My whole life, I’ve been a San Francisco/Los Angeles Liberal Arts person with jobs that have shaggy rugs, and you bring your dog into work.
I’m the typical black rimmed liberal glasses person. You’d never expect me to be Conservative unless you saw me at home in my Kanye/Trump shirt.
I’ve always hated kids, and people who had them. But now that I’m redpilled, even going to Church sometimes, I feel like I’m kind of obligated to have one. Like if I don’t I did something bad. Los Angeles would be a crazy place to raise kids but people do it all the time.
Sometimes I think I’m not naturally conservative, but I am because of how crazy liberals are, so therefore it’s ok to not have one.
I do really like conservative values, but at the same time my lifestyle is so different. It’s odd.
Having a child completely changes your perspective on pretty much everything. A screaming baby immediately morphs from irritating to concern.
If it’s not already, get your life in order with money, house, etc. then look for someone with similar values. I can’t stress how much easier it is to raise children when the two of you are on the same page. (Not just politics.)
Similar values is so important. My wife and I have almost the exact same value system, which has made raising our daughter a breeze (for the most part).
I would also add how important it is that a couples differences complement the others shortcomings. For example, my wife is very emotional, wears her heart on her sleeve and is a hopeless romantic. Where I am cold and calculating, logical, base decision making on statistics. We help each other in the areas we are lacking and it works really well.
And COMMUNICATION! If you can’t talk to your spouse about everything you are doomed to fail.
It's so funny how true it is about screaming babies! I hated crying babies prior to having a daughter. Then, when she was born, she could cry at any time and it never bothered me at all. It only caused concern. Some instincts are still strong.
Good wisdom in a few sentences. Covers everything I would have said. The only thing I would add is the deep satisfaction with life that comes from creating/continuing/connecting with family.
Everybody hates other people’s kids. But when it’s your kid it’s different. I’d say yes you kind of have an obligation to build a family, but you don’t really need to worry too much - it’s your wife who’ll feel the need to have babies, you just go along with it.
Pedophiles love other people's kids.
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Pedophiles want to "fuck" other people's kids.
I love kids because they're innocent and wonderful. It is a completely uncorrupted mind. It sucks that you can't say hi or pat a kid on the head now without being accused of being a pedo.
Haha, excellent!
I have zero trust for any grown man who works with kids for a living.
This kind of thing is such bullshit. This is the kind of sexism that feminists laugh at and pretend doesn’t exist. Men can love kids too, and not in a creepy pedo way. Kids are awesome and important to society. Why wouldn’t a man want to make a living being a positive influence in kids’ lives?
Exactly. This dude apparently wants our children raised by women, when the biggest problem in our society is that men have no influence over the raising of children.
Rahkeem, since men are the majority of pedophiles, I do understand your concern. However, there are wonderful men in this world who would never hurt a child, never even think about them in a sexual way (normal people don't, ever all) and it would be a shame if they would be discounted and dismissed, just because they are male. Sure, absolutely check them out to your satisfaction. But please don't brush all men with the same broad brush.
Remember when teachers used to be mostly men?
Get fucked. The fact that education is so dominated by women is one of the biggest problems we have. Not because women are bad educators, but because men also play a vital role in the raising of children. It is not just part of our social order that we have created, but part of the natural order that God and/or natural selection determined (based on whatever you believe in).
I'm a guy and I have dedicated my life to countering that imbalance. I could get paid a lot more doing other things, but I don't want to. If you ask a women why they love teaching, they will tell you something along the lines of "I just think kids are so cute and I love caring for children." That is great and we need that. But if you ask a man why they love teaching you will hear something much different. They will say "I want to teach kids the lessons that they need to become responsible, well behaved adults, and productive members of society." If you ever spend time in a school you will see this stark difference in the mindset between male and female teachers first hand.
I think bringing trades back into the schools will also bring in more male teachers. But I think one way we could get more men into the schools is to give hiring preferences (maybe even requirements) for teachers with real world experience (i.e. teachers who have done other jobs besides being a teacher).
It's a huge problem. Another thing people don't think about is the school administrator. When women are in charge it seems to me that kids get away with a lot of crap. I remember my class (not me) treated this one young female math teacher ruthlessly. It was so bad that she cried in class and then disappeared (presumably she quit). She was actually good at her job, the kids just sensed weakness and pounced.
In that kind of situation, you need a male influence to correct things. You need to sort out the troublemakers and get control over the classrooms. Women just can't do it.
I have noticed that to. It is why administration is one of the few areas in education that is not dominated by females. Administrators are almost always former teachers so you would assume that there would be more female admins, but it is about a 50/50 split. Some people from the outside looking in will chalk that up to "institutional sexism". But on the inside, even most of the left wing female teachers will tell you that they could never be an admin because they couldn't handle the pressure of being in that position.
That's because we've been indoctrinated in this country to believe that all men are predators.
Are you saying that you suspect men who work in jobs that involve kids of being a pedophile, but not women who do those same jobs? Women are less likely to commit sex crimes against minors, but among female sex offenders younger minors (below six and below twelve) are proportionately more likely to be the victims compared to male offenders.
What is up with all the down doots? Is this Reddit?
I don’t have a wife, and really never wanted one either. Every woman I’ve ever been with has only cared about money. When I was a liberal I resented that, but now as a conservative I understand that, but still don’t feel the need to be married.
It’s weird, it was like Liberalism, made me hate the world, and conservatism made me understand it, and just come to peace with it.
I was thinking of maybe having an arranged baby with someone who takes care of herself.
Well no, don’t do that. That’s a terrible fucking idea. Don’t have a baby as a political statement, have a baby as an expression of the love you have for your wife. If you don’t love anyone enough to marry them, then you don’t get to have a baby. An “arranged baby” is a disgusting idea.
disgusting is a bit extreme. Women these days are hard to put up with. An arranged baby would be totally fine I think.
You think it’s fine, I think it’s disgusting. Bad luck if that hurts your feelings, a child is a person not a political statement. A person who deserves to be conceived in love and raised in a loving family. To knowingly and deliberately deprive a child of that is selfish and disgusting.
I agree. A child needs a mother and a father throughout childhood. People who divorce with kids disgust me. And, going into a child birth with no hope of having the mother around is far worse.
I understand his point however and I don't think he deserved to be downvoted. A child, however, should have a mother and a father as you state. I'm not going to lie and pretend that men don't have it rough on finding a suitable woman to mate with however.
Marriage should be primarily about the children rather than "love," however. It doesn't seem romantic love lasts a lifetime for most people. People should find someone with a good personality who makes them horny.
Romantic love is not real love.
Then you're no better than the virtue-signalling leftists with gender-neutral "theybies."
Arranged children are legally dubious. There's more than one occasion where a surrogate has went to court for child support.
Also philosophically, it seems to me that Conservatives should not support positive law (i.e. government laws) that strip people of their natural rights and obligations. The family precedes the government. So in my opinion sperm donors, still have paternal rights even if the law says they don't.
There are women for you pede trust me.
I'm not sure what you mean by an "arranged" baby. If you want a kid but not a wife why not adopt? Or you could foster. If you aren't going to have a baby naturally, why not raise a kid that already exists?
Please, for the love of God, don't do this.
Conservatives roll their sleeves up, and be the change the they want to see in their world.
Leftists demand that everyone around them, be the the change they want to see in the world.
It's why liberalism is a very attractive ideology, if you want to change the world without having to do all the work.
The difference between an activist and a conservationist.
An activist
throws a tantrumprotests that the river is dirty.A conservationist goes to the river and starts cleaning it up.
Yep. A couple years ago, I realized I have way to much of a work ethic to be in the leftie camp. Im addicted to getting shit done. It's basically incompatible with those people, like oil and water.
You really had me in the first half. Not gonna lie.
I like everything else that you said, but an arranged baby? We are a monogamous species for a reason. Love between parents is extremely important in the rearing of children. Families that do not have that unconditional between mom and dad fall apart, which is an extremely irresponsible on account of those parents. It is your responsibility to find a women that you will love for your whole life and who will love for your whole life before you have a child. In fact the reason that pre-marital sex is so frowned upon by The Church is because it is because you are engaging in the making of a baby before you have dedicated your life to that baby through the sacrament of marriage.
I have read your other comments and it seems like part of this conservative world view that you have adopted includes the idea that women are a hassle more than a blessing. I am sorry you feel that way but that is not correct and doesn't align with conservatism. Women are awesome. The fact that they can form a human being inside their body, give birth to it, then feed it with their bodily fluids, and nurture it throughout life with an extreme emotional attachment is nothing short of a super power. Every single one of us exists today because women are naturally able to do that. It is incredible when you think of it.
This very nature of women makes women dependent on men to care for them and their child in a different way. The reason women care if you make money is not because they are greedy or lazy, it is out of a biological necessity. Many of them hate to admit this, but they need to be able to trust that you will provide for them while they are busy caring for the children.
I mean, is it really an obligation to have a family? An obligation to what? The country? Natural law? From what I understand only 40% of all the men that have ever lived have reproduced, compared to 80% of women (due to polygamy). But that stat might not be true.
FFS, DO NOT have a child because you think somebody else thinks you should!
A baby will cost you money, time, and sleep. If you don't make up your mind to enjoy it, if you aren't entertained by the way their little minds explode, you won't notice how much fun they are.
For me, they're the best entertainment value going. I would do for my kids what I would not do for myself. I learned foresight. I made money. The great things in life came to me because I fulfilled my commitments to them.
This is the first thing I thought when I read OP's post - having a child out of obligation just sounds like a monumentally bad idea lol.
Never produce an unwanted child. But stop the production before they're a child - at conception. If you don't want children, then don't conceive them. Just don't kill them after they're here. Give them to someone who wants them.
My wife and I are happily childfree by choice conservatives, with no regrets or plans to change.
Be true to you.
This virus and quarantine has just reinforced that we made the right choice, for us.
Same here. Things just never worked out for us to have kids when we were younger. We're now in our 40s and my health won't really allow even trying at this point. Kids are not mandatory to a conservative lifestyle. Do what you feel is best.
Same here except I’m single. I did not want kids before (yay autism sensory triggers) and I’m 100% sure about it now at 22. I will consider getting a vasectomy after the quarantine ends.
22 is young to be make a decision like that. You change a lot in your 20's. Don't go playing around with your fertility until you are 30.
I looked into getting a vas when I was roughly 25, the Dr. at the time really discouraged it, so I just never got one. Now I'm 36 and hoping to have kids soon. Life will change you in ways you didn't plan on.
Don't make a choice you will regret in the future. Condoms are effective options.
Do not get a vasectomy in your 20s unless you are willing to fork over $10k+ to have it reversed!
smart. Men get married with Hope's his bride never changes... Women KNOW everything was a lie, and that fake Bride you married...
BE VERY CAREFUL 6+ sexual partners MOVE ON PERIOD
You live in a bubble. This is not true outside of that bubble. In my world, a marriage not working out is extremely rare. I at least know that my world is an insulated one. Yet I can travel anywhere in the world and will be able to find other fundamentalists.
This brings me great joy. my wife and I feel the same. you in Texas? we need friends lol
Please. People have kids for their own interests, regardless of how well they do for the kid. They're alive by coincidence. Impregnation isn't a success when it can happen in any variety of circumstances.
Kids are exhausting, draining, and expensive. You will have no social life, money, or time for yourself. Everything you do and plan for the future will be about the kids. I can’t stand most other people’s kids. That said, my two adult sons are the best thing that ever happened to me, and I wouldn’t change one a single thing about having them or raising them.
We are medically unable to have children.
Find a nice girl (pro-tip: NO ink and NO tats and NO funky-colored hair), turn off NPR, read some Ayn Rand and Robert A. Heinlein, get married and make babies.
Why no tattoos? My fiancee and I are both as conservative and principled as they come, highly educated, highly responsible tax-paying citizens, and we have tattoos. I don't understand how that changes anything about our character
In fact, most of the lefty/libs in my liberal college town look at me funny for them - the only others I know up here with tats also happen to be conservative
It's a rule of thumb, not a hard rule.
Tattoos say a lot about your character. In particular that you don't respect your own body enough to not scribble over it. I can tell for another that you are certainly not a Christian.
oh, no Christians have tattoos now. Learn something new everyday (I spoke with my church's priest extensively before getting my first tattoo. One is even the Devil playing a fiddle, which I was certain I'd be told not to get, but no objection because it wasn't representative of worship and was specifically a symbolic reminder of not making a deal with the devil)
Not real Christians. There's a lot wrong with the modern day church, and that's certainly one of those things.
Have you read the Bible before? Your body is not yours. It is God's temple. Why would you want to desecrate it? And of all things, putting the image of Satan on it? I'd say I'm shocked, but it's par for the course these days.
So where can I find one of these correct, not-modern day, churches? Which faction of Christianity is the right one? Oh, the one you subscribe/go to, I'm sure, yes? fwiw, I've read the bible (have read all the major ones - KJV, went to catholic school and can read latin, too, have even read the Vulgate). I've studied religious history, I've been going to church since before I could dress myself, and it's not one of these new-agey anything goes churches, but very traditional, as well. Tell me, do you trim your beard? The same passage your misinterpreting about tattoos, and ignoring its historical context and meaning, also tells you not to shave or trim, or "harm the edges of your beard." I'm positive I can find hundreds of rules and laws in the bible, actually interpreted correctly, that you break -- but I'm not here telling you what's right and wrong, and how to behave. I thought you were Christian? Not a very good one, apparently, you hold more judgement than God. I'm comfortable with my decisions, my priest had no objection, and that's all your judgmental ass needs to know.
If your pastor said that getting a tattoo is ok, then there is no way your church is "traditional". I'd say most people are better off not going to church at all then to go and be taught how not to be a Christian.
I don't know what passage you are talking about. These above are the ones I was referencing. Do you think it is ok to put graffiti on a church? I'd hope not. But your body is God's house. Why would putting graffiti on it be acceptable?
This is one of the worst things about modern Christians, imo. They seem to believe that correcting bad behavior is itself immoral. It's actually the opposite. We are commanded by God to rebuke one another when we do wrong. In fact, that is what love is. Do what you will of course, but know that it is wrong and not what God wants for any of his children.
I wish you luck, brother. May God bless you with his wisdom.
a church is property. Thankfully we passed on that notion, as it relates to a human body, a long time ago. My point is, you're being incredibly un-Christian with your views. Not because you are against tattoos, for personal and religious reasons - that's fine - but because you're applying your convictions, as well as your interpretation of the bible (that many agree, as well as disagree, with; and you don't get to be the arbiter of truth or determining who's interpreted it correctly) to others, and passing judgment built on that faulty foundation.
I was referencing the only passage in the bible that, in some translations, directly references a tattoo. All the ones you referenced are even weaker arguments for why a tattoo wouldn't be permitted, as it relies on the belief that a tattoo is defiling yourself. That's fine for you to think that. Others don't. It's the same way that certain sects are more ornate than others, or some permit idols when others don't. Some churches are very decorative, stained glass windows, idols, etc, others are not. You don't get to tell the Catholic he's wrong for his views on sainthood, or vice versa. No, I wouldn't graffiti a church -- someone else's property -- and believe it's ok; but I think it's appropriate for the church to decide they want stained-glass windows, same as I think it's ok if I want tattoos -- stained glass windows in this analogy -- on my body. If it's not for you, it's not for you; and if you are 100% confident you're correct, and you're interpretation is the correct one, then cool, God will judge accordingly, not you. I don't care what you think about tattoos, you're entitled to that, but you need to relax yourself and be more open to the idea that others may disagree with you, have good justification for disagreeing, possibly even supported by their religious beliefs (which also may differ from you, even if the same religion), and not pass so much judgment on them
Tattoos are degenerate
lol, ok. I'd personally rather judge someone by their character and how they treat others than their physical appearance. This kind of closed-minded and condescending response tells me more about a person than a tattoo ever could
people appear how they want to be seen, the costume of a dirty sailor or a turned out whore, doesn't 100% guarantee the personality BUT IS A MAJOR FACTOR... NO SINGLE MOMS NO TATTOOS NO FEMINISTS PERIOD
Oh, all caps, now I understand
I'd take a conservative with tattoos over a liberal without any day of the week.
There's all kinds of stereotypes and generalizations associated with tattoos, and they're not mutually exclusive to any political leanings. Not hard to spot a trashy person, with or without tattoos, and maybe even identify them as more likely to be liberal, but I'd be more likely to see a tattooed veteran, biker, someone like a Gavin McInnis or Pete Hegseth, and know they're more conservative. All my grandfather's Korean War vet friends have tats and are conservative. Every single tattoo shop owner I know around here is conservative, and all the gun shop owners and workers have tattoos. My mother, of course, would disagree with me, but times have changed, and it's silly to make such massive judgements on a person over such a subjective thing like a tattoo. Thank god the bob dole/john mccain/mitt romney conservatives are a dying breed
See Mat Best on Youtube. Ex-military, conservative as they come, and tons of tattoos. Not sure where the tattoo hate from previous posters is coming from.
it's the remnants of a bygone era of what was formerly associated with conservative values, linked heavily to age, religion, and geographical location. Nothing wrong with being against tattoos, but the logical person understands that's a personal and subjective opinion applicable only to themselves, and speaks nothing to the character or warranted judgement of another, who may have a different subjective view from them
once a whore always a whore... no tattoos period... whore tag
How are tattoos degenerate? I personally think they look stupid. I would never get one, and find them unattractive on women, but degenerate? I can't think of a line of reasoning that would draw that conclusion. I am genuinely curious as to why you think that they are degenerate because I have always found them unattractive, but cannot put a finger on why I do.
They are degenerate because no one who respects themselves would tarnish their own body that way, similar to how no man or woman who respect themselves would treat their bodies like sex toys.
I mean think about what a tattoo is. You are desecrating your own body by injecting ink under the skin to mark yourself. It's no different than coloring your hair purple or getting piercings all over your body.
It's always a signal for others that you are damaged in some way, though the person doing it is usually unaware of the reason.
I agree. The permanence of it is why I would never don’t really like it. I dont really mind girls doing things with their hair because it is not permanent, however I do think dying it blue or some other unnatural color just looks dumb.
How do you feel about something as common as girls getting their ears pierced though?
I'm not a fan. It's minor compared to a tattoo, but I just like women the way they are naturally. I think even makeup is kind of awful and deceptive. It's fine if you want to look nice and style your hair or whatever, but I want to see the real person instead of the carefully crafted image.
Women can spend hours on makeup in the morning lol. It's insane. They do it because it works, but I never cared for it myself.
Depends on your philosophy or worldview. Nothing is permanent, and certainly not our physical bodies. A lot of people with tattoos share this kind of mentality, and really don't see a tattoo as that big of a deal, because we recognize that everything is temporary, including our time on this earth. But I also really respect your opinion - it's a logical one. You personally don't like them or find them attractive, but you seem like you also don't really pass judgement on anyone who has a differing view. Right on.
When my father was a child, he fell off his bicycle, landing on his side, where his pencil rest in his pocket. The pencil snapped right where the ground tore up his body, and dirt, as well as the pencil lead, entered the wound in his thigh. He never cleaned it out properly, and the dirt and lead is still there today, 60 years or so later. What a degenerate with no respect for his body, marking and tarnishing his body with dirt and lead and not having enough self-respect to remove it
So you're telling me that you don't understand the difference between intentionally marking your body and suffering accidental injury?
I'm telling you your point is equally as retarded as the false-analogy I gave you. Where's the line between accident and intent? He chose to not clean it, leave it as is, and let it permanently scar over with dirt and lead welded beneath. I'd hardly consider that any better than a calculated decision made in a sanitary shop with sterile products and instruments -- just like getting a cavity drilled out and filled with silver.
Leviticus 19:28 "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourself"
The attitudes and judgement passed in this comment thread is the most non-Christian thing I've seen on display in a long while. Holding these beliefs while simultaneously claiming to be Christian is about as ironic and hypocritical as the left claiming to be the party of tolerance while they attempt to silence any oppositional thought/beliefs and call everyone they disagree with Nazi bigots
I'd say figure out yourself for now and stop feeling like you "have" to do anything. But having kids is awesome and it changed my life for the better!
You don’t have to have kids if you don’t want them. That’s not part of being conservative. However, IMHO kids are amazing. No one else in the world understands you as much as a child. Now that my kids are older they’re like best friends but on a super deep level full of love, understanding and shared experience.
It will be the most exhausting thing you will ever do. It will be the most important thing you will ever do. I dare say, if done correctly, will grant you passage to heaven, and everlasting life. I wish you all the best.
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You shouldn’t equate conservatism to have children. You can be one without kids. Having said that, children are the most amazing thing and will make you rich beyond your wildest dreams. They are worth every hardship and they will thrive with every ounce of love you pour into them.
Don’t forget to find a solid wife. That’s truly key. A woman that is good with children and ready to go through any hardships with you is another ingredient to a wonderful life.
Don't have a kid just because you THINK you should! Especially if you hate kids! I never wanted children. I got married n hubby wanted them. I didn't but tried for him. Turns out my uterus is broken so it never happened. Fast forward 15 years. I'm a nanny for 2 special needs children! I love my job and the kids but it made me realize that not having children was the best thing for me! 24/7 being a Mom and parent is definately not my scene!
this, there's way to MAGA without kids. I'd rather some CF people help our elderly and our vets than just have kids.
It's funny, people with kids call childless people selfish..but people with kids spend their whole life working to protect and raise their own
Nothing wrong with it, but it's serving your own self and your own blood, it's just as selfish as not having kids
Bah, don't be so hard on yourself. Kids are resilient beings. When/if you do have children, you'll be amazed at how closely they start to model their lives after yours. Not because they're "brainwashed", but because they truly do admire you and seek to imitate you, for better or worse.
There's a sense of pride and love from being a parent that is like nothing else in this world. If you open your heart to it! Unfortunately, I know people who have not allowed themselves to be affected much by their children, and that's very sad in my view. They're missing out!
We exist to have children. It’s a natural instinct to have kids, liberalism teaches you to deny nature and everything good and true. But find a good woman that is not liberal, get married and then have kids. There are good women out there that don’t care about money, that want a good strong husband. Church is a good place to start looking. I also recommend theartofmanliness.com
Humans aren't the same as animals. animals only insure the survival of their species and leave a legacy by reproducing. a single childless man can invent a cure and not only leave a legacy but also insure the survival of his species. Same goes for artists, authors, etc. I'm biased because I don't have and won't have children, yeah. but I'm pretty damn glad Beethoven and Louis Armstrong left music and inspired billions of people throughout time than just had a few kids and died.
If I may throw this into your equation: the foundation, the cornerstone of civilization is family.
I can see it in your post. The words are brimming with that holier than thou "Not having children makes me better, because the best people didn't have kids."
It's bullshit communist programming at it's finest. The cult of Veganism applied to abstaining from the meat of parenthood.
Nope, what makes me better is my willingness to accept I have no business having kids. Our divorce rates and mental health issues are deeply rooted in how fucked up the American family is. In part, it's because there's plenty of people having children who shouldn't be having children. Animal life is cyclical, has no variables other than be born and fulfill your role in the ecosystem. Humans aren't truly predators and they're not prey, so if one human reproduces it doesn't disrupt the ecosystem. Sure, you could look at it in terms of replacement rate, but even falling short of theoretical replacement, it'd be a long time before we could even classify ourselves as endangered. Hell, a 104 year old survived covid infection. Life spans are going up, so is quality of life. Replacement rate will be less of an issue going forward.
Overall, I was simply making a point, humans have other ways of preserving their species and leaving a legacy. Not pretending I'm Louis Armstrong, just thankful his life was what it was.
Minority opinion - if you don’t want kids, DON’T HAVE THEM. A child doesn’t deserve to be born into a home where the father is wish-washy about his responsibilities. Just take care of yourself and pay your taxes so those of us who LOVE children can raise them in a better America.
Conservative comes in all different shapes and colors. Myself, I love low taxes so that I can buy “green” laundry detergent and I just made vegan Italian food the other day with that beyond meat stuff nobody was buying during the clovid apocalypse. I’m also gay and it sucks dating anyone because they just about all sold out to the DNC.
I'm going to get downvoted, but conservatism doesn't mean you need to have children. Especially right now when our country is in SUCH danger, we need anyone 25-45 on the front lines. Think of how many young upstart politicians there are. Those kids are puppets for the leftist elite and evil shadow government figures like Soros and Obama
We need the same energy on ourside. Volunteer locally, see what you can do at a city level, see what you can do on a state level.
Not just that, but volunteer outside of politics to. Do what you can for your community. If you never wanted kids, then take the freedom and resources you save and use them for MAGA. even if it's just helping an animal shelter, cleaning up the streets, or mentoring teenagers.
and if you change your mind, adopt. Take a kid no one wanted and give it a home. How can conservatives want abortion banned but they don't champion adoption?
People busy raising babies and working 50 hours a week simply don't have time for grassroots politics. They don't have time for weaponized autism. As a whole, we need to encourage child free people, whether it's by choice or because they have no other option, to MAGA in every way they can. Instead the "moar white babiezzz" crowd just turn these people who don't see procreation as our only purpose, who are lots of times incredibly talented and intelligent, towards the open arms of the left.
Been on the Trump train since day one, will never have children, but I assure you if it comes down to 1776 I'll be on the front lines. We're not selfish monsters or anything. I live an extremely conservative, minimalist life style. Pay taxes, sales taxes and property taxes, and get a lot less benefit from them than parents do. Trust me, people like us are good for the nation.
I don't know how old you are, but your perspective on kids may change with time, just as your political views have. Unless there is some biological urgency, WAIT to have kids.
I have four children, and I can't imagine life without any of them. They have changed me for the better in innumerable ways. But when I was younger, I was sure I'd never have kids. I didn't want anything to do with other people's kids and for the most part I didn't even like being around kids, not even my nieces and nephews.
But that changed; I think coming around to the point of wanting children is a natural part of maturation for the vast majority of people. (Not for all people; I do know a few people who are middle-aged or older who never wanted kids.)
The decision to have children should be made out of love and a genuine desire to have children, not as a political statement.
I heartily agree with those who have said that you should get married first; raising children is hard, and you need to have someone you love to share not only the work but also the stresses and the joys.
Research shows that children raised by their married, biological parents do better by every measure: educational and economic achievement, lower rates of teen pregnancy, lower rates of substance abuse, less mental illness, and lower rates of incarceration. So if you care about your kids, don't just "acquire" a kid, take the time to find a loving wife and set up a home life that will allow your children to thrive.
(Note: I am NOT ragging on the MAGA folks here who are single parents for whatever reason - I know you do great jobs raising your kids. And I know that some of you were in bad situations where getting your kids away from their other parent was the responsible choice. I am just talking about statistics. Given a choice, the statistics are clear that OP should be trying to set up a stable, loving, two-parent home before having children.)
You should have kids. They are hard work, but very fulfilling. One day you will be old and alone if you do not. You will never stop hating other people's misbehaving kids, but no matter how awful your own are, you will love them. You will wonder what you could have left the future by raising decent human beings to take your place.
It is the best thing we can leave the future.
There is a big difference between Hating other kids and hating your kids.
I love my children, but I'm not found some of the little hyper turds that run around the neighborhood.
Do whatever you want. It's your life. Make sure you take a close look at father's rights and marriage law (divorce law). You pick the wrong woman and you may not ever see that kid you wanted so bad.
You don't have to, but it is awesome.
I always hated kids too. It’s different when they’re your own. I always thought they ruined your life, I believed the overpopulation mythos bullshit. I waited too long, wish I started 5 years earlier.
Don't have kids because you think you have to, have them because you want to.
You will start wanting to when you realize it is time to let go of your childhood and grow up to become an adult. Taking care of a spouse and child is the beginning of adulthood. I've worked with (and still work with) many 40+ year old men who are looking forward to the next party/drinking opportunity, the next football game, etc. They are just children who never grew up. You won't have as much selfish fun when you have kids, but you will have a huge sense of purpose. It's totally worth it.
I only had two children (it's probably too late for more, but I enjoy trying). I was always worried about being able to support them financially. What I have learned is that there is never enough money, even with baller income. When something is important, you will find a way, and when you can't find a way, it wasn't important. If I could go back I would have 5-6 kids at a minimum.
I feel ya, wife and i were this way but now we are going to try (early-mid 30s).
"Sometimes I think I’m not naturally conservative, but I am because of how crazy liberals are"
I used to be "socially liberal, fiscally conservative." I thought there was no party that could represent that closely.
But at least now I realize the "socially liberal" claims of the Democrat party are not true. And MOST importantly, I realize the claims of close-minded and crony capitalist claims ABOUT conservatives is just a liberal projection. Stopped me in my tracks.
I responded to your child question, but reading your initial post again, im throwing out my starter package for new pedes. Now, I know you aren't one, but theres some good videos in here. I think you may find the C.S. Lewis ones helpful.
Welcome to the Donald. Here I got you a starter package! I compiled these vids as more knowledge for you. I like to drop these packages for as many of these types of posts as possible. If you TRULY want to understand, I recommend you start with the Yuri Bezmenov video (Former KGB Deffector), Jordan Petersons on Marxism, and Untruths of Donald Trump by Stefan Molyneux. Please dive into these. The rabbit hole goes pretty damn deep, and unfortunately the DNC and MANY in the RNC are essentially a uniparty that’s pushing a lot of division.
•Yuri Bezmenov, KGB defector on how the soviets started the U.S. down the socialist path https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA
•JBP (Dr. Jordan Peterson) on Marxism short and long, VERY interesting: https://youtu.be/HXBjVau1w7Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDRgMUoEvcg
•PragerU on political islam https://youtu.be/Y9Enx4XxO1E and https://youtu.be/5AkAGc5nOXw
•Horowitz confronted with question by moderate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RWp0mMD-Dc very short MUST WATCH!
•Dr. Bill Warner on political islam https://youtu.be/9aoYOnzev2Q
•JBP on post modernism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoG9zBvvLQ
*Dr. Karyln Borysenko, the effect of post modern education and TDS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWJytCPHUS4
•Thomas Sowell on economic myths https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI
•Bernie Sanders in Nicaragua on communism https://youtu.be/n1gC_fIuqpw
•Sanders gave support to the sandanistas in Nicaragua https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-supported-socialist-sandinistas-honeymooned-in-ussr/
•Tommy Robinson lecture at Oxford https://youtu.be/_YQ94jFg_4A
•”DHS Whistleblower Phil Haney exposes Obama administration during Press Conference" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ5B4RRicag
• Milton Friedman on immigration: https://youtu.be/3eyJIbSgdSE
• Stefan Molyneux, the UNTRUTH about Donald Trump: https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg • Evan Sayt on modern liberal thinking: https://youtu.be/eaE98w1KZ-c
• Project VERITAS GOOGLE exposure of election meddling and censorship: https://youtu.be/5wo6iOWlDXA
• Breitbart before his murder, on the Frankfurt School and their anti western Marxist roots: https://youtu.be/mWgkYv-JOGA
• C.S. Lewis on pacifism, moral subjectivism, and equality: https://youtu.be/k2xY2k26HFo and https://youtu.be/TxL7U6JN2qs and https://youtu.be/Lgcd6jvsCFs
And for fun! https://youtu.be/E-HA7rj_peg
Crowder for fun! https://youtu.be/oss7KmiHLmA
I never wanted kids until I was in my 40s. Then I had one and my whole world changed - for the better. If I hadn't waited so long, I'd have more than one.
Welcome aboard fam. We love you
It's simple. You now believe in a future that transcends your own life. Having kids is a natural response to that worldview.
If you move out of LA/California to someplace based, you will find yourself around people more like yourself, and you will continue to evolve in a positive trajectory.
If you stay in the cesspool of degeneracy, you will continue to languish.
There’s no reason to choose to suffer a lower standard of living by living in the worst place in the country.
Don’t feel obligated to have kids if you don’t want them because then you’re disservice to the kid!
I’m like you except I’m in the Bible belt. r/Childfree would be great for you but just beware that there are lots of lefties.
If you're not married, you shouldn't have kids. Don't put the cart before the horse. Children are human beings who need both a mother and a father in a marriage relationship to love them and raise them. To do that, your lifestyle will have to change from living how you did when you were single to living as a father and a husband or a wife and a mother. Obviously, some things can stay the same, but the priorities will change from yourself to your family. It is a sacrifice, but what you gain from making that sacrifice of yourself is greater than anything you can do alone, because you will have made a family.
I usually don't like other people's kids and I absolutely hated babysitting growing up. But once people close to me started having kids, I saw it was a way to get to re-experience everything that was fun about being a kid, with a little person who had never done it before, like play in a sandbox, visit the zoo, blow bubbles. But children are people, not status symbols, not "conservative" byproducts. I think celebrities use their children a lot of times to show that they can "do it all," which is wrong. Not everyone in the world is supposed to be married. But children belong with a mother and father. Marriage--real marriage--provides both mother and father with the security of a committed relationship to both each other, and to raise children.
Talk to Jesus about getting a wife. If He sets you up with one, then ask Him for a child.
All these comments saying "just because you're conservative doesn't mean you have to have kids" and " don't have kids because you think you have to" are missing the point of what's going on here. Because you have woken up, opened your eyes to reality, your feelings are opening up to what is natural, and naturally what your role in society, or life, would be. Family is the cornerstone of all civilization, or society. Having a child is the greatest thing you will ever create. And it will create emotions, feelings, perspectives, and a drive in you that you can't get anywhere else. Some say you're not a whole person until you have kids. Just find the right girl. Remember that the baby's intelligence stems from the mother (twerking hoes prob dont make smart children). And don't quit after the baby's born and the mother turns all her attention to the child (away from you). That's the most common mistake guys make. Good luck!
I'm socially very liberal. And IMO - this is just me talking here - I think "conservative values" should include the inclination that everyone can do whatever they want. I'm pro-choice. I support gay marriage. Pro 2A of course. But the Trump Train includes many who don't adhere to the conservative stereotypes, that's one of the many great things about this movement.
At a state level? I vote Dem almost as often as I do Republican because sometimes the best candidates in my state are registered Dem. But on the Federal level, Conservative all the way. I strongly believe in states' rights and small fed..
WE JUST CAN'T STOP WINNING, FOLKS! THE TRUMP TRAIN JUST GOT 10 BILLION MPH FASTER!
CURRENT SPEED: 357,879,385,117,000 MPH!
At that rate, it would take approximately 4.689 years to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy (2.5 million light-years)!
Life is essentially created around procreation, and continuation of the species. There is something deep and ancient within you that awakens when you have kids.
It's not always easy, but there's nothing more important, and nothing more rewarding, than raising great kids that you genuinely like being around.
The people that I've seen who don't do well with kids are the ones who desperately try to hold onto a party lifestyle, and are constantly dishing them off and trying to escape. Kids want your time and attention. Be prepared to give them at least that.
It is a very interesting change though. You go from not really giving a fuck to being willing to literally crawl through a mile of broken glass and die to protect this little being. You realize your program is only about making sure theirs is set up right.
Id LOVE to have kids. But I am deathly afraid of asking women out these days. With everything swinging in their favor, id be hard pressed to find a woman who would sue me into the stone age just for asking her out. Im very VERY selective with whom I choose to date, but even then, I still have to watch my back and watch what I say. The last thing I want to do is lose everything ive ever worked for.
Oh, and dating SUCKS in the modern age. Every site has a swipe feature, and makes you pay for messaging or some other feature in order to participate. I miss the old days of going to bars and being able to talk to women. Now I just have to pray that they get my message and actually respond.
You don’t have to have kids if you don’t want them. That’s not part of being conservative. Rush doesnt have any.
YES PEDE -- REPLICATE We need more bricks for the wall and more high energy for the Trump Train.
WE JUST CAN'T STOP WINNING, FOLKS! THE TRUMP TRAIN JUST GOT 10 BILLION MPH FASTER!
CURRENT SPEED: 357,949,385,117,000 MPH!
At that rate, it would take approximately 4.688 years to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy (2.5 million light-years)!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET THIS PATRIOT A BRICK! THAT'S 167596 BRICKS HANDED OUT!
We are at 23.6056790735222811712611968% of our goal to BUILD THE WALL starting from Imperial Beach, CA to Brownsville, Texas! Let's make sure everyone gets a brick in the United States! For every Centipede a brick, for every brick a Centipede!
At this rate, the wall will be 1842.89297417192409718685552 MILES WIDE and 491.147455553756594545879212 FEET HIGH by tomorrow! DO YOUR PART!
Personally, I have really enjoyed being a mother. It’s been far more rewarding than I ever could have predicted to see my kids grow and learn about the world. IF you are financially stable and the other parent is a good person, it’s really not as hard to be a parent as people make it sound.
However, if you don’t actually want to have kids, don’t do it just because you feel pressure to. I do think that all of us benefit from having connections with people younger than us, but it doesn’t HAVE to be a biological connection. Maybe look for ways that you can mentor younger people to pass on your values to the ones who come after you.
My wife and I got to hear our babies heartbeat for the first time yesterday during our ultrasound appt. There was no happier feeling I've ever felt besides the day we got married. I highly recommend it. And this is coming from a guy that thought we couldn't have kids and would be dog parents for the rest of our days.
Have children if you want them and can support them.
DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN BECAUSE YOU FEEL OBLIGATED!
Those are the things that we all must figure out in this modern age. But believe me, it’s possible.
You're not obligated to have a kid. You're only now beginning to wake up, to see how much you've been lied to your whole life, especially living in south CA. Give yourself time to explore this new world you've found and to really start to dig into it. There's a lot to learn, and making a decision this early on probably isn't the best time. Give yourself some time to figure things out!