Exactly! Sure, we've been using ventilators for years to help people breathe, throw that nonsense aside.
Has it been tested in a controlled study on confirmed Covid-19 patients exhibiting breathing trouble? We also have to be sure to leave some of these patients off of the ventilators to use as comparison points. It's a scientific study after all and we need a control.
Trump is sentencing thousands of people to death suggesting that doctors use ventilators on this!
It's shocking that the "party of science" thinks the ONLY useful way to do anything is controlled studies. They love to think they are smart discounting "anecdotal evidence" or "appeals to authority". Sometimes there's no time to waste and anecdotal evidence and experts is all we have to go off
I believe in science! what science? Global warming! oh how does GW work? uhhh I don't need to know because scientists agree with me! which scientists? The smart ones.
You're assuming they would actually fight. Realistically they would sell out to the highest bidder, capitulate and then blame bad orange man for their loss.
Probably going to get downvoted for this. I'm HOPING AND PRAYING that Hydrochlorine is going to be the silver bullet. I STRONGLY believe that patients should have the right to take it if they desire.
All that to say, the evidence base is weak. We have a small non-randomized trial in France (very promising) and a letter from a Hassidic doctor in NYC. The invitro study basically said that injecting this drug directly into cells slowed the replication of the virus. In-vitro studies establish logical pluasible causal mechanisms. In vivo studies establish human subject trials that establish whether or not it works in the real world.
Like I said, I am HOPEFUL about this drug combo. But I don't get why we are all putting all of our eggs in one basket. We have several ongoing trials that will better inform whether or not it works. Like GEOTUS said maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. For some patients, they have nothing to lose. But before we start panic buying this medicine, we should know whether it actually works. It is not settled.
Read the study carefully (use translate). The patients that did not get chloroquine got antivirals for which there is also not a blind study. The Chinese protocol includes some medication always.
There's no scientific evidence whatsoever that people born with XY chromosomes in every cell are "women." Yet liberals believe it.
There's no scientific evidence suggesting that fetuses gestated for eight or nine months are not human or not alive. Yet liberals believe it.
There is not one drop of scientific evidence showing that homosexual marriages last as long as heterosexual ones. Yet liberals believe it.
There's no scientific study proving that if you pass a law banning guns, criminals will suddenly turn over a new leaf and OBEY that law, when they're accustomed to violating existing laws against using guns to commit crimes. Yet liberals believe it.
There's no science backing the idea that if you pay people permanently not to work, they will still choose to work, and just as hard as they were doing before. Yet liberals believe it.
There's no scientific study showing white people are born inherently prejudiced against non-whites. None. Yet liberals believe it.
There's never been a scientific study showing that a government can tax and spend its way to prosperity as a long-term plan. Yet liberals believe it.
There's almost nothing so unscientific that you can't get liberals to believe it.
Exactly! Sure, we've been using ventilators for years to help people breathe, throw that nonsense aside.
Has it been tested in a controlled study on confirmed Covid-19 patients exhibiting breathing trouble? We also have to be sure to leave some of these patients off of the ventilators to use as comparison points. It's a scientific study after all and we need a control.
Trump is sentencing thousands of people to death suggesting that doctors use ventilators on this!
It's shocking that the "party of science" thinks the ONLY useful way to do anything is controlled studies. They love to think they are smart discounting "anecdotal evidence" or "appeals to authority". Sometimes there's no time to waste and anecdotal evidence and experts is all we have to go off
Pretty rich because their entire worldview on so many things is based purely on calls to authority.
I think it’s more that their world view revolves around them being right and you being wrong no matter the facts of a situation.
Facts? Where we're going, we don't need facts!
I believe in science! what science? Global warming! oh how does GW work? uhhh I don't need to know because scientists agree with me! which scientists? The smart ones.
Could you imagine them trying to plan an attack in a war? "We can't do that we are putting American soliders lives at risk!"
Before they have a plan the enemy has them fully surrounded outside and they are all killed or captured.
You've just described a feminist led government.
You're assuming they would actually fight. Realistically they would sell out to the highest bidder, capitulate and then blame bad orange man for their loss.
One person's anecdotal evidence is unreliable.
Thousands of people's anecdotal evidence is a data set.
If you have two competing data sets of anecdotal evidence, you can then discount them both.
Where is the competing data set that says the drug does not work? It doesn't exist.
Ipso facto, we have a data set that currently PROVES the drug is effective.
The people who ate fish tank cleaner.
Basically my point. It's not even related data.
I don't remember anyone outlawing washing machines when people were dumb enough to eat tide pods.
Probably going to get downvoted for this. I'm HOPING AND PRAYING that Hydrochlorine is going to be the silver bullet. I STRONGLY believe that patients should have the right to take it if they desire.
That said, there was some disappointing evidence (albeit from a Chinese university) today: http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
All that to say, the evidence base is weak. We have a small non-randomized trial in France (very promising) and a letter from a Hassidic doctor in NYC. The invitro study basically said that injecting this drug directly into cells slowed the replication of the virus. In-vitro studies establish logical pluasible causal mechanisms. In vivo studies establish human subject trials that establish whether or not it works in the real world.
Like I said, I am HOPEFUL about this drug combo. But I don't get why we are all putting all of our eggs in one basket. We have several ongoing trials that will better inform whether or not it works. Like GEOTUS said maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. For some patients, they have nothing to lose. But before we start panic buying this medicine, we should know whether it actually works. It is not settled.
Read the study carefully (use translate). The patients that did not get chloroquine got antivirals for which there is also not a blind study. The Chinese protocol includes some medication always.
Even if you disagree with patients being given the drug just because they asked, if a goddamn doctor wants to do it - they can't now in nevada.
There's no scientific evidence whatsoever that people born with XY chromosomes in every cell are "women." Yet liberals believe it.
There's no scientific evidence suggesting that fetuses gestated for eight or nine months are not human or not alive. Yet liberals believe it.
There is not one drop of scientific evidence showing that homosexual marriages last as long as heterosexual ones. Yet liberals believe it.
There's no scientific study proving that if you pass a law banning guns, criminals will suddenly turn over a new leaf and OBEY that law, when they're accustomed to violating existing laws against using guns to commit crimes. Yet liberals believe it.
There's no science backing the idea that if you pay people permanently not to work, they will still choose to work, and just as hard as they were doing before. Yet liberals believe it.
There's no scientific study showing white people are born inherently prejudiced against non-whites. None. Yet liberals believe it.
There's never been a scientific study showing that a government can tax and spend its way to prosperity as a long-term plan. Yet liberals believe it.
There's almost nothing so unscientific that you can't get liberals to believe it.
Florida couple chokes on exhaust pipe following Trump advocating ventilators!
An intubation done wrong has a chance of killing you.
I think the NV governor volunteered his state to be the control group. No treatment.