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I had no clue we got so many pharmaceuticals and shit from China. They charge us so much fucking money and still can't even make it in America. What are we paying for?
My understanding is the chemical ingredients are 95% made in China, not necessarily the making of the end product is 95% Chinese. Kinda like Breaking Bad.... the bottleneck was the chems.
The excuse for YEARS from Pharma companies why we couldn't import cheaper drugs from Canada and Mexico was quality control. They're all made in the same Chinese factories! I wish we had a press to find these things out for us.
The way it works is pharmaceuticals sold in the US have to follow Good Manufacturing Practices. If you're already producing a pharmaceutical, you probably already have good manufacturing practices (lowercase "g", "m", and "p") in place; but not all manufacturers want to spend the time (and money) to go through what is effectively a paperwork exercise to get the approvals to be able sell the drug in the US. Especially for generics which aren't prescribed often or don't cost very much.
The United States began to change over to a service economy back in the 50's. Financial Services, hence all the debt. The joys of private central banking.
I've heard economists say over and over that outsourcing isn't always terrible because in theory if you take the textile mills outside of the US and ship them to China/Bangledesh/wherever you free up resources in the US to make stuff that shouldn't be outsourced.
I don't agree with it (you can't necessarily turn a guy who makes jeans for a living into a chemist) but I get their logic.
The logic is sound, the problem is the execution. The guy who makes jeans will likely never be a chemist, but he could be making other products that should be made at home. Unfortunately the management of what should be made here is woefully inadequate. Corruption and Chrony capitalism, as well as plain old ineptitude all contribute to this. Certain products should be made here, or at least have the capacity to be made here for national security. Striking the balance won’t be easy, but it can be done with the will.
Capitalism has nothing to do with it. It’s Dem and dumb liberals who put in more and more regulations to make it not cost effective to make things in the USA. Then they open the borders and allow “free” trade.
I think it shows the myopic understanding present in theories.
While in theory we can outsource production to other areas to free up resources at home to manufacture more complicated products, that only works if the factories we've contracted to for outsourcing can produce a product of similar quality and quantity.
Except that a majority of products from China are cheaply made and inferior. So, in practice we're freeing up resources so we can outsource products that often don't work as well, have higher failure rates, and ultimately cost more because consumers are having to replace them more frequently.
I'd argue the net economic impact from outsourcing to China is worse than if we hadn't done it in the first place. It's just that most people are under the impression the goods are cheaper and therefore cost us less. Which would be true if the quality were analogous but it's not.
But then you ask them "what shouldn't be outsourced, why shouldn't it be outsourced, and who decides what shouldn't be outsourced?" they don't really have a good answer for that.
Get those brand names on hospital equipment in front of patients and families. Increase competition for expensive healthcare devices, promote innovation, reduce costs. Sound like a solid plan. It's all GE now, they dominate and buy out pretty much everyone from research to medicine.
It's a nice thought, but the volume of what's needed to be built here (a few thousand ventilators) probably isn't really enough to expand overall manufacturing capacity.
In WW2 it was guns, tanks and planes that needed to built by their hundreds of thousands (the US manufactured 300,000 planes during WW2. That's not a typo. Three hundred thousand), or in the case of small arms, millions.
The scale of what needs to be built for this crisis is minescule by comparison to what needed to be built for WW2. Don't expect any real expansion of manufacturing sector as a reuslt.
Yep, we didn't win the war because we were especially badass (even though we were). We won because Hitler and the Japanese couldn't even dream of matching our ability to manufacture weapons, planes, tanks, ships.
I took a boat tour by Bath Iron Works in Maine last summer. You can't tour it inside anymore for defense security reasons. This one shipyard was putting out a new destroyer ship every 17 days during the peak of WW2. Destroyer wasn't a huge ship but they still were big chunks of metal and weapons not to be trifled with. Nowadays, they make this really badass looking stealth ship for us. It looks like something from a sci-fi movie.
But yeah, this is nothing for manufacturing. If we get these car factories tooled up quick enough they will make more ventilators than we would ever need in no time. Hopefully the real win will be the American people see a need to get manufacturing away from China finally and we can make a push there.
we are hundreds of thousands of ventilators short of what we are going to be needing in 2 or 3 weeks.... and week after week after week they've been TELLING the government this, the govenors, doctors etc...especially the last 2 weeks as we watched what was happening in Italy 100s of people having to die in hallways because they had no where near enougy ventilators - now it's 900+ in 24 hours just the ones dying in hospitals due to lack of ventilators...
that's what's it's going to be like in a half dozen or dozen cities long before these guys now talking about staring it - no doubt with Elon involved they started within hours of him saying he was taking this on but obviously it's going to be a couple days to just start the planning... a week or more before they can really start to get the refitting done and another week or two to test the initial run of ventilators - they can't just stick them down someones throat without some testing phase for several days... so ya it's likely 3 or 4 weeks out before their first 10,000-20,000 roll out and another week or two before the rollout is 50,000 or more per week... by then 10s of thousands of people will need a ventilator to survive and won't get them
especially because 10s of thousands of 20-40 year olds are not worried at all about getting / spreading this virus - even tho up to 40% of them are going to end up needing ICU and venilators so 1000s of those who most needed them won't get one due to those 20 year olds not caring if they are going to end up taking one of those extremely limited ventliators... people like me who are terminal will be left in the hallway to die like 100s do every day in Italy - because when someone else dies or gets relased that ventilator is going to one of those 25 year old beach goers, over someone terminal anyhow....
We have no idea how many 100s of thousands of people in USA have this virus - likely by 2 weeks from now 1 or 2 million.... if you check the information on that we are several 100,000 ventilators short... most of those will be needed within 2-4 weeks and won't be out by then... had they started 2-3 weeks ago when govenors and doctors were sounding alarms day in and out... likely the first set of 1000s a day would be rolling off the line right about the time they will be most needed - a week or two (however 3 weeks ago..., they had no idea how bad this entire thing was going to be world wide... but obviously they should have been planning for worst case senerio not best.... but then I have 0 doubt all those people standing at those mikes wouldn't have their loved ones in a hallway wating for a respirator.... kinda like it seems the staffers of the congressmen are constantly being tested ... and atletes and so on here in spokane week after week after week we can't get testing... even tho we had 1000s of people going to and from Seattle area to Spokane area daily from the start of the outrbreak until about 7 days ago... still many 100s a day going back and forth obviously ...
anyhow my point is where the heck did you come up with 'a few thousand veniliators' - certainly not from a reliable source NYC itse'f is going to be 50-100k ventilators short and that obviously isn't counting the rest of NY and NJ and Cali and Wa and and and and and ....
10s of thousands of people who didn't HAVE to die will de due to them not even starting to work on getting ventilators produced here until THE LAST FEW DAYS.... sad sad sad ... and no I am NOT blaming the president - we've known for a decade there could be a bio terriost attack here and we the people have NOT demanded our government prepare and make sure there was a plan to protect us... If anyone is to blame for this deadly delay in getting the dsperately needed supplies being made at the maxium we could make them 2 or even 3 weeks ago it'd be pence he's an intelligent man he KNEW what was happening in Italy ... and esp last week what was happening in italy as doctors were having to decide who lived and who died non stop all day and night... and he what sat there and agreed with the 'IF we need to in the future ... we will' (no doubt his loved ones won't be waiting in a hallway for a ventilator either....
bro, its gonna be ok. Do not underestimate the power of the most advanced technological society in all existence. We can handle this.
its impossible to prepare for every hypothetical scenario. Its just not how any of this works. This is real life. Shit happens, people die. Thats never going to change. If the public starts to feel more like you perhaps they will build more lifeboats for the next Titanic but seriously... its going to be ok.
Still, however many ventilators you're going to have to build, it's not going to be anywhere near the scale of 300,000 planes + 100,000 tanks + 7,000 ships + 15,000,000 small arms.
I read they stopped testing. Who knows the truth? I can't imagine that country kept it down to only 80k infected or whatever it is now. Altho I did see a video a month or more ago and they were welding people in apartment buildings. Craziness. Again, not sure if that was true either.
Our ability to produce in World War II is what vaulted us to become the superpower we are today. This is our chance to re-establish that title. We can win while winning.
We sure as hell didn't manage all that through the power of market competition. Centralized executive direction was necessary and we need that now. Not bidding wars and volunteerism. Nationalize the medical supply chain.
Until you realize that different people say this about practically every brand out there. Ford hasn't stayed in business by building crap. Every auto maker makes a shitty model every now and then
2004 F150 186,592 miles. Brakes, tires, oil, air filters, bulbs. Plugs at 100,000 that was not fun. They were frozen in place. $450 to replace plugs...ouch. only other thing was $700 for A arm bushings+ other front end peice parts at 80,000 miles. I am confident she has another 100,000 in her.
Trucks are old designs, they don't change much and they work. The same engineers who designed the trucks are dead, if they were alive they design a great car too.
We had a Ford Escort that was old enough to vote by the time we got rid of it. It had some problems, but no more than any other car I've ever owned.
The reason we will never buy another Ford has nothing to do with the cars themselves, but with the dealerships. There are two Ford dealers in my area, and both of them have the lousiest service departments I've ever experienced. Nothing but problems. A random sampling of monkeys could do a better job.
Amen. I absolutely adore my 2015 Focus SE with a manual. That thing is bulletproof. The goofy semi-auto transmission they used in the automatics suck huge ass though. Biggest problem is finding a manual. They made very few unless you get a Focus ST.
That's why they stopped (excluding the mustang) - mustang's are reliable as all fuck. (170k on mine, still running at 435hp and hitting 12 second passes on the quarter)
Trucks are almost indestructible though. I sold my 01 powerstroke at 375k miles and still see the rancher I sold it to driving it around.
I'm glad Ford retooled to only build what sells and doesn't break
I sold my 2015 GT PP and it was ProCharged at about 700 HP. It was bulletproof. It was a manual tranny and those were said to be wonky but it held up very good. The 5.0 modular motor is pretty amazing for its displacement.
Mines a 4.6L S197 - naturally aspirated because CA bullshit smog laws - still worked up as much as I could with cam, heads, throttle body, roush tuned, intake, exhaust, 9" rear, steeda suspension and fuel system work. Went from 305 stock to 435 on a dyno to the wheels. I'm happy with it, but a coyote will be in my near future.. I've pretty much maxed out my S197.
Explorers are bulletproof for the most part. Verdict still out on the 2020s, still too new to tell. Escapes and edges are decent, but lack power.. most small suvs do now. Expeditions are expensive, but super cushy.
My 07 ford focus would like to have a word about that lol. Almost 250k miles and all I had to do was replace thermostat and valve cover gasket. And the thermostat was because it wasnt heating up fast enough.
Was this what it felt like in WWII when manufacturers weren’t multinationals and actually gave a shit about the the country and its middle class working families?
For those who wonder what I mean: This kind of roll-up-your-sleeves and cross industry lines is only possible because Trump has made promises to provide protection from the tort-whores (lawyers) and Congress (lawyers).
Dem Press Pool: We'll take credit for that, if not for us badgering POTUS with our bullshit accusatory leading questions he never would have done anything, REEEEEEE!
I like how GEOTUS slipped in that last statement. If I were an executive I'd interpret that as "Lets see which one of you can crank out the best quality in the fastest time." And my reaction would be "we're gonna smoke the competition and win the praise."
I think it's telling that he can get all these private organizations to do this without forcing them. The media hounds on him for not forcing all these companies to make things, but the reason is he doesn't have to. They're choosing to do it on their own.
"Did...did the President just throw down the gauntlet? Are we really competing to see who can deliver the best product to the most people??? (rolls up sleeves) We're gonna f-ing smoke the other guys....clicks phone EVERYBODY GET IN VIDEO CHAT RIGHT NOW!"
Well if they start sending orders down the supply chain it's possible I get some. Unlikely but possible. I'd absolutely see this as a challenge to impress the geotus and the U.S.
This is a very good point. Trump has his stuff together, but everyone down the chain needs to have theirs too. When I read stories about cities seemingly randomly changing their testing locations or not having them open at all, I imagine a warehouse full of supplies that may never see the light of day.
And we are not done yet. I see it this way; We are in the middle of a trilogy. The first movie was all about Trump winning the presidency. The second movie is about Trump beating the Wuhan Flu.
What will the third movie will be about? Re-starting the economy. Let me tell you; it will be awesome. He's a President with decades of private sector knowledge, a reality-distortion field and a deep distrust for Globalism. I will be over there with some popcorn.
In fact, we made SO many, that we supplied our allies DURING the war and for decades after the war with lightly/unused equipment while we innovated and produced more/newer stuff.
Right! Japan had one of the most powerful navies in history, but after Manchuria was liberated they lost the bulk of their steel, so when we sunk a Japanese ship, it was gone, no replacement. When they sunk one of ours, there was ten more leaving the shipyard.
TBH we had lost many ships at Pearl Harbor. Thankfully the 3 Carriers we had were out to sea when Japan struck Pearl Harbor.The US had to move a carrier that was all but sunk because of the battle at Coral Sea The Yorktown over to Midway. The US was out gunned by The Japanese. BUT The US was smarter. We Had Technology like Radar...and the BIGGEST break America got was the Naval Codebreakers. The Codebreakers were able to find out that Japan was planning a attack on Midway.Even with the advance notice the US was still unable to prepare fully. But some very luck happened and we wound up kicking Japan ass at Midway.
And then we Marshall planned the hell out of Japan, made em friends, showed them a better way in which they are a shining example to this day of capitalism and egg on the face of the Soviet Union. The only better example is the difference between the North and South of the 38th Parallel in Korea.
Moonbats are trying to start the narrative that all Trump is doing is sitting around having meetings and there is no private innovation and we arent rising the occassion like we have in the past. I'm not sure how deluded you have to be to actively ignore what he is doing.
Trump and his team are writing the book on how to deal with a pandemic which will become the model moving forward. No innovation my ass.
The short time frame of this crisis means we are not going to magic up some new 3D holographic chip that fixes everything. A big part of whether we win is human behavior and coordination.
This is what capitalism and marketplace competition looks like. Are they going to succeed? Dunno. Trying, competing, letting the best rise to the top. That’s what matters.
We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first fastest Build ventilators and metal products.Donald trump will be that man to make it happen. Better Built than they were before. Better, stronger, faster.
My family business has Tesla as a customer. We were waiting for something like this to happen. We will be very busy moving forward now that I see this.
I hope they actually get deployed and corrupt assholes don't keep these things in warehouses collecting dust, like with the HAITI AID, and much of the aid for Hurricane Katrina back in the day.
That's America! Ability to adapt in times of need.
Maybe this pandemic will allow us to become a manufacturing powerhouse again? Let's cut China out of the deal and let jobs come back to America.
America always was AND is still a manufacturing powerhouse.
Americans are just learning that some products can't be subcontracted to unreliable partners.
I had no clue we got so many pharmaceuticals and shit from China. They charge us so much fucking money and still can't even make it in America. What are we paying for?
I assume the dumb, generic stuff is made overseas. This should includes Acetaminophen and Chloroquine.
Now that we actually need all the Chloroquine we can find...
Unfortunately it’s pretty much everything. We design it, and it’s made somewhere else.
We design and they steal the designs.
My understanding is the chemical ingredients are 95% made in China, not necessarily the making of the end product is 95% Chinese. Kinda like Breaking Bad.... the bottleneck was the chems.
I believe this is true. It's mostly the precursors we receive from China.
To enrich our enemies and lose strategic manufacturing capacity
It's not what we're paying for, it's what we're not paying for. Which is mainly wages.
We also have to pay extra to support Europe's price controls.
Advertising and diversity programs at all the pharma corps.
The excuse for YEARS from Pharma companies why we couldn't import cheaper drugs from Canada and Mexico was quality control. They're all made in the same Chinese factories! I wish we had a press to find these things out for us.
The press is in China's pocket as long as Trump is against them
The way it works is pharmaceuticals sold in the US have to follow Good Manufacturing Practices. If you're already producing a pharmaceutical, you probably already have good manufacturing practices (lowercase "g", "m", and "p") in place; but not all manufacturers want to spend the time (and money) to go through what is effectively a paperwork exercise to get the approvals to be able sell the drug in the US. Especially for generics which aren't prescribed often or don't cost very much.
The United States began to change over to a service economy back in the 50's. Financial Services, hence all the debt. The joys of private central banking.
I've heard economists say over and over that outsourcing isn't always terrible because in theory if you take the textile mills outside of the US and ship them to China/Bangledesh/wherever you free up resources in the US to make stuff that shouldn't be outsourced.
I don't agree with it (you can't necessarily turn a guy who makes jeans for a living into a chemist) but I get their logic.
The logic is sound, the problem is the execution. The guy who makes jeans will likely never be a chemist, but he could be making other products that should be made at home. Unfortunately the management of what should be made here is woefully inadequate. Corruption and Chrony capitalism, as well as plain old ineptitude all contribute to this. Certain products should be made here, or at least have the capacity to be made here for national security. Striking the balance won’t be easy, but it can be done with the will.
Capitalism has nothing to do with it. It’s Dem and dumb liberals who put in more and more regulations to make it not cost effective to make things in the USA. Then they open the borders and allow “free” trade.
We hear every kind of excuse. That one sounds typically Harvard.
I think it shows the myopic understanding present in theories.
While in theory we can outsource production to other areas to free up resources at home to manufacture more complicated products, that only works if the factories we've contracted to for outsourcing can produce a product of similar quality and quantity.
Except that a majority of products from China are cheaply made and inferior. So, in practice we're freeing up resources so we can outsource products that often don't work as well, have higher failure rates, and ultimately cost more because consumers are having to replace them more frequently.
I'd argue the net economic impact from outsourcing to China is worse than if we hadn't done it in the first place. It's just that most people are under the impression the goods are cheaper and therefore cost us less. Which would be true if the quality were analogous but it's not.
But then you ask them "what shouldn't be outsourced, why shouldn't it be outsourced, and who decides what shouldn't be outsourced?" they don't really have a good answer for that.
Definitely! They just say "Oh wanting to 'Buy American' is just Xenophobic. By the way, let me check my stock portfolio for a second."
You haven’t been following what has happened to manufacturing since the Clinton presidency, have you?
Giant sucking sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ7kn2-GEmM
Were you around from 1950-1970? Big Pharma today has profits equal to the rest of the Fortune 500. Not disputing what you say, mind you.
Get those brand names on hospital equipment in front of patients and families. Increase competition for expensive healthcare devices, promote innovation, reduce costs. Sound like a solid plan. It's all GE now, they dominate and buy out pretty much everyone from research to medicine.
Tell that to the thousands who were screwed out of retirement benifits by Jack Welch's General Electric.
what about US mining?
greenies and commie scum like NRDC do everything in their power to destroy US mineral independence.
https://twitter.com/NRDC
we need to cull critical race theory once and for all.
It's a nice thought, but the volume of what's needed to be built here (a few thousand ventilators) probably isn't really enough to expand overall manufacturing capacity.
In WW2 it was guns, tanks and planes that needed to built by their hundreds of thousands (the US manufactured 300,000 planes during WW2. That's not a typo. Three hundred thousand), or in the case of small arms, millions.
The scale of what needs to be built for this crisis is minescule by comparison to what needed to be built for WW2. Don't expect any real expansion of manufacturing sector as a reuslt.
Yep, we didn't win the war because we were especially badass (even though we were). We won because Hitler and the Japanese couldn't even dream of matching our ability to manufacture weapons, planes, tanks, ships.
I took a boat tour by Bath Iron Works in Maine last summer. You can't tour it inside anymore for defense security reasons. This one shipyard was putting out a new destroyer ship every 17 days during the peak of WW2. Destroyer wasn't a huge ship but they still were big chunks of metal and weapons not to be trifled with. Nowadays, they make this really badass looking stealth ship for us. It looks like something from a sci-fi movie.
But yeah, this is nothing for manufacturing. If we get these car factories tooled up quick enough they will make more ventilators than we would ever need in no time. Hopefully the real win will be the American people see a need to get manufacturing away from China finally and we can make a push there.
a few thousand ventilators?!??!?!
we are hundreds of thousands of ventilators short of what we are going to be needing in 2 or 3 weeks.... and week after week after week they've been TELLING the government this, the govenors, doctors etc...especially the last 2 weeks as we watched what was happening in Italy 100s of people having to die in hallways because they had no where near enougy ventilators - now it's 900+ in 24 hours just the ones dying in hospitals due to lack of ventilators...
that's what's it's going to be like in a half dozen or dozen cities long before these guys now talking about staring it - no doubt with Elon involved they started within hours of him saying he was taking this on but obviously it's going to be a couple days to just start the planning... a week or more before they can really start to get the refitting done and another week or two to test the initial run of ventilators - they can't just stick them down someones throat without some testing phase for several days... so ya it's likely 3 or 4 weeks out before their first 10,000-20,000 roll out and another week or two before the rollout is 50,000 or more per week... by then 10s of thousands of people will need a ventilator to survive and won't get them
especially because 10s of thousands of 20-40 year olds are not worried at all about getting / spreading this virus - even tho up to 40% of them are going to end up needing ICU and venilators so 1000s of those who most needed them won't get one due to those 20 year olds not caring if they are going to end up taking one of those extremely limited ventliators... people like me who are terminal will be left in the hallway to die like 100s do every day in Italy - because when someone else dies or gets relased that ventilator is going to one of those 25 year old beach goers, over someone terminal anyhow....
We have no idea how many 100s of thousands of people in USA have this virus - likely by 2 weeks from now 1 or 2 million.... if you check the information on that we are several 100,000 ventilators short... most of those will be needed within 2-4 weeks and won't be out by then... had they started 2-3 weeks ago when govenors and doctors were sounding alarms day in and out... likely the first set of 1000s a day would be rolling off the line right about the time they will be most needed - a week or two (however 3 weeks ago..., they had no idea how bad this entire thing was going to be world wide... but obviously they should have been planning for worst case senerio not best.... but then I have 0 doubt all those people standing at those mikes wouldn't have their loved ones in a hallway wating for a respirator.... kinda like it seems the staffers of the congressmen are constantly being tested ... and atletes and so on here in spokane week after week after week we can't get testing... even tho we had 1000s of people going to and from Seattle area to Spokane area daily from the start of the outrbreak until about 7 days ago... still many 100s a day going back and forth obviously ...
anyhow my point is where the heck did you come up with 'a few thousand veniliators' - certainly not from a reliable source NYC itse'f is going to be 50-100k ventilators short and that obviously isn't counting the rest of NY and NJ and Cali and Wa and and and and and ....
10s of thousands of people who didn't HAVE to die will de due to them not even starting to work on getting ventilators produced here until THE LAST FEW DAYS.... sad sad sad ... and no I am NOT blaming the president - we've known for a decade there could be a bio terriost attack here and we the people have NOT demanded our government prepare and make sure there was a plan to protect us... If anyone is to blame for this deadly delay in getting the dsperately needed supplies being made at the maxium we could make them 2 or even 3 weeks ago it'd be pence he's an intelligent man he KNEW what was happening in Italy ... and esp last week what was happening in italy as doctors were having to decide who lived and who died non stop all day and night... and he what sat there and agreed with the 'IF we need to in the future ... we will' (no doubt his loved ones won't be waiting in a hallway for a ventilator either....
sad...
bro, its gonna be ok. Do not underestimate the power of the most advanced technological society in all existence. We can handle this.
its impossible to prepare for every hypothetical scenario. Its just not how any of this works. This is real life. Shit happens, people die. Thats never going to change. If the public starts to feel more like you perhaps they will build more lifeboats for the next Titanic but seriously... its going to be ok.
Think there will be demand? Get started on production, you'll make lots of money
Still, however many ventilators you're going to have to build, it's not going to be anywhere near the scale of 300,000 planes + 100,000 tanks + 7,000 ships + 15,000,000 small arms.
Watch the power of capitalism blow this thing up.
Capitalism wins again!
Got to hand it to Communism, though. They hit it over the head with a shovel, shot it, and buried it in an unmarked grave.
You have a point, but is that US?
No, and it didn’t work either.
Lol hey their "numbers" have gone down.
I read they stopped testing. Who knows the truth? I can't imagine that country kept it down to only 80k infected or whatever it is now. Altho I did see a video a month or more ago and they were welding people in apartment buildings. Craziness. Again, not sure if that was true either.
Our ability to produce in World War II is what vaulted us to become the superpower we are today. This is our chance to re-establish that title. We can win while winning.
We sure as hell didn't manage all that through the power of market competition. Centralized executive direction was necessary and we need that now. Not bidding wars and volunteerism. Nationalize the medical supply chain.
They may know how to how to build trucks but they built the worst cars ever. I’m driving one right now until my lawyers straighten it out.
Until you realize that different people say this about practically every brand out there. Ford hasn't stayed in business by building crap. Every auto maker makes a shitty model every now and then
2004 F150 186,592 miles. Brakes, tires, oil, air filters, bulbs. Plugs at 100,000 that was not fun. They were frozen in place. $450 to replace plugs...ouch. only other thing was $700 for A arm bushings+ other front end peice parts at 80,000 miles. I am confident she has another 100,000 in her.
Cries in BMW ownership.
Trucks are old designs, they don't change much and they work. The same engineers who designed the trucks are dead, if they were alive they design a great car too.
We had a Ford Escort that was old enough to vote by the time we got rid of it. It had some problems, but no more than any other car I've ever owned.
The reason we will never buy another Ford has nothing to do with the cars themselves, but with the dealerships. There are two Ford dealers in my area, and both of them have the lousiest service departments I've ever experienced. Nothing but problems. A random sampling of monkeys could do a better job.
The first LEXUS I ever saw had this on the back window in Football decor paint. "$50,000 LEMON!"
Which auto companies received money from the government to avoid closing?
Not Ford.
I bought a Ford focus in 2015. DDG “2015 Ford focus lawsuit” and you’ll see all about it.
Should have bought a manual.
The manuals are excellent. Prices are super low because of all the shitty publicity about the autos.
Amen. I absolutely adore my 2015 Focus SE with a manual. That thing is bulletproof. The goofy semi-auto transmission they used in the automatics suck huge ass though. Biggest problem is finding a manual. They made very few unless you get a Focus ST.
Don’t worry, they pretty much stopped making cars
DO IT.
They stopped building new cars (except the mustang).. so if you're looking at a sedan - They don't make em
That's why they stopped (excluding the mustang) - mustang's are reliable as all fuck. (170k on mine, still running at 435hp and hitting 12 second passes on the quarter)
Trucks are almost indestructible though. I sold my 01 powerstroke at 375k miles and still see the rancher I sold it to driving it around.
I'm glad Ford retooled to only build what sells and doesn't break
I sold my 2015 GT PP and it was ProCharged at about 700 HP. It was bulletproof. It was a manual tranny and those were said to be wonky but it held up very good. The 5.0 modular motor is pretty amazing for its displacement.
Mines a 4.6L S197 - naturally aspirated because CA bullshit smog laws - still worked up as much as I could with cam, heads, throttle body, roush tuned, intake, exhaust, 9" rear, steeda suspension and fuel system work. Went from 305 stock to 435 on a dyno to the wheels. I'm happy with it, but a coyote will be in my near future.. I've pretty much maxed out my S197.
How are their SUVs?
Explorers are bulletproof for the most part. Verdict still out on the 2020s, still too new to tell. Escapes and edges are decent, but lack power.. most small suvs do now. Expeditions are expensive, but super cushy.
I will never drive anything but a Pontiac sedan... Well at least for the next 15 years. GM dun fucked up when they axed em
My 07 ford focus would like to have a word about that lol. Almost 250k miles and all I had to do was replace thermostat and valve cover gasket. And the thermostat was because it wasnt heating up fast enough.
I wish!! Mine has an extremely unsafe manufacturers defect that cannot be fixed.
Which is what?
If a GM ventilator is like my last 2 GM cars, we'll live but just barely - and with a lot of trips to the ventilator shop.
Stop taking your mustang to the ventilator shop, then.
GM mustang?
Was going with Ford. Whoopsie
FORD: Finagling Oriental Respiratory Diseases.
Was this what it felt like in WWII when manufacturers weren’t multinationals and actually gave a shit about the the country and its middle class working families?
Also, what about Fiat-Chrysler? They especially should have a keen interest in producing mechanical ventilators
Also its a win-win-win for automakers at a very tough moment.
Good citizenship.
Good PR.
Keep employees employed.
This is a sign of good management (by Trump)
For those who wonder what I mean: This kind of roll-up-your-sleeves and cross industry lines is only possible because Trump has made promises to provide protection from the tort-whores (lawyers) and Congress (lawyers).
Tort-whores (whores) and Congress (whores).
We want our ventilators to work tho...
Fuck those French Frogs. Not the Americans working in the factories...the French owners of Chrysler that has made Chryslere worse than ever.
Dems: This is unfair - we need the environmentally safe cars more.
Dem Press Pool: We'll take credit for that, if not for us badgering POTUS with our bullshit accusatory leading questions he never would have done anything, REEEEEEE!
It’s all good they already hate Elon after he said a few semi red pilled things.
Dems: Detroit auto makers are non-essential. No ventilators (or hydroxychloroquine) for you!
Also, these ventilators are unproven and have not passed the rigorous inspection standards at CNN or the NYT. This is clearly a racist dog whistle
Slate: Why you should be angry about how manufacturing ventilators hurts the environment, and POC in particular.
I like how GEOTUS slipped in that last statement. If I were an executive I'd interpret that as "Lets see which one of you can crank out the best quality in the fastest time." And my reaction would be "we're gonna smoke the competition and win the praise."
Elon, I've been buying Tesla stock all month, I believe in that man.
He’s something else for sure
I love the numerous challenges to private industry. POTUS truly understands what makes this country great and how to harness it.
I think it's telling that he can get all these private organizations to do this without forcing them. The media hounds on him for not forcing all these companies to make things, but the reason is he doesn't have to. They're choosing to do it on their own.
I freak'in love how he challenges them a little bit.. "let's see how good you are"
I take that as a good spirited jab, probably with a wink. "com'on America, let's show the world how it's done."
I love this President.
Ford and GM? They will absolutely take that as a challenge. He just poked at their competitive nature.
"Did...did the President just throw down the gauntlet? Are we really competing to see who can deliver the best product to the most people??? (rolls up sleeves) We're gonna f-ing smoke the other guys....clicks phone EVERYBODY GET IN VIDEO CHAT RIGHT NOW!"
Well if they start sending orders down the supply chain it's possible I get some. Unlikely but possible. I'd absolutely see this as a challenge to impress the geotus and the U.S.
This is a very good point. Trump has his stuff together, but everyone down the chain needs to have theirs too. When I read stories about cities seemingly randomly changing their testing locations or not having them open at all, I imagine a warehouse full of supplies that may never see the light of day.
GM "Ford Cobra unit just ran a 9 second naturally aspirated... can we LS swap our unit yet?"
Detroit, for the win.
Reminder China bought up and hoarded crucial supplies for themselves
Don't get complacent. Vote, people.
Especially since they'll start cutting off his access to people via tv, social media and everything else. It's coming.
Did anyone remembers how Steve Jobs used to "Bend Reality" to sell Apple products?
Donald Trump is "Bending Reality" to save the United States and the rest of the globe... and it's breathtakingly beautiful.
The bend-reality force field was strong with Jobs and even stronger with Trump.
The last 3 years have been a masterclass in watching the Teflon Don force field at work
And we are not done yet. I see it this way; We are in the middle of a trilogy. The first movie was all about Trump winning the presidency. The second movie is about Trump beating the Wuhan Flu.
What will the third movie will be about? Re-starting the economy. Let me tell you; it will be awesome. He's a President with decades of private sector knowledge, a reality-distortion field and a deep distrust for Globalism. I will be over there with some popcorn.
This gives me hope!
The Tesla ones are going to have huge batteries, touch screens, and rocket engine parts.
Hopefully it doesn't drive the patient's lungs into a tree!
They might shoot one into space for the lulz.
Tesla probably has the best chance of doing this quickly. They still have real R&D. I hope they smoke the competition.
lol
tesla has 0 manufacturing capabilities
really?
clearly you have never been there then, they have some of the biggest sheet metal presses out there, along with fabrication equipment to suit.
You might also remember SpaceX are involved and they have a full machine shop (and some)
Tesla is basically half R&D, half manufacturing startup.
They will also self drive, and be able to do vertical take off and landing
they will also go up into flames
take note China. we can also make tanks and ships this fast too.
bitch.
As we did before...
In fact, we made SO many, that we supplied our allies DURING the war and for decades after the war with lightly/unused equipment while we innovated and produced more/newer stuff.
The rate the US was pumping out ships by the end of the war was fucking insane. I really hope we can see something like that with this.
Right! Japan had one of the most powerful navies in history, but after Manchuria was liberated they lost the bulk of their steel, so when we sunk a Japanese ship, it was gone, no replacement. When they sunk one of ours, there was ten more leaving the shipyard.
TBH we had lost many ships at Pearl Harbor. Thankfully the 3 Carriers we had were out to sea when Japan struck Pearl Harbor.The US had to move a carrier that was all but sunk because of the battle at Coral Sea The Yorktown over to Midway. The US was out gunned by The Japanese. BUT The US was smarter. We Had Technology like Radar...and the BIGGEST break America got was the Naval Codebreakers. The Codebreakers were able to find out that Japan was planning a attack on Midway.Even with the advance notice the US was still unable to prepare fully. But some very luck happened and we wound up kicking Japan ass at Midway.
And then we Marshall planned the hell out of Japan, made em friends, showed them a better way in which they are a shining example to this day of capitalism and egg on the face of the Soviet Union. The only better example is the difference between the North and South of the 38th Parallel in Korea.
We built the first A-Bomb and got Japan under control pretty quickly. There is no limit on our Capabilities. Fuck with US and find out.
Moonbats are trying to start the narrative that all Trump is doing is sitting around having meetings and there is no private innovation and we arent rising the occassion like we have in the past. I'm not sure how deluded you have to be to actively ignore what he is doing.
Trump and his team are writing the book on how to deal with a pandemic which will become the model moving forward. No innovation my ass.
The short time frame of this crisis means we are not going to magic up some new 3D holographic chip that fixes everything. A big part of whether we win is human behavior and coordination.
Musk
You damm genius
Let’s get it boys. We will WIN
now thats how you lead america.
not by assuming control of production, but by challenging the private industry to show what they are made of
Amen amen amen
You can do that with cooperation. But if the Press continues to obstruct Trumps message, control might be required for the duration of the crisis.
Damn well better return the favor. We didn't keep GM open for nothing.
Old Wives Tales sometimes work. You dont know until you try.
Remember these companies (Hanes, these auto makers, Zoom, construction companies donating masks, etc) when this is over.
They were the ones who stepped up with solutions and patriotism.
Nice.
This is what capitalism and marketplace competition looks like. Are they going to succeed? Dunno. Trying, competing, letting the best rise to the top. That’s what matters.
METAL PRODUCTS=BLACK GUNS
TRUMP IS CONVERTING AMERICA TO A GIANT GUN FACTOREEEEEEEEEE
MSNBC BREAKING NEWS
Volkswagen was created by literally Hitler, I recently learned.
"Damn it who put a question mark on that tweet?!"
im ron burgundy?
Sticker: My other lung machine is a Chevy
Now that's how you lead a daggum country, son.
Democrats tryin to use this to ruin the president has unleashed the True American spirit of perseverance. Also free market at work!
DAMN! Now people are going to want to know who's got the most powerful ventilator and how they can soup it up!
I need at least 715 HP!
TRUMP ∞
Whoever posted a joke here about buying ammo before TP was not far off.
Tesla already has that option for medical grade cabin . Everyone laughed when we saw that a few years ago.
We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first fastest Build ventilators and metal products.Donald trump will be that man to make it happen. Better Built than they were before. Better, stronger, faster.
Elon needs to create a patch that converts all Teslas to mobile respirators
MAGA 100%
My family business has Tesla as a customer. We were waiting for something like this to happen. We will be very busy moving forward now that I see this.
Obama’s tweet after the private sector manufactures 1000’s of ventilators:
“You didn’t build that.”
I hope they actually get deployed and corrupt assholes don't keep these things in warehouses collecting dust, like with the HAITI AID, and much of the aid for Hurricane Katrina back in the day.
God I love the daily conferences. Can't wait to ignore whatever bullshit work has me doing tomorrow to watch it.
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
The things this President is doing is making history and will be his lasting legacy as much as his economic genius.
But I was told we had to flatten the curve because increasing the health systems capabilities and supplies was impossible!
Best President ever. This is what true leadership looks like. Phenomenal.
We have the best manufacturers!
Will the Tesla ones have a big battery attached?
Love this, challenge them and watch them step up. How will the fake news haters twist this into a negative?