In a Thursday report published by the New England Journal of Medicine, Fauci conceded COVID-19’s death rate was twice that of the common flu, making it roughly 0.28 percent.
I included the embedded link to the NEJM article the OP linked in this post.
The problem: the NEJM article doesn't say what the OANN article claims. OANN appears to have added "making it roughly 0.28 percent," but I can't even find anything in the article where Fauci (or any other author of the article) "conceded" anything like what it claims.
If someone can find such a concession, please reply to me and quote the entire sentence, in context. I'll edit my comment.
US case fatality rate now = 1.4% (deaths/confirmed cases)
The only citation of 1.4% in the article is from a Chinese article:
In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.[5] report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity.
Footnote #5 is the cited article:
Guan W, Ni Z, Hu Y, et al. Clinical characteristics of coronavirus disease 2019 in China. N Engl J Med. DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa2002032.
Efficiency of transmission, asymptomatic transmission yields community spread, novel virus
However, given the efficiency of transmission as indicated in the current report, we should be prepared for Covid-19 to gain a foothold throughout the world, including in the United States. Community spread in the United States could require a shift from containment to mitigation strategies such as social distancing in order to reduce transmission. Such strategies could include isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.
Flu is kept in check by herd immunity and vaccines.
Yeah, the repeated vaccines are a pain in the ass, and it does take multiple vaccines to get a good, broad spread of immunity to the newer ones. But, the point still stands, whether you want to acknowledge it, or not.
I don't disagree, libs want the economy to crumble to hurt Trump, this is verifiable as many have already admitted it. Plus we know that some Senators shorted stocks.
But what I still can't figure out is why this is happening in most countries? This explains why the US is shutting down, but what about say Canada? Or small countries like Panama? Or why Boris shut it down?
The thing is, were past the point of containing this virus.
The government is just doing what they can to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed.
People are wrongly thinking the quarantine is until the virus is no longer a threat, IT IS NOT.
The quarantine is to limit the amount of people having to use medical services and overwhelming them.
Once we are over the peak, we will go back to work.
You MAY still catch Covid-19, because it will now always exist.. but if you do, and you go critical, the hospitals will have capacity to treat you.
Many people think this quarantine is to make the virus die out, it's not. You can't close Pandora's box. The virus exists and we now all have to live with that going forward.
In 2016 there were on average 102 deaths per day in the US due to road crashes. COVID19 killed 109 today, so its not exactly way less. And it isn't at its peak yet.
In the past 3 days in Spain, there have been 2,240 deaths due to coronavirus. In their entire year of 2013, they had 1,923 deaths due to road deaths. So in 3 days they had more deaths than an entire year of driving deaths. Not trying to fear monger but thats just a reality, its clearly more dangerous than driving if you look at that stat.
So we've shut down the country with a death rate that's about the same as that of road deaths. Will the country have to remain shut down to avoid road deaths?
Well if it stays like this, 109 deaths per day, we will go back to normal and everyone will have their jobs back. But if you just do the same as normal, you will end up like spain where there is over 100 times more deaths from COVID than there are from road deaths (625 deaths today from COVID, 5 per day average from road deaths in 2013).
If we had 100-150 times more road deaths per year in the US, we would definitely be doin something about it..
You used the numbers from Spain to try to make a point about the U.S.
In the U.S., China Flu deaths are not 100-150 times more than road deaths. World wide, there are 1.25 million road deaths a year. World wide, China Flu deaths are not 100-150 times more than road deaths.
My point is that if you don't have any lockdowns at all, you are likely to end up like Spain, which didn't do anything until the problem got very bad.
China and India have done lockdowns and the spread of the virus has stopped increasing. They make up 1/2 of the worlds road deaths. If they had not put everyone into quarantine, the china flu deaths would be worse.
Basically I am saying if you do what you are saying, which it seems is 'dont do anything, road deaths are higher and we do nothing' then the COVID deaths will continue to rise, and surpass road deaths which is exactly what happened in Spain.
Right now in the US they are the same as road deaths, but that would increase if we did nothing. Why would we not end up like Spain if we did nothing and let things continue as normal.
What lock down? In most places, everyone is congregating to one location - the local grocery store. The "lock downs" couldn't have been designed better to make sure everyone is exposed to a virus.
because we did not know what the rate was 2 weeks ago when the shutdown started, and we did not want to experience what Wuhan and Italy went through where people were being denied hospital care and dieing.I am sure Trump will take the new data into consideration for the path forward, but the reaction so far by the federal government seems reasonable to me.
Not even, he says "MAY be considerably less than 1%." And this was written back in February.
If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%.
The math is a little hand wavy but I see what they did. I do think the distinction needs to be made that this is OANN’s interpretation and this statistic itself was not published in the journal.
In a Thursday report published by the New England Journal of Medicine, Fauci conceded COVID-19’s death rate was twice that of the common flu, making it roughly 0.28 percent.
The NEJM article is the one you linked.
The problem is: Fauci didn't concede anything. I'm not finding anything that even says "twice". And if there is, OANN added the 0.28% on their own.
If anyone can find anything in the NEJM article that actually says what OANN claimed, please cite the entire sentence.
The problem with Covid 19 is that everyone is going to get it around the same time, which will overwhelm the healthcare system. It's not that it's more deadly than flu, just that there's no vaccine and it's spreading like wildfire.
Hmm Fauci was just on cringe feminist Lilly Singh’s podcast saying how dangerous covid-19 is and how it is NOT just the seasonal flu. So he seems to be giving some conflicting opinions. He talks about it here at at around the 3:00 minute mark:
I don't think Fauci is giving conflicting opinions. The OP (and the OANN article he apparently cited in his title) is misrepresenting what Fauci wrote in the NEJM article. See my comment here:
Yes that's the mortality rate but what happens when the hospitals are overrun like they are in NY? The death toll rises tremendously because that mortality rate is built upon. The fact that we all get the care we need. 1 in 5 people will need to be hospitalized that get infected why didn't you post that as well?
Not enough tests are being done (all over the world). So it's impossible to know anything about numbers at all.
Millions of people around the world could have it and only have mild symptoms or even never know they had it.
I'm no expert but I doubt this many people died of seasonal flu last year over this short period of time. As that would have been classed a "flu pandemic".
Hospitalization rate. 42M estimated flu cases and 650k were hospitalized.
104k confirmed KungWuflu cases in US. Columbia University finds 86% cases are asymptomatic or mild, thus don't qualify to get tested. 742k estimated cases.
How many are hospitalized I have no clue.
However in FL 91.2% of all tested don't have it, so the hospitalization rate is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Why can't Google just give me an arbitrary number, guess you're going to have to research it but let me know what you find because I'm genuinely curious.
Once we hit 650k confirmed cases we might be a bit closer to your hospitalization rate comparatively to the flu.
I think the biggest factor is the hydroxycholorquine and zpak, so they don't deteriorate to the point of needing ventilators.
spez: FL has 3763 confirmed cases and 527 hospitalized about 14% hospitalization rate, NOT including the 28,000 who have it and don't know it because this is a mostly nonlethal virus. 2% H.R
Ironically enough the same percentage of people who show symptoms.
We don't run out because we've never had an engineered flu designed to attack the lungs. Trump's scaling up but remember this rush is in response to very deliberately skewed data. Now the ball is rolling and we're going to sell the spares to other countries.
If nothing is done, death toll skyrockets because people requiring ventilation in hospitals won't have it available. Death rate is low with the measures being taken right now. Look at Italy numbers if you want to see what the virus can do. They shut down the entire county and still people die at higher rate than flu. And that's with a full country shutdown!
My fam works in a few hospitals, this thing is not nice to old people and morbidly obese people. It kills them. Please just let what's happening last for a few weeks because it's very deadly to a weaker portion of the population. Not everyone. But if left unchecked it would spread to everyone and kill many, many people.
Italy has the second oldest population on Earth besides Japan, and they year in and year out get hit hard as hell by respiratory diseases such that it is the subject of study. Don't look at Italy to see what it will do here for a number of different reasons. It's my pet peeve that people keep bringing them up.
Right but your family that works in hospitals also knows that these very same people get wrecked by a,b,c, influenza, pneumonia, colds and a dozen other things that will definitely not be nice on them.
And really keep in mind, Corona surely won't be an 'Extra'. It's not like they were certainly not getting those other things but now this 'added' thing came in. Instead Corona wrecks them this year but next year another flu and next year another and so on.
Of course, we have to wait until next year to tally things up but what they may very well see is: No ADDED deaths overall.
the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
The 1957 influenza pandemic was called the ASIAN flu and originated in China. It was spread via wild ducks to humans. Color me SHOCKED!
I posted the article on Facebook. Didn’t show up on any friends or family members feeds. They posted it, it didn’t show up either. Why would Facebook be suppressing an article from literally the most trusted medical journal in the world? 🤔
Because they can almost see the finish line. Once Nazi Pelosi crams the "vote by mail" and "Ballot harvesting" through they will make a calamity out of Ohio, Michigan, and PA in order to fraud by mail. Never forget that in 2014 150% of the people eligible to vote in Philadelphia voted for Obama, and some precincts voted 100% for Obama (practically impossible that even Mitt Romney didn't get at least one vote). So this is not about a virus this is about voter fraud. DMC Governors outlawing cures for the disease is your first clue!
Folks, even if the death rate was the EXACT SAME as the flu, it's still more deadly, THIS YEAR.
People seem to be missing the point that we have zero antibodies to fight this virus, so its transmissible at a level that we rarely see. Meaning that most of our population could contract the disease in such a small time frame that our hospitals and emergency response teams couldn't handle the load(and they'd likely contract the disease, as well).
This would "artificially" spike the death rate, and we would have a real tragedy on our hands.
Further, I thought we trusted the president, here? He's been saying these exact things, and a number of our community just dont seem to believe it. Bit of a contradiction to the very thing our community was built for.
The mortality rate with hospitals overwhelmed is not the same as when they aren't. And unlike the flu, this corona virus DOES have the capacity to overwhelm, at which point the mortality rises SHARPLY.
Why do I have to fucking reign in you mother fuckers AND the retard 'end of the world' libs on reddit??
I looked at some states and positive to death rates were 2%. It’s much higher than .28% already.
This is fake news.
Edit: this site shows it is at 1.5% will raise slightly as more infected die.
https://covidtracking.com/data/
Edit: we don’t take into account the cases that aren’t diagnosed so it’s much lower than 1.5%
Heck, I hate to say it, but it's still cold in Minnesota and this quarantine is giving me a great excuse to be lazy and just chill out at home. I'm getting tons of Spring Cleaning done and enjoying catching up on my TV shows! And I have a great excuse not to have to go out and socialize! lol
The population makeup of the US and Italy are vastly different. Italy is old, they all smoke, they are much closer physically and they have a ton more immigrants. Italy also does not have the medical capacity we do.
First of all, Spain is more similar to Italy than they are the US in terms of population makeup.
How many had the infection but were asymptomatic? Using only the current positive tests for the death rate is bad science because you’re neglecting all of the people who have the virus but aren’t showing symptoms in your death rate.
Very few people who tested positive for covid on the Grand Princess or the other cruise ships were asymptomatic. The percentage of asymptomatic cases in this pandemic is probably far far lower than you're estimating.
The goalpost didn't move. There could be no more direct reply to your question.
And read your own link
Among 3,711 Diamond Princess passengers and crew, 712 (19.2%) had positive test results for SARS-CoV-2 (Figure 1). Of these, 331 (46.5%) were asymptomatic at the time of testing. Among 381 symptomatic patients, 37 (9.7%) required intensive care, and nine *(1.3%) died( (8)
Again, a > 1% death rate in a highly contained well studied cruise ship outbreak where everyone was throughly tested. Over 1 fucking percent with 10% requiring intensive care. This isn't just another flu season.
that document died not contain "28" anywhere for what it's worth. he said it's likely that it's closer to the flu, but that's all
This post if borderline fake news. Thanks for pointing it out.
It appears the OP read this OANN article:
https://www.oann.com/dr-anthony-fauci-backtracks-on-deadliness-of-virus/
Which claims:
I included the embedded link to the NEJM article the OP linked in this post.
The problem: the NEJM article doesn't say what the OANN article claims. OANN appears to have added "making it roughly 0.28 percent," but I can't even find anything in the article where Fauci (or any other author of the article) "conceded" anything like what it claims.
If someone can find such a concession, please reply to me and quote the entire sentence, in context. I'll edit my comment.
Truth is the virus barely touches what the flu haS already done, with the exception of what trump has used it for.
The only citation of 1.4% in the article is from a Chinese article:
Footnote #5 is the cited article:
Deaths divided by confirmed cases is not the death percentage. Deaths divided by recovered patients is the death percentage.
Are we reddit now?
If the rate is that low, why is the country shut down? Does this mean the country will always be shut down? Flu returns every year.
Efficiency of transmission, asymptomatic transmission yields community spread, novel virus
Flu is kept in check by herd immunity and vaccines.
Yeah, the repeated vaccines are a pain in the ass, and it does take multiple vaccines to get a good, broad spread of immunity to the newer ones. But, the point still stands, whether you want to acknowledge it, or not.
I don't disagree, libs want the economy to crumble to hurt Trump, this is verifiable as many have already admitted it. Plus we know that some Senators shorted stocks.
But what I still can't figure out is why this is happening in most countries? This explains why the US is shutting down, but what about say Canada? Or small countries like Panama? Or why Boris shut it down?
There has to be more to it.
Of all the liberties we lost on 9/11, how many have we gotten back? Zero...
That's right. And we've lost far more over this.
The thing is, were past the point of containing this virus.
The government is just doing what they can to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed.
People are wrongly thinking the quarantine is until the virus is no longer a threat, IT IS NOT.
The quarantine is to limit the amount of people having to use medical services and overwhelming them.
Once we are over the peak, we will go back to work.
You MAY still catch Covid-19, because it will now always exist.. but if you do, and you go critical, the hospitals will have capacity to treat you.
Many people think this quarantine is to make the virus die out, it's not. You can't close Pandora's box. The virus exists and we now all have to live with that going forward.
Most people have probably already caught it. Hospitals weren't overwhelmed.
Viruses like this do die out. They are not genetically diverse. They mutate and die.
When does this reaction stop?
1.25 million people per year die in road accidents. Should we shut down roads and driving?
In 2016 there were on average 102 deaths per day in the US due to road crashes. COVID19 killed 109 today, so its not exactly way less. And it isn't at its peak yet.
In the past 3 days in Spain, there have been 2,240 deaths due to coronavirus. In their entire year of 2013, they had 1,923 deaths due to road deaths. So in 3 days they had more deaths than an entire year of driving deaths. Not trying to fear monger but thats just a reality, its clearly more dangerous than driving if you look at that stat.
So we've shut down the country with a death rate that's about the same as that of road deaths. Will the country have to remain shut down to avoid road deaths?
Well if it stays like this, 109 deaths per day, we will go back to normal and everyone will have their jobs back. But if you just do the same as normal, you will end up like spain where there is over 100 times more deaths from COVID than there are from road deaths (625 deaths today from COVID, 5 per day average from road deaths in 2013).
If we had 100-150 times more road deaths per year in the US, we would definitely be doin something about it..
You used the numbers from Spain to try to make a point about the U.S.
In the U.S., China Flu deaths are not 100-150 times more than road deaths. World wide, there are 1.25 million road deaths a year. World wide, China Flu deaths are not 100-150 times more than road deaths.
My point is that if you don't have any lockdowns at all, you are likely to end up like Spain, which didn't do anything until the problem got very bad.
China and India have done lockdowns and the spread of the virus has stopped increasing. They make up 1/2 of the worlds road deaths. If they had not put everyone into quarantine, the china flu deaths would be worse.
Basically I am saying if you do what you are saying, which it seems is 'dont do anything, road deaths are higher and we do nothing' then the COVID deaths will continue to rise, and surpass road deaths which is exactly what happened in Spain.
Right now in the US they are the same as road deaths, but that would increase if we did nothing. Why would we not end up like Spain if we did nothing and let things continue as normal.
COVID19 killed 2000 yesterday in US. Thats 20x more than average deaths per day from road crashes (102), and that is with a lockdown
What lock down? In most places, everyone is congregating to one location - the local grocery store. The "lock downs" couldn't have been designed better to make sure everyone is exposed to a virus.
because we did not know what the rate was 2 weeks ago when the shutdown started, and we did not want to experience what Wuhan and Italy went through where people were being denied hospital care and dieing.I am sure Trump will take the new data into consideration for the path forward, but the reaction so far by the federal government seems reasonable to me.
Chicago closing all its outdoor areas so people can’t go outside seems reasonable to you?
Is Chicago the Federal government?
lol. No. I missed that part. :)
Fauci needs to state that a couple of times at each press briefing over the next week.
Title is misleading. Fauci says mortality is "considerably less than 1%" but does not cite 0.28%
Not even, he says "MAY be considerably less than 1%." And this was written back in February.
Cite it then
Thanks for the link. See my reply to the OP, as the OANN article has some "issues".
Nowhere in the New England Journal report does it cite the 0.28% that OANN uses. I wonder where they got that figure?
The math is a little hand wavy but I see what they did. I do think the distinction needs to be made that this is OANN’s interpretation and this statistic itself was not published in the journal.
The OANN article says:
The NEJM article is the one you linked.
The problem is: Fauci didn't concede anything. I'm not finding anything that even says "twice". And if there is, OANN added the 0.28% on their own.
If anyone can find anything in the NEJM article that actually says what OANN claimed, please cite the entire sentence.
Press headline would read... "Trump braiwashed Dr, Fausi into releasing false and misleading mortality rates for devasting Coronavirus!"
The problem with Covid 19 is that everyone is going to get it around the same time, which will overwhelm the healthcare system. It's not that it's more deadly than flu, just that there's no vaccine and it's spreading like wildfire.
Hmm Fauci was just on cringe feminist Lilly Singh’s podcast saying how dangerous covid-19 is and how it is NOT just the seasonal flu. So he seems to be giving some conflicting opinions. He talks about it here at at around the 3:00 minute mark:
Dr. Fauci on Lilly Singh
Methinks Tony just likes the limelight
Of course. What it’s all about. Every single american is listening to this guy. It’s the pinnacle of his life
He wants to be Time’s Person of the Year
I don't think Fauci is giving conflicting opinions. The OP (and the OANN article he apparently cited in his title) is misrepresenting what Fauci wrote in the NEJM article. See my comment here:
https://thedonald.win/p/FMJb15Xw/x/c/HEq114uE
Yes that's the mortality rate but what happens when the hospitals are overrun like they are in NY? The death toll rises tremendously because that mortality rate is built upon. The fact that we all get the care we need. 1 in 5 people will need to be hospitalized that get infected why didn't you post that as well?
That's not the, more research finds out only survives 3 to four hours. That 9 day falsehood comes from an assumption
The virus was found alive on the Japanese cruise ship over 14 days after they evacuated the passengers.
However, that doesn't mean it was able to infect someone.
Most people don't even know they have it and they're asymptomatic. Why the hell would they go to the hospital?
95% mild symptoms
So let’s burn the economy and shut down everything and no school until May and send all college kids home...
Not enough tests are being done (all over the world). So it's impossible to know anything about numbers at all.
Millions of people around the world could have it and only have mild symptoms or even never know they had it.
I'm no expert but I doubt this many people died of seasonal flu last year over this short period of time. As that would have been classed a "flu pandemic".
https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/
647,000 were hospitalized from the flu over 21 weeks but they expected 959,000
61,500 died but expected 80k
This is fear porn.
OK just so you understand, you ready?
Hospitalization rate. 42M estimated flu cases and 650k were hospitalized.
104k confirmed KungWuflu cases in US. Columbia University finds 86% cases are asymptomatic or mild, thus don't qualify to get tested. 742k estimated cases.
How many are hospitalized I have no clue.
However in FL 91.2% of all tested don't have it, so the hospitalization rate is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Why can't Google just give me an arbitrary number, guess you're going to have to research it but let me know what you find because I'm genuinely curious.
Once we hit 650k confirmed cases we might be a bit closer to your hospitalization rate comparatively to the flu.
I think the biggest factor is the hydroxycholorquine and zpak, so they don't deteriorate to the point of needing ventilators.
spez: FL has 3763 confirmed cases and 527 hospitalized about 14% hospitalization rate, NOT including the 28,000 who have it and don't know it because this is a mostly nonlethal virus. 2% H.R
Ironically enough the same percentage of people who show symptoms.
We don't run out because we've never had an engineered flu designed to attack the lungs. Trump's scaling up but remember this rush is in response to very deliberately skewed data. Now the ball is rolling and we're going to sell the spares to other countries.
If nothing is done, death toll skyrockets because people requiring ventilation in hospitals won't have it available. Death rate is low with the measures being taken right now. Look at Italy numbers if you want to see what the virus can do. They shut down the entire county and still people die at higher rate than flu. And that's with a full country shutdown!
My fam works in a few hospitals, this thing is not nice to old people and morbidly obese people. It kills them. Please just let what's happening last for a few weeks because it's very deadly to a weaker portion of the population. Not everyone. But if left unchecked it would spread to everyone and kill many, many people.
Italy has the second oldest population on Earth besides Japan, and they year in and year out get hit hard as hell by respiratory diseases such that it is the subject of study. Don't look at Italy to see what it will do here for a number of different reasons. It's my pet peeve that people keep bringing them up.
They also smoke a lot.
And suck each other’s faces
Buh-buh-buh sumwun dink uf muh octogenarians with multiple prior health conditions that weren't going to make it to the end of the year regardless.
Also they have a socialist healthcare system and death panels are in full effect, suck it libs.
Good thing we aren't Italy. Why the fuck can't seemingly smart people not understand that?
Some parts of our country are very similar in their lack of caring. Check out the videos of people in crowds in NY.
I can’t believe how many people are falling for this narrative
Ah sweet sweet single payer and death panels
Coming to a Socialist shithole near you!
Right but your family that works in hospitals also knows that these very same people get wrecked by a,b,c, influenza, pneumonia, colds and a dozen other things that will definitely not be nice on them.
And really keep in mind, Corona surely won't be an 'Extra'. It's not like they were certainly not getting those other things but now this 'added' thing came in. Instead Corona wrecks them this year but next year another flu and next year another and so on.
Of course, we have to wait until next year to tally things up but what they may very well see is: No ADDED deaths overall.
Nope, there is NO OTHER fatal risks in this world other than COVID 19, Blrumph, and scary black assault fully semi auto bazookas
The 1957 influenza pandemic was called the ASIAN flu and originated in China. It was spread via wild ducks to humans. Color me SHOCKED!
I posted the article on Facebook. Didn’t show up on any friends or family members feeds. They posted it, it didn’t show up either. Why would Facebook be suppressing an article from literally the most trusted medical journal in the world? 🤔
Why is there a translate to Chinese option? Why is it the only option?
Because they can almost see the finish line. Once Nazi Pelosi crams the "vote by mail" and "Ballot harvesting" through they will make a calamity out of Ohio, Michigan, and PA in order to fraud by mail. Never forget that in 2014 150% of the people eligible to vote in Philadelphia voted for Obama, and some precincts voted 100% for Obama (practically impossible that even Mitt Romney didn't get at least one vote). So this is not about a virus this is about voter fraud. DMC Governors outlawing cures for the disease is your first clue!
If we weren't taking down the deep state with this we would all be working and going about our normal lives. Trump used this well.
https://youtu.be/ARt9HV9T0w8
🎶 I will survive 🎼
I guess Trump finally got to him...
Folks, even if the death rate was the EXACT SAME as the flu, it's still more deadly, THIS YEAR.
People seem to be missing the point that we have zero antibodies to fight this virus, so its transmissible at a level that we rarely see. Meaning that most of our population could contract the disease in such a small time frame that our hospitals and emergency response teams couldn't handle the load(and they'd likely contract the disease, as well).
This would "artificially" spike the death rate, and we would have a real tragedy on our hands.
Further, I thought we trusted the president, here? He's been saying these exact things, and a number of our community just dont seem to believe it. Bit of a contradiction to the very thing our community was built for.
God damn people. Morbidity NOT mortality!!!
Stop being retarded.
The mortality rate with hospitals overwhelmed is not the same as when they aren't. And unlike the flu, this corona virus DOES have the capacity to overwhelm, at which point the mortality rises SHARPLY.
Why do I have to fucking reign in you mother fuckers AND the retard 'end of the world' libs on reddit??
I looked at some states and positive to death rates were 2%. It’s much higher than .28% already. This is fake news. Edit: this site shows it is at 1.5% will raise slightly as more infected die. https://covidtracking.com/data/
Edit: we don’t take into account the cases that aren’t diagnosed so it’s much lower than 1.5%
No. Because we don’t know the number of Covid-19 cases as many are asymptomatic or only have mild cases and don’t even get tested.
Ok I see your point. Let’s end this damn quarantine already.
Heck, I hate to say it, but it's still cold in Minnesota and this quarantine is giving me a great excuse to be lazy and just chill out at home. I'm getting tons of Spring Cleaning done and enjoying catching up on my TV shows! And I have a great excuse not to have to go out and socialize! lol
Mods, you got to deport this type of shit to keep site integrity. Bring out the ban hammer if you must
What we saw in Italy was not and is not just another flu season.
The population makeup of the US and Italy are vastly different. Italy is old, they all smoke, they are much closer physically and they have a ton more immigrants. Italy also does not have the medical capacity we do.
And the epicenter within Italy has 300,000 Chinese illegals.
Yep, I remember seeing in some thread that there were daily flights to that area from none other than Wuhan.
The fear mongering seems to be based on incomplete data and circular logic.
Fine, use Spains numbers. 72k known infections, 5,400 dead.
This is not just the flu. Accross the board, we are seeing a seath rate > 1% of known cases.
First of all, Spain is more similar to Italy than they are the US in terms of population makeup.
How many had the infection but were asymptomatic? Using only the current positive tests for the death rate is bad science because you’re neglecting all of the people who have the virus but aren’t showing symptoms in your death rate.
Very few people who tested positive for covid on the Grand Princess or the other cruise ships were asymptomatic. The percentage of asymptomatic cases in this pandemic is probably far far lower than you're estimating.
Moving the goalposts again. And you’re wrong, nearly half of the positive tests on Diamond Princess were asymptomatic.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm
The goalpost didn't move. There could be no more direct reply to your question.
And read your own link
Among 3,711 Diamond Princess passengers and crew, 712 (19.2%) had positive test results for SARS-CoV-2 (Figure 1). Of these, 331 (46.5%) were asymptomatic at the time of testing. Among 381 symptomatic patients, 37 (9.7%) required intensive care, and nine *(1.3%) died( (8)
Again, a > 1% death rate in a highly contained well studied cruise ship outbreak where everyone was throughly tested. Over 1 fucking percent with 10% requiring intensive care. This isn't just another flu season.
While I agree that this post need to be removed, it's not because of a comparison to Italy.
This post misrepresents what Fauci wrote.
Wait.. how do you know Italy isn't just another flu season?
How many people die with the flu every year in Italy?