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jahstahTD [S] 13 points ago +13 / -0

If Trump just made a quick statement saying this treatment was not effective the MSM would start promoting it non-stop. Often times you need to use reverse psychology on children.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 13 points ago +13 / -0

This is the first French study. Only six patients got the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combo. Viral load dropped below the detection threshold by Day 6 for all six, but one of them had a positive test (albeit low concentration) on day 8.

The second French study had a larger population:

https://t.co/31ZO4OPyRv

(That's a Twitter shortened link, from Dr. Raoult's tweet)

The second study had 80 patients at the start (6 of them were from the first study). All got the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combo. Not all completed the study for various reasons (one died). But, by day 12, all of those remaining had been found to be no longer contagious. They weren't necessarily "cured", as they could still had the virus in their system (unlike the first study, which couldn't detect any virus in most cases).

The second study used "no longer contagious" as the threshold for success, because at that point the patient could be transferred out of the infectious disease (ID) ward to continue treatment elsewhere or at home -- making room for another patient. It says that the mean time in the ID ward was reduced to about 5 days, although they didn't say by how much.

It should be noted that the second study has no control group. Dr. Raoult has reportedly said he believes it's unethical to subject a control group to a placebo and risk death or permanent damage, because he believes this treatment is effective.

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jgardner 12 points ago +12 / -0

And don't ignore Dr. Zelenkov in NY. Adding Zinc, he has 100% cure rate in pre-hospital patients. Over 700 now IIRC.

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DisgustedByMisleadia -4 points ago +2 / -6

Dr. Zelenkov's experience isn't really a good trial. I've seen his data for the sickest patients, and it is lacking a lot of relevant information:

https://i.maga.host/b4wRjjt.jpeg

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jgardner 1 point ago +1 / -0

Useless pic is useless. That's a really poor source you have there.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, it's a little hard to read. But, it's the best I have (sent to me by another 'pede).

You can get the original source if you subscribe to Rudy Giulani's site: https://rudygiulianics.com/

I was able to download (spez: the image) and enlarge it with the Preview app on my Mac.

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jgardner 1 point ago +1 / -0

What, am I supposed to use the search bar on his site? What am I looking for? I see a top-level article that 699 have been cured. Is that it? There's no chart in the article.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't know. I asked the OP last night for it, after he posted this Youtube video by Rudy and the doctor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8

If you look at the summary, you'll see the offer for the Excel worksheet. If you want to ask the OP, here's the original post:

https://thedonald.win/p/FMO7T2qF/x/c/

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Whoopies_tds 9 points ago +9 / -0

Here is why NIH is racist

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DisgustedByMisleadia 2 points ago +2 / -0

So far, I haven't seen any state that completely bans the treatment.

OR and NV restrict it to people that have tested positive for COVID-19 and are hospitalized. I think that's unfortunate, but until we can backfill the reported shortage, it should be reserved for the sickest.

NY requires participation in a clinical trial. That means you could be in the control group that gets a placebo or alternative treatment.

MI has "threatened" pharmacists and doctors for prescribing hydroxychloroquine off-label, but there was no order to change any rules. Their own rules effectively allow off-label prescriptions, so they self-BTFO'ed their own threat by citing the rules.

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Whoopies_tds 1 point ago +1 / -0

It’s restricted right now so there is enough for people hospitalized and those with Lupus and Arthritis. Next up are healthcare workers and those in the front lines. This is totally cool to prevent the hypochondriacs from depleting the supply

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NET123 4 points ago +4 / -0

Trumpacilin works!

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2020magavision 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hey NIH, you need a bigger sample size? Head on over to where Dr. David Price works, he says his 1200 bed hospital in Manhattan is 100% dedicated to SARS-CoV-2.