They didn’t start it Tuesday. Maybe Friday, IDK. The stuff works. I think it has rapidly spread and is being used by a lot of hospitals (not the most TDS ones, I’m sure).
I think the “curve” is about to start falling dramatically. H + Z needs to be given to everyone who gets CV, not just those hospitalized.
Actually there some evidence that it may work as a preventive, e.g. for hospital workers, family members of infected people, etc. And if it's confirmed to work for that, it may turn out that it's effectively a vaccine for people who are definitely getting exposed to the virus, since they would presumably develop antibodies while the hydroxychloroquine is keeping their viral loads way too low for them to develop any symptoms.
That’s how they originally discovered the drug’s benefits. It is used by people who have Lupus - a disease that weakens the immune system. They expected most Lupus patients would get the virus, instead none did. That’s how they figured out that this drug is effective. So it’s definitely a preventative.
Phase 1 is to use it only on hospitalized patients and staff. That ensures our limited quantities are put to their best use and supervised by a doctor 24/7 to look for things going wrong. They are seeing that things are going right. The drug doesn’t work well at all if it is not used until people are already on a respirator. It needs to be given sooner.
Phase 2 should be to give it to everyone who gets CV. I think we should be doing that today, but my best guess is it’s still a week away from doctors doing this. I think we have enough supply that it would not be a problem as long as people do not hoard.
Phase 3 should be to take it as a preventative - most or all of us could be doing this in the fall. Once a week I believe is enough. We don’t have enough stored away for that yet, but could in a few months. This to me is the final end game - it’s as close to a miracle cure as you can get.
The FDA needs to get out of the way and let tons of companies mass produce the stuff. Make it as common as Tylenol and get rid of these stupid lockdowns.
Glad you said that. I was going to try to find the link to that WSJ article that was just on here & said the Chinese noticed the 80 lupus patients in the hospital over there did not get it, as they were on hydroxychloroquine. I had saved it somewhere to give to a friend who takes it for rheumatoid arthritis. It is stated in the 5th paragraph. https://archive.is/timHx
Well, don’t forget that a vaccine should be ready by early next year. This is just a stop-gap to get us there. At a minimum, I think that the high-risk groups (60+, immunodeficient) should use H as a prophylactic.
I think this is how Prez knew the drugs worked. He is taking it. In normal Trump fashion, when he's excited and has good news, he let it slip this works.
I'm convinced most of the White House staff is taking it. We can't afford for any of them to be sick and not at work.
I'm convinced most of the White House staff is taking it. We can't afford for any of them to be sick and not at work.
I hope so. There was a lot of exaggeration early on, about how effective it is (e.g. "100% cure rate" claims), but there's plenty of evidence that it's the best available treatment right now, and quite possibly the best available preventive measure too.
As I understand it (family member works in NYC hospital), NY hospitals started giving ICU patients the drugs last week. These patients are very ill and mostly the type who were one bad illness away from the grave, covid or otherwise. The drug hasn't been hugely effective in this group, but hospitals have begun giving it to not as sick admitted patients this week. If you think you have it, call your physician and suggest the plaquenil/z-pak and they will prescribe it.
HCQ is a zinc ionophore. It helps zinc enter the cells and disrupt viral replication. Many people are deficient in minerals and zinc is one many need more of. If HCQ isn't paired with zinc, it's not as effective as it could be. If the patient already has bacterial pneumonia and isn't also given a z-pak, it will not be as effective as it could be.
There wasn't supposed to be a cure. There are many who want this to go on as long as possible. The FDA wanted at least a year to approve HCQ to treat Wuhan Flu.
It would be nice to live one's life without having to confront Evil, but here it is. Worse than ever and armed with technology.
Governors actually attempting to ban HCQ for COVID-19!
Media presstitutes are discouraging HCQ use with scare tactics and attempting to discredit sources.
These death cultists wanted the deepest impact possible on Western civilization and are outraged that lowly quinine, zinc, and a Z-pak will foil their plans.
So not a panacea but is helpful in aiding the vast majority. Though due to the coronavirus abilty to so quickly move through a society their will still be a high death count of those in the highest risk. So do we sacrifice the those at the highest risk or the bull economy? The humanitarian say that money is not worth lives but the economist may say there are lives lost in a recession as well. Quite the dilemma.
Yeah, it's not some miracle cure for someone who has already been intubated, nothing really is. But it does seem promising for people who haven't reached that point yet. Getting positive covids on it early may be huge (the instant test should help with this as well), we'll have better numbers on its effectiveness next week.
The media assholes will come out and say “see?! It was used on these already terminally ill folks and didn’t save them! Trump is an IDIOT! false hope!! Don’t use these meds!”
My theory is the governors know the success but holding back results to continue the massive flow of supplies. To me, they are holding our economy hostage.
Why do you think we are suddenly having the war on drug cartels in the only damn place in the World where raw materials to make hydrochloroquine literally grow on trees?
I don't know why. There are supposedly millions of pills and more on the way, and that should be enough to treat existing patients who are confirmed to have the virus. Perhaps the issue is that future patients will also need these pills or that the pills need to go with something else (e.g., zinc, az) that is in short supply.
At least many of those who are hospitalized can?/will? receive it.
For this to be used as a prophylactic, I suspect production would have to scale to 100 million - 1 billion pill/day mark. Unfortunately, I think we are very far from that, but I also haven't heard any specific discussion over how much we have and can produce.
That one older medical lady talking at the podium at the presser today said that there was no vaccine and no treatment. Huh? She didn't even acknowledge it as a treatment. I know she used a different word than treatment, but I can't remember what it was. Alleviation, maybe? What ever word it was, I was like, what??
SPEZ: Found it, she said "I know we don't have a vaccine. And I know we don't have a therapeutic."
A vaccine is placing antibodies in place and is a preventive measure.
A therapeutic is a treatment option that has shown to resolve the malady.
I haven’t caught today’s conference, some of these scientists might be being very technical and precise, even to a fault. Acknowledging the effectiveness of HQZ + zPaxk + Zinc is not meeting a technical threshold and framework of how these scientists want to answer the question.
If you ask someone that has a lifetime of experience in a given field, a general question should be seen as such and answered accordingly. But, the stakes are pretty high and they don’t have enough data (or balls?) to make a general statement.
And as soon as they even hint at supporting what the President said, the anti American press chimes in with “well, that’s not true!!! We don’t have the 12 year study completed to prove such a thing! Once again, more lies! REE!”
Because it cures alot of other serious diseases and they have been hiding it for decades.
And its about to spill.
Its a parasite killer. Blood suckers dont want it in the human blood supply.
Gonna be millions of very pissed off people all over the world I expect when the truth breaks
They didn’t start it Tuesday. Maybe Friday, IDK. The stuff works. I think it has rapidly spread and is being used by a lot of hospitals (not the most TDS ones, I’m sure).
I think the “curve” is about to start falling dramatically. H + Z needs to be given to everyone who gets CV, not just those hospitalized.
Actually there some evidence that it may work as a preventive, e.g. for hospital workers, family members of infected people, etc. And if it's confirmed to work for that, it may turn out that it's effectively a vaccine for people who are definitely getting exposed to the virus, since they would presumably develop antibodies while the hydroxychloroquine is keeping their viral loads way too low for them to develop any symptoms.
That’s how they originally discovered the drug’s benefits. It is used by people who have Lupus - a disease that weakens the immune system. They expected most Lupus patients would get the virus, instead none did. That’s how they figured out that this drug is effective. So it’s definitely a preventative.
Phase 1 is to use it only on hospitalized patients and staff. That ensures our limited quantities are put to their best use and supervised by a doctor 24/7 to look for things going wrong. They are seeing that things are going right. The drug doesn’t work well at all if it is not used until people are already on a respirator. It needs to be given sooner.
Phase 2 should be to give it to everyone who gets CV. I think we should be doing that today, but my best guess is it’s still a week away from doctors doing this. I think we have enough supply that it would not be a problem as long as people do not hoard.
Phase 3 should be to take it as a preventative - most or all of us could be doing this in the fall. Once a week I believe is enough. We don’t have enough stored away for that yet, but could in a few months. This to me is the final end game - it’s as close to a miracle cure as you can get.
The FDA needs to get out of the way and let tons of companies mass produce the stuff. Make it as common as Tylenol and get rid of these stupid lockdowns.
Its already FDA APPROVED
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/03/30/fda-approves-anti-malarial-drugs-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-emergency-coronavirus-treatment/
Prayin' for this to roll out sooner rather than later. I fear they are delaying it to maximize damage.
Glad you said that. I was going to try to find the link to that WSJ article that was just on here & said the Chinese noticed the 80 lupus patients in the hospital over there did not get it, as they were on hydroxychloroquine. I had saved it somewhere to give to a friend who takes it for rheumatoid arthritis. It is stated in the 5th paragraph. https://archive.is/timHx
There was research from 2005 snowing the drugs worked on SARS and earlier cov type viruses. Chloroquine Known as Effective Against Coronavirus Since 2005
Well, don’t forget that a vaccine should be ready by early next year. This is just a stop-gap to get us there. At a minimum, I think that the high-risk groups (60+, immunodeficient) should use H as a prophylactic.
I am not taking a vaccine and neither is anyone else I know.
I think this is how Prez knew the drugs worked. He is taking it. In normal Trump fashion, when he's excited and has good news, he let it slip this works.
I'm convinced most of the White House staff is taking it. We can't afford for any of them to be sick and not at work.
I hope so. There was a lot of exaggeration early on, about how effective it is (e.g. "100% cure rate" claims), but there's plenty of evidence that it's the best available treatment right now, and quite possibly the best available preventive measure too.
As I understand it (family member works in NYC hospital), NY hospitals started giving ICU patients the drugs last week. These patients are very ill and mostly the type who were one bad illness away from the grave, covid or otherwise. The drug hasn't been hugely effective in this group, but hospitals have begun giving it to not as sick admitted patients this week. If you think you have it, call your physician and suggest the plaquenil/z-pak and they will prescribe it.
HCQ is a zinc ionophore. It helps zinc enter the cells and disrupt viral replication. Many people are deficient in minerals and zinc is one many need more of. If HCQ isn't paired with zinc, it's not as effective as it could be. If the patient already has bacterial pneumonia and isn't also given a z-pak, it will not be as effective as it could be.
There wasn't supposed to be a cure. There are many who want this to go on as long as possible. The FDA wanted at least a year to approve HCQ to treat Wuhan Flu.
It would be nice to live one's life without having to confront Evil, but here it is. Worse than ever and armed with technology.
Governors actually attempting to ban HCQ for COVID-19!
Media presstitutes are discouraging HCQ use with scare tactics and attempting to discredit sources.
These death cultists wanted the deepest impact possible on Western civilization and are outraged that lowly quinine, zinc, and a Z-pak will foil their plans.
We must keep the vote honest in November!
That’s OK (it’s not). They are still dragging their feet on a vaccine .. determined to take the long route to its development.
But with Gates wanting tagging included with the vaccine, I'm not sure...
So not a panacea but is helpful in aiding the vast majority. Though due to the coronavirus abilty to so quickly move through a society their will still be a high death count of those in the highest risk. So do we sacrifice the those at the highest risk or the bull economy? The humanitarian say that money is not worth lives but the economist may say there are lives lost in a recession as well. Quite the dilemma.
I say we give H to the old and immunodeficient as a preventative. Same dosage as used for Lupus. Then, we can go back to work.
Yeah, it's not some miracle cure for someone who has already been intubated, nothing really is. But it does seem promising for people who haven't reached that point yet. Getting positive covids on it early may be huge (the instant test should help with this as well), we'll have better numbers on its effectiveness next week.
The media assholes will come out and say “see?! It was used on these already terminally ill folks and didn’t save them! Trump is an IDIOT! false hope!! Don’t use these meds!”
My theory is the governors know the success but holding back results to continue the massive flow of supplies. To me, they are holding our economy hostage.
I have no idea - watch Laura. They should give it to anyone with a positive test wth Z-pak and Zinc
Why do you think we are suddenly having the war on drug cartels in the only damn place in the World where raw materials to make hydrochloroquine literally grow on trees?
I don't know why. There are supposedly millions of pills and more on the way, and that should be enough to treat existing patients who are confirmed to have the virus. Perhaps the issue is that future patients will also need these pills or that the pills need to go with something else (e.g., zinc, az) that is in short supply.
At least many of those who are hospitalized can?/will? receive it.
For this to be used as a prophylactic, I suspect production would have to scale to 100 million - 1 billion pill/day mark. Unfortunately, I think we are very far from that, but I also haven't heard any specific discussion over how much we have and can produce.
Since all Cents from about the middle of 1982 have been Zinc coated with copper, I can guarantee you that there is no shortage of Zinc.
The TDS infected are working hard to deprive those in need of Trump Pills
That one older medical lady talking at the podium at the presser today said that there was no vaccine and no treatment. Huh? She didn't even acknowledge it as a treatment. I know she used a different word than treatment, but I can't remember what it was. Alleviation, maybe? What ever word it was, I was like, what??
SPEZ: Found it, she said "I know we don't have a vaccine. And I know we don't have a therapeutic."
Can anyone explain this?
A vaccine is placing antibodies in place and is a preventive measure.
A therapeutic is a treatment option that has shown to resolve the malady.
I haven’t caught today’s conference, some of these scientists might be being very technical and precise, even to a fault. Acknowledging the effectiveness of HQZ + zPaxk + Zinc is not meeting a technical threshold and framework of how these scientists want to answer the question.
If you ask someone that has a lifetime of experience in a given field, a general question should be seen as such and answered accordingly. But, the stakes are pretty high and they don’t have enough data (or balls?) to make a general statement.
And as soon as they even hint at supporting what the President said, the anti American press chimes in with “well, that’s not true!!! We don’t have the 12 year study completed to prove such a thing! Once again, more lies! REE!”
3M is the distributor?
My answer: because Big Pharma needs time to figure out how to make it cost 100x more than its current cost of $20 per treatment.
They could simply find all currently prescribed patients that take the cocktail of drugs to see if any of them contracted the corona virus.
Because it cures alot of other serious diseases and they have been hiding it for decades. And its about to spill. Its a parasite killer. Blood suckers dont want it in the human blood supply. Gonna be millions of very pissed off people all over the world I expect when the truth breaks
Because it takes a while for all of the aquariums around the country to get their cleaning supplies to the hospitals.