So what’s the solution fear mongrels, keep all small businesses shut down? keep all young healthy American workers under forced quarantine for months?, turn cities into police states over a pathogen that has an excellent recovery rate and has put barely any American in a critical care bed, let alone on a ventilator?
Temporary quarantine is the answer. At least two weeks and then the people can be treated and move of the ICU. Making place for the new cases.
has put barely any American in a critical care bed
Except for the thousands in NYC where they barely had a 20% spare capacity. Bad NYC policy led to this but you can handle two weeks. I can handle two weeks. Everyone can manage to stay indoors as much as possible for two weeks and then everything can open back up. See it as a holiday.
Hardly any of the postive tests need mechanical ventilation. Almost everyone testing positive recover. Almost everyone in the hospital with the virus is +80 yrs old. GTFO with your pandemic hysteria
And did you look at those numbers? Like at all? It says they have 283 beds available in NYC. For a city of millions. Guess what happens when everyone starts coofing? I don't understand how people can be this fucking retarded at this point. You can see how full they are just by listening to what the doctors in NYC are saying. Which was "We have to reschedule your cancer treatment cause we're full with Wu Flu!"
1/5 of confirmed cases need hospitalization! The majority of those end up on the ICU. You would flood the entire capacity which is BARELY a thousand beds of the entire state if you just let the virus spread.
Now you’re just pulling numbers out of your ass. Why don’t you ever back up your doom statistics with sources? Or are your numbers based on an academic “forecast” published by the NYTs?
Fear forecasts aren’t reliable. Where I live, our hospital is on lockdown... just IN CASE the critical care departments needs the extra beds. But our ICU is currently deserted. All elective surgeries are canceled, our ER is mostly deserted. The testing tents is where the hysteria is occurring,
And NOT ONE patient who tested positive is in the ICU.
LOL look at this dude!!! "You got a source for that MATH you did!"
Really dude? 3600 hospitalized cases 710 people in ICUs. 3600/10 = 360x2 = 720 = 20%. You really needed a source for BASIC FUCKING MATH?!
H1N1 doesn't send 1/5 to the ICU idiot. Guess whose being hospitalized to start with? The ELDERLY! Like literally less than 1% of cases infected require hospitalization regarding Influenza. So the ENTIRE 150 Maximum that would need hospitalization over it could be handled by the 20% capacity on the ICU.
ICU cases have spiked with the Wu Flu. Over 300 already! Did you remember that 20% spare capacity you posted? Yep, NYC is OVER capacity already! Those 250 beds are GONE!
Now imagine a few more millions of people infected and multiply that number to 10'000 ICU patients. Now you got a shortage of a few thousand spots and people dying in the hallways.
Just stay the fuck home for two weeks and don't kill my grandma okay? DeBlasio had to virtue signal and let in an Iranian coofer so just take your 2 week holiday and it will all come roaring back on once the first wave has passed.
These are NEW admissions WITH Wu Flu. Please stop beclowning yourself.
I am doing my essential job just fine my dude. Shift starts in a few hours. Completely calm. I'm not the one suffering from apparently SEVERE cabin fever.
Thing is, you could replace influenza for corona and say the same thing. Not discounting the reality though. It’s a gnarly virus for some people.
Trump is looking for vindication for having shut down the border and halting the economic engine. This is what doctors are telling him when he asks for answers. Knowing this should lend credence to his decisions.
There's a lot of stuff here that doesn't add up. He's quoting one study which says there's a long asymptomatic incubation, but the CDC says the incubation period is typically 2-5 days and asymptomatic cases are rare. He says it's dangerous because it's spreading fast (R0 = 6.6) but then we have other doctors saying that it spreads much slower (R0 = 2.2) and are saying that's why we have to be under lockdown until June. He lists a whole bunch of potential complications and presents them as if anyone who catches this virus and survives is going to suffer from severe lifelong physiological damage, but that's simply not true for most people. Yeah, it's bad for some people, but an awful lot of things are bad for some people. Everyone is so concerned about under-reacting that they're over-reacting and creating a "boy who cried wolf" situation. It's not about being a science-denier, it's just that the scientists don't all agree. Trump is walking a delicate tightrope. He has to act now based on information we don't yet have, and one slight misstep either way can spell disaster. I don't envy his position, especially when so much of the media is hostile and looking for any opportunity to blame him for the entire thing.
His actions are based on saving lives. Not having all the critical info has led him to err on the side of caution while he removes hurdles that slow down testing. He has always been clear that it is hope he carries that the drugs we already have will work to mitigating the severity of the virus.
If these drugs work in the next couple months of testing, things will rebound like a super ball. Either way, people will return to work shortly as we become more prepared for handling the increase in cases. Staying low for 15 days or better is a great way to take load off the health system.
Yeah, he's acting from an abundance of caution, and state leaders are running around trying to out-virtue-signal each other by cracking down harder than the rest, despite such draconian measures proving to be ineffective in places like Italy and Iran. I'm taking reasonable precautions based on the advice of the CDC, but I'm not seeing the facts to support the wild hysteria and I think trampling liberty and imploding the economy is unreasonably harsh based on what we're actually seeing. Coudrey seems to be collecting all the worst news he can find and insisting the science is settled. This guy is part of the problem. We should be responding to the reality on the ground instead of what people are afraid might happen. I think if we chill out for a couple weeks the situation is going to look much more hopeful, and I think that's what the leftist fearmongers are most afraid of.
Pretty sure the dirty air in my machine shop has the "possibility" to cause all that stuff.
GEOTUS retweets this because he's concerned about his people. He wants us to be safe, plain and simple. And he'll probably keep supporting the governors as well, even if they are over reacting simply because he is trying to get this media hysteria defeated asap.
Meanwhile, I expect to see some serious political and legal ramifications on the state level against governors and health directors.
For the vast majority this is a harmless virus. The facts are that whoever is dying are very old or have existing health problems. The high risk people should be the ones who are quarantined, not the whole fucking population. This is a epic economic disaster.
Well, at least 3 people upvoted the shotgun comment. I would imagine at least 3 people here feel strongly enough about this being a hoax that they would like the idea of people killing themselves for posting an article describing the seriousness of the disease.
Thing is, you could replace influenza for corona and say the same thing. Not discounting the reality though. It’s a gnarly virus for some people.
Trump is looking for vindication for having shut down the border and halting the economic engine. This is what doctors are telling him when he asks for answers. Knowing this should lend credence to his decisions.
In Italy, 99% of deaths were people that had preexisting medical conditions. Non comparison. Dont know what's happening in France but I'd bet same deal.
So what’s the solution fear mongrels, keep all small businesses shut down? keep all young healthy American workers under forced quarantine for months?, turn cities into police states over a pathogen that has an excellent recovery rate and has put barely any American in a critical care bed, let alone on a ventilator?
Yeah exactly! Enough already!
Came here to say this!
Temporary quarantine is the answer. At least two weeks and then the people can be treated and move of the ICU. Making place for the new cases.
Except for the thousands in NYC where they barely had a 20% spare capacity. Bad NYC policy led to this but you can handle two weeks. I can handle two weeks. Everyone can manage to stay indoors as much as possible for two weeks and then everything can open back up. See it as a holiday.
These stats were as of March 17th at 1pm. Plenty of beds, and even more in level 2 and 3 hospitals.
https://i.maga.host/h0SmqPs.jpeg
Hardly any of the postive tests need mechanical ventilation. Almost everyone testing positive recover. Almost everyone in the hospital with the virus is +80 yrs old. GTFO with your pandemic hysteria
And did you look at those numbers? Like at all? It says they have 283 beds available in NYC. For a city of millions. Guess what happens when everyone starts coofing? I don't understand how people can be this fucking retarded at this point. You can see how full they are just by listening to what the doctors in NYC are saying. Which was "We have to reschedule your cancer treatment cause we're full with Wu Flu!"
1/5 of confirmed cases need hospitalization! The majority of those end up on the ICU. You would flood the entire capacity which is BARELY a thousand beds of the entire state if you just let the virus spread.
Listen to POTUS and stop whining.
Now you’re just pulling numbers out of your ass. Why don’t you ever back up your doom statistics with sources? Or are your numbers based on an academic “forecast” published by the NYTs?
Fear forecasts aren’t reliable. Where I live, our hospital is on lockdown... just IN CASE the critical care departments needs the extra beds. But our ICU is currently deserted. All elective surgeries are canceled, our ER is mostly deserted. The testing tents is where the hysteria is occurring, And NOT ONE patient who tested positive is in the ICU.
Edit: also compare and contrast the January Influenza report: 15,000 cases reported. No one was clamoring for quarantine or ICU beds the. 15,000! https://health.ny.gov/diseases/communicable/influenza/surveillance/2019-2020/archive/2020-01-25_flu_report.pdf
LOL look at this dude!!! "You got a source for that MATH you did!"
Really dude? 3600 hospitalized cases 710 people in ICUs. 3600/10 = 360x2 = 720 = 20%. You really needed a source for BASIC FUCKING MATH?!
H1N1 doesn't send 1/5 to the ICU idiot. Guess whose being hospitalized to start with? The ELDERLY! Like literally less than 1% of cases infected require hospitalization regarding Influenza. So the ENTIRE 150 Maximum that would need hospitalization over it could be handled by the 20% capacity on the ICU.
ICU cases have spiked with the Wu Flu. Over 300 already! Did you remember that 20% spare capacity you posted? Yep, NYC is OVER capacity already! Those 250 beds are GONE!
Now imagine a few more millions of people infected and multiply that number to 10'000 ICU patients. Now you got a shortage of a few thousand spots and people dying in the hallways.
Just stay the fuck home for two weeks and don't kill my grandma okay? DeBlasio had to virtue signal and let in an Iranian coofer so just take your 2 week holiday and it will all come roaring back on once the first wave has passed.
Lol.
These people DONT HAVE Wuflu. Your math is conflating Wuflu and average patients. Very dishonest.
Forcing the young and healthy to quarantine is utterly ridiculous.
But Keep panicking. That’s productive.
These are NEW admissions WITH Wu Flu. Please stop beclowning yourself.
I am doing my essential job just fine my dude. Shift starts in a few hours. Completely calm. I'm not the one suffering from apparently SEVERE cabin fever.
So you disagree with Trump's retweet.
Interesting.
Because he wants feedback?
Thing is, you could replace influenza for corona and say the same thing. Not discounting the reality though. It’s a gnarly virus for some people.
Trump is looking for vindication for having shut down the border and halting the economic engine. This is what doctors are telling him when he asks for answers. Knowing this should lend credence to his decisions.
There's a lot of stuff here that doesn't add up. He's quoting one study which says there's a long asymptomatic incubation, but the CDC says the incubation period is typically 2-5 days and asymptomatic cases are rare. He says it's dangerous because it's spreading fast (R0 = 6.6) but then we have other doctors saying that it spreads much slower (R0 = 2.2) and are saying that's why we have to be under lockdown until June. He lists a whole bunch of potential complications and presents them as if anyone who catches this virus and survives is going to suffer from severe lifelong physiological damage, but that's simply not true for most people. Yeah, it's bad for some people, but an awful lot of things are bad for some people. Everyone is so concerned about under-reacting that they're over-reacting and creating a "boy who cried wolf" situation. It's not about being a science-denier, it's just that the scientists don't all agree. Trump is walking a delicate tightrope. He has to act now based on information we don't yet have, and one slight misstep either way can spell disaster. I don't envy his position, especially when so much of the media is hostile and looking for any opportunity to blame him for the entire thing.
His actions are based on saving lives. Not having all the critical info has led him to err on the side of caution while he removes hurdles that slow down testing. He has always been clear that it is hope he carries that the drugs we already have will work to mitigating the severity of the virus.
If these drugs work in the next couple months of testing, things will rebound like a super ball. Either way, people will return to work shortly as we become more prepared for handling the increase in cases. Staying low for 15 days or better is a great way to take load off the health system.
I think he is doing the right thing.
Yeah, he's acting from an abundance of caution, and state leaders are running around trying to out-virtue-signal each other by cracking down harder than the rest, despite such draconian measures proving to be ineffective in places like Italy and Iran. I'm taking reasonable precautions based on the advice of the CDC, but I'm not seeing the facts to support the wild hysteria and I think trampling liberty and imploding the economy is unreasonably harsh based on what we're actually seeing. Coudrey seems to be collecting all the worst news he can find and insisting the science is settled. This guy is part of the problem. We should be responding to the reality on the ground instead of what people are afraid might happen. I think if we chill out for a couple weeks the situation is going to look much more hopeful, and I think that's what the leftist fearmongers are most afraid of.
The economic rebound is correlated to amount of stimulus package. The package amount is correlated to amount of fear.
Unfortunately what you propose is impossible now until testing capacity increases.
Highly contagious? Yes. Dangerous to anyone with a normal immune system? No.
Exactly! Wtf
Says the guy in a half-face mask.
lol
Keep all New Yorkers in NY and Californians in California. Everyone else can go about their lives as usual before they infected us.
I’ll kick that virus’ ass.
Pretty sure the dirty air in my machine shop has the "possibility" to cause all that stuff.
GEOTUS retweets this because he's concerned about his people. He wants us to be safe, plain and simple. And he'll probably keep supporting the governors as well, even if they are over reacting simply because he is trying to get this media hysteria defeated asap.
Meanwhile, I expect to see some serious political and legal ramifications on the state level against governors and health directors.
Sorry
This is fear porn
Who is this guy?
Question for those who think the coronavirus is harmless or doesn't matter:
Was there one source or statistic in particular that made you think this was a hoax?
For the vast majority this is a harmless virus. The facts are that whoever is dying are very old or have existing health problems. The high risk people should be the ones who are quarantined, not the whole fucking population. This is a epic economic disaster.
Somebody else here said Israel is trying that strategy. Not sure if that is true or not. Let's see how well it works.
I'm asking people here who have said this was a hoax. This question is not directed at people like you who say it is not a hoax.
https://thedonald.win/p/FMEnXSlU/it-first-struck-me-how-different/
The first post said it was a hoax and that I should put a gun in my mouth and eat a shotgun shell for posting the article.
Well, at least 3 people upvoted the shotgun comment. I would imagine at least 3 people here feel strongly enough about this being a hoax that they would like the idea of people killing themselves for posting an article describing the seriousness of the disease.
Stasi . . . hmmm.
Waiting for hoaxers, accusations of fear-porn and deniers in 3,2,1 ...
I don’t think any will take the bait. It’s honest rhetoric from a medical perspective.
Which is why you were downvoted already. Just like Chinese agents, they are.
Thing is, you could replace influenza for corona and say the same thing. Not discounting the reality though. It’s a gnarly virus for some people.
Trump is looking for vindication for having shut down the border and halting the economic engine. This is what doctors are telling him when he asks for answers. Knowing this should lend credence to his decisions.
Italy, Spain and France are good enough vindications for the drastic steps Trump has taken.
In Italy, 99% of deaths were people that had preexisting medical conditions. Non comparison. Dont know what's happening in France but I'd bet same deal.
I think the problem is the overrunning of ICUs. All these people getting very sick at the same time.
Cases in some 140 countries. That’s damn near the whole world.
While we're waiting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMdg4morQs