Rudy tonight just announced on the Ingram angle that the doctor in upstate New York has now treated 659 patients and only had a handful of complications and almost all but 5 have recovered. Pretty awesome
The recovery time is also important here. It's my understanding that patients with severe cases who live can spend weeks in intensive care.
Even if the death rate is not greatly reduced, if patients recover faster that relieves a great deal of strain on the health care system. Not to mention that it relieves an enormous amount of suffering.
And if it reduces the amount of time that patients are contagious, it makes the epidemic easier to control.
Additionally, if this treatment speeds recovery - it may help to avoid potential long-term lung damage. Lung damage is largely just a hypothesis right now, but Docs feel it's likely.
Yes, plasma from recovered patients also looks very promising. But at this stage we don't have nearly enough plasma from recovered patients to go around*, even though one person's plasma can treat three people.
(*At least not that we know of. We may find a lot more recovered patients out there if we were to start widespread testing.)
So our best bet in the immediate term is to keep trialing ALL promising treatments as expeditiously as possible.
If there turn out to be several effective treatment options, that's even better. That way there are fewer supply bottlenecks and additional treatment options for patients who can't tolerate a certain drug.
More info is always better but NY's trial started less than 6 days ago. It was thought that it took 6 days to recover on HCQ. So it seems likely that the 5 that haven't recovered yet are exactly that - still infected and haven't recovered yet. After 6 days how many of them will recover? Even if it takes all 5 20 days to become virus free that's excellent results with the "Trump cocktail."
God forbid 3 of the remaining 5 infected people should die, that would still chop the fatality rate down to .5%, while reducing the recovery time to about 1/3. With 0 side effects!
No matter how you might classify results like that, still well worth doing! Ends scary pandemic with no cure, leaving it as nasty flu.
I really look forward to reading all the details of the study; controls, methodology, etc. Hopefully it's a well designed study. Hopefully they're transparent with the details.
Tougher to study possible preventative use of this drug. It'll be nice when we have enough supply to try that ...
I'd say Raoult ignited a small fire and Trump crashed an oil supertanker on it.
You can't deny it really gained traction only when Trump shouted about it.
Amazing that you've been on HCQ! I've read that a preventative dose is .5g per week. How does that compare?
My point is that after SARS, they knew HCQ works on this type of thing. At least 8 Chinese Drs tried to warn the world of this outbreak, and China silenced them. They're now all dead.
Those Drs surely knew HCQ will cure. China covered up the whole thing. We even had western officials telling us human to human transmission wasn't possible. Then of course when DJT announced we have a cure, MSM claimed that was "false hope."
China could have greatly reduced this whole mess in a number of ways, even after it got out.
Congratulations on staying alive, btw. I'm sure you know the history that wasn't a sure thing not so long ago.
Thank you for posting your experience! What I really mean to say is after SARS China discovered HCQ works in this particular application. And at least 8 Chinese Drs tried to warn the world of the outbreak very early, and surely they knew the cure. And China silenced them. They're all dead. China could've greatly reduced it in any number of ways, even after it got out. They didn't.
The only thing I ever knew about Lupus was from watching Lorenzo's Oil. I bet you're more familiar with that than I am. Do you know if it's a true story? Is it talking about HCQ, or something else?
From the paper on this study, linked below: 1 86 year old patient in this study died. 1 74 year old patient failed to show improvement and remained in ICU. No mention was made of any underlying health conditions before getting this infection, but I haven't finished reading the paper. And they might not have this information.
I stand corrected: they give data after 8 days of treatment, so I don't know when this study started but apparently before Governor Cuomo announced trials in NY.
If you are a MD it is I who should be thanking you! Even moreso because you are based. I hope all our healthcare workers are on a preventative dose of HCQ as well as PPE head to toe. We need you guys well!
Thank you for the risk you are taking to try to keep everyone alive. God Bless you and yours ...
Don't know about this, but when he had treated 200 he said that he had had no deaths, no hospitalizations, and no intubations. I'd be surprised if 5 had died; probs more likely their treatment is still just ongoing.
They are using it for confirmed sick patients int he hospital. It's ok short supply so they do not want drs prescribing it as prophylaxis for their whole family and friends
I'm sorry, but the token feminist dance theory doctor was quoted by the New York Times saying it's bad. Who are we going to believe? science, facts and data from clinical trials...or a random person who has PHD printed on toilet paper?
I'm sorry but randos with toilet paper degrees is a lot more credible. I should know, I read vox.com
My moms a RN at a major NYC hospital. Almost three weeks back she was saying that the majority of patients just need some good old fashioned Z-pack and to stay the fuck home. The Hydro treatment wasn’t in the news at that point to the same extent it is now.
By pushing this, Trump may have saved thousands of lives that would have been lost otherwise. Time will tell but things are looking good for this treatment.
Rudy tonight just announced on the Ingram angle that the doctor in upstate New York has now treated 659 patients and only had a handful of complications and almost all but 5 have recovered. Pretty awesome
you dont have a clip do you?
About 23:00 starts Giuliani's talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mQheJGGOvw
The recovery time is also important here. It's my understanding that patients with severe cases who live can spend weeks in intensive care.
Even if the death rate is not greatly reduced, if patients recover faster that relieves a great deal of strain on the health care system. Not to mention that it relieves an enormous amount of suffering.
And if it reduces the amount of time that patients are contagious, it makes the epidemic easier to control.
Additionally, if this treatment speeds recovery - it may help to avoid potential long-term lung damage. Lung damage is largely just a hypothesis right now, but Docs feel it's likely.
Yes, plasma from recovered patients also looks very promising. But at this stage we don't have nearly enough plasma from recovered patients to go around*, even though one person's plasma can treat three people.
(*At least not that we know of. We may find a lot more recovered patients out there if we were to start widespread testing.)
So our best bet in the immediate term is to keep trialing ALL promising treatments as expeditiously as possible.
If there turn out to be several effective treatment options, that's even better. That way there are fewer supply bottlenecks and additional treatment options for patients who can't tolerate a certain drug.
Remember though that of those hospitalized the death rate is much higher, especially for the elderly at almost 6%. This is huge.
More info is always better but NY's trial started less than 6 days ago. It was thought that it took 6 days to recover on HCQ. So it seems likely that the 5 that haven't recovered yet are exactly that - still infected and haven't recovered yet. After 6 days how many of them will recover? Even if it takes all 5 20 days to become virus free that's excellent results with the "Trump cocktail."
God forbid 3 of the remaining 5 infected people should die, that would still chop the fatality rate down to .5%, while reducing the recovery time to about 1/3. With 0 side effects!
No matter how you might classify results like that, still well worth doing! Ends scary pandemic with no cure, leaving it as nasty flu.
I really look forward to reading all the details of the study; controls, methodology, etc. Hopefully it's a well designed study. Hopefully they're transparent with the details.
Tougher to study possible preventative use of this drug. It'll be nice when we have enough supply to try that ...
Its not really Trumps cocktail as if he was the first person to tout this, more like the doctors in france, but i get your point.
I'd say Raoult ignited a small fire and Trump crashed an oil supertanker on it. You can't deny it really gained traction only when Trump shouted about it.
Ok. China knew chloroquine would work against this 15 years ago, and hid it from the world.
Add z pack to it and the effectiveness apparently doubles. Was the guy in France the first one to try it?
Amazing that you've been on HCQ! I've read that a preventative dose is .5g per week. How does that compare?
My point is that after SARS, they knew HCQ works on this type of thing. At least 8 Chinese Drs tried to warn the world of this outbreak, and China silenced them. They're now all dead.
Those Drs surely knew HCQ will cure. China covered up the whole thing. We even had western officials telling us human to human transmission wasn't possible. Then of course when DJT announced we have a cure, MSM claimed that was "false hope."
China could have greatly reduced this whole mess in a number of ways, even after it got out.
Congratulations on staying alive, btw. I'm sure you know the history that wasn't a sure thing not so long ago.
Thank you for posting your experience! What I really mean to say is after SARS China discovered HCQ works in this particular application. And at least 8 Chinese Drs tried to warn the world of the outbreak very early, and surely they knew the cure. And China silenced them. They're all dead. China could've greatly reduced it in any number of ways, even after it got out. They didn't.
The only thing I ever knew about Lupus was from watching Lorenzo's Oil. I bet you're more familiar with that than I am. Do you know if it's a true story? Is it talking about HCQ, or something else?
Oh, and congratulations on surviving!
We hide it. Notice this is a .gov website and the study is from 05.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16115318
No, but he was the first person to start documenting it and experimenting with it. He recommended adding the z-pack and some zinc.
Cool. He's the #1 contagious disease specialist in the world. I have no idea how such a thing is determined, but I'm good with it :)
I wonder how our national supply of z pack is? Any domestic production?
He carried the torch of it while being ridiculed (as usual) by our media.
From the paper on this study, linked below: 1 86 year old patient in this study died. 1 74 year old patient failed to show improvement and remained in ICU. No mention was made of any underlying health conditions before getting this infection, but I haven't finished reading the paper. And they might not have this information.
I stand corrected: they give data after 8 days of treatment, so I don't know when this study started but apparently before Governor Cuomo announced trials in NY.
If you are a MD it is I who should be thanking you! Even moreso because you are based. I hope all our healthcare workers are on a preventative dose of HCQ as well as PPE head to toe. We need you guys well!
Thank you for the risk you are taking to try to keep everyone alive. God Bless you and yours ...
Third time's the charm? The paper linked below is of a study done in France. 80 subjects total. Same guy that did the first study of 36.
False alarm. I thought this was too early to be seeing results from NY. Curious how large, but it certainly could be at least 1,000.
Don't know about this, but when he had treated 200 he said that he had had no deaths, no hospitalizations, and no intubations. I'd be surprised if 5 had died; probs more likely their treatment is still just ongoing.
Doesn’t matter democrats aren’t gonna use it the media will say it doesn’t work, Democrats. Want . Chaos .
Until it works and they attack Trump for not getting it out quick enough. How many times have they done that in the last 3 years?
He was the FIRST politician to trumpet the news of the drug... hard to say he sat on it.
Democrats are chaos
Ftfy
Democrats aren’t doctors. Doctors don’t play bullshit partisan games
Correction: GOOD Drs don't engage in partisan hackery, nor are they willing to skew data. Wish we had good representatives we could say the same for
Source paper https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf
Ha, contraindication to Azithromycin is SOY.
Not going to work on the soybio's. Who said CCP didn't know what they were doing. They are trying to help us MAGA.
Yeah, but what happened when they drank aquarium cleaner?!?!
Its mindblowing. We have the cure. And doctors arent using it 100%. W.t.f. the guy in France deserves a fucking medal for discovering/testing this.
They are using it for confirmed sick patients int he hospital. It's ok short supply so they do not want drs prescribing it as prophylaxis for their whole family and friends
The doctor on tucker last night admitted he was using HCQ as a preventative on himself and he's in the ER and surprised he's not sick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPAQhvDTfWs (about 13:00 into show, also at 18:50 with Dr. Siegel)
I've read that the pharmaceutical companies that make HCV have ramped up production. It still takes time to get things shipped, then distributed.
I don't think he gets all the credit...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16115318
I'm sorry, but the token feminist dance theory doctor was quoted by the New York Times saying it's bad. Who are we going to believe? science, facts and data from clinical trials...or a random person who has PHD printed on toilet paper?
I'm sorry but randos with toilet paper degrees is a lot more credible. I should know, I read vox.com
Smells own fart
GAS TAX GRETCHEN SAYS "NO MEDS FOR YOU!"
I can't tell you how much I can't stand that plastic idiot.
She's ruining MI. Have you noticed how we have to pay a tax for things we purchase online now? "ItS fOr tHe ScHoOls" she claims..really?
Never had a problem getting money for the schools before. Maybe she should allocate the damn budget
My moms a RN at a major NYC hospital. Almost three weeks back she was saying that the majority of patients just need some good old fashioned Z-pack and to stay the fuck home. The Hydro treatment wasn’t in the news at that point to the same extent it is now.
By pushing this, Trump may have saved thousands of lives that would have been lost otherwise. Time will tell but things are looking good for this treatment.
Plus let Darwinism take care of the fish tank cleaner eaters.
Is Italy using the treatment?
No, I heard a woman being interviewed on War Room, they were only using WHO recommended protocols
Now let's all wonder why their death rate is 10.6%.
A gift from God!