People are being too sloppy about the language in the article. It says "returned false results up to 80% of the time." Not INCORRECT results, but rather false results. If it is supposed to detect antibodies, false presumably means it thinks there are no antibodies. I'm guessing that what they are saying (they are not being very precise) is that 80% of the time when there are antibodies the kits say there aren't. They are not, I'm guessing, saying that when there are no antibodies the kit is claiming there are antibodies (if they were doing that at an 80% rate, you would be right).
In summary, if 10% of patients have the antibodies, I think they are saying the kit claims only 2% of the patients have the antibodies (the kits are missing the other 8%, so giving false 80% of the time when they should be giving true).
This is not true. Our test has 3 RNA tests, one is general and two are specific to SARS-COV-19, the virus that causes COVID-19. Dr. Brice covered that in one of her briefings.
Influenza is not a Coronavirus. They're not even in the same phylum. Influenza might be causing false positives on these tests, but it's not because it's a Coronavirus.
This is such complete and utter bulshit and shows you have absolutely and completely no understanding of how these tests work..
the WHO test tests for a very specific sequence of RNA that is only found in this virus. The American test test for two different sequences separate from the one who is using..
I’d say it’s misleading, cause the title makes it seems like there’s LOADS of people who have it but the test says they don’t have it, and loads of people who don’t have it but the test says they do.
If what the other guy said is right, I didn’t read the article.
But the tests that China sent to Czechoslovakia are useless because they are wrong 80% of the time, yielding both false positive and false negative results. The tests would be useful if they correctly showed the presence or absence of antibodies, but they don't.
The once already happened in my eyes. This "Op" of theirs and how it collapsed the economy, leading a renewed leftist charge for socialism and open borders has clinched it for me.
The Cold War 2 needs to be recognized for what it is. China and the E.U. versus the United States of America.
Yeah, I am increasingly convinced that tomorrow's hidden war (read: today's) is not one of footsoldiers and landgrabs, but of financial economies. Through sanctions and trade deals imposed by a World Bank/etal, the fight for zeroes is really a fight for a place at the table, for the chance to NOT be relegated to the throwbacks of obscurity.
And this war for dollars and cents is fraught with the same spies and traitors as any other warfront. Rather than being cloistered among the top echelons of our military infrastructure, they are instead embedded within the highest reaches of our policy making bodies (ie House and Senate, for starters).
We need to wise up and wise up fast to what's really going on and to what's really at stake here.
It is why they loathe Trump and hate us that support him and us as a sovereign nation.
Obama and his cronies were bleeding us dry to win this economic war for our enemies. They were counting on Hillary continuing where he left off and going exponentially further with the Paris Accord and other climate change thefts of our nation's treasure.
Trump realized that we were losing a real war and put a stop to it... booming our economy and tanking China and the E.U.
Their only choice was to either accept this new reality where the United States goes back to acting in the interest of it's own people, keeping America First or waging asymmetric economic war.
The Chinese Virus... is an economic "thermonuclear" weapon.
I'd say that well over half of the people in the world would agree.
Fucking hilarious and true. The next person that tells me we need to trade with China to have cheap goods is getting pimp slapped. China has zero respect for the USA. They may as well just be pissing on us.
I'm convinced the whole "China is cheaper" thing is a lie anyway. These people go on and on about how we need to cut costs but you never see these motherfuckers build HQs outside of anywhere but the most expensive cities on Earth and good luck finding a single advertising campaign that cost less than 8 figures. I guarantee you if it were ever legitimately cheaper to manufacture in the US, and it will be the moment China breaks out into another one of its scheduled civil wars, they won't even attempt to bother.
Outsourcing was never about costs. It was about taking power from the people.
It was about supply line stability. A friend manufactures widgets that require some electronics. His story: If he has the electronics made in the USA, there are something like twenty different suppliers involved. A strike at any one of the suppliers, or by any transport moving parts from supplier A to sub-assembler B throws off his whole process. He can lose tens of thousands because some union, somewhere decides they want another $.25 an hour. When he sends the job to china, he gets back the completed electronics when they said he'd get them. No strikes, no delays. He has to trash about 3% for quality issues, but that doesn't matter, because he gets them when he needs them.
EDIT: It is also about exporting pollution, but that's a different rant.
Evil Communist fucks vs Incompetent Communist fucks. Whether these dumb fucks released this virus on purpose or by accident they DEFINITELY covered it up for months and made sure it spread beyond their borders.
If Trump doesn't move to make it a matter of national security to have pharmaceutical production based in the US or even at the least made in India (a far far better friend than chy-na) then this will happen again.
You are thinking of Japan... they go through great personal discomfort to protect their honor. It is why they suicide rather than hide the truth about failures.
The Chinese lie and deceive 24/7 as a way of life... how they get ahead of the next person or past an obstacle... for their own personal/family gain.
The Japanese work together as a nation, the Chinese are a horde of individualists/families.
The Chinese are more like the Mafia... than anything else.
Same with their Engineers. Ask the Big Three there in their incredibly wealthy suburbs, why they have brought so many Chinese into Detroit, designing our cars and trucks.
Whenever I have been in that town and the subject is brought up the white collar execs run and hide while the blue collar guys fume and rage about it being so.
They tried to make the mortality rate smaller by reporting deaths as something other than the virus...old age, or something else. This false test information does not mean they didn't have a high mortality rate.
How many of our dear leaders, who were also on the Hill during 9/11, do you think have been well aware of this shit well before hand, too? Look how they’re all behaving over this stimulus bill. They all honestly believe Americans are unable to survive without them. They bargain putting each of us into further debt as a “bipartisan” accomplishment. I’m not going to fucking thank a damn one of them for not doing their damn job & dicking us around with these money sucking distractions. They know as well as all of us do that we’re being hijacked. This virus has conspiracy written all over it. We’re allowinf then to lock us up at home, drain our savings, screw up our kids schooling, etc. & they’re up there arguing over $25 million House pay raises, $300 million for a NY arts center, & even more funding to “refugees”. We have drain the swamp; & at this point, it’s all swamp.
I seem to recall someone on a tech news site commenting that they wanted China to send kits to the U.S. because we have a third world healthcare system.
Of course if that person does stumble upon this story, I expect them to just double down and say this story is right-wing propaganda.
Well, I guess this explains why there are no new Chinese cases...
Doctor: "Congratulations, comrade, your test is negative."
Patient: hack "Are you..." wheeze "...sure...?" starts turning blue
Party official (in Hazmat gear): "You doubt the great technology of the glorious People's Republic? Take this dissident away! (And weld him into his hovel for a week or two.)"
I can't believe they are that incompetent...they want to make it look more like a disaster than it is to close down the world economy and make them more dependent upon china.
Wrong. They tried to make it seem LARGER by intentionally leaving out asymptomatic cases from the denominator, and the vast majority of those with the Chinese WuFlu Virus are mild or asymptomatic.
For God's sake they won't test unless you jump through a trillion hoops.
Basically unless you're going to the ICU for it they test and of course, if you sample the death rate in hospice care your numbers are trash.
When comparing to the flu mortality rate, they estimate for untested cases, with KungFlu they only use hard cases that are obviously severe because that's who's getting the test.
80% false-positive results are typical of these tests.
"Results: When the infection rate of the close contacts and the sensitivity and specificity of reported results were taken as the point estimates, the positive predictive value of the active screening was only 19.67%, in contrast, the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%."
It's a shame they only give false results 80% of the time, because if they gave the wrong result 100% of the time you could use them knowing the actual result is the opposite of the apparent result.
China's double and triple dipping in this whole fiasco, playing the world like a fiddle. And by fiddle I mean a bottom-bitch that's sold itself into slavery for those juicy loan/bond dollars. That false song of globalism crooning at full volume.
So this is one if their better products then?
This is fake news actually. This is a corona-virus antibody test, not a corona-virus test
The test is not supposed to detect corona-virus
The test is supposed to show how many people have had, and recovered from the virus without medical intervention. And it's wrong 80% of the time.
The article simply refers to them as test kits.
That's not fake news, your just twisting it it like a politico article.
Tough to be wrong that often on a yes/no question.
Reaaallly tough.
It's not even possible. If it actually is 80% wrong you can just invert the result and then it is 80% right.
People are being too sloppy about the language in the article. It says "returned false results up to 80% of the time." Not INCORRECT results, but rather false results. If it is supposed to detect antibodies, false presumably means it thinks there are no antibodies. I'm guessing that what they are saying (they are not being very precise) is that 80% of the time when there are antibodies the kits say there aren't. They are not, I'm guessing, saying that when there are no antibodies the kit is claiming there are antibodies (if they were doing that at an 80% rate, you would be right).
In summary, if 10% of patients have the antibodies, I think they are saying the kit claims only 2% of the patients have the antibodies (the kits are missing the other 8%, so giving false 80% of the time when they should be giving true).
So basically a coin flip is more precise, cheaper and can be reused endlessly. Fuck you china.
They no longer deserve a capital C.
We have to circle our C’s and even then they disregard them.
This is not true. Our test has 3 RNA tests, one is general and two are specific to SARS-COV-19, the virus that causes COVID-19. Dr. Brice covered that in one of her briefings.
Influenza is not a Coronavirus. They're not even in the same phylum. Influenza might be causing false positives on these tests, but it's not because it's a Coronavirus.
He's full of shit. Disregard
This is such complete and utter bulshit and shows you have absolutely and completely no understanding of how these tests work..
the WHO test tests for a very specific sequence of RNA that is only found in this virus. The American test test for two different sequences separate from the one who is using..
Quit yer bullshitting
Which part is fake? The fact that China made them? Or the fact that they are wrong more often than right?
I’d say it’s misleading, cause the title makes it seems like there’s LOADS of people who have it but the test says they don’t have it, and loads of people who don’t have it but the test says they do.
If what the other guy said is right, I didn’t read the article.
Did someone say annals? -Don Lemon.
[Andrew Gillum wants to know your exact location]
But the tests that China sent to Czechoslovakia are useless because they are wrong 80% of the time, yielding both false positive and false negative results. The tests would be useful if they correctly showed the presence or absence of antibodies, but they don't.
its made in china, is anyone surprised??
wonder what the left would say about this...
Beat me to it !
This goes along with what german doctors have been saying. They’ve created a false panic with their flawed test kits.
Explains why the media is constantly pushing the "more test kits!" narrative.
And it'll be countered by our superior kits.
MOAR TESTING!!! Is the primary fake news talking point right now.
The administration is right, asymptomatic people should not get tested.
Not only is it totally unrealistic to test everyone, a negative test ENCOURAGES people to do the things that will get them infected!!!
Fake - News!!!
This may also be relevant to the claim. Potential False-Positive Rate Among the 'Asymptomatic Infected Individuals'
That's all it takes to shutter the US economy?
Glad they could have an experimental "test run" while we foot the $2T bill and wrestle with the practical fallout for the foreseeable future.
Too easy, right?
Fool us once... shame on us. If China tries to pull this again it will be their day of reckoning. B-2's over Beijing... reckoning.
I hear you, pede!
The grim reality, however, is that all it may take is "once". In the future, we may not get the benefit of a second-chance with hindsight.
The once already happened in my eyes. This "Op" of theirs and how it collapsed the economy, leading a renewed leftist charge for socialism and open borders has clinched it for me.
The Cold War 2 needs to be recognized for what it is. China and the E.U. versus the United States of America.
Well said, even for a blonde barbie ;p
Yeah, I am increasingly convinced that tomorrow's hidden war (read: today's) is not one of footsoldiers and landgrabs, but of financial economies. Through sanctions and trade deals imposed by a World Bank/etal, the fight for zeroes is really a fight for a place at the table, for the chance to NOT be relegated to the throwbacks of obscurity.
And this war for dollars and cents is fraught with the same spies and traitors as any other warfront. Rather than being cloistered among the top echelons of our military infrastructure, they are instead embedded within the highest reaches of our policy making bodies (ie House and Senate, for starters).
We need to wise up and wise up fast to what's really going on and to what's really at stake here.
It is why they loathe Trump and hate us that support him and us as a sovereign nation.
Obama and his cronies were bleeding us dry to win this economic war for our enemies. They were counting on Hillary continuing where he left off and going exponentially further with the Paris Accord and other climate change thefts of our nation's treasure.
Trump realized that we were losing a real war and put a stop to it... booming our economy and tanking China and the E.U.
Their only choice was to either accept this new reality where the United States goes back to acting in the interest of it's own people, keeping America First or waging asymmetric economic war.
The Chinese Virus... is an economic "thermonuclear" weapon.
I'd say that well over half of the people in the world would agree.
Test run? This is prime time!
I was alluding to the fact that the next bio-terror attack could be MUCH worse than a seasonal flu blip.
If this created this level of disarray and infighting? Just imagine what it would be like if akachuatl tens and tens of thousands were dying?
They also were reporting virus deaths as something else... often. Their data is just flawed all over the place.
History has shown us that the only thing China is reliably proficient at making is diseases. They are unsurpassed at this.
and a really, really big wall
Some would call it a perfect wall.
...that didn't really work either. The Mongols passed right through it.
number 1 mass murderers too
Can you imagine how many Chinese there would be now if they hadn't murdered millions?
Less, believe it or not. If there's one thing that get people breeding like rats it's a mass dying off of the population.
Fucking hilarious and true. The next person that tells me we need to trade with China to have cheap goods is getting pimp slapped. China has zero respect for the USA. They may as well just be pissing on us.
I'm convinced the whole "China is cheaper" thing is a lie anyway. These people go on and on about how we need to cut costs but you never see these motherfuckers build HQs outside of anywhere but the most expensive cities on Earth and good luck finding a single advertising campaign that cost less than 8 figures. I guarantee you if it were ever legitimately cheaper to manufacture in the US, and it will be the moment China breaks out into another one of its scheduled civil wars, they won't even attempt to bother.
Outsourcing was never about costs. It was about taking power from the people.
It was about supply line stability. A friend manufactures widgets that require some electronics. His story: If he has the electronics made in the USA, there are something like twenty different suppliers involved. A strike at any one of the suppliers, or by any transport moving parts from supplier A to sub-assembler B throws off his whole process. He can lose tens of thousands because some union, somewhere decides they want another $.25 an hour. When he sends the job to china, he gets back the completed electronics when they said he'd get them. No strikes, no delays. He has to trash about 3% for quality issues, but that doesn't matter, because he gets them when he needs them.
EDIT: It is also about exporting pollution, but that's a different rant.
Yup. At some point we need to realize the left just prefers China.
except those 13% that kill people.
Bio warfare
Trump needs to make the perpetrators pay to discourage future attacks.
Asymmetrical Economic Warfare.
You can bet there is a playbook for this scenario at the War College in D.C.
Any retired General Officers willing to give us a nod that they have a plan?
80% of everything made in CHYNA doesn’t work
Taking bets on this being done intentionally.
Evil Communist fucks vs Incompetent Communist fucks. Whether these dumb fucks released this virus on purpose or by accident they DEFINITELY covered it up for months and made sure it spread beyond their borders.
Real talk.
If Trump doesn't move to make it a matter of national security to have pharmaceutical production based in the US or even at the least made in India (a far far better friend than chy-na) then this will happen again.
CHINA IS A HOSTILE NATION. TREAT IT AS SUCH.
☝🏻
Them not working could be intentional, they want to downplay this because there will be heavy implications to china after this is over.
You are thinking of Japan... they go through great personal discomfort to protect their honor. It is why they suicide rather than hide the truth about failures.
The Chinese lie and deceive 24/7 as a way of life... how they get ahead of the next person or past an obstacle... for their own personal/family gain.
The Japanese work together as a nation, the Chinese are a horde of individualists/families.
The Chinese are more like the Mafia... than anything else.
Murderous thieves.
Same with their Engineers. Ask the Big Three there in their incredibly wealthy suburbs, why they have brought so many Chinese into Detroit, designing our cars and trucks.
Whenever I have been in that town and the subject is brought up the white collar execs run and hide while the blue collar guys fume and rage about it being so.
Big Three products are very, very Chinese.
No shit.
mUh 17% mOrTAliTy RatE
They tried to make the mortality rate smaller by reporting deaths as something other than the virus...old age, or something else. This false test information does not mean they didn't have a high mortality rate.
If our tests have even a 5% false positive rate, you’re literally creating a 5k increase in cases for every 100k people tested, out of thin air
These are false negatives so it’s even worse.
How many of our dear leaders, who were also on the Hill during 9/11, do you think have been well aware of this shit well before hand, too? Look how they’re all behaving over this stimulus bill. They all honestly believe Americans are unable to survive without them. They bargain putting each of us into further debt as a “bipartisan” accomplishment. I’m not going to fucking thank a damn one of them for not doing their damn job & dicking us around with these money sucking distractions. They know as well as all of us do that we’re being hijacked. This virus has conspiracy written all over it. We’re allowinf then to lock us up at home, drain our savings, screw up our kids schooling, etc. & they’re up there arguing over $25 million House pay raises, $300 million for a NY arts center, & even more funding to “refugees”. We have drain the swamp; & at this point, it’s all swamp.
Calm down. You were asked to stay home for a couple weeks to help prevent the spread of a virus. Sheesh, stop being so melodramatic.
Not a conspiracy, but is way over hyped.
People are being arrested for having more than 10 people at their house. Stop being so cucked.
Everything made in China is dogshit
Remember when CNN did an article praising China for saving the world when they sent these test kits? I do. CNN is CCP.
I am shocked.
Shocked and astonished.
D:
“Trust not China; China is Hoe of Ass”
Are the tests giving false positives or false negatives? I tried to find in the article, but maybe I missed it....
I seem to recall someone on a tech news site commenting that they wanted China to send kits to the U.S. because we have a third world healthcare system.
Of course if that person does stumble upon this story, I expect them to just double down and say this story is right-wing propaganda.
Gomer Pyle: Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Why would they are from China?
Boycott China.
Agree...
Well, I guess this explains why there are no new Chinese cases...
Doctor: "Congratulations, comrade, your test is negative."
Patient: hack "Are you..." wheeze "...sure...?" starts turning blue
Party official (in Hazmat gear): "You doubt the great technology of the glorious People's Republic? Take this dissident away! (And weld him into his hovel for a week or two.)"
News flash - 80% of most things made in China don't work.
Pretty sure anything comming out of china is tainted with the CCP virus.. China is secretly putting that BIOWEAPON in the testing supply
Pay no attention to that....everything is under control in China and the CCP never lies.....
80% of everything designed in china doesn't work.
I can't believe they are that incompetent...they want to make it look more like a disaster than it is to close down the world economy and make them more dependent upon china.
Wrong. They tried to make it seem LARGER by intentionally leaving out asymptomatic cases from the denominator, and the vast majority of those with the Chinese WuFlu Virus are mild or asymptomatic.
For God's sake they won't test unless you jump through a trillion hoops.
Basically unless you're going to the ICU for it they test and of course, if you sample the death rate in hospice care your numbers are trash.
When comparing to the flu mortality rate, they estimate for untested cases, with KungFlu they only use hard cases that are obviously severe because that's who's getting the test.
It's a placebo so you don't worry while dying of COVID-19. Quite a peaceful way to go.
Donard Trump don't trust China!
80% false-positive results are typical of these tests.
"Results: When the infection rate of the close contacts and the sensitivity and specificity of reported results were taken as the point estimates, the positive predictive value of the active screening was only 19.67%, in contrast, the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32133832?fbclid=IwAR3KtTRFTp9eb0aA-8ThVONEMGeGhecOnjMJtIblbClp8ufahx71HOFSWdg
Lol, that's "Made in China" for ya.
Its about the same ratio as the chinese shit you buy on ebay.
ONLY BUY AMERICAN why would we put AMERICAN lives in their hands? chicoms want us dead. I hope we did not buy their garbage.
So China, if you're seeking to virtue signal, lie and change the narrative, perhaps a couple of lessons on how to do so are in order.
The Anti-America Democrats and MSM can sure help you there!
It's a shame they only give false results 80% of the time, because if they gave the wrong result 100% of the time you could use them knowing the actual result is the opposite of the apparent result.
Oh well.
China sent us faulty medical equipment.... Shocker.
Just some more low quality shit from China.
china has buildings just collapse and windows fall from skyscrapers all the time, they do a terrible job at making things...
"We provide the sickness."
"We provide the test kits."
China's double and triple dipping in this whole fiasco, playing the world like a fiddle. And by fiddle I mean a bottom-bitch that's sold itself into slavery for those juicy loan/bond dollars. That false song of globalism crooning at full volume.
Why on earth is anyone still keep China propped up by buying ANYTHING from them?
Bad headline op
This is 100% false.