Exactly, he keeps saying this every day. If they get totally wonky he says he will intervene.
I will say, he did kinda shrug his shoulders when asked about Cuomo bitching about not having enough supplies. The states should have their own plans in place before an emergency hits, but they didn’t. He can’t save everyone when supplies are so limited through the Federal government.
We may very well see some new guidelines with respect to businesses and how they operate with respect to numbers of customers and the like. I still don’t se that happening until at least June 1st.
They are definitely authoritarians. The state and local government where I live have gone far beyond reasonable measures with this thing. It shouldn't be surprising that authoritarians would use this as an opportunity to flex their power, the only question is how far they are going to push it and how long people are going to just roll over and take it.
Are there limits? Governor Party Tits came out and said he was going to confiscate property from private companies and that they could sue him later. Democrats no longer seem to concern themselves with laws and that pesky Constitution.
The president has his bully pulpit. Encouragement, not orders or coercion.
After all, there is a time limit on how long people will stay cooped up at the orders of the government, whether PDJT tells them to go back to work or not.
Exactly. Even if we do quarantine for god knows how long, the virus will not completely go away, and it only takes a few people to start spreading it around again.
The original intent of all of this was to flatten the curve, to prevent our hospitals from being overrun and make sure that we have the resources available to treat everyone. We’ve done that. Not a single hospital is overwhelmed. Many of them are empty, in fact, some are even laying off staff. Hell the hospital ship in New York has, what, 10 patients since it docked?
Conspiracy ahead, what if this is the plan. This will ensure we drag it out until November. We shut down for 2-3 months now. Go back out, and this starts over. The push will be 2-3 months isn't enough, needs to be 5-6 months.
At Lowe's Home Improvement it's business as usual... All the shutdowns don't include Lowe's & Home Depot. They say the home improvement stores are open for essentials however I did not know that mulch & shrubs was essentials or that building a deck was essential in light of the pandemic that we face here in America. You would think that a stay-at-home would mean stay your @ss at home but that's not so. The employees at Lowe's were given a one time $300 bonus and $2 more per hour for the month of April for having to work during this pandemic. So all those people including school kids, the elderly who were told to stay home and not report to school and some businesses are all flocking into Lowe's and I'm sure Home Depot not so much for essentials but just to shop. So why is it that some places can't open for business for fear of spreading the coronavirus yet Home Improvement giants like Lowe's and Home Depot and even like Walmart are forced to remain open. Are home improvement stores exempt from getting coronavirus? is there some type of magic force field when you come into a Lowe's store or Home Depot or Walmart that prevents you from getting coronavirus? The president of Lowe's talks about how he appreciates his employees and he's concerned for his employees yet their lives are on the front lines potentially risking their lives but IN Lowe's mind at least, a $300 one time bonus and a $2 an hour raise for April makes it all worthwhile. The governor of this state refuses to issue a stay-at-home order but has said no gathering of over three people and has even approved law enforcement to disband any groups of larger than 3 people. Yet if you walk into a Lowe's store there are several hundred people at any one time and they are not social distancing at the recommended 6 feet apart.
I think it's essential. If something goes wrong with your plumbing and you're not able to use water that could be a problem, especially if it happens to an apartment complex. Same with a home's electrical system going out and needing a new part. If your heater stops working. If your water heater stops working. If a window in your home gets broken. Maybe your toilet breaks because you live in California and everyone here thinks it's a good idea to cut up a t-shirt and use it to wipe their ass.
Actually home depot is only allowing so many people in the store at a time and out side the line has 6 ft demarcations. The fact is people need to be able to fix what's broken in their homes and quite honestly if this means everybody is just finally doing the honey-do list then so what. Anyone who doesn't know how to keep clean and keep their distance - those folks can stay home.
I think Trump is going to recommend easing restrictions on everyone (not just under 55) in the flatline states and areas soon. But the death numbers will have to stabilize first. We hit another high yesterday (1300).
55+ just have to wait a few more weeks until the numbers don't skyrocket and them up it to 60. Then to 65. Etc. Graduate it instead of 30% unemployment and depression.
It's just a recommendation to pave the way. The problem is that people are listening to the "experts" and the experts always talk about the death ratio. Well the numbers are way different by age (look at italy) so its a convincing argument to the sheeple that we will make some distinction by age and get as many people back to work asap. You are right its arbitrary and in the end people should be free to evaluate their own risks. Talking here about Trump making a recommendation that the governors can follow or not. And if they don't and their state economy tanks (looking at NY vs TX for example) then its on them. We gotta start somewhere instead of waiting 6 mos or some such garbage.
No, the rate of serious illness for the previously young and healthy is much higher than influenza. NYC is seeing a 10% hospitalization rate for ages 0-44.
And the mortality rate is much higher than you think. No, not the absolute numbers, as those are relatively low compared to the elderly. But, you can't say that <1% is low, for people under 45.
If you are under 45, the probability of dying of ANY cause (accident, illness, homicide, suicide) is less than about 0.3% in any single year since birth:
Since NYC is seeing a mortality rate of 0.27% among people 18-44, that means that if you catch COVID-19, your chance of dying is about the same as it was for dying of any cause this year. So by catching COVID-19, you just doubled your chance of dying this year.
For younger people (< 22), catching COVID-19 can triple (or more!) your chance of dying this year.
This source has a slightly different breakdown for the US population:
0-14: 18.62%
15-24: 13.12%
25-54: 39.29%
Convert that to the number of people (using 330M as the total population:
0-14: 61.4M
15-24: 43.3M
25-54: 129.7M
For 0-17 in NYC, 0.15% died. Applying that to 61.M, that's 91,400.
Applying 0.3% to 43.3+129.7M, that's another 519,000.
No, not everyone in those age groups will be infected.... at least I hope not. But, it's not unreasonable to project 20% infected (similar to seasonal influenza) in the absence of measures to reduce the spread. But even 1/5th of those numbers above is too much.
The point is the potential magnitude of the number of deaths, even if everyone over 55 could effectively isolated (which in itself is not reasonable).
This is what Trump was facing. That's why he acted quickly and decisively, despite the left and the Misleadia (yes, I repeated myself) criticizing him. Now that the scope of the problem is becoming clear, they are criticizing him for not acting fast enough.
Trump is not a dictator. It is not the President's job to tell people to work or not.
Local governments are making that call.
Exactly, he keeps saying this every day. If they get totally wonky he says he will intervene.
I will say, he did kinda shrug his shoulders when asked about Cuomo bitching about not having enough supplies. The states should have their own plans in place before an emergency hits, but they didn’t. He can’t save everyone when supplies are so limited through the Federal government.
We may very well see some new guidelines with respect to businesses and how they operate with respect to numbers of customers and the like. I still don’t se that happening until at least June 1st.
Cuomo is a particularly egregious case of hypocrisy
https://www.creators.com/read/betsy-mccaughey/03/20/new-yorks-ventilator-rationing-plan
Yes.
They are definitely authoritarians. The state and local government where I live have gone far beyond reasonable measures with this thing. It shouldn't be surprising that authoritarians would use this as an opportunity to flex their power, the only question is how far they are going to push it and how long people are going to just roll over and take it.
There are no easy answers here. It is an emergency, but there are still limits to what local government can do.
Why do people keep saying it's not easy? The answer can NEVER be unconstitutional, it's literally that simple.
A governor can recommend that people stay home, don't work. But you can't lock people up and shut down their business.
Yes, we all know that the governor doesn't have the power to force people not to go to work. Unless they work for the state.
Are there limits? Governor Party Tits came out and said he was going to confiscate property from private companies and that they could sue him later. Democrats no longer seem to concern themselves with laws and that pesky Constitution.
If I was drinking milk when I read "Governor Party Tits" there would have been quite a mess...
The president has his bully pulpit. Encouragement, not orders or coercion.
After all, there is a time limit on how long people will stay cooped up at the orders of the government, whether PDJT tells them to go back to work or not.
Exactly. Even if we do quarantine for god knows how long, the virus will not completely go away, and it only takes a few people to start spreading it around again.
The original intent of all of this was to flatten the curve, to prevent our hospitals from being overrun and make sure that we have the resources available to treat everyone. We’ve done that. Not a single hospital is overwhelmed. Many of them are empty, in fact, some are even laying off staff. Hell the hospital ship in New York has, what, 10 patients since it docked?
Conspiracy ahead, what if this is the plan. This will ensure we drag it out until November. We shut down for 2-3 months now. Go back out, and this starts over. The push will be 2-3 months isn't enough, needs to be 5-6 months.
At Lowe's Home Improvement it's business as usual... All the shutdowns don't include Lowe's & Home Depot. They say the home improvement stores are open for essentials however I did not know that mulch & shrubs was essentials or that building a deck was essential in light of the pandemic that we face here in America. You would think that a stay-at-home would mean stay your @ss at home but that's not so. The employees at Lowe's were given a one time $300 bonus and $2 more per hour for the month of April for having to work during this pandemic. So all those people including school kids, the elderly who were told to stay home and not report to school and some businesses are all flocking into Lowe's and I'm sure Home Depot not so much for essentials but just to shop. So why is it that some places can't open for business for fear of spreading the coronavirus yet Home Improvement giants like Lowe's and Home Depot and even like Walmart are forced to remain open. Are home improvement stores exempt from getting coronavirus? is there some type of magic force field when you come into a Lowe's store or Home Depot or Walmart that prevents you from getting coronavirus? The president of Lowe's talks about how he appreciates his employees and he's concerned for his employees yet their lives are on the front lines potentially risking their lives but IN Lowe's mind at least, a $300 one time bonus and a $2 an hour raise for April makes it all worthwhile. The governor of this state refuses to issue a stay-at-home order but has said no gathering of over three people and has even approved law enforcement to disband any groups of larger than 3 people. Yet if you walk into a Lowe's store there are several hundred people at any one time and they are not social distancing at the recommended 6 feet apart.
I think it's essential. If something goes wrong with your plumbing and you're not able to use water that could be a problem, especially if it happens to an apartment complex. Same with a home's electrical system going out and needing a new part. If your heater stops working. If your water heater stops working. If a window in your home gets broken. Maybe your toilet breaks because you live in California and everyone here thinks it's a good idea to cut up a t-shirt and use it to wipe their ass.
Actually home depot is only allowing so many people in the store at a time and out side the line has 6 ft demarcations. The fact is people need to be able to fix what's broken in their homes and quite honestly if this means everybody is just finally doing the honey-do list then so what. Anyone who doesn't know how to keep clean and keep their distance - those folks can stay home.
I think Trump is going to recommend easing restrictions on everyone (not just under 55) in the flatline states and areas soon. But the death numbers will have to stabilize first. We hit another high yesterday (1300).
How do I prove a negative?
A believable motive would be a nice start. Does China have a believable motive for faking their numbers? Yes. Does the US?
Yes, especially in blue areas.
I'm over 55 and I'm still working.
Yep, I know quite a few who are still working.
55 and over shit out of luck? Their careers ended and jobs given to under 55?
55+ just have to wait a few more weeks until the numbers don't skyrocket and them up it to 60. Then to 65. Etc. Graduate it instead of 30% unemployment and depression.
I'm 61 and very healthy so screw you and your arbitrary age limit. this used to be a free country.
It's just a recommendation to pave the way. The problem is that people are listening to the "experts" and the experts always talk about the death ratio. Well the numbers are way different by age (look at italy) so its a convincing argument to the sheeple that we will make some distinction by age and get as many people back to work asap. You are right its arbitrary and in the end people should be free to evaluate their own risks. Talking here about Trump making a recommendation that the governors can follow or not. And if they don't and their state economy tanks (looking at NY vs TX for example) then its on them. We gotta start somewhere instead of waiting 6 mos or some such garbage.
No, the rate of serious illness for the previously young and healthy is much higher than influenza. NYC is seeing a 10% hospitalization rate for ages 0-44.
And the mortality rate is much higher than you think. No, not the absolute numbers, as those are relatively low compared to the elderly. But, you can't say that <1% is low, for people under 45.
If you are under 45, the probability of dying of ANY cause (accident, illness, homicide, suicide) is less than about 0.3% in any single year since birth:
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
Since NYC is seeing a mortality rate of 0.27% among people 18-44, that means that if you catch COVID-19, your chance of dying is about the same as it was for dying of any cause this year. So by catching COVID-19, you just doubled your chance of dying this year.
For younger people (< 22), catching COVID-19 can triple (or more!) your chance of dying this year.
Doubling an incredibly small number still results in an incredibly small number. Fuck off, you authoritarian shithead
When these percentages are applied to the US population, it's not an "incredibly small number":
https://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/age_structure.html
This source has a slightly different breakdown for the US population:
Convert that to the number of people (using 330M as the total population:
For 0-17 in NYC, 0.15% died. Applying that to 61.M, that's 91,400.
Applying 0.3% to 43.3+129.7M, that's another 519,000.
No, not everyone in those age groups will be infected.... at least I hope not. But, it's not unreasonable to project 20% infected (similar to seasonal influenza) in the absence of measures to reduce the spread. But even 1/5th of those numbers above is too much.
The point is the potential magnitude of the number of deaths, even if everyone over 55 could effectively isolated (which in itself is not reasonable).
This is what Trump was facing. That's why he acted quickly and decisively, despite the left and the Misleadia (yes, I repeated myself) criticizing him. Now that the scope of the problem is becoming clear, they are criticizing him for not acting fast enough.
Which are you? Too fast, or too late?