virus in question is minor. We can't shut down everything every time somebody sneezes.

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Razeontherock -12 points ago +2 / -14

There is nothing "minor" about this virus.

I agree, we are over reacting; but you would do well to learn something about the spread and how it kills you.

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albino 4 points ago +5 / -1

Please educate all of us about how the "spread" and "kills you" at a rate at least 1 standard deviation than the normal flu?

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WeThoughtYouWasAToad 2 points ago +3 / -1

crickets -- Why didn't you respond? Coward. All you have is media talking points to parrot back - you don't have the courage to go toe-to-toe with someone using facts and research, and anything other than bullshit shaming language.

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EpicTrump 2 points ago +2 / -0

I love your username, Delmar. My favorite movie, so many quotable lines. BTW, DO. NOT. SEEK. THE. TREASURE. IT’S BUSHWACKED!

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publ1us 2 points ago +2 / -0

He’s bona fide!

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misterLahey 1 point ago +1 / -0

OK, Karen.

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WeThoughtYouWasAToad 5 points ago +5 / -0

Nope, won't last that long. Not when these bartenders/servers/etc realize their regular check (for the previous hours worked) isn't coming because the owner doesn't have the cash flow to pay them.

Ditto for all the workers working at "take-out/delivery only" - if the owner is only getting 30% of their usual revenue, guess what bills they're paying first? Hint: not yours. Rent, lights, product....then MAYBE you if there's money left over.

These shitface governors are doing this on purpose. They WANT riots. They WANT to declare martial law, they WANT to start locking people up in cages for disagreeing with them.

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logicallyevil 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yep. I keep shaking my head and then laughing at the fucktards on facefuckbook and twatter who keep posting shit about oh its only for 2 weeks... It's not bad just "social distance" and then laughed my ass off when IL went full lockdown. I escaped to Iowa on Thurs (was already in the process of moving there) and am settling up my new residence. I'll be conducting my teaching from 400 miles away using the e-learning our district put in place.

Now I'm watching these it's only two weeks people and it's just The bars and restaurants fucktards whining about how they're trapped with nothing to do and no work for 3 weeks.

I give Chicago about 5 days before the civil unrest sets in and that dump burns to the ground.

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daomino 8 points ago +10 / -2

I chose to stay at home.

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Razeontherock 0 points ago +2 / -2

Me too.

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Averon 8 points ago +11 / -3

Since we now have a viable treatment, we should remove all travel and business hour restrictions. Use government to move supplies and medicines to where the most vulnerable and make sure enough medicine is available to treat the patients in case of an outbreak. Reiterate that guidelines are guidelines, not laws to use against the public. Encourage good nutrition and hygiene. Give information on boosting the immune system so if exposed you can have a better chance at fighting it off. Work with the people not over the people.

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RU_joe_king 6 points ago +6 / -0

I don't understand why this wasn't announced today.

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Proud_American 10 points ago +11 / -1

It was, but the treatment is not yet viable or confirmed. We have hope of what looks promising.

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Averon 5 points ago +5 / -0

Well maybe soon then, I want my church to no longer be banned.

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PraiseBeToScience 5 points ago +8 / -3

The treatment is unproven and untested. There are a lot of trials going on right now in various hospitals who will analyze the drug combination to see if it works. The good news is if it does, they'll cut the trials short and push it nationwide.

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Averon 6 points ago +6 / -0

On the news it looked like it worked everytime and that a New York doctor was already using it, or maybe I misunderstood something, I dunno.

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PraiseBeToScience 3 points ago +6 / -3

It was a very small test group that wasn't well-controlled. They're doing more diligent field testing now.

One anecdote does not science make.

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Razeontherock 1 point ago +4 / -3

BS! It's been widely used in this application with great success. It's been used for 400 years. We know the dosage, and the side effects are minimal.

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PraiseBeToScience 1 point ago +3 / -2

It's been used for 400 years to fight a virus that didn't exist until five months ago?

Also how the fuck are they synthesizing this drug 400 years ago? Or are you actually seriously confusing herbal remedies with a refined drug?

That's like thinking that cocaine and erythroxylum coca are 'the same thing' because you can chew the leaves of the coca plant and get a mild like-cocaine effect... it's still not the same thing.

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WeThoughtYouWasAToad 1 point ago +3 / -2

It's the SARS-COV2, you absolute genius. These drugs have been used to treat previous Coronaviruses; as in, we have had previous Coronaviruses; as in, that's why this one is called NOVEL CORONAVIRUS.

If you're going to be a smart ass, at least be more expansive in your criticism before you dive right into being a condescending asshole.

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Razeontherock 1 point ago +4 / -3

Get a supply of chloroquine to every man woman and child in the US. Government should have already fixed the price, which has gone from $20/ bottle to 1000.

Then send everyone back to work. Stop the panic!

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Razeontherock -1 points ago +3 / -4

BS! It's been used for 400 years. We know the dosage, and the side effects are minimal especially if you're using a preventative dose.

This has been widely used in this application with great success, very recently. Entire Countries have come back from this.

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Chick-Fil-A 7 points ago +7 / -0

If this ordeal has shown me anything it’s the frightening speed at which Americans are willing to give up their freedom to assemble, freedom of religion, and freedom to live their lives without government intervention. People who question what the CDC or state, local or federal governments recommend are shamed and seen as conspiracy theorists.

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Millertyme01 7 points ago +7 / -0

Agreed! The patriots of this country are going to wake up and all hell is coming with them. We are trying to help, but demon rats are taking advantage of the situation and those still loyal to America will unite and conquer.

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krazikofiman 7 points ago +7 / -0

I'll play game for a week... after that I'm out the door, baby!

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Smelloffreedom1 6 points ago +6 / -0

Patrick Henry said it best....

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chim_richels 6 points ago +6 / -0

"I work at the mall at a novelty t-shirt store and my manager isn't taking this serious at all. Like people are literally dying or whatever we should close all businesses! Why isn't the governor of my state forcing a shutdown!?!"

This is 90% of Twitter right now. Dumb kids with shit jobs that have heard rent will be delayed, Trump bux are coming, unemployment is easy and all but guaranteed, plus don't worry about taxes until July. It's a tailor-made perfect excuse to sit around and do nothing.

These people need to shut up with their sudden, newly found bullshit altruism. A week ago they were joking about they wished everyone at a Trump rally would get coronavirus. Now they care about everyone's safety and implore the rest of us to "sacrifice"? No, fuck you 'Madison', I don't believe my livelihood should cease because you want a paid vacation from Hot Topic.

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f_bastiat 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'm working as much as i can before we go into a complete shutdown, i dont work around people so its not really an issue, i have a shit load of projects lined up at home if i get set there for a few days or weeks.

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Melnibone 4 points ago +4 / -0

I have co-workers for whom just thinking about being off next week, made them want to work all weekend. Americans got shit to DO!

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trump_rally 3 points ago +3 / -0

amen to that

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h203h 3 points ago +3 / -0

We’ve all been exposed already...just like any other flu. I understand they are trying to keep the death rate as low as possible but this way of life can’t go on more than a month. We the people have work to do. Plus our economy will be stronger than ever

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snoopy3210 2 points ago +2 / -0

Best comment so far

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kevinkevin 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Hell yeah, brother." McFarland, Cleetus.

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TacticalWitdotcom 1 point ago +1 / -0

The company I work for is still working with no intentions of shutting down. For the most part, everyone is coming to work, except those with difficult childcare situations due to school closures- and they are doing half-days or splitting time off with their spouses. Everyone wants to keep paying their bills.

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Choppermagic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Economy was strong before. It will come roaring back as people realize that love buying stuff and going out to eat.

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Fremium2020 -7 points ago +7 / -14

That's awesome!

Just remember if or when you get sick, dont then go running to the hospitals in a huge mob looking for "care".

That is the risk you take. Acting badass is your right.

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latinolizards4trump 15 points ago +17 / -2

95% of all cases are mild, most people aren't going to the hospital for that, relax

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Gregor_Clegainz 14 points ago +15 / -1

Seriously. This fear mongering is so insane.

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Herecomedatpresident 9 points ago +9 / -0

It has to be by design.

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Razeontherock 5 points ago +6 / -1

Hospitals can't do jack shit for you anyway. Chloroquine can.

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Fremium2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well then dont show up to one if you get sick.

That's your choice.