This should be a simple relief bill, but because of our political system there is a ton of crap mixed into the bill. Public Broadcasting should not be a part of this and getting a $75M cut.
We've allowed our country to be destroyed to the point we can't live without government heroin
only when the government shuts down all the businesses though, so maybe there's more to the situation than you're implying here.
I got 10% through the bill before I had to go back to working, took like 2 hours. there were only like 2 vague "change this wording in some other law" that I saw, and they were still pretty clear about what they were doing and those changes sunsetted Jan 2021.
aside from the 10-20% pork D's added, I didn't see anything I hated. I always knew you couldn't pass this kind of bill without those dipshits stealing more from the taxpayers, but we fix that at the ballot box. that die is already cast.
Okay, lets not pass it and allow the stock market to collapse completely, kicking off a many-year depression as businesses follow and unemployment skyrockets. Millions more unemployed,and the economy trashed, will leave the Untied States even more reliant on countries like China and Mexico to supply all manner of things because there will be no businesses able to do it in the US - there simply won't be any capital for it.
Or we could pull out of the nosedive now before we hit the ground. Your call.
True, very true. I hate this mentality of never letting a good crisis go to waste. Think about it - our leaders are actually incentivized to create and then use a crisis to do their jobs. Nobody in our government works together at all otherwise, especially not the Democrats. The GOP was ready to pass a targeted bill to combat the crisis and then Pelosi shows up and boom there's $800b of extra pork in it now for her pet causes. And the entire Democratic party in Congress just follows her in lockstep where they had previously been ready to get this done for America. It's disgusting.
"will leave the Untied States even more reliant on countries like China and Mexico to supply all manner of things"
No, it won't. It will cause Americans to start making their own stuff, knowing the government isn't going to save them, and other nations will attack them if they don't stand up quickly.
Oh, every American is going to start manufacturing stuff in their back yards? I seem to remember a similar episode from history during the cultural revolution that resulted in the deaths of millions because you had farmers trying to smelt iron.
The simply fact of the matter is that large scale manufacturing takes large scale resources. There would be no resources for large scale manufacturing if the economy fell through. You can forget about American cars, American steel, American locomotives and more as the economic collapse eats its way up the supply chain.
The Untied States would cease to be a major world power as we know it. China would take precedence. Without jobs, and without the capital for businesses to start up and create jobs, people would undoubtedly TURN TO SOCIALISM AND DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT COVER THEIR EXPENSES, YOU COMPLETE IDIOT. People would look around and say well, there's no jobs and no hopes of getting one any time soon since all the companies went out of business. And those people would vote for fucking Democrats.
You live in a fantasy world. What you're describing only exists in books, philosophy, ect. In the real world people are not going to just neatly slot themselves into your worldview - they're going to look for another answer. If the Republicans were to use their power to enforce the total economic destruction of America and her people, which you seem to believe is a reasonable and even desirable outcome, they're not going to say oh well and go back home and start farming and building their own cars in their backyards. They're going to vote for fucking socialism.
You think this bill represents communism? Wait until millions of people really do have nothing and no hope of having something. Then you will see communism getting real support, and not just from dumb college kids smoking weed, in America. And who would stop them from voting for it? You?
The bottom line here is that you are every bit as irrational and stupid as those college kids smoking weed and telling each other communism can work, just from the other side.
Id rather suffer than be 2trillion in more debt, devaluing our currency and removing our buying power as a nation. THis should be 100% veto'd and a clean bill period, end of conversation. "just pass it" bills are the most incredibly dangerous poison pills that might look good today but fuck us, our grandchildren, and this countries fabric every goddamn time tomorrow
Man, I don't know. Most of this I see as the republicans pandering to the democrats and cutting off our nose to spite our face. And I work for an airline, and I'm very afraid for my job.
Even if this bill passes, I'm not sure I want my company's executives to take the money. There's WAY too many anti-business conditions that Pelosi and her dumb-fuck cronies put in it.
I think this is a great analogy. I don't like the bill, I don't believe Trump likes the bill but he's trying to keep us out of a depression. I also believe he was given some really bad numbers and now just wants to help the American people and get on with life. And I like Massey, he is a big Trump supporter. I just don't like the tweet. But I'm going to try and give Trump a pass on this one because no doubt he's frustrated, tired and has had everyone and their mother going against him since he got elected.
I get why he doesn't like it. I dont like government spending either and this bill is YUGE but people need it man. We gotta pass it
This should be a simple relief bill, but because of our political system there is a ton of crap mixed into the bill. Public Broadcasting should not be a part of this and getting a $75M cut.
"We gotta pass it."
This is the most terrifying thing about it. We don't know what's in it. We don't care. We have to have it now.
We've allowed our country to be destroyed to the point we can't live without government heroin.
only when the government shuts down all the businesses though, so maybe there's more to the situation than you're implying here.
I got 10% through the bill before I had to go back to working, took like 2 hours. there were only like 2 vague "change this wording in some other law" that I saw, and they were still pretty clear about what they were doing and those changes sunsetted Jan 2021.
aside from the 10-20% pork D's added, I didn't see anything I hated. I always knew you couldn't pass this kind of bill without those dipshits stealing more from the taxpayers, but we fix that at the ballot box. that die is already cast.
Okay, lets not pass it and allow the stock market to collapse completely, kicking off a many-year depression as businesses follow and unemployment skyrockets. Millions more unemployed,and the economy trashed, will leave the Untied States even more reliant on countries like China and Mexico to supply all manner of things because there will be no businesses able to do it in the US - there simply won't be any capital for it.
Or we could pull out of the nosedive now before we hit the ground. Your call.
Not what I said; I was agreeing they have to pass the fucking thing.
I'm just furious with our fucking Congress that it is always a fucking crisis, always of their making, and we always lose as a country.
A L W A Y S
True, very true. I hate this mentality of never letting a good crisis go to waste. Think about it - our leaders are actually incentivized to create and then use a crisis to do their jobs. Nobody in our government works together at all otherwise, especially not the Democrats. The GOP was ready to pass a targeted bill to combat the crisis and then Pelosi shows up and boom there's $800b of extra pork in it now for her pet causes. And the entire Democratic party in Congress just follows her in lockstep where they had previously been ready to get this done for America. It's disgusting.
"will leave the Untied States even more reliant on countries like China and Mexico to supply all manner of things"
No, it won't. It will cause Americans to start making their own stuff, knowing the government isn't going to save them, and other nations will attack them if they don't stand up quickly.
Oh, every American is going to start manufacturing stuff in their back yards? I seem to remember a similar episode from history during the cultural revolution that resulted in the deaths of millions because you had farmers trying to smelt iron.
The simply fact of the matter is that large scale manufacturing takes large scale resources. There would be no resources for large scale manufacturing if the economy fell through. You can forget about American cars, American steel, American locomotives and more as the economic collapse eats its way up the supply chain.
The Untied States would cease to be a major world power as we know it. China would take precedence. Without jobs, and without the capital for businesses to start up and create jobs, people would undoubtedly TURN TO SOCIALISM AND DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT COVER THEIR EXPENSES, YOU COMPLETE IDIOT. People would look around and say well, there's no jobs and no hopes of getting one any time soon since all the companies went out of business. And those people would vote for fucking Democrats.
You live in a fantasy world. What you're describing only exists in books, philosophy, ect. In the real world people are not going to just neatly slot themselves into your worldview - they're going to look for another answer. If the Republicans were to use their power to enforce the total economic destruction of America and her people, which you seem to believe is a reasonable and even desirable outcome, they're not going to say oh well and go back home and start farming and building their own cars in their backyards. They're going to vote for fucking socialism.
You think this bill represents communism? Wait until millions of people really do have nothing and no hope of having something. Then you will see communism getting real support, and not just from dumb college kids smoking weed, in America. And who would stop them from voting for it? You?
The bottom line here is that you are every bit as irrational and stupid as those college kids smoking weed and telling each other communism can work, just from the other side.
Id rather suffer than be 2trillion in more debt, devaluing our currency and removing our buying power as a nation. THis should be 100% veto'd and a clean bill period, end of conversation. "just pass it" bills are the most incredibly dangerous poison pills that might look good today but fuck us, our grandchildren, and this countries fabric every goddamn time tomorrow
Man, I don't know. Most of this I see as the republicans pandering to the democrats and cutting off our nose to spite our face. And I work for an airline, and I'm very afraid for my job.
Even if this bill passes, I'm not sure I want my company's executives to take the money. There's WAY too many anti-business conditions that Pelosi and her dumb-fuck cronies put in it.
I think this is a great analogy. I don't like the bill, I don't believe Trump likes the bill but he's trying to keep us out of a depression. I also believe he was given some really bad numbers and now just wants to help the American people and get on with life. And I like Massey, he is a big Trump supporter. I just don't like the tweet. But I'm going to try and give Trump a pass on this one because no doubt he's frustrated, tired and has had everyone and their mother going against him since he got elected.