EXACTLY! We’ve had exactly 0 deaths from an overwhelmed medical system. 0. The whole goal was to keep that number low. No health systems are overburdened. We needed to keep it that way.
That’s what makes Hillary’s gloating about “deaths” all the worse - these are people who would have died either way.
0 deaths from an overloaded medical system, but over 3 million jobs lost from shutting down the economy, and trillions in value lost with no end in sight. How many people have killed themselves over this? More than 0, no doubt.
And all with no guarantee that the medical system would have ever been overloaded had we not cowered in fear.
I don’t think it was worth it at all. This thing was billed as being far more deadly than it has turned out to be.
But the original narrative was that a lot of people would get sick and die. Trump’s job was to “flatten the curve” so that hospitals could save all those possible. Trump has done that. And in fact, we can probably open back up most of the country and still do that.
Hillary gloats about dead Americans. Those are people that would have died anyway. She gloats over tragic deaths. But we haven’t been like Italy and had to ration health care, that was the fear - and Trump has been 100% successful.
This likely depends on the area you live in. In rural states the numbers are just starting to ramp up. I am fine with most employees & students working from home for now & those that are in manufacturing to get back as soon as they feel that the risk is worth it (compromised immune systems & elderly should probably wait for a little longer).
A gut feeling with no data, other than the current trends I have seen, is that once we can double or triple the number of respirators, masks & ventilators that we should be fine for everyone to get back. Late Spring/Early summer just seems right for 90+% to get back, but for now I don't see a reason healthy individuals with extra precautions as needed can't get back to the work that will put our country back on top with farming & manufacturing again.
I agree but we will need to see where the numbers top out. Right now they are still rising. The doom and gloom group think they will hit say 10k a day and last for 200 days..
I think its way more likely that we have somewhere between 60 - 120k deaths from this. A bad flu year is 60k. So pretty close to the flu. But untill the numbers plateau politicaly its going to be hard to restart things.
A prudent plan (to me) would be to bring the country back online in roughly reverse order by population density. So get the least dense states online first (those would be the flyover states, BTW). Quarantine some of the dense, populous, hot spots, and bring things online slowly. Slowly is the key, which is why terms like “it’s over by Easter” is not really correct.
But let’s start reversing the most onerous constraints by Easter and take things slowly. If we keep our old and vulnerable sequestered we should be in good shape.
You are right - it’ll be months before the last areas get back to normal, and when we all can once again pile into a crowded concert arena or dance floor is anyone’s guess.
But let’s not lose sight of the fact that the only goal here is not to overtax our hospitals. People will get sick, some will die. If they die because the hospital was too crowded to take them in, we screwed up.
But the other sicknesses are just part of the normal flu season, and are required if we, as a ‘hurd’, are to build up an immunity to it.
Flattening the curve was important because the people who are developing test kits, vaccines, and treatments have been well enough to do so. Now that this stuff is coming on line we can go back to work as soon as we have a steady supply of HQC and Azithromycin
EXACTLY! We’ve had exactly 0 deaths from an overwhelmed medical system. 0. The whole goal was to keep that number low. No health systems are overburdened. We needed to keep it that way.
That’s what makes Hillary’s gloating about “deaths” all the worse - these are people who would have died either way.
0 deaths from an overloaded medical system, but over 3 million jobs lost from shutting down the economy, and trillions in value lost with no end in sight. How many people have killed themselves over this? More than 0, no doubt.
And all with no guarantee that the medical system would have ever been overloaded had we not cowered in fear.
Totally worth it.
I don’t think it was worth it at all. This thing was billed as being far more deadly than it has turned out to be.
But the original narrative was that a lot of people would get sick and die. Trump’s job was to “flatten the curve” so that hospitals could save all those possible. Trump has done that. And in fact, we can probably open back up most of the country and still do that.
Hillary gloats about dead Americans. Those are people that would have died anyway. She gloats over tragic deaths. But we haven’t been like Italy and had to ration health care, that was the fear - and Trump has been 100% successful.
Now it’s time for us to get back to work.
Edit: changed “floats” to “gloats”
This likely depends on the area you live in. In rural states the numbers are just starting to ramp up. I am fine with most employees & students working from home for now & those that are in manufacturing to get back as soon as they feel that the risk is worth it (compromised immune systems & elderly should probably wait for a little longer).
A gut feeling with no data, other than the current trends I have seen, is that once we can double or triple the number of respirators, masks & ventilators that we should be fine for everyone to get back. Late Spring/Early summer just seems right for 90+% to get back, but for now I don't see a reason healthy individuals with extra precautions as needed can't get back to the work that will put our country back on top with farming & manufacturing again.
I agree but we will need to see where the numbers top out. Right now they are still rising. The doom and gloom group think they will hit say 10k a day and last for 200 days..
I think its way more likely that we have somewhere between 60 - 120k deaths from this. A bad flu year is 60k. So pretty close to the flu. But untill the numbers plateau politicaly its going to be hard to restart things.
A prudent plan (to me) would be to bring the country back online in roughly reverse order by population density. So get the least dense states online first (those would be the flyover states, BTW). Quarantine some of the dense, populous, hot spots, and bring things online slowly. Slowly is the key, which is why terms like “it’s over by Easter” is not really correct.
But let’s start reversing the most onerous constraints by Easter and take things slowly. If we keep our old and vulnerable sequestered we should be in good shape.
You are right - it’ll be months before the last areas get back to normal, and when we all can once again pile into a crowded concert arena or dance floor is anyone’s guess.
But let’s not lose sight of the fact that the only goal here is not to overtax our hospitals. People will get sick, some will die. If they die because the hospital was too crowded to take them in, we screwed up.
But the other sicknesses are just part of the normal flu season, and are required if we, as a ‘hurd’, are to build up an immunity to it.
Agree
Flattening the curve was important because the people who are developing test kits, vaccines, and treatments have been well enough to do so. Now that this stuff is coming on line we can go back to work as soon as we have a steady supply of HQC and Azithromycin