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Page 781 of the bill provides $25 million to the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives to cover "salary and expenses."
This is called a payoff. Pure and simple.
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Step one:
Page 781 of the bill provides $25 million to the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives to cover "salary and expenses."
This is called a payoff. Pure and simple.
Corrupt democrats. They're overpaid as it is, this is just a giant yearly bonus for them. Their bonus here is way more than an entire year's salary for an average American worker. Sickening.
I'm sure it's tax-free too.
DemonRats need to voted out and tried for treason. They have been committing voter fraud for a while. Half of the states in the us don't even require identification to be able to vote.
Disgusting abuse of the working class in this legislation. They simply would not pass a bill to make their mandated shutdown less onerous on the taxpayers and businesses affected. Thanks China. Thanks heartless Dems. Every DAMN line in that bill should have the authors name attached to it! This cannot be allowed to continue.
Agreed. This is fucking bullshit.
Yes, lack of transparency in Congress is the biggest affront to accountability in government which has allowed these swamp creatures to stay in power and leach off the American taxpayer for decades.
And those of us who make over $75K or whatever the limit is get zero...
My understanding was that for every $100 you make over $75k, they take $5 off your “Uncle Gubment’s Virus Fun Time Wacky Bucks TM” check.
I've been saying this from the beginning, you want to stimulate the economy through money back to the taxpayers? Whatever amount you were going to send, remove that much from my income taxes. I get the money, people who don't contribute don't.
Edit- I also realize this is different than usual due to trying to help those who are losing jobs, however I still don't believe it's a good move in the long run. Time will tell.
I may be wrong, but I thought part of this package was going lower or eliminate the payroll tax from our work checks for a while.
Does anyone here know if this is indeed part of the bill?
No, it isn't. At least not from the employee side.
Damn
Wait i remember them saying there would be a freeze on income tax this year?
That was an early idea. I don't think it went anywhere.
Thats what they're doing. If you receive a check, you get a tax credit on your tax return for that amount which means you're not paying any taxes on it.
My understanding of the stim is that it's addressing the cashflow problem. Income tax relief would only help months down the line and require too much "IRS math".
The economy is currently like a manual engine that has its fuel line temporarily blocked. Without a constant fuel feed, the engine stalls and startup will be a bitch.
The best solution to squirt some gas directly into the intake to keep it running for the time it takes to dislodge the blockage.
The income tax solution would be like adding fuel to the tank instead of directly to the engine.
If they want to stimulate the economy, tell the bankers to fuxk off for 4 month. No charging on any loans for 3 months. No interest no late fees no bills
Found the Bernout
Seriously. You'd think we have a bunch of closet commies on here. Everyone so ready to jump on the bandwagon of "muh stimulus isn't big enough". You don't need a fucking stimulus! Tax rates are insane, we should be rioting over that. Not bickering over whether if you make 87k if the "stimulus" is fair. Fucking retards supporting this shit, enabling these people to steal from me. From YOU. From US.
I just got an email from a politician asking me for money for his campaign. LOL I can't believe the balls on this guy. I told him to go fuck himself.
LOL
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Big diff. Trump will eliminate the debt during his second term. Bernie would double it to buy 3 more houses.
china needs to pay
False equivalency.
The government took unilateral action which directly caused individual Americans to lose thousands of dollars each. Now the government is using half its annual budget to give that money back to the people who lost it.
They're doing this to prevent massive unemployment surges and a tidal wave of new people getting onto long-term government programs. This thousand-or-so fun-time-wacky-bucks NOW will save us an order of magnitude more as compared to letting things fall where they fall.
For reasons I don't understand, you're conflating a focused and permanent policy of wealth redistribution with a one-time emergency disaster-relief payout.
Stop it.
One way or another, it will stop. I'm hoping it stops with us getting our income back. No I'm not talking about the retarded fucking stimulus. I'm talking about backing taxes down from 50+% to where they should be 2-3%. Also getting all these millions of faggots off welfare. 40+ million motherfuckers on foodstamps alone. ~80% of the budget is social shit that the gov shouldn't be involved with.
Yep, It's $100k and over that gets nothing.
Which is fan fucking tastic. I work at a hospital with COVID+ patients and make to much for these gimmedats and don't even get hazard pay.
Thank you for your service.
Yep. Many medical professions will make more than this limit. On top of that, we're the ones still working everyday and putting our asses on the line, unlike the rest who sit home all day and then post clever things on twitter to make themselves out as heroes.
Well that’s gotta be some form of racism
Isn’t it 150k for joint/married people?
Well, that's a bummer... Another penalty for working hard, getting married, having kids, doing nothing for years to pay off my student loans early, and now making money. I wish there were those magical tax breaks for higher income earners that everyone talks about...
Seems you have to be Jeff Bezos to get the magical tax breaks. I certainly haven't found any. In fact, now with $10K limit on tax deductions and property tax, I'm slightly worse off.
I think it's based on individual pay, not split income. I could be wrong but it looked to me to be based on the individual tax payer 2018 income. So If each person makes $75k then they both get the full amount. If one makes $200k and the other makes zero, then I think the person on $0 gets the payment. Doesn't seem right, but I haven't seen anything about split income.
Ok, I understood differently, but I guess we will see!
Yes. At least the first version they agreed on.
If you're making over 100K, what is a measly $1200 bucks going to do for you anyway? I don't get it.
Some people live in areas (big cities, NY, SanFran, probably the only 2) where the cost of living is stupid (I don't see it being more than $100k/ year can handle) and also millions of people just learned the importance of terms like "savings account" & "living beyond your means" & "credit cards are for emergencies".
It's a 2T scam that's going to fuck EVERYONE, including those getting a "payout".
Yep. I find myself not wanting it, just going to have to pay it back later.
Saw that too. Do you know if the same limit and/or ramp down applies to child credit?
Figures
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And somehow the fucking House gets a pay increase for actively stopping shit. Whateverrrrr
Oh, that's ok then. As long as it's for the unelected, unaccountable staff positions the Reps hand out to special supporters, family members, and boyfriends it's cool.
Politicians can't be expected to pay for bribes out of their own paycheck in these trying times.
I know I'm getting $0. What should I spend it on?
So if this guy makes $100,000 and has lost his job or has had his hours cut down so that he’s only going to make $50,000 this year just fuck him right? That’s fucked up. Let’s punish him because he has done well for himself and worked hard. And by the way the money that you’re getting comes out of his paycheck.
They're not being punished, they're just not being helped. Very different things.
Although, I disagree with the free money for anyone thing. My wife and I save money in case things like this happen and we're out of a paycheck and such. Her business has been ruined but I'm still working every day and getting paid due to 'essential' pharmaceutical work.
We are being punished. I'm paying for your bribe, dipshit. How about you give me a blowjob instead of more lip. I already paid you for plenty of your time.
Point taken.
Yes if you made 100,000 for multiple years and don’t have a safety net it’s called retardation
I make 60 grand a year. I have ~$50,000 in the bank and own 2 homes. (I am 37) I went to college it’s all paid off. I’m really good with saving money and making smart choices. So I think that everyone who makes as much as me and hasn’t saved money is fucking retarded how about that? It is bullshit to say that one person deserves it and another person doesn’t. It’s fucked up. If I had it my way no one would be getting checks unless they lost their job because of this bullshit.
No one should be getting money, period. If you've lost your job, you qualify for unemployment which you and your employer have paid into.
Can't if I wanted to. I live in New Jersey.
And I spent it paying off our student loans like an idiot.
Can't because all the stupid assholes went out and bought them all...
Best advice.
They mostly pick losers. The swamp loves losers.
thats the limit if you dont file jointly or head of household
Claim it as taxable, hell they'll probably demand the entire 1200 back.
....Nancy, "give them crumbs + $200 and we will take 57k each thank you." /$
You'd think that half the people here were burnouts, huh?
Unfortunately, our political system often feels like a cycle of "wait for them to realize that they screwed up" after the damage has already been done.
Most people will blow this whole check in a day, instead of starting any emergency fund, like they should've had all along.
They wanted that much per chair leg
0.01% of pork is all that's in this bill. It's literally nothing compared to the support this will give to the American people and how this will help restart the economy.
While the all started from a virus I honestly believe trump is looking at this as a opportunity. Trump sees Whuhan Flu ahead, hits clutch (quarentines), down shifts economy( Gets Americans to want manufacturing back from China), hit the gas (this bill), pop the clutch (open on Easter) and do a hole shot getting us up to 5% GDP
👆🏻
Plus the border is closed. Trump hits 2 retrospective grandslams with the wall and America First
GEOTUS has No Brakes!
WE JUST CAN'T STOP WINNING, FOLKS! THE TRUMP TRAIN JUST GOT 10 BILLION MPH FASTER!
CURRENT SPEED: 356,529,385,117,000 MPH!
At that rate, it would take approximately 4.707 years to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy (2.5 million light-years)!
Well put. I especially like the down shift analogy.
Agreed. If we had anyone else at the helm, I'd be worried. I'm confident that Trump knows what he's doing. He's proven himself to be a great leader, especially re: economics.
We'll be fine. China is fucked.
Where's the text of the bill?
These people are criminals nothing changed.
Giving themselves a fucking pay raise?
Entitled wealthy people are crying in their boots that their stocks went down and think they are owed restitution.
It all depends on where you live. How do people not understand this? $100k in parts of Texas is really good money...upper middle class. $100k in British Colombia (Canada) or San Francisco and you are sharing a studio apartment with 2 other people and going hungry a couple days a week. Without context, saying $100k means you are wealthy is just as stupid as saying $100k means you are poor. The same job can pay VERY differently depending on the cost-of-living of your city/state. I've met taxi drivers in New York who make $200k a year and are still "poor" because of the fees they have to pay for their licenses and union checks and rent on their tiny house an hour away that they've been saving up for for 15 years. Just suggesting that a certain dollar amount means anything (without context) is a sign if total ignorance around the subject.
The person who blows through 200k and the person who blows through 50k end up with the same amount of wealth. Took me a while to figure that out, too, but if you're going to blow it all may as well do it in your 20s when it's fun.
Hardly enough to pay YOUR bills. That would pay the bills of people in my area for four years at least.
Depends on where you live. 6 figures is great in my area.
Hey grandpa reading comprehension!! Stop having a conversation with yourself.
It's a one time pay but hilarious. It's amazing the 4D chess. Trump will win for sure if we don't get complacent.
If that's all they got and some few pennies for refugees then this is totally a win. This is the leanest emergency relief build by far that I have ever seen.
I do see a lot of shills out there that are complaining about the 0.01% in pork that I've been able to find. But if this can restart the economy and possibly get us to 5% GDP when manufacturing comes back from China that makes the deficit totally unimportant and able to be bait paid back relatively quickly. But as any business men will tell you you want to have a fair amount of debt and compared to the rest of the world America's rather debt free. The numbers may seem large but as compared to percentages of production its meaningless.
Yes the democrats are getting a little pocket cash but if that keeps them from putting billions and billions to try and change the country them I'm good with it. I am going to push for him to charge China for this bill since they screwed up the whole response and lied
You obviously didn't understand my text. People now want manufacturing back from China, And it's already starting to move back even in these times. Moving manufacturing takes time so won't happen immediately but the effort of building and preparing for manufacturing to move back will cause a huge bump in GDP.
Then we sent China the bill, Take it off R tabs or better yet but just tear up the whole tabs
Especially manufacturing of drugs and medical supplies
Good for economy AND national security
Lol people aren't looking at the bigger picture.
If i were President Trump i'd point all of the pork out. I know it won't stop him signing it (i wish he wouldn't, though) but these snakes need to be called out.
Well, he can’t call out the pork and then sign it. I’d rather he just destroy the SOBs in some other way. President Trump is no dummy.
Well...it's his nature. He asked for $$ to help the people of America and they basically said "No!". He had to negotiate through the surrogates of the Senate Repulicans, so didn't really get the deal HE would have achieved. So, now, he will be working on making it a WIN regardless of their squeeze.
CALM DOWN. This isn't that much money, even for Congressional salaries. Consider:
The base salary for a member of Congress is $174,000 per year.
There are 435 members of Congress.
$174,000 times 435 is $75.6 million.
So Congress has over $75 million in "salary and expenses," per year, for just the members of the House of Representatives. No benefits. No staff. No office expenses. No electricity. No janitors. Just base pay for the people elected.
It's undeniable that the coronavirus has caused expenses for Congress to go up. Buildings are being cleaned more (requires more staff and materials), they probably purchased a bunch of PPE and medical supplies (at above market-rate prices), and temporary staff are needed to cover for people home sick (whether actually sick or just psychosomatic).
An extra $25 million to cover those expenses is totally reasonable. A bargain, in fact.
If that's all it took to buy their votes, it's a great price!
Considering they explicitly state in the bill that none of it will go to Trump's businesses and yet they make sure they themselves get paid, it's disgusting. So Trump's hotel employees and businesses aren't allowed to be paid but congress is. Rules for thee, not for me.
That was an easy condition for Trump to accept. His balance sheet is beautiful, he's very under-leveraged, and the Trump companies can get financing from the big banks.
But the condition also applies to the families of members of Congress. Scumbags like Hunter Biden. That going to hurt them.
Trump wins. Again.
Did you even read the bill? The exact same provision says the President (and his family) and members of congress (and their families):
Seems reasonable. I'd buy it, but the fact that I have witnessed Dems try to screw over Trump and the American people over and over again these past few years is all the evidence I need to know their intentions are deceitful. That money will be squandered.
Go away Nancy
Profiting off a crisis.
Fantastic...
Didn't AG Barr say they would be kicking doors in for that?
Serious Question : Where did you find the full text of the bill they passed last night. It isn't on Congress.gov yet that I can see...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/748
They stuffed everything into a bill with the original purpose of repealing excise taxes for so-called 'Cadillac health plans,' or in other words, money for the already-rich. Notice that is H.R. 748 - House Resolution 748. Look at the amendments to get at the 'riders.'
That's not the final CARE act passed last night.
The vote was to amend and pass the bill linked.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_116_2.htm
Yes it's Senate amendment 1578 to HR 748, but if you click the S.Amdt 1578 link the Text isn't posted yet.
All the "Final" links I've seen are from NPR, Fox, USA Today etc... and I don't trust those fuckers at all. I guess I will have to keep checking this morning as it passed late.
We have to pass the bill to see what is in the bill!
Sounds like
MALARKEY
The Government has saved us again! Yay! (cough cough)
I've been saying it for years now- VOTE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CLOWNS OUT OF OFFICE. D or R doesn't matter one damn bit. Until we send these fuckers packing, this is not going to change. The God Emperor can only do so much. We are ultimately responsible for this.
Not crazy about this either but "salaries and expenses" could in theory be to cover staff salaries, overtime, extra travel, etc related to this pandemic. And it absolutely pales in comparison to Porkzilla that Pelosi tried to ram through a few days ago. Most importantly the ballot harvesting bullshit has been removed.
My guess is the dems saw the writing on the wall and realized they didn't want to die on the hill of windmill subsidies, etc.
That’s politics. It’s good work if you can get it. You could stand on principle and never get anything done, or you can take the best deal you can realistically get and accept that there will sometimes be trade offs. It sucks, but in the words of Dr. Malcolm: “there it is.”
Beware fake news. The spend plan has to be approved by the House, but this is NOT for congressional salaries. It's for salaries toward people aiding against the virus.
You ever see Pelosi's bar bill when she travels? This isn't nearly enough.
We got off cheap!
There's so much useless pork in this bill that it's no surprise it passed 96-0.
Is this real? Dang that's insane
Yep. Search for "refugee", "kennedy", "sunscreen", "house of representatives salaries" and what not and you will be shocked as the stuff in there. Millions of dollars to each.
However, it's not as bad as the shit Pelosi had over the weekend.
Oh god damn it! Why should we give those miserable little shits a single penny after all the shit they’ve done? Ridiculous bullshit!
There can be no denying this simple fact: It looks like we are the ones now working for them. They are writing themselves checks out of the people's check account while the people are the ones suffering from what THEY have done (or not done). It's OUR fucking money for Christ's sake. They have gone full Marie Antoinette on us ("Let them eat cake!"). They are the damn pandemic in our country. They need to be sprayed with a tankful of "get the hell out" bleach.
If I were Trump I'd hold a 2 hour press conference and read out all the pork in the bill. Then I'd say I want to drain the swamp, I don't want to sign this bill, but not at the cost of your lives. I am fighting for you, but now is not the time to fight.
There is a ton of shit in this bill that sucks.
Rumor: The bill has provisions for illegals.
Tbh if people would take the time to look through all "relief fund packages" from bailouts to funds for third world countries. You will see shit loads of this.
This is where their children come into it. The same was happening in Ukraine as an example.
It better be the last supper for them before the executioner.
Considering they explicitly state in the bill that none of it will go to Trump's businesses and yet they make sure they themselves get paid, it's disgusting. So Trump's hotel employees and businesses aren't allowed to be paid but congress is. Rules for thee, not for me.
That's the DNC!
Virus killed as my blood is boiling.
I better hear the msm talking about this. Tucker ?
Money laundering. From our pockets to dems pockets.
Trump should have vetoed. Veto is, it appears, the only check on a completely lawless and out of control Congress.
"I am in the wrong part of Congress"
lol no refunds commie
The cure is so much worse than the disease. Resources are finite, but politicians have to pretend each life is priceless. Tanking the economy for 1% to live is the kind of nightmare choice that keeps me out of politics.
And the largest problem. Trump can’t veto something the senate passed 96-0.
Read the bill. Really isn't much pork in there beyond keeping federal institutions afloat. 350$MM for refugees is the worst of it. 25$MM for congress is par for the course and isn't an absurd amount. They always vote themselves a piggy bank for their own press tours about how they saved America and that's all that is.
Huge chunk of the money is going to housing programs. Feel like the amounts are unprecedented.
8 billion for tribal governments feels high, especially with another billion or so set aside for them throughout the rest. Not sure what they typically get compared to DC/territories that got 3 billion.
Any company owned by a member/spouse gets screwed out of all the benefits. Their 'anti-Trump corruption' bill.. but I'm confused because this appears to harm more of their house members than anyone else. Whatever, anti-corruption legislation with some teeth is fine.
The most important part of the bill is all the small-business stuff. Events like this kill off the weak and are big-corps favorite thing. Need to protect small-businesses as they make America. Made in America is going to be king on the other end of this and we don't want conglomerates actually making it all in Mexico and stealing the rebound.
What else is in the bill? There a link or list like last time
Single $75k and above, they will take $5/every $100 i think
Married $150k and above +$500 per child credit
Term limits need to be a focus going Q1 2021.
What's going on with this, anyway? Is the house voting on it anytime soon?
Im going to have to agree with Jimmy on this bill for once. This all smell like shit, and another 2008 bailout that is going to continue to strengthen the empowerment of corps by eating up all the small businesses in the end. What are your thoughts? I kinda want Trump to veto this trash now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXPjNLIJ3W4
New tax credit based on 2020 taxable income.
Amounts are $1,200 for individual, $2,400 per couple and $500 per dependent.
Income limits are $75,000 for individuals, $112,500 for head of household, and $150,000 for joint returns before a phase out begins. You are completely phased out ($0 credit) at around $99,000 for an individual. Since this is based on adjusted gross income for 2020, your tax planning should start now. If you are right around the cusp of $75-$100k (individual) you may want to consider putting more money into your 401k this year to reduce your tax income and make sure you get more benefit from the credit.
You will receive an advance on your 2020 tax credit based on your 2019 tax income as an estimate for your 2020 tax year. If you haven’t filed 2019 taxes yet you may use your 2018 tax year. If you don’t have either, social security benefits records can be used. No interest will be charged if they overpay you with your advanced payment.
"Ballot Harvesting has been removed."
Really that's pretty much all I care about. All the other attempted shenanigans pales in comparison to this.
They kept some provisions that I really don't like in there...businesses need it though. I really resent the Democrats putting their political bullshit before saving the economy. If they try to pull any other shit I hope McConnell smacks it down and reminds them what they did here.
I’ve been off of The Donald for a few days. What’s the source? I want to read their “stimulus package” for myself.
27th Amendment violation?
Complicated business
Where's the actual bill? I can't help but think we're getting fucked over on this.
Classic example of the lack of spine republicans have. I guess we just give the children the candy after they have a temper tantrum.
What the hell can we do about this? $25 million? Are you kidding me?!