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Trump4a3rdTerm 12 points ago +12 / -0

Gun sales are at an unprecedented level.

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VictorLaszlo2020 12 points ago +13 / -1

Too late. Almost all of our rights have already been taken. It was called the patriot act.

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prodigyx 3 points ago +3 / -0

I wouldn't say that almost all of our rights have been taken already. I would agree that the Patriot Act has been the biggest erosion of our rights at least in my lifetime.

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MeanMisterMustardCap 1 point ago +1 / -0

Psssssst: it was 12 USC 95(a).

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the_bearded_red -3 points ago +2 / -5

You sound like a liberal woman

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Dead_Precedents 4 points ago +4 / -0

They do if people ignore Ben Franklin's immortal words ...

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

And when we surrender rights to crooked politicians and bureaucrats, we dont get them back. At least not peacefully.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

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the_bearded_red -19 points ago +4 / -23

Can we please stop with these posts. Temporary restrictions do not equal permanent losses of rights. I'm willing to bet the same people posting this nonsense are the same "juSt ThE FLu" crowd.

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VictorLaszlo2020 15 points ago +16 / -1

When did the govt. Ever do anything (especially gaining power) temporarily?

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the_bearded_red -13 points ago +3 / -16

So you think Trump's plan is to keep the nation locked down forever? You think States are going to just permanently lock down?

That's absolute nonsense. There would be riots in the streets, and rightfully so. Won't happen.

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quartz 11 points ago +11 / -0

You're only doing surface-level thinking here. What about the next pandemic scare? What about the next pandemic scare when dems are in office?

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the_bearded_red -6 points ago +2 / -8

If the next pandemic is as bad as this one, we do the same, hopefully sooner.

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LibertyorDeath45 12 points ago +12 / -0

War time income taxes are temporary!

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DisgustedByMisleadia -9 points ago +2 / -11

Which rights are being taken away?

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DisgustedByMisleadia -10 points ago +1 / -11

I know what it says.

Be specific. What rights are being violated, and how?

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DisgustedByMisleadia -8 points ago +2 / -10

Yes, I know what it says.

If you can't be specific about what is being violated and how, then I think you don't know what it says.

Stop evading my question.

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DisgustedByMisleadia -7 points ago +2 / -9
  • Freedom of movement

There's no "freedom of movement" in the Constitution, but the Interstate Commerce Clause has been interpreted to provide it between the states. But, the federal government can only regulate freedom of movement between states, or international. States retain the right to regulate movement within their states under the Privileges and Immunities Clause, and this has been upheld by SCOTUS, especially in the context of public health.

  • 2A infringements

I'm not aware of anyone that has escalated any infringement of the right to keep and bear arms. (Post-Katrina, there's an explicit law against it). Ordering a store to close for public health reasons prevents someone from acquiring one via retail channels, but not outright. After the federal government issued an advisory against closing them, some states have provided for reopening on a limited basis, as long as they implement measures to prevent spread of infections.

  • Freedom of peaceful assembly

You can still assemble. You are doing it right now. I don't know about your particular state, but mine doesn't prohibit assembly in person as long as social distance is maintained.

  • Freedom of speech

You are exercising your freedom of speech, right now. You could go out in your front yard and stand on your soapbox, but it's unlikely anyone will (or even want to) listen to you.

  • Right to free trade

There is no explicit right to free trade. The Constitution grants the power to the federal government to "regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." For intra-state trade, it's up to your state.

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DisgustedByMisleadia -6 points ago +2 / -8

Everything I just posted is based on Constitutional law. Some of them are actual precedents set by federal court decisions, including SCOTUS.

Feel free to do your own research to find an alternate interpretation from an authoritative source. I'll wait.

But, spare me the chest-beating. It just makes you look like a grumpy old bastard.

(and for the record, I'm an old fart, too)

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thelakeoutwest 1 point ago +1 / -0

Im with ya. Im not going to go in a crowded area or encourage people to just because "ree temporary restriction on muh first amendment."