I watched that video earlier today and I think he has definitively demonstrated that the Chinese Virus originated in the Wuhan virology lab and that the CCP was aware of it long before they let on.
Long time viewer here,as the geopolitical climate changed to be more and more anti-foriegner he and serpentza became more and more vocal about what is really going on in China. They are both out now I believe.
Spez: Apparently serpentza is still there.
Also unrelated but interesting, it seems a lot of people watched Loawhy86's content in the past but he fell of their radar, just goes to show the power of the "youtube algorithm" when you criticize China.
I am guessing Serpentza is his wife? The last I watched was right around when they brought their baby to the US for the first time. It seemed like he was just starting to see the downsides of living in China right around then and his wife seemed to love America. I totally forgot about him. I am gonna have to start watching him again.
No Vivienne is Matt's wife. She has a YouTube as well called Vivienne Wei, but doesn't post too much anymore. SerpentZA is Winston, he is his partner on their shared channel ADV China.
Both Winston and Matt, and their wives and children, all live in southern California now.
Yeah! Started watching these guys when they were doing their best to explain the chinese housing quality and price (falling down and completely fake and insanely expensive). They seemed to be apologetic of everything Chinese...
until they were blocked from riding (motorcycles) anywhere they wanted, and were not allowed to sleep in a hotel unless they were Chinese. Did a 180 overnight. Kinda weird to watch. According to them, something about the Chinese stock market was the start of the anti-national sentiment.
No Winston is definitely in California now with Matt. They just did a stream the other day lol. His beautiful doctor wife Sasha also gave birth to a wonderful baby girl in the US of A!
Not quite. But his buddy Winston still is, and I think Matt is slowly making his way there. Still a little too wrapped up in China to see the big picture to be fully red pulled though.
They are incompetent. As nefarious as the Chinese government is, they are equally incompetent. There is a very popular thing in China where they will try to 'save face' to avoid looking bad, but don't actually care to do anything to mitigate what makes them look bad. It's a cultural thing from the government to the workings of a 4 person household. They just want to stop the surface level shame.
I suspect they rushed out these machines to capitalize on an opportunity to look like savior's to the world. Because you have to remember they want to appear strong, and they want the United States and other countries to appear weak. What better way than to be the one supplying aid and assistance to other countries in need?
They get headlines that say "China helps XYZ" and their lackeys at Western media outlets, all to happy to do their bidding, don't hold their feet to the fire when shit hits the fan. And they get away with it by most of the unaware general public.
Outside of that, in the video he references two doctors and scientists critical to the research, development, and exposure of the virus, who have both died (i.e. murdered) for crossing the Chinese government by exposing it. If it was a bioweapon deliberately used to attack us, I don't think we'd have chinese doctors and scientists come out and tell the world about it.
To be fair, these aren't necessarily either/or. There's also the principle of saving face, and if they screw up, they're not going to say they did it.
The other thing is that if someone is going to argue that this is a bioweapon, they have to recognize that it's not broadly attacking groups of people who would be more effective to kill to cripple potential enemies. If it predominantly kills older people, it would be better to argue that this was a population control mechanism that escaped rather than a bioweapon.
I don't think either of these is true due to the fact that a) Hubei has had a large number of SARS-like coronavirus outbreaks known since at least 2003 and b) the lab didn't open until 2015-2017.
But, given the more I read about this, including the possibility of kidney damage and damage to the testes, it's becoming much more difficult to argue against the notion that it's not a population control virus.
Exactly, and that complicates the application of it as a population control measure as well.
The only way they could do it, plausibly, would be to test it on prisoners but that presents a few other issues as well. Besides the ethical nature of the test (which the Chinese wouldn't care about), there's the risk of information escaping and the sample size being too small to determine whether the target demographics are substantially more effected than everyone else.
Given what I've discovered through research, it's far, far, far more likely this was a crossover from an animal to a person. It didn't come from bats, but it almost certainly originated from another host. The original SARS outbreak was eventually traced to a species of civet in the region, because they (and about 5 or 6 other species) have very similar ACE2 receptors to humans. Enough so that there is some possibility that minor mutations could spawn a zoonotic disease.
As u/lifeisahologram said, they're incompetent, but I'd go one step further to suggest this is a mix of incompetence and hubris.
The test kits they shipped out were some of the first that were using antibodies in effort to detect whether someone was exposed. Except they apparently didn't test them or the detection threshold was so high that it was unlikely to work.
China wants to be seen at the center of the medical universe as a country that's breaking into new frontiers. They wanted to rush something to market so people could praise China for what they've done.
And they screwed up because it's difficult to buy off doctors and scientists outside China when there's an ongoing pandemic in order to make it look like you're actually doing better than you are.
This is what I figured the whole time. I believe it was probably sheer incompetence of communism that led to its release - perhaps a shortage of proper PPE at the lab, while the people were forced to work anyway?
The Wuhan institute of virology (which is 300 meters from the wet market they claim it originated) was studying bats with a coronavirus that can infect people but did not have human to human transition. According to their own job postings it would seem.
Spez: To be clear, I think the wetmarket was just an easy scapegoat.
Agreed it could have been a bat from the lab or just the bioweapon itself, but I don't think some hunter killed a dozen bats and then sold them at the wet market.
Nah not what I meant at all. I think it is far more likely that staff at the lab were exposed, the proximity of the market served as, at least initially, as a excuse for the CCP.
Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases
The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.
Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested this morning and charged by criminal complaint with one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. Lieber will appear this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler in federal court in Boston, Massachusetts.>
Yanqing Ye, 29, a Chinese national, was charged in an indictment today with one count each of visa fraud, making false statements, acting as an agent of a foreign government and conspiracy. Ye is currently in China.
Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019.
Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China and was a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from in or about 2012 to 2017.
Certainly was. Ironically, one of the more detailed articles I've read including the most pieces of this puzzle in one place was also from Harvard. Long, technical, but we know as certainly as anything can be known that the original outbreak was created in a lab rather than being naturally occurring. How it got out we may never know.
The best single piece of news is that we are not fighting that same strain. It has mutated. Most mutations will make such a creature less dangerous, and that's what we're experiencing. Still nothing to take lightly.
The disinformation put out by official sources including Fauci is troubling.
It doesn't think. It just acts. Now why it would? I have no idea. Maybe being that volatile or what have you is an unstable state and prone to mutation and any mutation from it is a less deadly version. Shrug.
Excellent question. Most mutations are harmful or neutral, not beneficial. Also, a good parasite doesn't kill it's host. So it's more likely that this mutates to wipe itself out than it is that it mutates to wipe us out.
Neither of those extremes is at all likely. It's already mutating, and we're now fighting a less deadly version than the original.
Specifically he said human to human transmission is not possible and Americans have no cause for concern.
He's fostered opposition to HCQ use even though THOUSANDS of severely infected people were studied while being given chloroquine in all forms before we ever heard of it here. All did well, including chloroquine phosphate. Has Fauci corrected the media hysteria about that? Has he countered the media hysteria about anything?
Has Fauci said anything about China knowing HCQ would cure this type of thing 15 years ago?
He pushes the narrative this was a naturally occurring virus. As certainly as anything can be known, we know this came from a lab.
Has he even mentioned that we know of at least 8 Chinese Drs that tried to warn the world about this at the beginning of the outbreak? They all knew chloroquine would cure this and would have told us had they been given the chance. They were silenced by the CCP and now they're all dead. They should be recognized in the US as heroes.
Same here, I believed it came from a wet market since others have also come from there. Either way, I hope we can all agree to just stay the fuck away from bats from here on out
It's extremely plausible that the virus came from the wet market just by happenstance of how viruses show up out of the blue. Once upon a time, human-contagious Ebola didn't exist, then it did. You can't say that that's not a possibility.
I think it's vaguely plausibile that the lab nearby found a new coronavirus and was studying it, and a bad safety protocol got someone infected, and that person also frequented the wet market right down the street. The reason this is less plausible is because you don't just "find" a virus like that. There would've had to have been an infection event that drew their attention (ie: how ebola was found). It is possible that this virus originated in a rural region where there was an event that was very limited and contained, and the virus traveled to the lab and was studied there.
HOWEVER the theory that this was 'engineered' is insanely stupid, and there's a reason it's only people who don't have something even close to an education in microbiology or virology are saying that. Quit pushing things as facts when you have absolutely no proof and just feel something could be true.
Think about the billions, if not trillions, of virus multiplication events that have already happened inside human hosts as a result of this virus. Notice how the virus hasn't mutated to a viable new strain yet? That's because it takes an absolutely astonishing degree of time and effort for even nature to come up with a viable strain. Now, you want me to believe that Chinese doctors just spent the last few years "creating" a new virus by just incubating it in a Petri dish? Even through 'viral husbandry', it would take them decades to ever come up with something sufficiently different from the original strain, and there's no promise that new strain would be a viable bioweapon.
We also literally do not have the technology to just feed new genetic code into a machine and out squirts a virus.
Finally, if they somehow managed to cobble together a new viron out of other samples, it would be painfully obvious to any scientist that that was the case, because there would be chunks of 'misplaced' genetic code that would be matches to other virii.
Lastly, if this was a bioweapon, why the fuck would they release it on their own population? It doesn't kill enough people to 'control their population', and it isn't like China has any civil rights they can use the pandemic as an excuse to remove.
If you were going to use this as a weapon against the west, why the hell wouldn't you just put the virus in a travel-size bottle of shaving cream, fly to San Francisco, and spray a bunch homeless people, who would make the perfect host to incubate and spread it?
If your answer is 'CHINESE R DUM', then how retarded do you have to be to believe they can engineer a virus but are stupid enough to intentionally release it on themselves, embarrassing themselves on the world stage, and getting the rest of the world to hate them?
It's fun to think it was an engineered bioweapon, but it's also only something that could be believed if your sum knowledge of microbiology is 5th grade science. Russia and the US spent decades studying bioweapons in the early Cold War, and guess what - turns out we didn't come up with one single new bioweapon, and the best agents were all naturally occurring, like botulism, anthrax, and brucellosis.
How much do you want to bet the ChiComs cheated on the inspections in order to get that lab certified to operate, just like the Soviets cheated on the inspections to get Chernobyl up and running?
You can bioengineer a microbe by simply using weak solutions of antimicrobial agents, and growing out the survivors. Then slowly increase the strength of the solution, repeating............. resulting in microbial resistants. The medical industry does it every day.
Every heard of GMO corn? What does the GM mean?
What is a Chimera
No one said it was release on purpose. We (America) have lost 11 nukes. How many of those did we lose on purpose?
Agree, it could have either been a wet market or accidentally got out of control at the lab. Either way, viruses are a normal part of life. It's natural for them to change and mutate, it's not a conspiracy that viruses do what they evolved to do. Humans actually live symbiotically both with viruses and bacteria. I think people today are just so far removed from nature that we forget so much of this stuff is just a part of life.
HOWEVER the theory that this was 'engineered' is insanely stupid, and there's a reason it's only people who don't have something even close to an education in microbiology or virology are saying that. Quit pushing things as facts when you have absolutely no proof and just feel something could be true.
Sorry bud, you are wrong. Ther eare 3 ways IIRC to inserta gene, this is the same Sars-Bat hybrid with different insertion technique used by Harard in 2012 that the US banned research on in 2015
There is a lot of misinformation here, especially on Covid-19. I do my best to put things into context but some things people would rather not hear it. I got into it with one pede who was insistent that the death rate in his state was 0.03 percent, 3 in 10,000; which is ludicrous of course. Just didn't want to here how you do the math.
Getting real sick of literally every news source parroting that "100-240k DEATHS" figure. Thats not accurate. That's if we simply did nothing and just "let the virus run its course naturally".
I might but around 100k infections/cases but not that many deaths unless we really have an aging population and they're all getting infected
We were over 160,000 confirmed positive cases yesterday. With 40 million HCQ pills having been donated to US there is no good reason for large numbers of deaths, or for continued spiraling out of control.
The only reason both are happening is repeating Cuomo's mistake, denying infected people medicine unless they're in the hospital. Hospitalization means it's basically too late, you're going to die. Some do make it out alive, but even then you're likely to die in less than 2 years if you had to be put on a ventilator. ore ventilators is not really going to save many people.Just prolong the suffering and burnout and kill medical staff.
D Governors are mass murders and tyrants. They're all repeating Fauci's mistake, without announcing that policy. Some R Governors have gone batshit crazy too. We need to remove these people by force, immediately.
We've been donated 40 million pills of HCQ. On Trump pills the outcome:
no need to be hospitalized (3 out of 699 hospitalized, all 70+)
none needed to be put on a ventilator
0 dead
all breathing problems gone after 2 days
most are virus-free after 6 days.
There is NO reason for continued high numbers of people dying from this. Nor for continued spread like wildfire. Even people like me, chronic asthma never been controlled and 55 years old, HCQ prevents the disease from getting serious with early aggressive dosing. Were I to get infected and not have HCQ til after 3 days, my chances of survival could be quite low. Same for all the other high risk groups.
With just the 31 million doses of HCQ recently donated we have enough to treat
everyone in all the following categories:
everyone known to be currently infected
those currently infected but don't know it yet. Statistically this is 30% of those currently known to be infected, so another 48,000.
Everyone that 48,000 will infect.
Everyone already on HCQ long term
IOW we can beat this NOW but not if we repeat Cuomo's mistake, of denying medicine unless they've already been hospitalized. The reason for being hospitalized with Wuflu is you need a ventilator or are in danger of it.
Once hospitalized the outcome:
maybe you can avoid being put on a ventilator by being pumped full of steroids on an IV. They're pretty much flying blind with this but some cases do respond to the same stuff that's worked in other situations. (Other things besides steroids are also tried)
Once on a ventilator your chances of survival are about 50/50. Death might take a month, which is why "ICU beds and ventilators" get filled so quickly.This is NOT the way to treat this!
Even if you survive a ventilator you have permanent lung damage, and probably other organ damage too in which case you'll probably die in less than 2 years. Doesn't matter what age you are, but obviously 70+ do worse.
Are there any zoonetic diseases that are as contagious as the Wuhan fever? That's a big red flag that this is a bioweapon.
It could be that the virus inadvertently escaped from the lab but it's also possible that China intentionally released it to quell the Hong Kong protests or as an act of war. When you're a totalitarian regime with a population of more than 1.3 billion people, who cares if a few hundred million die. It's going to be far more devastating to your enemies.
I've been pretty vocal here about this not being a bioweapon. I still don't believe it is for a variety of reasons that probably aren't worth repeating ad nauseum.
However, it's becoming increasingly more difficult to argue that this wasn't designed as a population control virus.
If you really want to get scared, read this (pre-print warning). Besides kidney damage, SARS-family viruses may cause infertility in males (the testes have an abundance of cells with ACE2 receptors) and testicular tumors.
I pick the Communist government suppresses information along with the help of the WHO and impeachment crazy Democrats/media causing massive world-wide economic damage button.
I came across this in another article. What does it mean? Are there more than one coronavirus going around?
Finally, those with digestive symptoms were much more likely to have the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, detected in their stool, with about 73 percent having positive stool samples, compared with 14 percent of those with respiratory symptoms only. This finding suggests, but does not definitely confirm, that that virus infects the gastrointestinal tract, the authors said
Check out the video in the top comment. The video doesn’t say it’s necessary a bio weapon, but does seem to show that it was a novel corona virus that was being studied at that lab.
Maybe it was just poor safety practices rather than intentional malice?
As long as the deep state is always trying to derail Trump, and as long as China is always trying to crush reporting on Hong Kong, every timing looks astronomically convenient.
The meme is not claiming it is. The joke is if you say it came from a bioweapons lab, you're labeled a conspiracy theorist, but if you claim it was a result of their sanitation and eating culture being horrible, you cant say that without being labeled racist. The latter is the official story. But criticizing China either way is not allowed.
The video released by Laowhy86 today I think shows it unfortunately is a virus that slipped out of the lab. Scary shit.
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU
I watched that video earlier today and I think he has definitively demonstrated that the Chinese Virus originated in the Wuhan virology lab and that the CCP was aware of it long before they let on.
Woah. I used to watch that guys videos years ago and he seemed to love China and make videos about how fun it is to live there. Did he get red-pilled?
Long time viewer here,as the geopolitical climate changed to be more and more anti-foriegner he and serpentza became more and more vocal about what is really going on in China. They are both out now I believe.
Spez: Apparently serpentza is still there.
Also unrelated but interesting, it seems a lot of people watched Loawhy86's content in the past but he fell of their radar, just goes to show the power of the "youtube algorithm" when you criticize China.
I am guessing Serpentza is his wife? The last I watched was right around when they brought their baby to the US for the first time. It seemed like he was just starting to see the downsides of living in China right around then and his wife seemed to love America. I totally forgot about him. I am gonna have to start watching him again.
No it's Wilson, the south African guy that always wears a suit. According to other comments he is still there.
No Vivienne is Matt's wife. She has a YouTube as well called Vivienne Wei, but doesn't post too much anymore. SerpentZA is Winston, he is his partner on their shared channel ADV China.
Both Winston and Matt, and their wives and children, all live in southern California now.
Was really close to teaching there 6 yrs ago. Was in Shanghai once and had creepy military vibes. Glad I didn't.
As in totalitarian military vibes? Or hangin with the boys American military vibes?
Totalitarian
Yeah! Started watching these guys when they were doing their best to explain the chinese housing quality and price (falling down and completely fake and insanely expensive). They seemed to be apologetic of everything Chinese...
until they were blocked from riding (motorcycles) anywhere they wanted, and were not allowed to sleep in a hotel unless they were Chinese. Did a 180 overnight. Kinda weird to watch. According to them, something about the Chinese stock market was the start of the anti-national sentiment.
No Winston is definitely in California now with Matt. They just did a stream the other day lol. His beautiful doctor wife Sasha also gave birth to a wonderful baby girl in the US of A!
He immigrated the correct way.
Not quite. But his buddy Winston still is, and I think Matt is slowly making his way there. Still a little too wrapped up in China to see the big picture to be fully red pulled though.
They are incompetent. As nefarious as the Chinese government is, they are equally incompetent. There is a very popular thing in China where they will try to 'save face' to avoid looking bad, but don't actually care to do anything to mitigate what makes them look bad. It's a cultural thing from the government to the workings of a 4 person household. They just want to stop the surface level shame.
I suspect they rushed out these machines to capitalize on an opportunity to look like savior's to the world. Because you have to remember they want to appear strong, and they want the United States and other countries to appear weak. What better way than to be the one supplying aid and assistance to other countries in need?
They get headlines that say "China helps XYZ" and their lackeys at Western media outlets, all to happy to do their bidding, don't hold their feet to the fire when shit hits the fan. And they get away with it by most of the unaware general public.
Outside of that, in the video he references two doctors and scientists critical to the research, development, and exposure of the virus, who have both died (i.e. murdered) for crossing the Chinese government by exposing it. If it was a bioweapon deliberately used to attack us, I don't think we'd have chinese doctors and scientists come out and tell the world about it.
To be fair, these aren't necessarily either/or. There's also the principle of saving face, and if they screw up, they're not going to say they did it.
The other thing is that if someone is going to argue that this is a bioweapon, they have to recognize that it's not broadly attacking groups of people who would be more effective to kill to cripple potential enemies. If it predominantly kills older people, it would be better to argue that this was a population control mechanism that escaped rather than a bioweapon.
I don't think either of these is true due to the fact that a) Hubei has had a large number of SARS-like coronavirus outbreaks known since at least 2003 and b) the lab didn't open until 2015-2017.
But, given the more I read about this, including the possibility of kidney damage and damage to the testes, it's becoming much more difficult to argue against the notion that it's not a population control virus.
i don't think there is any way for them to be able to know who it would be most effective against.
Exactly, and that complicates the application of it as a population control measure as well.
The only way they could do it, plausibly, would be to test it on prisoners but that presents a few other issues as well. Besides the ethical nature of the test (which the Chinese wouldn't care about), there's the risk of information escaping and the sample size being too small to determine whether the target demographics are substantially more effected than everyone else.
Given what I've discovered through research, it's far, far, far more likely this was a crossover from an animal to a person. It didn't come from bats, but it almost certainly originated from another host. The original SARS outbreak was eventually traced to a species of civet in the region, because they (and about 5 or 6 other species) have very similar ACE2 receptors to humans. Enough so that there is some possibility that minor mutations could spawn a zoonotic disease.
That's what I said. What's your point?
As u/lifeisahologram said, they're incompetent, but I'd go one step further to suggest this is a mix of incompetence and hubris.
The test kits they shipped out were some of the first that were using antibodies in effort to detect whether someone was exposed. Except they apparently didn't test them or the detection threshold was so high that it was unlikely to work.
China wants to be seen at the center of the medical universe as a country that's breaking into new frontiers. They wanted to rush something to market so people could praise China for what they've done.
And they screwed up because it's difficult to buy off doctors and scientists outside China when there's an ongoing pandemic in order to make it look like you're actually doing better than you are.
China is, as the great proverb says, asshoe.
Hey I posted that earlier too. Great information.
This is what I figured the whole time. I believe it was probably sheer incompetence of communism that led to its release - perhaps a shortage of proper PPE at the lab, while the people were forced to work anyway?
Yup. Maybe no different than Chernobyl probably.
Ppl have been eating bats for centuries there. This was an oopsie-daisy from China’s only level 4 virology lab... which happens to be in Wuhan.
It might have been a discarded lab animal from the level 4 lab sold to a wet market, but I don't buy the theory it was a diseased bat.
The Wuhan institute of virology (which is 300 meters from the wet market they claim it originated) was studying bats with a coronavirus that can infect people but did not have human to human transition. According to their own job postings it would seem.
Spez: To be clear, I think the wetmarket was just an easy scapegoat.
Agreed it could have been a bat from the lab or just the bioweapon itself, but I don't think some hunter killed a dozen bats and then sold them at the wet market.
Nah not what I meant at all. I think it is far more likely that staff at the lab were exposed, the proximity of the market served as, at least initially, as a excuse for the CCP.
Gotta love how the wiki page for that institute calls our allegations "far-right conspiracy theories"
The efficacy of hcq was a far right conspiracy theory last week. Now democrat leaders are begging for it.
Or someone from the lab was selling experiment animals to the wet market
This theory makes the most sense. Accidental release due to incompetence.
this is a bioweapon
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related
Thank you! Great info.
Certainly was. Ironically, one of the more detailed articles I've read including the most pieces of this puzzle in one place was also from Harvard. Long, technical, but we know as certainly as anything can be known that the original outbreak was created in a lab rather than being naturally occurring. How it got out we may never know.
The best single piece of news is that we are not fighting that same strain. It has mutated. Most mutations will make such a creature less dangerous, and that's what we're experiencing. Still nothing to take lightly.
The disinformation put out by official sources including Fauci is troubling.
It doesn't think. It just acts. Now why it would? I have no idea. Maybe being that volatile or what have you is an unstable state and prone to mutation and any mutation from it is a less deadly version. Shrug.
COMPLETE GUESS
Excellent question. Most mutations are harmful or neutral, not beneficial. Also, a good parasite doesn't kill it's host. So it's more likely that this mutates to wipe itself out than it is that it mutates to wipe us out.
Neither of those extremes is at all likely. It's already mutating, and we're now fighting a less deadly version than the original.
Fauci has been very factual in my experience so far.
What are you referring to specifically?
Specifically he said human to human transmission is not possible and Americans have no cause for concern.
He's fostered opposition to HCQ use even though THOUSANDS of severely infected people were studied while being given chloroquine in all forms before we ever heard of it here. All did well, including chloroquine phosphate. Has Fauci corrected the media hysteria about that? Has he countered the media hysteria about anything?
Has Fauci said anything about China knowing HCQ would cure this type of thing 15 years ago?
He pushes the narrative this was a naturally occurring virus. As certainly as anything can be known, we know this came from a lab.
Has he even mentioned that we know of at least 8 Chinese Drs that tried to warn the world about this at the beginning of the outbreak? They all knew chloroquine would cure this and would have told us had they been given the chance. They were silenced by the CCP and now they're all dead. They should be recognized in the US as heroes.
Fauci is part of the ongoing coup attempt.
Same here, I believed it came from a wet market since others have also come from there. Either way, I hope we can all agree to just stay the fuck away from bats from here on out
Hmmm one results in "staying away from bats" the other results in "dismantling the CCP"
just something to note.
I like my veggies and all and I can’t promise I won’t stop eating cows, chickens, and pigs. But you have my word I won’t eat a fucking bat.
It's extremely plausible that the virus came from the wet market just by happenstance of how viruses show up out of the blue. Once upon a time, human-contagious Ebola didn't exist, then it did. You can't say that that's not a possibility.
I think it's vaguely plausibile that the lab nearby found a new coronavirus and was studying it, and a bad safety protocol got someone infected, and that person also frequented the wet market right down the street. The reason this is less plausible is because you don't just "find" a virus like that. There would've had to have been an infection event that drew their attention (ie: how ebola was found). It is possible that this virus originated in a rural region where there was an event that was very limited and contained, and the virus traveled to the lab and was studied there.
HOWEVER the theory that this was 'engineered' is insanely stupid, and there's a reason it's only people who don't have something even close to an education in microbiology or virology are saying that. Quit pushing things as facts when you have absolutely no proof and just feel something could be true.
Think about the billions, if not trillions, of virus multiplication events that have already happened inside human hosts as a result of this virus. Notice how the virus hasn't mutated to a viable new strain yet? That's because it takes an absolutely astonishing degree of time and effort for even nature to come up with a viable strain. Now, you want me to believe that Chinese doctors just spent the last few years "creating" a new virus by just incubating it in a Petri dish? Even through 'viral husbandry', it would take them decades to ever come up with something sufficiently different from the original strain, and there's no promise that new strain would be a viable bioweapon.
We also literally do not have the technology to just feed new genetic code into a machine and out squirts a virus.
Finally, if they somehow managed to cobble together a new viron out of other samples, it would be painfully obvious to any scientist that that was the case, because there would be chunks of 'misplaced' genetic code that would be matches to other virii.
Lastly, if this was a bioweapon, why the fuck would they release it on their own population? It doesn't kill enough people to 'control their population', and it isn't like China has any civil rights they can use the pandemic as an excuse to remove.
If you were going to use this as a weapon against the west, why the hell wouldn't you just put the virus in a travel-size bottle of shaving cream, fly to San Francisco, and spray a bunch homeless people, who would make the perfect host to incubate and spread it?
If your answer is 'CHINESE R DUM', then how retarded do you have to be to believe they can engineer a virus but are stupid enough to intentionally release it on themselves, embarrassing themselves on the world stage, and getting the rest of the world to hate them?
It's fun to think it was an engineered bioweapon, but it's also only something that could be believed if your sum knowledge of microbiology is 5th grade science. Russia and the US spent decades studying bioweapons in the early Cold War, and guess what - turns out we didn't come up with one single new bioweapon, and the best agents were all naturally occurring, like botulism, anthrax, and brucellosis.
How much do you want to bet the ChiComs cheated on the inspections in order to get that lab certified to operate, just like the Soviets cheated on the inspections to get Chernobyl up and running?
I doubt they had to cheat anything, since they don't report to anyone but themselves.
They straight up steal everything and the WTO doesn't even give a shit.
80% of all new strains of flu come from China.
You can bioengineer a microbe by simply using weak solutions of antimicrobial agents, and growing out the survivors. Then slowly increase the strength of the solution, repeating............. resulting in microbial resistants. The medical industry does it every day.
Every heard of GMO corn? What does the GM mean?
What is a Chimera
No one said it was release on purpose. We (America) have lost 11 nukes. How many of those did we lose on purpose?
Agree, it could have either been a wet market or accidentally got out of control at the lab. Either way, viruses are a normal part of life. It's natural for them to change and mutate, it's not a conspiracy that viruses do what they evolved to do. Humans actually live symbiotically both with viruses and bacteria. I think people today are just so far removed from nature that we forget so much of this stuff is just a part of life.
Sorry bud, you are wrong. Ther eare 3 ways IIRC to inserta gene, this is the same Sars-Bat hybrid with different insertion technique used by Harard in 2012 that the US banned research on in 2015
This guy has been on here repeating the official Chinese state propaganda ever since the outbreak began.
There is a lot of misinformation here, especially on Covid-19. I do my best to put things into context but some things people would rather not hear it. I got into it with one pede who was insistent that the death rate in his state was 0.03 percent, 3 in 10,000; which is ludicrous of course. Just didn't want to here how you do the math.
PraiseBeToScience. He shills hard for the cover story.
Well said
Getting real sick of literally every news source parroting that "100-240k DEATHS" figure. Thats not accurate. That's if we simply did nothing and just "let the virus run its course naturally".
I might but around 100k infections/cases but not that many deaths unless we really have an aging population and they're all getting infected
We were over 160,000 confirmed positive cases yesterday. With 40 million HCQ pills having been donated to US there is no good reason for large numbers of deaths, or for continued spiraling out of control.
The only reason both are happening is repeating Cuomo's mistake, denying infected people medicine unless they're in the hospital. Hospitalization means it's basically too late, you're going to die. Some do make it out alive, but even then you're likely to die in less than 2 years if you had to be put on a ventilator. ore ventilators is not really going to save many people.Just prolong the suffering and burnout and kill medical staff.
D Governors are mass murders and tyrants. They're all repeating Fauci's mistake, without announcing that policy. Some R Governors have gone batshit crazy too. We need to remove these people by force, immediately.
Even Trump admitted it was going to be that bad.
I believe him.
Wrong. The White House clearly stated that if we did nothing, there would be more than 2.3 million dead in the US alone.
The 100,000 deaths is the inevitable low-number, no matter what we do.
Here's hoping the Trump Hydroxy Moxie turns the tide the other way bigly.
We've been donated 40 million pills of HCQ. On Trump pills the outcome:
There is NO reason for continued high numbers of people dying from this. Nor for continued spread like wildfire. Even people like me, chronic asthma never been controlled and 55 years old, HCQ prevents the disease from getting serious with early aggressive dosing. Were I to get infected and not have HCQ til after 3 days, my chances of survival could be quite low. Same for all the other high risk groups.
With just the 31 million doses of HCQ recently donated we have enough to treat everyone in all the following categories:
everyone known to be currently infected
those currently infected but don't know it yet. Statistically this is 30% of those currently known to be infected, so another 48,000.
Everyone that 48,000 will infect.
Everyone already on HCQ long term
IOW we can beat this NOW but not if we repeat Cuomo's mistake, of denying medicine unless they've already been hospitalized. The reason for being hospitalized with Wuflu is you need a ventilator or are in danger of it.
Once hospitalized the outcome:
maybe you can avoid being put on a ventilator by being pumped full of steroids on an IV. They're pretty much flying blind with this but some cases do respond to the same stuff that's worked in other situations. (Other things besides steroids are also tried)
Once on a ventilator your chances of survival are about 50/50. Death might take a month, which is why "ICU beds and ventilators" get filled so quickly.This is NOT the way to treat this!
Even if you survive a ventilator you have permanent lung damage, and probably other organ damage too in which case you'll probably die in less than 2 years. Doesn't matter what age you are, but obviously 70+ do worse.
We'll see I guess. I don't believe we'll come anywhere close to 100k deaths in America
This site needs a RemindMe! bot
Pretty dumb take. We're already at 200k cases, and those are just the cases we know about.
Are there any zoonetic diseases that are as contagious as the Wuhan fever? That's a big red flag that this is a bioweapon.
It could be that the virus inadvertently escaped from the lab but it's also possible that China intentionally released it to quell the Hong Kong protests or as an act of war. When you're a totalitarian regime with a population of more than 1.3 billion people, who cares if a few hundred million die. It's going to be far more devastating to your enemies.
and you could shield it as an accident to which boomers respond "lol no bat soup for me fukn chinese"
Why not both?
I've been pretty vocal here about this not being a bioweapon. I still don't believe it is for a variety of reasons that probably aren't worth repeating ad nauseum.
However, it's becoming increasingly more difficult to argue that this wasn't designed as a population control virus.
If you really want to get scared, read this (pre-print warning). Besides kidney damage, SARS-family viruses may cause infertility in males (the testes have an abundance of cells with ACE2 receptors) and testicular tumors.
Why think about it too much? Just buy a nintendo switch and play video games like a responsible adult.
And don't be a racist conspiracy theorist.
It warms my heart to see such a sturdy template.
I pick the Communist government suppresses information along with the help of the WHO and impeachment crazy Democrats/media causing massive world-wide economic damage button.
Call it by it's real name the WUHAN/CCP virus
I click BOTH buttons!
I came across this in another article. What does it mean? Are there more than one coronavirus going around?
Finally, those with digestive symptoms were much more likely to have the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, detected in their stool, with about 73 percent having positive stool samples, compared with 14 percent of those with respiratory symptoms only. This finding suggests, but does not definitely confirm, that that virus infects the gastrointestinal tract, the authors said
Anyone remember Gutter Oil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDTs_4eNk1Q
Scooping oil from the sewer
Check out the video in the top comment. The video doesn’t say it’s necessary a bio weapon, but does seem to show that it was a novel corona virus that was being studied at that lab.
Maybe it was just poor safety practices rather than intentional malice?
If it was an accident then the timing is astronomically convenient for trying to derail Trump and crush reporting of Hong Kong protesters.
As long as the deep state is always trying to derail Trump, and as long as China is always trying to crush reporting on Hong Kong, every timing looks astronomically convenient.
I believe that was the main (if muted) international objection to China establishing that lab in 2016/17.
Dead or otherwise "used" test animals sold to wet markets for extra $$$ is the story I've seen floated about.
There are tons of coronaviri being being studied in the China and in the world. That doesn’t mean anything.
BS. New lab. Job postings correlate with timeline. It's worth consideration instead of waiting for China to approve it's origins.
The meme is not claiming it is. The joke is if you say it came from a bioweapons lab, you're labeled a conspiracy theorist, but if you claim it was a result of their sanitation and eating culture being horrible, you cant say that without being labeled racist. The latter is the official story. But criticizing China either way is not allowed.
The titling was bad. It makes this look like a lefty meme, but it's actually an example of how the left can't meme because they are a meme.