Rudy tonight just announced on the Ingram angle that the doctor in upstate New York has now treated 659 patients and only had a handful of complications and almost all but 5 have recovered. Pretty awesome
The recovery time is also important here. It's my understanding that patients with severe cases who live can spend weeks in intensive care.
Even if the death rate is not greatly reduced, if patients recover faster that relieves a great deal of strain on the health care system. Not to mention that it relieves an enormous amount of suffering.
And if it reduces the amount of time that patients are contagious, it makes the epidemic easier to control.
Additionally, if this treatment speeds recovery - it may help to avoid potential long-term lung damage. Lung damage is largely just a hypothesis right now, but Docs feel it's likely.
Yes, plasma from recovered patients also looks very promising. But at this stage we don't have nearly enough plasma from recovered patients to go around*, even though one person's plasma can treat three people.
(*At least not that we know of. We may find a lot more recovered patients out there if we were to start widespread testing.)
So our best bet in the immediate term is to keep trialing ALL promising treatments as expeditiously as possible.
If there turn out to be several effective treatment options, that's even better. That way there are fewer supply bottlenecks and additional treatment options for patients who can't tolerate a certain drug.
More info is always better but NY's trial started less than 6 days ago. It was thought that it took 6 days to recover on HCQ. So it seems likely that the 5 that haven't recovered yet are exactly that - still infected and haven't recovered yet. After 6 days how many of them will recover? Even if it takes all 5 20 days to become virus free that's excellent results with the "Trump cocktail."
God forbid 3 of the remaining 5 infected people should die, that would still chop the fatality rate down to .5%, while reducing the recovery time to about 1/3. With 0 side effects!
No matter how you might classify results like that, still well worth doing! Ends scary pandemic with no cure, leaving it as nasty flu.
I really look forward to reading all the details of the study; controls, methodology, etc. Hopefully it's a well designed study. Hopefully they're transparent with the details.
Tougher to study possible preventative use of this drug. It'll be nice when we have enough supply to try that ...
I'd say Raoult ignited a small fire and Trump crashed an oil supertanker on it.
You can't deny it really gained traction only when Trump shouted about it.
From the paper on this study, linked below: 1 86 year old patient in this study died. 1 74 year old patient failed to show improvement and remained in ICU. No mention was made of any underlying health conditions before getting this infection, but I haven't finished reading the paper. And they might not have this information.
I stand corrected: they give data after 8 days of treatment, so I don't know when this study started but apparently before Governor Cuomo announced trials in NY.
If you are a MD it is I who should be thanking you! Even moreso because you are based. I hope all our healthcare workers are on a preventative dose of HCQ as well as PPE head to toe. We need you guys well!
Thank you for the risk you are taking to try to keep everyone alive. God Bless you and yours ...
Don't know about this, but when he had treated 200 he said that he had had no deaths, no hospitalizations, and no intubations. I'd be surprised if 5 had died; probs more likely their treatment is still just ongoing.
Rudy tonight just announced on the Ingram angle that the doctor in upstate New York has now treated 659 patients and only had a handful of complications and almost all but 5 have recovered. Pretty awesome
you dont have a clip do you?
About 23:00 starts Giuliani's talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mQheJGGOvw
The recovery time is also important here. It's my understanding that patients with severe cases who live can spend weeks in intensive care.
Even if the death rate is not greatly reduced, if patients recover faster that relieves a great deal of strain on the health care system. Not to mention that it relieves an enormous amount of suffering.
And if it reduces the amount of time that patients are contagious, it makes the epidemic easier to control.
Additionally, if this treatment speeds recovery - it may help to avoid potential long-term lung damage. Lung damage is largely just a hypothesis right now, but Docs feel it's likely.
Yes, plasma from recovered patients also looks very promising. But at this stage we don't have nearly enough plasma from recovered patients to go around*, even though one person's plasma can treat three people.
(*At least not that we know of. We may find a lot more recovered patients out there if we were to start widespread testing.)
So our best bet in the immediate term is to keep trialing ALL promising treatments as expeditiously as possible.
If there turn out to be several effective treatment options, that's even better. That way there are fewer supply bottlenecks and additional treatment options for patients who can't tolerate a certain drug.
Remember though that of those hospitalized the death rate is much higher, especially for the elderly at almost 6%. This is huge.
More info is always better but NY's trial started less than 6 days ago. It was thought that it took 6 days to recover on HCQ. So it seems likely that the 5 that haven't recovered yet are exactly that - still infected and haven't recovered yet. After 6 days how many of them will recover? Even if it takes all 5 20 days to become virus free that's excellent results with the "Trump cocktail."
God forbid 3 of the remaining 5 infected people should die, that would still chop the fatality rate down to .5%, while reducing the recovery time to about 1/3. With 0 side effects!
No matter how you might classify results like that, still well worth doing! Ends scary pandemic with no cure, leaving it as nasty flu.
I really look forward to reading all the details of the study; controls, methodology, etc. Hopefully it's a well designed study. Hopefully they're transparent with the details.
Tougher to study possible preventative use of this drug. It'll be nice when we have enough supply to try that ...
Its not really Trumps cocktail as if he was the first person to tout this, more like the doctors in france, but i get your point.
I'd say Raoult ignited a small fire and Trump crashed an oil supertanker on it. You can't deny it really gained traction only when Trump shouted about it.
Ok. China knew chloroquine would work against this 15 years ago, and hid it from the world.
Add z pack to it and the effectiveness apparently doubles. Was the guy in France the first one to try it?
He carried the torch of it while being ridiculed (as usual) by our media.
From the paper on this study, linked below: 1 86 year old patient in this study died. 1 74 year old patient failed to show improvement and remained in ICU. No mention was made of any underlying health conditions before getting this infection, but I haven't finished reading the paper. And they might not have this information.
I stand corrected: they give data after 8 days of treatment, so I don't know when this study started but apparently before Governor Cuomo announced trials in NY.
If you are a MD it is I who should be thanking you! Even moreso because you are based. I hope all our healthcare workers are on a preventative dose of HCQ as well as PPE head to toe. We need you guys well!
Thank you for the risk you are taking to try to keep everyone alive. God Bless you and yours ...
Third time's the charm? The paper linked below is of a study done in France. 80 subjects total. Same guy that did the first study of 36.
False alarm. I thought this was too early to be seeing results from NY. Curious how large, but it certainly could be at least 1,000.
Don't know about this, but when he had treated 200 he said that he had had no deaths, no hospitalizations, and no intubations. I'd be surprised if 5 had died; probs more likely their treatment is still just ongoing.