When someone took 25% of your money, and then gives 2% of it back. "Stimulus"!
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more like someone takes 25% of your money and gives 2% back to someone else that paid nothing.
I still think its a good idea regardless or the meme value it generates
The real question is how you can profit off $300b in $1-3k checks, its not like everyone is going to buy stock with it like they probably should.
Nah, they are gonna go buy bs to relieve the depression they have caused by the lockdown - but I'll be great for the economy, especially if they spend locally, and don't buy shit from China owned businesses.
At least the weed I'll buy with it will be American weed.
Yeah, me too.
I'll buy more weed stocks
Pot head gamers are the true backbone of America. Keep that sperm count low, boys.
I have 4 kids and 5 grand kids. Just because your boys can't swim Don't blame weed
Need something to do while I'm cooped up inside.
Sometimes all we need is just a little bit of tegrity
Yeah, those dank vapes were sketchy as fuck. Good thing prohibition is proven to work!
Just remember, you can only shoot one at a time!
Well, maybe two.....
I think you underestimate American ingenuity.
These feet aren’t going to arm themselves....
Lol, exact same dilemma here. Guns or tools.
I desperately want to blow mine on a new computer, and a resin printer... but I'm gonna be responsible, and spend it on vehicle repairs, and a date night with the wife somewhere fancy.
Heard that. Going to pay off my car loan so I can ditch that monthly cost.
Took a 5 year loan, made into a 4 year loan with extra payments, now paid off in three years. Winning.
darn, you got something g there. What if millions bought guns with that money Nd we all bragged about it. They'd all go insane...er insaner.
But all the stores are empty (:
I'm buying Chinese shit. At least China isn't trying to destroy itself.
Just tried to destroy everything on earth with their Xi Jingplague.
Heh. Maybe.
Fuck off faggot
eloquent
You mean like how their policies are a 1:1 with WWII Germany? Including committing genocide on their own people and being an ethnostate?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hubei-residents-riot-after-quarantine-lifted-police-beaten-their-own-shield-cop-cars
Funny how the media is fine with that, huh?
What does the media have to do with you being a twat?
You're as smart as the average journalist!
That statement is Chinese batshit crazy.
Wuflu kills peoples worldwide, whilst killing own people too.
Wuflu destroys livelihoods of peoples worldwide, whilst already accomplishing that to own people, via communism!
I'm just glad people noticed. I was beginning to worry. Worth the loss of points to check. :)
Good grief, dude. They closed some stores for a couple weeks, produced some needed medical supplies, and gave people an advance on a tax credit they were going to get anyway next year. It's not the end of the Republic.
Nah, just a few trillion dollars and a little bit of martial law that ends the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments. No biggie.
But it doesn't "end" those things. I think you're right to be suspicious and concerned, but these haven't ended. We're in an extraordinary situation. It's only been two weeks. Even if it ends up being two months...that's really a blip on the radar. If they're still doing this stuff when the virus threat has passed, I'll be right here with you, but as of yet, I think it's a little premature to be talking about the total collapse of the American way.
Just a little violation of your rights is fine. Got it. I'll be over to steal your shit shortly.
Alright, calm down there Ron Paul. You know, I have a right I be in my back yard, but if the cops were chasing a perp through the neighborhood and told me to stay inside, I wouldn’t be like “f you pig, I’m barbecuing!” It’s not the end of the world.
Look at the downvotes! Here's another one even though I LOLed.
The theory here is that people who couldn't work, especially restaurants, barbers, whatever, could not get paid. They have rent due. True or not, the money is supposed to cover (some of) your monthly costs while you were "forced" to stay home.
It really is that simple.
Yeah some of these people didn’t. Pay taxes but a lot of us that got laid off from our jobs pay taxes so we are looking at it as getting our own money back.
Only 25%? Well gather 'round, folks, and let me tell you a tale of a place called Canada, where we lose 50-60% of our income to tax, then are told we can't work, then are given $3.7b CAD in relief, AND THE PEOPLE REJOICE.
What they don't realize is Canada is going to want to replenish that $3.7b right away and will raise taxes even further to do it. I'm seriously considering moving to the USA and bringing my business down there when the borders open up. Canada has beautiful nature but terrible policy.
25% is too much for a Hongkonger, let alone 50%.
(In Hong Kong, salary tax is capped at 15%)
Besides the US I’ve never seen more beautiful country than in the Great White North. Some truly nice people too. It’s unfortunate your government is so full of stupid.
People elect governments.
Unfortunately dead people also seem to vote here and they're all democrats. Brain dead people, physically dead people, morally dead people....
Dumb people generally are also very nice :)
You're not wrong about people electing governments, but we have zero say in who our national party representatives are. The political parties choose their leaders, we only vote for the party we want in our local area. If enough of that party wins enough areas, their leader is now Prime Minister, which is one reason Trudeau got in even after the SNC Lavalin scandal.
Michigan is practically Canada, especially northern LP / UP, and we need all the pedes we can get.
Progressive policies apply, but not to the same degree. Might be a soft landing?
I once met a couple from Michigan over a bowl of clam chowder in Seattle. They seemed very nice, almost Canadian.
Can I exercise 2A there? What are taxes like? How is it to run a business? Is pot legal there? I WANT TO WEAR A SPACE FORCE HAT!
Open carry state, very much 2A. Taxes on par with Rust belt, not the lowest in the nation, though. Legal weed, starting a second business as we speak. father ran his own business for 25 years. state and fed never stop finding ways to get their hands in your pocket, but pretty typical. Think income/tax rates for the state are roughly 10-12%.
Come on down! And from Detroit you can look south to CA!
Not bad! I will seriously consider MI, I was for some reason under the impression that it was a blue state and thus a democrat shithole where I pay all the money and receive none of the benefit. I am gladdened to know this is not the case. I have family in Windsor, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to live in Detroit. Any other recommended cities/counties in MI?
It’s a swing state, by no means decidedly blue.
I wouldn’t recommend Detroit either, just a fun little anecdote that you can look south to Canada, eh?
The further away from Detroit you go, the more red it gets. Aside from maybe Lansing. Grand Rapids is streaked with blue, but most business there posted up shop because detroit was too blue.
Avoid Detroit and Ann Arbor, and that makes up 80%+ of lefties* here.
Are you looking for more rural, suburban or urban?
And without getting too specific, what line of business are you in?
Also: hockey rinks per capita is a nice little reminder of home.
This makes MI sound more and more appealing. Seems like Canada with less cuckery.
I've always lived urban, though I wouldn't mind rural as long as I could have at least one office in a city. I need some bustle for my hustle sometimes. Suburban always makes me think of entitled brats who are way too sheltered from reality, so I generally try to stay away from there.
As for what line of business, I'm doing e-commerce for artisans, beginning with blacksmiths. I know a fair bit about running a 3D printing business so I will be building my second one within 4 years as well. How does the state treat manufacturers?
An aside: Not really a huge fan of hockey. Love fresh maple syrup as much as the next Canadian as well as grew up hunting deer, duck, goose, and rabbit (yet to hunt moose even though it is delicious). Putting gravy and cheese curds on fries is delicious. American friends tell me they never hear anyone say "eh" as much as I do even though it only comes out once in a blue moon. I believe in self-sufficiency through trade in primary industry being the backbone of any society with natural resources. But hockey is only of mild entertainment value to me. I know I'll catch flak for this but I much prefer CFL even though it is becoming more cucked (read: fixed) every year.
Michigan sounds great. What's their stance on crypto?
Not sure on crypto- as I’ve never dabbled. But in terms of hunting, you’d be right at home. Moose is protected, but pretty much everything else worth filling your freezer with, is on the menu. Large hunting population, and no shortage of mossy oak. Fishing is also exceptional.
No worries on hockey- just a product of proximity from the mitten to Canada.
I’ve been told I sound Canadian and it gets more pronounced the closer I am to the rink locker room or upper peninsula. Especially fond of the “eh” and the “bud”.
Grew up watching Mr. Dressup on CBC, and caught hockey night in Canada with Grapes often. Nice little product of sharing a north and east border.
In terms of manufacturing, that’s in MI’s blood. Environmental regs have changed with the times a bit, but the desire to produce has not wavered since the glory days of the Motor City and WW2.
I’m thinking you’d be right at home either close to Grand Rapids/western side of the state for more urban, or UP in Marquette for artisan commerce with a more rural vibe.
Smaller towns in northern lower peninsula, but charming in their own right and great for a weekend snow mobile trip or rip on the boat.
ORV trails are exquisite, some of the best in the country, what we lack in elevation we make up for in maintenance and quantity.
Folks have a cottage outside Petoskey, I can get anywhere on my dirt bike in the northern mitten without ever traversing a public highway. It’s pretty awesome.
In general the state is very dedicated to outdoor recreating, and has never lost sight of that, despite Detroit’s lack of understanding what MIchigans beauty and coastlines have to offer
Texas has what you need, fren. 0% state income tax, very good business incentives, castle doctrine (2A stuff), and considering all the Commiefornians being imported we could use more Pedes.
Alot of those Californians are taxpaying pedes. Now your southern border counties form a solid blue wall of its own. I wonder why?
Texas is one of my top choices for the reasons you've listed. How do they manage to go on with 0% state income tax? I'm coming from a place where NOTHING is not taxed at least once, so I'm genuinely curious how that works.
It is hard to find outdoor shooting ranges (over 50 Yards) in parts of south east Michigan though without being a member of a club that requires you to work there some.
Got stuck in michigan for the summer of 2015. Lot of great people there. Shittiest roads in the entire country though.
Just stay far, far away from Detroit at all costs.
Drove through the upper peninsula in 2017 too, absolutely beautiful place.
It's not really only 25%. It's 25% in federal income tax, and 15.3% in federal payroll taxes, and an average of 4% in state income taxes, and an average of 6% in state and local sales taxes, and excise taxes on gasoline, and property tax for anyone who owns, or that bundled into rent for anyone who doesn't, and ---
Upper middle class Americans and upward pay about 50% of their income in taxes, and other middle class Americans pay about 33% of their income in taxes. The sainted poor pay nothing in income taxes - half of all filers - but do pay payroll if employed and sales when they eat and so forth, for maybe 15% total.
I was pretty butthurt as well, but did some mental gymnastics so the bitterness doesn't give me more wrinkles. The welfare crowd will buy lobsters, beer, and TV's with their 5 grand, so it will go back into the economy. Maybe some drugs here and there, but they mostly blow money on shit like leasing a sports car and driving it until it's repoed.
I'm sticking my $1200 into my savings account, so not doing my part to stimulate the economy.
Taxation is theft.
If we were all stolen from equally, it wouldn't be egregious. But when you take more from some so you can GIVE to others, that's way out of line.
So how is the government supposed to do anything if all taxation is theft?
Imagine how stimulated we'd be if we got to keep 100% of our money.
No shit. I got my yearly bonus. 32% goddamn of it went to taxes. I normally only pay 25% of my check towards taxes. Fuckers
Income tax is a joke. Insane taxes on yearly bonuses/sign-on bonuses and overtime is even more of a joke. It's all theft.
The 2% isn't the money they took from you, at all!
The Reserve is printing NEW money, which devalues the 75% you have left!
THEN, the government gives you $1200 which may or may not even get you back up to the 75% mark, depending on how much you actually make!
This really pisses me off. Inflation, redistribution, all of it!
Inflation is taking money from me. But yes your point is accurate. It’s not your same dollar coming back. It’s the future dollar that belongs to your children that they are stealing from to fill your pocket today.
Now make that 25% say 38% and make that 2% say zero. Donald lost some of my support.
Trump didn’t enact these taxes you idiot. Grow the fuck up. You can’t be in the 38% tax bracket and be that stupid can you?
The fact that a lot of people are getting some % back is basically Trump saying “if we lower taxes we can survive and thrive better” - the precedent set is what matters. So if this is successful it says something about taxes. The OP post is about “hey look the more money people keep from their hard work the easier it is for them to survive a crisis”.
You basically said “Donald” lost some support from you because he effectively lowered taxes on a lot of people.
To that I say gtfo, cuck.
And if you think this stimulus is anything but a redistribution of wealth from those that earned it to those that haven't then you're the "cuck". This stimulus is the definitely of socialism asshat.
You're both wrong, because this 'stimulus' isn't coming from taxes at all! The Fed is devaluing the dollar by printing new money and flooding it into the market, which means the 75% (or whatever) you have left after taxes is worth even less due to the sudden inflation.
More than one thing is intertwined. It is many things, however at its core is people have some of their money back. Only those who had such a low income that they never paid $1200 in taxes in their entire life are not seeing a tax reduction and are having wealth 'redistributed' to them. By, I would mention, all the people who have ever worked. Not just you. Not just wealthy people. There's no 'share' of the government honey pot that is allocated from any one of us.
Not to mention all the future taxes everyone will pay; your point about it being redistribution fails unless the vast majority of people receiving this money have never been, and will never, pay more than $1200 in taxes in their entire life. You're an idiot.
Taking money from one person and giving it to another person is redistribution. It's pretty simple. Take it in the past, take it now, or take it later... All the same. Since more than 40% of Americans didn't pay taxes last year but will still get a check, I think you should be able to see how this isn't a fiscally conservative or fair stimulus. You seem to just want to say random things and call me an idiot though.
I guess you fail to understand that every single person pays some form of taxes in excess of $1200 over their entire life. You’re an idiot for thinking it is redistribution like it comes out of someone’s pocket and not everyone’s pocket. The reality is money back to people’s pockets is a tax reduction.
If you paid $1000 in tax so far because you’re 18, does not mean that you’re not going to have paid $200k+ in tax by the time you’re 65.
If you’re older and making more money right now congrats. You’ve already paid maybe $100k in tax and getting 1.2% of that back is a tax reduction you annual-minded idiot.
The gov printing money steals money from the future workforce to pay debts today. Inflation is the problem here. Regardless of that this is in any way you look at it a tax reduction. It’s just too complex for people who obsess over their yearly return to figure out I guess. The same people who lose confidence in Trump over fucking taxes which were never signed by him that he cannot his eliminate and it’s up to you to petition congress to change. So If it matters to you do something about it don’t sling cuckoldry because you feel like Trump should have somehow prevented tax policy from before he was president.
Sure. Except not everyone is getting a check. The ones not getting a check paid significantly more into the system than the ones that are. That's redistributing my wealth to someone that through taxation.
Only if you’re pea brained enough to think you’re more entitled to that money than they are. You’re thinking that by paying more total you’re somehow giving the poor people their own money back. Like you’re some fucking saint. When instead you’re trash. It’s not your money they are receiving. It is their own - or their children’s money borrowed against them with inflation.
An entitled brat and an idiot.
If you do not get a tax reduction with this check then again, do something about it, cuck, instead of saying you lose faith in ‘Donald’. And saying that people who earn less are somehow not as worthy of receiving their now money back. That you had something to do with it. So dumb.
More like 60% and 0.00%
The government takes 60% of my mo way and I get 0 benefit from the government.
Fuck the government.
25%? I wish. I lose like 45%!!
Add on more for sales tax
Weez dipshits
In my case, it's take 25% of my money and give me nothing, then ask for my additional voluntary financial support.
Why? Because republicans don't have the slightest idea how to help their own supporters. They go way out of their way to help everyone who hates them, and to avoid helping anyone who supports them if they can tell them apart. They think this will make them more popular and spare them charges of favoritism. As a fact, it gets them called racist nazi bigots 24-7-365 on every channel.
They take 30% of mine and give 1% back.
Iz haz cheezbrugr?
What I'm mad about is that a couple making 150k gets a check,
While a single person making 99k-150k gets shit on and gets nothing.
150k is about worth 70k when you live in NYC. It goes along way for the wife and I. Also leaving this shit hole today, should have never moved here.
Why do people move to liberal cities? Please explain. I'm from CA and hate this state. I will probably die without ever owning a home. I can't wait until I save enough to buy a house in cash in another state
I lived in Los Angeles for 4 years in a tiny one bedroom apartment with like, 500 other people smashed on top of me. Now I live in TN. Still have illegals, but at least I can have a house with a yard and some goddamn breathing room. You can get a decent 3 bedroom here for about $200K.
Yea that sounds way better, in Cali you can get a crap 2bed 1bath for $500K
Except they aren't giving me a dime.
Stimulus!! Like a “tax break.”
“We are gonna steal less from you.”
We should have no income tax for the duration of the quarantine, if they want they can raise property taxes so the rich bastards in California, foot the bill
You're definitely in a higher tax bracket than me.
Ya the "stimulus" check I will get doesn't cover half of the taxes I paid into the IRS last year.
It's a bullshit stimulus that shouldn't have been signed. This whole situation is a travesty.
I had to pay an extra $1000 this year in taxes, so I'm hoping to even that out... Could have just cut out the middle man and let me keep it.
I get more from my tax refund than I do from this stimulus.
lol they took more than that. for the first time ever I owed this year. $900!
basically what fucked us is cashing in 30 year savings bonds from our parents, and apparently one of my wifes jobs didnt withhold enough despite her using the default on her w4
I don’t get any money back because I earned too much last year. You’re welcome.
I also earned too much yet I lost my job and I won't get a check
I wish it was only 25%
Guys, I get that you're salty about having tax money "redistributed" to the masses but this is a one time thing for a very specific purpose in a very specific situation.
It's essentially economic first-aid on a traumatized economy. If you break your leg, you don't complain about having to shell out for medical treatment, right? (Well, if you're a lib-dem you do, but that's not us.)
Now every time a bad flu season rolls around we can expect task forces and closures so they can draft up more porky bills to beef up their future donors bank accounts under the guise of sTiMuLuS.
I think the fear porners are desensitized to a pandemic now. They will need a bigger, more traumatic event. Alien invasion?
I'm thinking mass casualty event. God forbid.
This is a possibility, but every tool can be misused. It depends on who's got the reins.
In my opinion, if he had opposed this (particularly with the bi-partisan support it received in Congress) it would have been politically damaging to him (particularly risky so close to election). I ultimately agree with your stance however.
Absolutely. He couldn't win. They would override the veto and make him look horrible.
Yeah, it's not always the answer. And that's defunitely a valid and possibly true opinion on this. Personally, I think it's necessary and possibly brilliant. It's like shooting starting fluid into an engine that's just about to stall.
Definitely true. So yes, that's where the blame lies, and they're the reason why we need this stimulus. At the same time, the solution (or first aid) shouldn't be seen as part of the problem. Rather it's a necessary defensive expense of the war.
I wish it was only 25%.
I'm just buying Boeing stock with it.
I paid $37k in taxes last year. That’s only including income tax.
I am getting a $0 stimulus check.
Hooray, unicorn money to match the unicorn virus!
If you don't like taxes move to somewhere with no taxes
I bet you don't
If you don’t upvote this post you are an absolute fucking cuck greater than spez.
This place is for supporting Trump, not mocking the actions hes taking in the interests of preventing another great depression.
Sorry if we feel the democrats have had so much leverage for the biggest socialist bill in the history of the World.
Any comment that ive made that says this bill was crap was pretty much deleted. Definitely not happy right now, I wonder what the admins are trying to do. Are we supporters not allowed to guide the president? Can we not ask that he be better directed? We all know that theres a boatload of deep state in Washington, can it be that he's getting advice from people that don't have this countries best interest in mind? I trust more the people in this forum more than the people in Washington my friends lets not self censor because we are the trump supporters and we have an obligation to help him
Lol. Yuck. Confirmation Bias Zone. We blast liberals for such groupthink.
Now it’s anti-Trump calling out this BULLSHIT stimulus?
We fight our whole lives getting folks like Massie in. Someone with a fucking engineering degree not some bullshit lawyer shit. And what do we do? We waste it. Waste it a pork-loaded Bill.
Who is this good for? How long? How many checks? When do you go back to work? When do we get time off since we’re the only ones working??