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Deplora -1 points ago +1 / -2

Exactly. That's why I roll my eyes every time somebody says we need to prioritize Voter ID laws. The percentage of fraudulent votes that are cast by people showing up at polling places is very, very tiny. For absentee voting no ID is needed at all, nor is there any state I'm aware of that requires any kind of ID to register to vote, so there is simply no limit to the large-scale vote fraud that's accomplished via absentee ballots.

Why the heck would any vote fraud perpetrating organization waste its resources trying to get hordes of actual people to physically go to multiple polling places or even go to one polling place if they're not legally eligible to vote? Any effort to use actual people voting in person would carry an extremely high risk of a few of the people who were recruited turning informant, and landing the fraud organizers in prison.

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Razeontherock 0 points ago +1 / -1

You need ID to register to vote in WI. I'd be very surprised if this were the only State.

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Deplora 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nonsense. You can register online. And you can even register in Wisconsin as a first-time registrant who has established residence outside the US with no intention of returning. Or even if you have never lived in or even visited the US or Wisconsin, if you (claim to) have a parent or legal guardian who lives or used to live there https://elections.wi.gov/voters/overseas

See the instructions for registering via the FPCA form ( https://www.fvap.gov/uploads/FVAP/Forms/fpca2013.pdf ) which both the temporary and permanent overseas voter instructions link to: https://www.fvap.gov/guide/chapter2/wisconsin

You must provide your Wisconsin driver's license number or Wisconsin-issued ID number. If you do not have either of these numbers, provide the last four digits of your Social Security Number. If you do not have a Wisconsin driver's license number, a Wisconsin-issued ID number, or a Social Security Number, you must enter in Section 6: "I do not have a Wisconsin driver's license, Wisconsin-issued ID number, or Social Security Number."

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Razeontherock 0 points ago +1 / -1

Hmm, online registration and absentee voting is ripe for fraud. I've only done it in person. In person it's monitored very well. Maybe some could slip through in our densely populated areas.

Now I wonder how many States have these measures? And do any of these become "provisional ballots" that can be challenged and not counted?

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Deplora 1 point ago +1 / -0

If someone is registered, their ballots won't be provisional.

As far as I know, no-ID registration is available in all states, but I haven't done a thorough search. I suspect it's available in Wisconsin for in-person registrants too -- if you can just answer the request for a Wisconsin driver's license/ID number or last 4 digits of SS number on the FPCA form by just writing that you don't have any of these, I expect you can do the same thing in person. You just aren't aware of it beause when you registered and were asked for ID, you just pulled it out.

Every state I know about allows anybody to hand out and collect voter registration forms -- common on college campuses and at various large gathering places in low-income neighborhoods. And the people working these "voter registration drives" have generally be trained on how to register people with the minimum possible information (lots of completely nonexistent people also get registered via these drives).