maybe they disabled them to prevent them from sharing shit on social media... doesn't mean they are dead. if they wanted to hide the # of bodies why would they do something obvious like delete their accounts?
I'm suspicious this is the correct answer. It's either censorship or it's due to any combination of other externalities.
Possibilities I've seen mentioned:
These may have been work-related accounts. The factories are coming online, but there's no one working. The factory owners are allegedly powering them up to make it look good for the Communist party officials but no one's operating them. As punishment, the cell phone accounts were disabled.
China is switching from 4G to 5G, and I've seen claims this provider doesn't yet offer 5G services. Would 21 million people jump ship? Seems unlikely.
Economic disruption or whatever else may be causing issues for people maintaining these accounts. This seems the most likely possibility given POTUS' trade war, tariffs, and impact from SARS-CoV-2 and swine flu, avian flu, plus whatever bazillion other things are hitting their economy right now.
I've seen at least one claim that there are fires raging across parts of China that could be disrupting cell services for some companies. Seems unlikely consumers would change providers en masse that quickly, but I don't understand what the Chinese cultural underpinnings would be for this.
I don't think it's 21 million dead. That'd be hard to cover up. However, it's an interesting data point and somewhat concerning. What's really going on over in China?
Everyone that’s ever worked with China would agree. They lie about everything. The longer you work with them, the more they become open to lying even more. In manufacturing and all business, they just make shit up all the time. It’s even common out there for people to use toxic paint when repainting a living space for a new tenant, so common that they have testing kits available at every convenience store.
If China’s going to lie and asshoe around about things like that, why would they ever tell the truth during a global hysterical crisis like this for which they were the source? I still blame the media more than them, but all this shit’s always from China. Fuck them for trying to make up a story that our troops brought it to them.
This is the country that lies about the ages of their Olympic gymnasts without blinking twice. If they're willing to lie about shit that trivial who would trust anything they have to say about numbers that will effect their whole economy?
India especially. I know many Indian people very well and there is NO CHANCE their numbers are to be believed. They NEVER stay home or take precautions or even admit when they’re sick. It’s a cultural thing.
Nobody does, but one question does remain. Did they just stop testing, or are they testing and hiding the numbers? Personally I'm going with door number 2.
Not that they ever reported honestly anyway. When did they account for people welded into their apartments? When did they account for people dying via trying to climb down their apartment buildings after being welded in and left to die?
When did they account for people who died in their 'hospitals' that were built in weeks and collapsed? When did they disclose that these 'hospitals' included no means of treatment, and were just isolation wards intended for the sick to die? When did they disclose the number of dead bodies they incinerated?
"President Trump do not trust China. China is asshoe!"
Interestingly, this seems like hubris on part of the Chinese.
The test kits that are failing at that rate aren't detecting viral RNA so much as they're antibody tests. I think China wanted to appear at the forefront of medical research by demonstrating they could beat everyone else to shipping these types of tests but sort of forgot the bit about actually making sure they did what it said on the package.
You can not trust a single thing that comes out of China. They almost certainly released this on purpose. Why would they tell the truth now? It's a silent war. Deception is the key to warfare.
Except we do have successful treatments which are working in place of a cure. We also know that China took a treatment from Japan that was showing success and has been mass producing it.
The Chinese do not trust as Christians do and thus they do not comprehend profound cost of betraying Trust. They also do not understand conflict the way we do they have no concept of crossing the Rubicon..
Whether or not a few assholes did or didn't bust on her is almost inconsequential, the entire drugging, kidnapping is what enabled the Schrödingers nut to happen.
Did the stimulus bill that passed still have that shit in it where poll workers could bring votes in and drop them off? If yes then I think the dems finally won. Illegal votes through the roof...
China says if we do anything they will stop ALL antibiotic shipments. I say "go for it, Winnie the g...." bring the pain, remind everyone why you should be hated and why the criminal globalists in Congress should be arrested for allowing critical manufacturing to be done in China.
I have a friend in Seattle who has major TDS. He is almost conservative but his hatred for Trump blinds him into stupidity.
He cannot continue any conversation that points blame at China or points out that they lied for months. He just writes them off as right wing talking points. Its super irritating but maybe one day I'll get his light bulb turned on. It just bothers the fuck out of me how they treat a difference in opinion as shocking and insulting. They come off as major pusses.
I don't understand how people don't get "observational bias."
OH MY GOD WE HAVE MORE CASES!
No we don't, and we never will... China will have at least 4 times the number of cases that we have here--and that's because they're 4 times the size of our population. (Plus, their public sanitation is pretty poor compared to ours, they live in a lot closer proximity than us, etc.)
We also have a better TESTING rate. The fact that we have better testing, sanitation, record keeping, etc. here means that we'll be able to better record cases than other countries, we'll know about more cases, and therefore be able to deal with more cases.
Just think about how many deaths in China were Chinese Flu related in November and December that we'll probably never know about.
As a corollary:
OMG A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE DYING IN THE US!
No, they're not--we also have better tracking capabilities to go with those testing capabilities. The people that died here have a much higher likelihood to actually be getting help.
Is it a virus? Yeah. Is it like the flu? Yeah. Will we EVER know how many cases we have? Nope. Is it worth even HALF of this reaction to it? Not even close.
But, regardless, we're still doing significant damage to our economy. Ultimately, this is all bullshit, and I can't believe how the dems used this pork-filled bill to line their own pockets--and to take away our rights en masse.
It is insane how people seem to be ignoring population numbers when talking about this thing. Muh Italy, 60m people...of course we have more cases than them. When you look at per million population(which is right there on worldometer) we are pretty much lower than every other developed nation aside from the UK and South Korea. Naturally they sort by total number though
China kicked out American media right as they opened their country back up. Its so blistering obvious that they know this will contribute to further spread, yet they do it anyway because they have been hurting economically and they need to get people back to work.
Hopefully we'll get meaningful data from S. Korea, Singapore, Japan and Taiwan. All these Countries are ahead of us on the timeline, and we can learn about going back to work responsibly from their experience.
Those 4 Countries are what we should be focusing on. While small, they have lots of people and they're good with data.
Isn't the scarier though? This isn't some humanity killing flu, but it is so un-deadly that it will just keep spreading until it hits the vulnerable hosts that it can kill at a higher rate than 0.2%.
Granted those people were likely to die earlier anyway, but still.
Not far enough. We need to retract ALL manufacturing from China. We need to remember the lessons of Alexander Hamilton "make your own things, be dependent upon no other nation, remain free"
I know people that do, or praise them. I've been warning people about this since January but no one listened to me. NOW people care because they can use it to bash Trump.
The irony is, I've been called racist just for saying the CCP screwed up early on. I actually love Chinese history and culture, I just think the CCP is garbage.
It’s good to hear the President say this, not that I didn’t suspect he already thought this way. The state of China’s virus handling shouldn’t be informing our response, as they’ve never been honest about it. They hid it from the start and now they’re hiding the severity.
This is one thing about Trump that took me a while to "get". He is able to speak well of situations even while he may be in some level of disagreement (and visa versa, he can throw elbows on a pinpoint issue while still being cordial and welcoming in the bigger picture).
For example, right here, he says that he expects he and Winnie will have a good conversation together. This is not a "blanket" statement that summarizes his entire feelings/thoughts on the situation. It doesn't mean he necessarily feels Winnie will be honest and forthright with him. He may have a level of respect for Winnie as a leader, but that doesn't mean he trusts everything that comes out of the country, etc.
And I think the media routinely capitalizes on this seeming dichotomy. They want to paint everything in broad strokes, either yay or nay, black or white, and so they jump on these types of statements from Trump. But they rarely dig into the nuance and full breadth of what GEOTUS has said.
I admit the way he does this still catches me off guard from time to time, but I've learned to patiently withhold judgment until I hear GEOTUS in the entire context.
You can't trust communist countries- what AOC, Sanders, and other demon crats seem to want. They are welcome to leave and go there permanently so they can enjoy their utopia.
In China there are massive poor cities. People living in shit. Do you think they tested all of those people? Nope not 1. These people drink brown river water.
No one should believe fuckin China. They almost killed our fuckin crew last night because the pallets loaded for cargo was 2,500 kilos overweight. Our jet was overburning fuel and flying was unstable. Plus the company told us they will be 24 hours late after changing the contract once again. We were told that the company shipping the freight to our jets has never done this before. That is a pretty telling sign that things aren't right at all. We were also told China is once again changing its laws for US Visas with companies flying in for air cargo. The Chinese are the biggest backstabbing liars on the planet and you got the media in the US covering for them. Treasonous fucks. Also don't forget about Event 201 brought to you by Bill Gates.
China stops testing and reports low numbers so that they can claim the US had way more cases. They'll probably push that as "proof" that it originated here instead of in Wuhan or some such stupid shit.
Trump cut himself short of stating that China is blatantly lying. He knows he needs to start on a good foot with his conversation with Xi tonight. But he knows, lol
exactly what I noticed. You could almost see him biting his tongue. He wants to say they're full of shit but he decided to keep it slightly diplomatic. lol
This was the media’s obvious plan from the start. Complain about lack of testing and then complain about number off cases. I only watch the number of deceased since that is more representative of the problem, and we are doing great all things considered.
Lucky we don't need China's numbers - the Cruise Ship was a nice controlled experiment. Skews quite a bit older then the general population but close enough..
Fist time posting. I thought it was worth posting this info. It's a video from Laowhy86 were he describes missing phones and the recent job postings for a lab seeking scientists to work on the coronavirus among other things.
He says "YOU don't know what the numbers are..."
I'd expect the President would have access to intelligence analysis estimates that would be a lot closer to the reality in China than the Chicom government pretended numbers. We hear things like crematorium reports, traffic density stats, and cell phone company subscription drops. Intelligence agencies have vastly more than that.
Meanwhile he's certainly not going to blab that information himself. For one it's probably classified, two, it's a useful leverage point in discussions with Xi.
If they end up filling mass graves we will never know it. I wonder his butt buddy in North Korea is doing, you don't hear anything about that cesspool.
Does ANYONE believe China’s numbers?
Absolutely not.
China are communists liars. They are nothing but deceit. Their goal is to overtake America as the number one power in the world
Hey CCP, please explain 21 million cell phone accounts that dissappeared.
maybe they disabled them to prevent them from sharing shit on social media... doesn't mean they are dead. if they wanted to hide the # of bodies why would they do something obvious like delete their accounts?
Because they are imbeciles who eat live animals raw?
How do you eat a live animal cooked?
"One whole cow please, medium well but still alive"
chinese are sub-human dogs whom we should let the Japanese enslave again
Idk why, but I LOL’ed.
I'm suspicious this is the correct answer. It's either censorship or it's due to any combination of other externalities.
Possibilities I've seen mentioned:
These may have been work-related accounts. The factories are coming online, but there's no one working. The factory owners are allegedly powering them up to make it look good for the Communist party officials but no one's operating them. As punishment, the cell phone accounts were disabled.
China is switching from 4G to 5G, and I've seen claims this provider doesn't yet offer 5G services. Would 21 million people jump ship? Seems unlikely.
Economic disruption or whatever else may be causing issues for people maintaining these accounts. This seems the most likely possibility given POTUS' trade war, tariffs, and impact from SARS-CoV-2 and swine flu, avian flu, plus whatever bazillion other things are hitting their economy right now.
I've seen at least one claim that there are fires raging across parts of China that could be disrupting cell services for some companies. Seems unlikely consumers would change providers en masse that quickly, but I don't understand what the Chinese cultural underpinnings would be for this.
I don't think it's 21 million dead. That'd be hard to cover up. However, it's an interesting data point and somewhat concerning. What's really going on over in China?
Heard it’s 120% (the actual numbers?)
Everyone that’s ever worked with China would agree. They lie about everything. The longer you work with them, the more they become open to lying even more. In manufacturing and all business, they just make shit up all the time. It’s even common out there for people to use toxic paint when repainting a living space for a new tenant, so common that they have testing kits available at every convenience store.
If China’s going to lie and asshoe around about things like that, why would they ever tell the truth during a global hysterical crisis like this for which they were the source? I still blame the media more than them, but all this shit’s always from China. Fuck them for trying to make up a story that our troops brought it to them.
This is the country that lies about the ages of their Olympic gymnasts without blinking twice. If they're willing to lie about shit that trivial who would trust anything they have to say about numbers that will effect their whole economy?
So many people have no idea that China is a communist country--or even what that means.
If the truth were know this Chinese virus was an act of defiance that blew up in their faces.
Not a chance they're being honest
China didn't lock down their country (1.5 billion people )for 80,000 cases. It was also a good cover to take out dissidents.
China’s number = Asshoe
No. Add to that Russia, N. Korea, India and many others.
India especially. I know many Indian people very well and there is NO CHANCE their numbers are to be believed. They NEVER stay home or take precautions or even admit when they’re sick. It’s a cultural thing.
My Indian coworkers are on a 3 week lockdown. Could just be his city
Nobody does, but one question does remain. Did they just stop testing, or are they testing and hiding the numbers? Personally I'm going with door number 2.
China ran out of tests. They stopped testing.
Not that they ever reported honestly anyway. When did they account for people welded into their apartments? When did they account for people dying via trying to climb down their apartment buildings after being welded in and left to die?
When did they account for people who died in their 'hospitals' that were built in weeks and collapsed? When did they disclose that these 'hospitals' included no means of treatment, and were just isolation wards intended for the sick to die? When did they disclose the number of dead bodies they incinerated?
"President Trump do not trust China. China is asshoe!"
Interestingly, this seems like hubris on part of the Chinese.
The test kits that are failing at that rate aren't detecting viral RNA so much as they're antibody tests. I think China wanted to appear at the forefront of medical research by demonstrating they could beat everyone else to shipping these types of tests but sort of forgot the bit about actually making sure they did what it said on the package.
I’m out of the loop on this one. Morbidly curious for the source on welding apartments shut...
It was a "leaked" instructional video let out by CCP to show how to deal with the fucking flu, no wonder the citizens were freaking out
welding is rare but chaining is not.
Chinese tests don't work
Darn straight shooting!
Even if they didn’t stop testing, how reliable is that test? Knowing China, not very
You can not trust a single thing that comes out of China. They almost certainly released this on purpose. Why would they tell the truth now? It's a silent war. Deception is the key to warfare.
China says they have no cases. That leaves two possibilities:
They're lying.
They have a cure and aren't telling anyone.
Neither option is acceptable.
We know they don't have a cure yet because no one else does. How can China steal what doesn't exist?
Except we do have successful treatments which are working in place of a cure. We also know that China took a treatment from Japan that was showing success and has been mass producing it.
You forgot 3: Both.
I don't believe they have a cure, though. They're just lying because it's what they do.
The Chinese do not trust as Christians do and thus they do not comprehend profound cost of betraying Trust. They also do not understand conflict the way we do they have no concept of crossing the Rubicon..
Believing China is like believing Democrats don’t commit voter fraud
If you ignore all the evidence, there is no evidence of voter fraud.
It's true, it's not voter fraud. It's election fraud.
Why not both?
Imagine a forced gangbang on Lady Liberty.
Whether or not a few assholes did or didn't bust on her is almost inconsequential, the entire drugging, kidnapping is what enabled the Schrödingers nut to happen.
heck if you make it illegal to look for voter fraud and illegal for the other party to complain about it there is definetly no voter fraud :D
Did the stimulus bill that passed still have that shit in it where poll workers could bring votes in and drop them off? If yes then I think the dems finally won. Illegal votes through the roof...
"Most people?" Most people WHO? Where?
That Ethiopian fuck tanked the world economy along Winnie the needle dick faggot. Hope we Rod from God those pieces of shit.
China says if we do anything they will stop ALL antibiotic shipments. I say "go for it, Winnie the g...." bring the pain, remind everyone why you should be hated and why the criminal globalists in Congress should be arrested for allowing critical manufacturing to be done in China.
All medicine and crtital components have to be classified as strategic natsec immediately.
All purchases need to be cut from CCP
I have a friend in Seattle who has major TDS. He is almost conservative but his hatred for Trump blinds him into stupidity.
He cannot continue any conversation that points blame at China or points out that they lied for months. He just writes them off as right wing talking points. Its super irritating but maybe one day I'll get his light bulb turned on. It just bothers the fuck out of me how they treat a difference in opinion as shocking and insulting. They come off as major pusses.
Too many people still believe the bullshit on the MSM. That needs to stop. Use your head and question every headline.
Fake news gonna fake.
I don't understand how people don't get "observational bias."
OH MY GOD WE HAVE MORE CASES!
No we don't, and we never will... China will have at least 4 times the number of cases that we have here--and that's because they're 4 times the size of our population. (Plus, their public sanitation is pretty poor compared to ours, they live in a lot closer proximity than us, etc.)
We also have a better TESTING rate. The fact that we have better testing, sanitation, record keeping, etc. here means that we'll be able to better record cases than other countries, we'll know about more cases, and therefore be able to deal with more cases.
Just think about how many deaths in China were Chinese Flu related in November and December that we'll probably never know about.
As a corollary:
OMG A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE DYING IN THE US!
No, they're not--we also have better tracking capabilities to go with those testing capabilities. The people that died here have a much higher likelihood to actually be getting help.
Is it a virus? Yeah. Is it like the flu? Yeah. Will we EVER know how many cases we have? Nope. Is it worth even HALF of this reaction to it? Not even close.
But, regardless, we're still doing significant damage to our economy. Ultimately, this is all bullshit, and I can't believe how the dems used this pork-filled bill to line their own pockets--and to take away our rights en masse.
China has 1.365 Billion people The USA 350 Million. China is using that fuzzy math. They better Reeeeeeeecaliber their Abacus Board
It is insane how people seem to be ignoring population numbers when talking about this thing. Muh Italy, 60m people...of course we have more cases than them. When you look at per million population(which is right there on worldometer) we are pretty much lower than every other developed nation aside from the UK and South Korea. Naturally they sort by total number though
EXACTLY. Numbers out of context are MEANINGLESS - or even worse purposely misleading - which is exactly why they do it.
China kicked out American media right as they opened their country back up. Its so blistering obvious that they know this will contribute to further spread, yet they do it anyway because they have been hurting economically and they need to get people back to work.
Hopefully we'll get meaningful data from S. Korea, Singapore, Japan and Taiwan. All these Countries are ahead of us on the timeline, and we can learn about going back to work responsibly from their experience.
Those 4 Countries are what we should be focusing on. While small, they have lots of people and they're good with data.
Isn't the scarier though? This isn't some humanity killing flu, but it is so un-deadly that it will just keep spreading until it hits the vulnerable hosts that it can kill at a higher rate than 0.2%.
Granted those people were likely to die earlier anyway, but still.
Even lower in some cases. I read a WSJ article which said the rate was 0.01%
Even China knows they have a problem. The commies are pressuring Xi to do better or step down.
China will be Cut off from western capital and the resources that capital buys..
Hope so.
Not far enough. We need to retract ALL manufacturing from China. We need to remember the lessons of Alexander Hamilton "make your own things, be dependent upon no other nation, remain free"
China: Ignore the pile of 21 million phones with no owners behind the curtain. All A-OK here. Have some Chinese fruit. Don't be racist and wash it.
Its 21 million and mot 8.1 million? Holy fucking shit
8.1 million on just one carrier, United China
Thank you ADMINS for the stickie 😘
Number larger than China = Orange Man Bad
That’s exactly right. NYT has had that “US has most cases” headline on an itchy trigger finger for weeks.
The new muh popular vote.
I know people that do, or praise them. I've been warning people about this since January but no one listened to me. NOW people care because they can use it to bash Trump.
The irony is, I've been called racist just for saying the CCP screwed up early on. I actually love Chinese history and culture, I just think the CCP is garbage.
It’s good to hear the President say this, not that I didn’t suspect he already thought this way. The state of China’s virus handling shouldn’t be informing our response, as they’ve never been honest about it. They hid it from the start and now they’re hiding the severity.
Nobody does. I doubt even China knows.
Commies lie. They do it here with crime numbers.
If they were being far more honest than normal, they are reporting 1/10th of the real numbers
Epic username bro.
When will people understand when Trump praises Xi he is merely making a gesture and doesn't mean he ever believed the Chinese numbers?
China's numbers are 10x to 100x the official numbers.
Donald Trump don't trust china, china asshole
*asshoe
This is one thing about Trump that took me a while to "get". He is able to speak well of situations even while he may be in some level of disagreement (and visa versa, he can throw elbows on a pinpoint issue while still being cordial and welcoming in the bigger picture).
For example, right here, he says that he expects he and Winnie will have a good conversation together. This is not a "blanket" statement that summarizes his entire feelings/thoughts on the situation. It doesn't mean he necessarily feels Winnie will be honest and forthright with him. He may have a level of respect for Winnie as a leader, but that doesn't mean he trusts everything that comes out of the country, etc.
And I think the media routinely capitalizes on this seeming dichotomy. They want to paint everything in broad strokes, either yay or nay, black or white, and so they jump on these types of statements from Trump. But they rarely dig into the nuance and full breadth of what GEOTUS has said.
I admit the way he does this still catches me off guard from time to time, but I've learned to patiently withhold judgment until I hear GEOTUS in the entire context.
The media want this to carry on, they are scare mongering and hyping it up.
We need to tamp this shit down and talk about an end in sight.
Holy shit. A logical conclusion. The MSM is truly the enemy of the people.
You can't trust communist countries- what AOC, Sanders, and other demon crats seem to want. They are welcome to leave and go there permanently so they can enjoy their utopia.
Looks like the video is gone. Anyone have a different link?
It’s there, try clicking on the caption...
In China there are massive poor cities. People living in shit. Do you think they tested all of those people? Nope not 1. These people drink brown river water.
No one should believe fuckin China. They almost killed our fuckin crew last night because the pallets loaded for cargo was 2,500 kilos overweight. Our jet was overburning fuel and flying was unstable. Plus the company told us they will be 24 hours late after changing the contract once again. We were told that the company shipping the freight to our jets has never done this before. That is a pretty telling sign that things aren't right at all. We were also told China is once again changing its laws for US Visas with companies flying in for air cargo. The Chinese are the biggest backstabbing liars on the planet and you got the media in the US covering for them. Treasonous fucks. Also don't forget about Event 201 brought to you by Bill Gates.
China stops testing and reports low numbers so that they can claim the US had way more cases. They'll probably push that as "proof" that it originated here instead of in Wuhan or some such stupid shit.
Trump cut himself short of stating that China is blatantly lying. He knows he needs to start on a good foot with his conversation with Xi tonight. But he knows, lol
exactly what I noticed. You could almost see him biting his tongue. He wants to say they're full of shit but he decided to keep it slightly diplomatic. lol
This was the media’s obvious plan from the start. Complain about lack of testing and then complain about number off cases. I only watch the number of deceased since that is more representative of the problem, and we are doing great all things considered.
Lucky we don't need China's numbers - the Cruise Ship was a nice controlled experiment. Skews quite a bit older then the general population but close enough..
If you believe China has more cases of the China Virus than America does, then I have ocean-front property in Idaho to sell you.
China is asshoe.
Fist time posting. I thought it was worth posting this info. It's a video from Laowhy86 were he describes missing phones and the recent job postings for a lab seeking scientists to work on the coronavirus among other things.
https://youtu.be/A1F_kWYdqUY
Trump is being very restrained. He has an iron will.
He says "YOU don't know what the numbers are..." I'd expect the President would have access to intelligence analysis estimates that would be a lot closer to the reality in China than the Chicom government pretended numbers. We hear things like crematorium reports, traffic density stats, and cell phone company subscription drops. Intelligence agencies have vastly more than that.
Meanwhile he's certainly not going to blab that information himself. For one it's probably classified, two, it's a useful leverage point in discussions with Xi.
Are liberals doing China's bidding?
There was a riot in Hubei City today
100 deaths from virus. 20 million from the purge
If they end up filling mass graves we will never know it. I wonder his butt buddy in North Korea is doing, you don't hear anything about that cesspool.
In today's episode of LIB LOGIC:
"America isn't testing enough people!"
<We ramp up testing.>
"OMG, coronavirus cases are on the rise!"