I hope they get the search on here working better, because you know that Google isn't going to find that article for you any longer and in a few months we'll forget.
P.S. they already halved the death rate of the Spanish Flu a few months ago on Wikipedia. There was a Zero Hedge article on it a while ago.
Flu isn't as contagious, has years of data on it, has a vaccine (albeit a shady one), it doesn't annually send the healthcare system to it's breaking point, and has treatments that increase survival rate.
I know that a point here is to try and compare Covid and the Flu by saying how one is being treated differently than the other despite both being deadly, but if we're all for not spreading fake news and being "ambassadors of truth", you're gonna have to concede this point.
We know what demographics are at risk and we have a drug with a very high success rate in saving lives, much higher than the flu vaccine, and yet people are rolling over for an iron fist infringing on the liberties of everyone, including the majority who are not at real risk of the disease. If you want me to take you seriously, then you need to look at the bigger picture.
All demographics are at risk, some more than others. It's been shown that the healthcare system gets hammered especially hard because so many people can get sick at a rapid rate and because of that people who may not have died will die because they don't get the medical help they need. That is the bigger picture. This is why so many restrictions have been created in our country. You can debate about whether the restrictions are right or wrong but there isn't getting around that this new virus is nothing to be flippant about.
I’m at risk of maybe having a cough and a mild fever for a few days, far less than what I’d experience with the flu. I’m more likely to die in a car accident but I should be locked in? Everyone isn’t actually at risk, that’s just not true. Very dishonest to mischaracterize my position as flippant too bc I addressed that some groups are at real risk. People wanting everyone locked in by overbearing-mother government are flipping out and creating a tyrant over everyone.
But we COULD take some time and compare the reaction to this and to the H1N1 outbreak during obummer's time... and how he took 6 months to react. And how the media essentially ignored it.
So there is a comment to be made here that one of the reasons people are overreacting is that the media has NEVER since the 1918 outbreak of the Spanish Influenza epidemic, treated any disease this way. Not ebola, not zika, nothin'. So the real commentary needs to be a comparison of different media reactions to these situations depending upon whether the Prez is a Dem or a Republican
the Flu killed 80k people with all of us walking around basically ignoring it. Also there are flu shots.
Fauci says this thing may kill 100-200k people (middle of road estimate) and that’s with the entire country shutting down. If we didn’t shut the country down, it could kill 1-2 million.
This thing is worse than the flu. Do you not get that?
The idea is the number may be lower because we took precautions.
We may look back on this as the year we tackled the flu. Perhaps Hydroxychloroquine+zpak+zinc-phosphate effectively reduce the severity of this and future flus dramatically, and we will have cut future flu deaths in half.
You're not comparing apples to apples.
The 100-200k deaths projected is after you factor in social distancing, lock down, etc.
It's NOT like we would've had that low of a death count without those measures.
See Lombardy. Over 10% death rate. Hospitals are over-run, and you can't get basic health care because everyone is dealing with the epidemic. If we had Lombardy's outcome, we would see deaths in the millions. Literally.
Italy got caught inflating their deaths by a factor of 10 in an effort to get more aid from EU and others. Actual Covid-19 deaths are closer to 1% in line with the rest of the world.
So according to the telegraph article, if I get stabbed in the chest, die in the hospital, and they determine I was infected with COVID-19, then that's what killed me.
Why did we quarantine zero people for a flu that killed 80k, and instead quarantined almost the entire country for something that kills far less? This seems like an insane overreaction.
It’s been well established for a while Italy is over-reporting Covid deaths by including people dying of other causes that happened to have Covid. No one else reports the same death rates bc they’re reporting more accurately. There aren’t more than 10x as many people without ventilators and beds in Italy than other places.
Trump knows that this won't destroy the economy. Not on his watch.
But at the same time, the media whipped this whole thing up into a giant bout of mass hysteria.
To Trump it's a giant don't-fuck-up contest. To win it is simple.
Trump needs only look at what the expectation is. Expectation from the voting public is that he do something. Even if this is really no big deal. Trump's a go big type of guy. He'll put on a big giant show of Trump-style strength until this whole nothingburger goes away with Hydrochlorozine. And he wins.
Trump didn't ask for this big nothing burger, the media forced it upon him, all he needs to do is what Trump is great at doing: being strong through it all, fulfilling basic public expectation, knowing the public understands it all.
And the reason for it all? The media will cause mass hysteria just to hurt Trump.
"The thing that was most notable about last year was how high in terms of activity things were," said Nordlund. She explained that last season, unlike previous seasons, flu did not strike one region of the country and then move across the land. "There were three consecutive weeks when the entire continental US was affected by flu at a very high level,"
Hmm flu vaccines have steadily increased over the same time period. And... it’s almost as if widespread vaccinations didn’t help us at all, it just slammed us with the worst flu season ever.
It's morbid and terrible and all that, but i kinda wish someone in authority would cut through the bullshit in numbers like this. In that 80k deaths, 200 were kids. 900,000 'experienced flu severity that required hospitization,' and 99.999% of the other people that died were just fucking really old, already in extremely poor health or just cursed with shitty immune systems and vitamin dificiencies . Really, just....kinda 'waiting.' You know?
I'm coming off like an asshole, i just feel like this shit where grown ass adults freak out when masses of 80 and 90-something yr old people --on half a dozen different medications--die from 'something' really needs to stop being treated as surprising. As an example, how many 100 yr old whomever's do you hear about on the news now?
Is it really shocking when these people stop waking up, literally for any reason?
I mean, shit, my mom was a type 2 diabetic, with chf and copd. Never exercised, never took care of herself, still smoked a pack a day, eating whatever garbage she wanted, never took her insulin or checked her levels and after dying a few days ago, at age 96, shes counted among the people that died 'cuz the flu' this year because --officially-- thats what she'd been 'fighting' for months before coughing herself into a brain aneuryism.
She was generally a shitty person, that no one liked or will miss at all, and the world is a better place with her gone, but fucking no one could believe it. And i STILL cant get over that shit. "Omg what happened?" My older brother asked, ffs.
I mean, should we really be counting people in totals like this --and chynavirus-- when their demise is imminent and effectively 'inevitable' for months beforehand?
I'll get shit for this, I do every where. Since I stopped getting flu shots five years ago, I rarely get sick. I get seasonal allergies. When I used to get sick when I took shots, I'd get it a little worse each time. The key us to stay home, distance yourself from others and wash yo hands, and don't get shots.
Fuck, I accidentally clicked on a CNN link. Gonna die from cancer ASAP ☹️
me too, currently have cancer. wat do?
Start mainlining OAN, Tucker Carlson and Rush Limbaugh. It's the only known cure.
Typically bitching at OP for shitty format is standard treatment. Repeat 2x if needed.
Cancer News Network
Clinton News Network
Communist News Network
I feel dirty for clicking on that
Seriously, I’m actually mildly pissed now. Archive the shit!!
Archive https://archive.is/Ab4Wy
I hope they get the search on here working better, because you know that Google isn't going to find that article for you any longer and in a few months we'll forget.
P.S. they already halved the death rate of the Spanish Flu a few months ago on Wikipedia. There was a Zero Hedge article on it a while ago.
I wish there was a way to auto-archive all CCP/CNN, Cuckington/HuffPaint Post, Politifuck etc. links.
A bot could do it in the comments, but it would be up to the mods to have the site do it automatically when submitting links.
Couldn't interrupt the Russia hoax!
Donald Trump wasn't on the ballot that year.
Flu isn't as contagious, has years of data on it, has a vaccine (albeit a shady one), it doesn't annually send the healthcare system to it's breaking point, and has treatments that increase survival rate.
I know that a point here is to try and compare Covid and the Flu by saying how one is being treated differently than the other despite both being deadly, but if we're all for not spreading fake news and being "ambassadors of truth", you're gonna have to concede this point.
We know what demographics are at risk and we have a drug with a very high success rate in saving lives, much higher than the flu vaccine, and yet people are rolling over for an iron fist infringing on the liberties of everyone, including the majority who are not at real risk of the disease. If you want me to take you seriously, then you need to look at the bigger picture.
All demographics are at risk, some more than others. It's been shown that the healthcare system gets hammered especially hard because so many people can get sick at a rapid rate and because of that people who may not have died will die because they don't get the medical help they need. That is the bigger picture. This is why so many restrictions have been created in our country. You can debate about whether the restrictions are right or wrong but there isn't getting around that this new virus is nothing to be flippant about.
I’m at risk of maybe having a cough and a mild fever for a few days, far less than what I’d experience with the flu. I’m more likely to die in a car accident but I should be locked in? Everyone isn’t actually at risk, that’s just not true. Very dishonest to mischaracterize my position as flippant too bc I addressed that some groups are at real risk. People wanting everyone locked in by overbearing-mother government are flipping out and creating a tyrant over everyone.
Less than 0.5% of REPORTED Cases for under 50 result in mortality, much less.
But we COULD take some time and compare the reaction to this and to the H1N1 outbreak during obummer's time... and how he took 6 months to react. And how the media essentially ignored it.
So there is a comment to be made here that one of the reasons people are overreacting is that the media has NEVER since the 1918 outbreak of the Spanish Influenza epidemic, treated any disease this way. Not ebola, not zika, nothin'. So the real commentary needs to be a comparison of different media reactions to these situations depending upon whether the Prez is a Dem or a Republican
the Flu killed 80k people with all of us walking around basically ignoring it. Also there are flu shots.
Fauci says this thing may kill 100-200k people (middle of road estimate) and that’s with the entire country shutting down. If we didn’t shut the country down, it could kill 1-2 million.
This thing is worse than the flu. Do you not get that?
Archived:
https://archive.is/Ab4Wy
Came here to say http://archive.is/Ab4Wy
My paste command was getting blue balls
I'm not sure how exactly, but I'm pretty confident that this article is racist.
Everything they post is racist.
Evan? Evan can we get a fact check on that?
It became racist when it was linked from here
One thing that isn't even being considered, some of these elderly patients probably ALSO have the flu (on top of their other pre-existing conditions)
The idea is the number may be lower because we took precautions.
We may look back on this as the year we tackled the flu. Perhaps Hydroxychloroquine+zpak+zinc-phosphate effectively reduce the severity of this and future flus dramatically, and we will have cut future flu deaths in half.
Or maybe not. But I'm hopeful.
What part of what i said is false? What you're saying doesn't counter what I said. They are both true statements.
Same teams bro!
All good man! elbow bump
Well my team says that it doesn't matter whether it's two hundred thousand or two million
It's nature. It can't be stopped
Sad shit
But only pussies would sacrifice their country for it
points for spelling all that stuff right!
You're not comparing apples to apples. The 100-200k deaths projected is after you factor in social distancing, lock down, etc. It's NOT like we would've had that low of a death count without those measures. See Lombardy. Over 10% death rate. Hospitals are over-run, and you can't get basic health care because everyone is dealing with the epidemic. If we had Lombardy's outcome, we would see deaths in the millions. Literally.
Italy got caught inflating their deaths by a factor of 10 in an effort to get more aid from EU and others. Actual Covid-19 deaths are closer to 1% in line with the rest of the world.
https://youtu.be/gXlHXmfDDnc?t=167
Article referenced: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy
So according to the telegraph article, if I get stabbed in the chest, die in the hospital, and they determine I was infected with COVID-19, then that's what killed me.
Why did we quarantine zero people for a flu that killed 80k, and instead quarantined almost the entire country for something that kills far less? This seems like an insane overreaction.
NYC is worse than any city in Europe, they have almost as many cases as all of Italy.
It’s been well established for a while Italy is over-reporting Covid deaths by including people dying of other causes that happened to have Covid. No one else reports the same death rates bc they’re reporting more accurately. There aren’t more than 10x as many people without ventilators and beds in Italy than other places.
It ranges quite a bit each year, but 50-70k in a country the size of the US is certainly common.
fuck man i accidentally clicked that shit
never link cnn here dude cmon
fuck cnn
I just clicked a CNN link. I feel dirty.
It's almost as if we are putting millions of people out of a job and destroying the economy for no good reason?
40D chess.
It's like this:
Trump knows that this won't destroy the economy. Not on his watch.
But at the same time, the media whipped this whole thing up into a giant bout of mass hysteria.
To Trump it's a giant don't-fuck-up contest. To win it is simple.
Trump needs only look at what the expectation is. Expectation from the voting public is that he do something. Even if this is really no big deal. Trump's a go big type of guy. He'll put on a big giant show of Trump-style strength until this whole nothingburger goes away with Hydrochlorozine. And he wins.
Trump didn't ask for this big nothing burger, the media forced it upon him, all he needs to do is what Trump is great at doing: being strong through it all, fulfilling basic public expectation, knowing the public understands it all.
And the reason for it all? The media will cause mass hysteria just to hurt Trump.
Why is this great country still closed for business over the damn flu?
I don't give a fuck who does it, or who gets credit for it ... just re-open the country, ffs!
Shut it down, they know.
"The thing that was most notable about last year was how high in terms of activity things were," said Nordlund. She explained that last season, unlike previous seasons, flu did not strike one region of the country and then move across the land. "There were three consecutive weeks when the entire continental US was affected by flu at a very high level,"
Hmm flu vaccines have steadily increased over the same time period. And... it’s almost as if widespread vaccinations didn’t help us at all, it just slammed us with the worst flu season ever.
I would not put it past them to have yearly lockdowns of any new virus or flu. Just makeup bullshit to crash or scare the markets.
Also don't link directly to a CCN article. You made a good point but.
Don't link to cnn or any shitholes - archive is your friend
OP, please archive next time! Thanks for posting it though. It gives good context to all of what's going on.
Can we get an update to prohibit cnn links?
It's morbid and terrible and all that, but i kinda wish someone in authority would cut through the bullshit in numbers like this. In that 80k deaths, 200 were kids. 900,000 'experienced flu severity that required hospitization,' and 99.999% of the other people that died were just fucking really old, already in extremely poor health or just cursed with shitty immune systems and vitamin dificiencies . Really, just....kinda 'waiting.' You know?
I'm coming off like an asshole, i just feel like this shit where grown ass adults freak out when masses of 80 and 90-something yr old people --on half a dozen different medications--die from 'something' really needs to stop being treated as surprising. As an example, how many 100 yr old whomever's do you hear about on the news now?
Is it really shocking when these people stop waking up, literally for any reason?
I mean, shit, my mom was a type 2 diabetic, with chf and copd. Never exercised, never took care of herself, still smoked a pack a day, eating whatever garbage she wanted, never took her insulin or checked her levels and after dying a few days ago, at age 96, shes counted among the people that died 'cuz the flu' this year because --officially-- thats what she'd been 'fighting' for months before coughing herself into a brain aneuryism.
She was generally a shitty person, that no one liked or will miss at all, and the world is a better place with her gone, but fucking no one could believe it. And i STILL cant get over that shit. "Omg what happened?" My older brother asked, ffs.
I mean, should we really be counting people in totals like this --and chynavirus-- when their demise is imminent and effectively 'inevitable' for months beforehand?
It’s like ppl have this idea everyone lives forever. If you’re over average age of death, which is already super inflated by modern medicine....
This is true. But the system is built to handle Flu. Next cycle, it will be built to handle both.
I actually posted this earlier when some reeeeee ported (here) that the flu doesnt kill as many as COVID-19 does
Wtf. Don’t fucking link people to fucking cnn.
Wtf?
Can mods edit posts to be archive links after the fact?
Don’t give CNN clicks
Nasty Man
How is this any worse? We just destroyed our economy.
Damn it, I click the link; now I need to cleanse my computer.
That's why you need to get your
Republicanflu vaccine. The Party™ insists to help ingovernment mind controlpreventing the spread of the fluI'll get shit for this, I do every where. Since I stopped getting flu shots five years ago, I rarely get sick. I get seasonal allergies. When I used to get sick when I took shots, I'd get it a little worse each time. The key us to stay home, distance yourself from others and wash yo hands, and don't get shots.
CNN and their mindless viewers don’t care about facts and don’t remember all the fake and hypocritical shit they write