Worked in high end hospitality - on track for CLEARING 70k this year after taxes. Means to an end before I started my own side hustle full-time.
Jobs are gone, friends at the VP level of solid ass non-cucked tech firms (1 billion plus annual revenue) have hiring freezes till JUNE 1ST - I'd be able to hop on a sales gig with growth without a hickup using any "rescue package".
People don't get it. Am tired of hearing people on this dom shit on about 80% of us since we literally dont have 6 plus months of savings.
Poured all my extra capital into my startup and personal debts - so for the uppity folksand pedes I've been seeing, empathy is a good traitto put into perspective.
Trump knows this, hence the aggressive nature of these bills.
In the midwest, it was all a downward spiral after the schools closed. They were the first to make a move and they did it at the flip of a switch, no warning.
And honestly? If you see one of your customers coughing on merchandise, you are empowered by your rights to say "Hey, asshole, go home until you're not sick. You're an idiot for putting us all at risk."
And they should only catch the people not caught by family nets, friends nets, church nets and private charity nets.
I don't give 10% of my income to charity because muh feels; I do it because it's an investment. I expect a return on that investment in the form of people not starving and not having to spend their nights in their cars in the ghetto on a cold rainy night. I also do it because it's my obligation as a Christian to do so; and I'm glad to do it.
Don't even necessarily have to surrender to nature. In my state, the cases and deaths are heavily distributed in high population density areas or lower population density areas where people frequently commute to those higher density areas for work. Everywhere else cases and deaths are almost non-existent. Yet we have this one-size-fits all dictate from the governor that everything everywhere gets shut down. Why do you need to "flatten the curve" when your curve is already pretty flat just by virtue of where you live and how many people live around you?
It's why people in rural areas hate urban politicians: because urban politics always get foisted upon them, even when they aren't necessary or are counterproductive.
My town is shut down by order of the mayor and governor, a town with a daytime population of about 250,000 people. It's a retail mecca for many miles around. We have ONE CASE that's been confirmed in the last three weeks. That's it. And a handful of unconfirmed cases that had symptoms but were sent home to self-quarantine. And we are shut down starting Monday. The stores today were insane. Instead of normal traffic like it was with just regular "social distancing" now you have whoever may possibly be infected panicking that they have to go out and shop because they are scared shitless.
Three more weeks of this may possibly be tolerable. Beyond that, no. And there's zero reason to devastate our food service industry like they are doing. Many if not most will not recover. Sure, new ones will come in their place eventually. Years from now.
The largest town in my county is less than 1/5 the size of yours. In the entire county cases peaked at less than 10/day and did so a week before everything got shut down. We haven't had any confirmed cases for a few days. No deaths. If you look at the curve it's pretty symmetrical, which suggests the shutdown had no effect on how things played out.
I know the politicians just think we're a bunch of ignorant Trump voters over here, but I think our county's hospital infrastructure would have been able to keep things under control.
THIS!!!! If you live in a big city, pandemics are just part of your civilization bonus. Here in rural america we have 40% reduced pandemics but 200% increased commute to nearest Trader Joe. We dont need the same response that a dog-piled cesspool like New York City needs.
I live in CT. I did the math a day ago and about 60% of all cases and deaths are in Fairfield county, which borders NYC and is largely a bedroom community for people who work in NYC. The next nighest is New Haven county. Both are along the NEC corridor and see lots of train travel to and from NY.
I live in CT. I did the math a day ago and about 60% of all cases and deaths are in Fairfield county, which borders NYC and is largely a bedroom community for people who work in NYC. The next nighest is New Haven county. Both are along the NEC and see lots of train travel to and from NY.
There are times to tell moochers to go fuck themselves. Seeing the same pan handlers asking for cash when you literally pass six places on the way to go lift at the gym with "help wanted" signs can again fuck off.
My father on the other hand at times would see an old woman with a walker struggling to carry her groceries home with a dozen blocks left to go. He'd be on the way somewhere we needed to go and would pull over, go out of his way to make sure she got home okay.
The callousness with some people is astonishing - GEOTUS has more than a generous nature (read up on this).
At the same time he'd be more than happy to kick the lowlifes, grifters and loosers to the curb.
Once the American people have had enough, and start flouting these rules, that is when Democrat governors will declare martial law. I just had that thought today.
When it's all said and done we will find out that 250 million people got it throughout the world and only 500,000 died (basically equivalent of a bad flu). Mark my words.
"Italy: the real number of COVID-19 cases in the country could be 5,000,0000 (compared to the 119,827 confirmed ones) according to a study which polled people with symptoms who have not been tested, and up to 10,000,000 or even 20,0000,000 after taking into account asymptomatic cases, according to Carlo La Vecchia, a Professor of Medical Statistics and Epidemiology at the Statale di Milano University."
Lookup cononavirus on websites that haven’t been updated at least a year. They have been around forever and cause 20% of common flu every year. These pages are being taken down fast....
Not saying it’s a conspiracy... that’s how panics work.
No. We just passed 1mil worldwide positive cases a day ago.
You can check this site from John Hopkins University for up-to-date stats... shows that the fear mongering from press (and the doctors’ models) are way, way off from reality
I've been lied to about everything. I thought we lived in a free country.
There's no such thing. We live at the mercy of the state, just like everybody else in the world. Just like the people of China. We've merely had the luxury of living under a state that has permitted us to live as if we were free, but that came to an end a few weeks ago, and whether this all ends 18 months from now, or tomorrow, I am permanently disillusioned.
I don't know if I can ever celebrate Independence Day, or Memorial Day, or Veterans Day ever again. We're not free, or independent, and our veterans died for nothing.
We live at the mercy of the state, just like everybody else in the world.
You're absolutely right. I often say that you're as free as the guy with the biggest gun in the room allows you to be. That's the way it's always been, and always will be, for every group of people on the earth. Might doesn't make right, but might certainly runs the show.
I am SO. SICK. of seeing iTaLy touted all over the God damned place as some sort of trump card anytime a discussion about numbers/the severity of the situation is factually given without fear-mongering.
I'm not saying that's what you're doing at all, it just reminded me of how this keeps happening. Especially on Facebook.
This website is really cool I found yesterday yesterday. It has lots of cool stats and charts to waste your time on. And since all of us only have time to waste right now, might as well take a look at it.
I watch all the press briefings and according to what I hear I have done everything in order to get my check the quickest. So I expect to be one of the first on April 14 or 15 to get it.
Because Trump is logical, rational and evidence based. And he needs allies that aren't chasing the rabbit down the "numbers are a hoax" rabbit hole who will back up his recommendations to reopen in the flatline states. Normal voters have a visceral disgust to the "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" crowd.
Hey, if you want to bow down to the Left out of fear of being called names like "conspiracy theorists", and then accuse people who call you out on it of being "uneducated right wingers", (which is another bullshit trope from the Left), that's your choice, (just know that you are a huge gaping-anus faggot for it).
Seriously, it's a good thing that actual men who aren't afraid of being called names like Donald Trump exists, because guys like you, (and Mittens, and Jeb), would never be able to get the things that Donald Trump has accomplished done if a simple name-calling can cause them to freeze up (like a huge faggot).
Trump just retweeted a suggestion to do exactly that. He's a businessman. He knows the things you call "bullshit" are necessary.
He can't force the states to roll back their measures, for the same reason he couldn't order them to impose them in the first place: the federal government can only do so across state and national boundaries.
The states have implemented public health orders under their own laws. Trump can't order them rescinded. Trump has to CONVINCE the states to rescind them.
The numbers aren't a hoax. The numbers are a joke though. There are 69 hospitalizations as of yesterday in all of Palm Beach County a county with over 1.4million people. 69 hospitalizations!??! Thats not a high number, there are dozens of hospital and clinics in that county.
Over 100 people die a year from honey bee stings. But in my state of 2 people die from Coronavirus its on the news all day. The hospitals are not overrun anywhere except NYC and Seattle.
This is quite true and it's the same for a lot of the people here as well. Some people are fine with taking a leap of faith, but there's a very thin line between that and being reckless.
People have been very busy and worried. A lot of people have been out of touch for a very long time. Work, life and other distractions have people focused on what is in front of them instead of what's behind them. It's a really wonderful little magic trick. Look here, not there!
Trump has to go with the lowest common denominator to get everyone on board.
There doesn't need to be one. But there is one advantage that can't be dismissed-- if Trump single handedly pushes for the economy to open he's going to be excoriated by the msn so much so that it stands to hurt him with centrists. If instead you make the face of this movement a professional task force with economic experts that Trump can defer to it will greatly soften the inevitable propaganda blow that will claim Trump cares more about money than people.
Deferring to experts to avoid inevitable political backlash is not walking on egg shells, it's politically prudent. It's very easy to do as well, Trump would be committing an unforced error by not deferring on paper.
Maybe I'm not clear, I'm not suggest that Trump actually defer, I'm suggesting to use a task force as the face of the movement so that he can't be smeared.
He will defer on paper, but will encourage them to be sane.
This is also Trump's m.o., why do you think he hasn't pardoned anyone despite clearly wanting to? He has to play the game because of the power of negative press that managed to convince millions of people he's a Russian agent. It's my opinion that a "task force" can only help.
The Trump administration deeply cares about public perception, just because they will receive criticism no matter the course of action they take doesn't mean they disregard optics completely, it's not how they operate.
I think there’s a clear and distinct difference between kowtowing to liberal cucks and maneuvering strategically through a minefield the likes which a president has never traversed.
Thing is, if the economy simply starts recovering, people will notice regardless of what the MSM says. The only real obstacle to that is Dem governors actively working against that sort of recovery. Which they will.
Yes and no, people will definitely notice, but you can't discount the entire media singing in harmony against Trump.
If we agree that the best course of action is to end the shutdown soon, to get businesses running again while still adhering to basic social distancing protocols, what is the resistance to having some professionals help spread the message?
People are scared far more than they ought to in many instances specifically because of the media. It's not as simple as saying back to work, there needs to be a concerted effort. Then dem governors can voice their objections to other professionals and not just Trump.
The media have been salivating for the moment when Trump starts to fire off orders without "the approval" of Dr. Fauci and the other doctors on his team. That's why they always ask "where's Dr. Fauci?" They would love for Trump to order the country open for business all on his own so they can blame every covid death on him from that point on. So he needs a multi-discipline team to back him up and remove the decision making away from his current team of doctors.
We get it here, but when I go on Nextdoor to see how the locals around here are talking, it's shocking to see how they think. Many will gladly forego all of their rights for a little safety and have others locked away just for taking a walk. And this is in Texas! If Trump is going to get us through this and win, he needs to convince all of these sheep that it's OK to move forward and face down the risks. Failing to do that will lead to the permanent destruction of the country.
Your forgetting about the fucking flood of illegals voting, and what will happen if they manage to turn 2020 into a mail-in election, aka the most banana republic shit ever that will fuck this country up far harder than even a depression will. Everything is at stake here. Everything.
Here's the priority list: Winning 2020 > Fixing the economy > Wuflu "Crisis" (which is nearly over, hence why we're moving on).
Trump can't fix this mess if he's not there to fix it come November. We know from 2016 we need a YUGE margin to get over the commie fraud that still managed to steal entire states.
Right now is a play smart phase. We'll get to the playing hard part very soon. Welcome to 5-dimensional warfare, it's going to be a wild ride.
Trump is fighting with a scorched earth policy. They never expected him to call their bluff and tank the economy. They figured they could just turn this into his Katrina with endless anecdotal stories of people, "TRUMP KILLED MY MAMA".
Now that he is playing along with their doom-mongering their portfolios are bleeding and they have no idea how to climb back down.
That's why I said this is a war. Its a scorched earth battle, but never forget that they fired the first shot.
Because a panel of judges in the 9th District will rule his EO unconstitutional. Remember, only Donald Trump is not allowed to implement and use the power of the Oval Office.
As someone whose works requires them to be on-site, the sentiment among us is trending more negative towards those "working" from home by the day. Why are we closed for a flu? Will this be a yearly occurrence? I guarantee with the election in November (start of flu season) the "second wave" will dominate the media.
We've all been saying that since the whole social distance BS started. September is going to roll around and people start getting the sniffles and the dems will be clamoring for everyone to stop going to work and have a 4000 page stimulus bill full of green new deal bullshit ready to vote for.
If government doesn't make you stay home, there is a tiny chance you will get the CHINA-19 flu bad enough that you have to stay home sick for a week or two. So government is protecting you from freedom.
The other day when they asked him "when can we return to normal" and he said when the curve goes flat or 0 cases, was the moment he lost the game. The country will never get to that point and there will always be cases popping up here and there. He should have said some like what Perino is suggesting. Convening a team of experts in all disciplines to devise an exit strategy that works for the entire nation that's not based on what's going on in NYC.
We won't get to zero cases, but the curve will go flat soon -- sooner in some places than others, of course. I'm in a county that still has zero cases, so we don't even have a curve :)
Im in Knox county, tn...I’m pretty sure we have a metro of 1,000,000+, there has been 90 total here with 45 recovered...that’s about as flat as it gets
Ahh yes, more "experts", complete with their "expertly" worded "expert" opinions and biases. In the hot seat and under the hot lights for the MSM to grill and question (ie to craft a narrative).
This is EXACTLY what we need!
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How about this?
We let Trump do what he does best. Talk to people "behind the scenes" then make a decision.
Quit wasting our time and theirs with daily 60-120 minute "briefings", replace it with short and to the point updates as needed to reflect new information, with one 60 minute Q&A session per week.
We quickly move to end the forced shutdown of American enterprise and let people make their own health and safety decisions and we green-light the cocktail drug for immediate dispersal throughout the country (the equiv of getting a flu shot)
And all the PC-libtards who clutch tightly to their binders of legal "gotchya!" shams, wordgames, and peach mints can just suck it.
Because like they said, elections have consequences, right?
The experts have conferred and after a thorough review of the issue, they have determined that making it illegal for businesses to open is, in fact, bad for the economy. Furthermore, they more or less agree that not making it illegal for businesses to open would be good for the economy.
Surprisingly people in Chicago haven't since Gov. Trust Fund Fat Ass issued his unconstitutional stay at home order nor when Mayor Bug Eyes closed the lakefront and surrounding parks. People are out and next week's warmer weather will be even more so.
I run a tiny business. It has allowed me to live without being a burden on anyone. It is seasonal and if this shut down doesn’t end I will loose an entire years income. I would need a loan to pay my bills until I can get on my feet again. That loan could take me years to repay.
I hope Trump grabs the big banks by the ankles and shakes them over a window. The banks are f'ing up the SBA loans, and business owners are freaking out. The worse the economy gets, the more people will want complete socialism. Banks need to step up or they will be screwed too.
All these liberal assholes want is for us to totally depend on the government. Need to get country back to work and open for business...life is about trade offs. Ppl are going to get sick but that is the trade off for ppl getting back to work and feeding their families and not letting this get so bad where the economy never comes back.
I assure you, he's already way ahead of them on this. They're cooking up another peach mint meanwhile he's planning on how to rocket us back to the top.
Excellent. From other sites that is what the majority of citizens want to do. Yeah, the Left would ramp up the facts and figures and pressure, & blame every death in the country on coronavirus (as I hear they were possibly told to do in some places regardless, IDK) but I doubt we would see millions die, or people die at a much higher rate than projected before this even began, i.e., that would have regardless. 100,000 die in this country, YEARLY, from flu and pneumonia every year regardless. 36 -50 million catch the flu yearly (not even counting pneumonia!!) and most do not end up in the hospital, obviously. Do some research.
America needed to isolate itself from other nations,specifically the leeches, but couldn't due to the reeeeeeeeeeeeeetards and media. Wuhan flu gave a perfect cover.(Fuck the media)
Geotus is a known germophobe, of course he is taking this virus and his advising professionals(doctors) advice seriously. Now most Americans are and will be germ aware in the future (less sickness spread = healthier workforce = more production and a stronger American workforce/population).
We needed to bring manufacturing back to our shores, China being a pain in the ass with life saving P.P.Es and medicines is the best example to get the public on board to bring jobs here(national security).
The economy may be down but it is not out. America will survive this and we will adapt and overcome.
We will come out of this stronger and far more aware of our nations weak spots and we will reinforce those kinks in our countries armor. America is and always was a fighter, we personify that now more then ever with our fighter in chief at the helm.
As for the tweet, yes this 2nd task force is a necessity, President Trump needs as much top experts advice so that he can make educated decisions. He is the only person in our government that I trust.
I think after Fauci said we get back to normal when there's 0 cases was when Trump was done with him. He hasn't been at the briefings for a few days now. The media keeps asking about him. Trump knows we have to change direction quickly. Plus seeing what's going on in CA where there's only been 200+ deaths out of 40 million people is making everyone take another look at this.
The problem is that by "flattening the curve," we are -- ironically -- making the recovery even longer. It's unavoidable that everyone will get the virus eventually (barring a vaccine). If we flatten the curve, it just takes a longer time to happen.
I don't think we'll be open by June of next year, at the rate things are going. The medical experts who have been given the authoritative voice are saying shut it all down, and keep it shut down until it magically goes away. Unless something changes, or there's a new development, we're in this for the long haul.
You gotta keep in mind that medical experts are paid to be medical experts. Their main priority is to be cautious and save lives. You have to take their input and form a broader decision (based on their data) with regards to the economy and people as a whole. That being said, I'm not sure when it will be over either but I don't exactly trust the projections...
Actually, a task force would provide CYA cover for President Trump because NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS OR DOES, the Deep State/Democrats/CNNBC shall be howling PEACH MINTS! PEACH MINTS!
Proving what a class act he is. Dana went berserk when he first announced, flipping out on Eric Bolling on The Five even though she had previously liked him, had asked for an endorsement of her book, and had actually had lunch with him.
Her loyalty to the Bushes infected her with level 1 TDS. PDJT actually called her out at a fundraiser during the campaign. After his election, she has been returning to normal and is now free of the TDS pathogen.
I am lucky enough to still be working and overtime like always but this has me scared as shit. Oil and gas business going to the birds and if things dont change soon we will all be in trouble with bankruptcy and everything that goes with it.
My concern is that there are a lot of people that may be on a bipartisan task force that would want to reopen the economy by implementing a way to track everyone with everywhere they go and all kinds of other authoritarian crap. That is the wrong way to go about it and a lot of people would not go along with that.
I think the best thing to do is just reopen the economy and let people go about their daily lives, but make sure the medications for treating the virus are where they need to be and in plentiful supply and to actually prescribe it to people that are not hospitalized or just make it as easy to buy as Tylenol for people to take if they start getting symptoms.
Maybe give some advice about good nutrition, washing hands, starting home when sick etc. But just get the government out of people's way in general. Also get the FDA out of the way.
I like this idea. I hope they can put out enough economic doom models to cancel out Fauci's overcaution. Life is not free, priceless, or guaranteed. It would be nice, but its just not. I know a politician cant dare say 1 - 80% completed life = x jobs. But right now we are at a 1 : 1000 ratio. Im not running for office ever, so Im going to say thats too high.
My only concern is that the states will ignore Trump and his taskforce and keep everything locked down until the virus is 100% gone which isn't possible for at least another 1.5 years
We need to open back up. Allow healthy people to return, with masks for a couple of weeks if needed, and make elderly unhealthy people stay home. It's not that hard.
Government safety nets have their place. Fuck you libs for abusing them.
Yup.
Worked in high end hospitality - on track for CLEARING 70k this year after taxes. Means to an end before I started my own side hustle full-time.
Jobs are gone, friends at the VP level of solid ass non-cucked tech firms (1 billion plus annual revenue) have hiring freezes till JUNE 1ST - I'd be able to hop on a sales gig with growth without a hickup using any "rescue package".
People don't get it. Am tired of hearing people on this dom shit on about 80% of us since we literally dont have 6 plus months of savings.
Poured all my extra capital into my startup and personal debts - so for the uppity folksand pedes I've been seeing, empathy is a good traitto put into perspective.
Trump knows this, hence the aggressive nature of these bills.
The shutdown came so fast that people had essentially no time to prepare.
In the midwest, it was all a downward spiral after the schools closed. They were the first to make a move and they did it at the flip of a switch, no warning.
Are you concerned at all about a potentially negative impact on your business if they reopen and customers start contracting the virus?
Let me put this bluntly. I'd rather have 10% of my customers die from c19 than have no customers.
And honestly? If you see one of your customers coughing on merchandise, you are empowered by your rights to say "Hey, asshole, go home until you're not sick. You're an idiot for putting us all at risk."
And to hell with the paid/corrupted politicians and enforcement that enabled it.
Exactly. I really starting to think this crap has been around since November. The Bureaucrats and China refused to report this.
All kinds of people in my area are convinced they had it in Nov/Dec. pretty sure wife picked it up from her school(teacher)
And they should only catch the people not caught by family nets, friends nets, church nets and private charity nets.
I don't give 10% of my income to charity because muh feels; I do it because it's an investment. I expect a return on that investment in the form of people not starving and not having to spend their nights in their cars in the ghetto on a cold rainy night. I also do it because it's my obligation as a Christian to do so; and I'm glad to do it.
Don't even necessarily have to surrender to nature. In my state, the cases and deaths are heavily distributed in high population density areas or lower population density areas where people frequently commute to those higher density areas for work. Everywhere else cases and deaths are almost non-existent. Yet we have this one-size-fits all dictate from the governor that everything everywhere gets shut down. Why do you need to "flatten the curve" when your curve is already pretty flat just by virtue of where you live and how many people live around you?
It's why people in rural areas hate urban politicians: because urban politics always get foisted upon them, even when they aren't necessary or are counterproductive.
My town is shut down by order of the mayor and governor, a town with a daytime population of about 250,000 people. It's a retail mecca for many miles around. We have ONE CASE that's been confirmed in the last three weeks. That's it. And a handful of unconfirmed cases that had symptoms but were sent home to self-quarantine. And we are shut down starting Monday. The stores today were insane. Instead of normal traffic like it was with just regular "social distancing" now you have whoever may possibly be infected panicking that they have to go out and shop because they are scared shitless.
Three more weeks of this may possibly be tolerable. Beyond that, no. And there's zero reason to devastate our food service industry like they are doing. Many if not most will not recover. Sure, new ones will come in their place eventually. Years from now.
The largest town in my county is less than 1/5 the size of yours. In the entire county cases peaked at less than 10/day and did so a week before everything got shut down. We haven't had any confirmed cases for a few days. No deaths. If you look at the curve it's pretty symmetrical, which suggests the shutdown had no effect on how things played out.
I know the politicians just think we're a bunch of ignorant Trump voters over here, but I think our county's hospital infrastructure would have been able to keep things under control.
THIS!!!! If you live in a big city, pandemics are just part of your civilization bonus. Here in rural america we have 40% reduced pandemics but 200% increased commute to nearest Trader Joe. We dont need the same response that a dog-piled cesspool like New York City needs.
I live in CT. I did the math a day ago and about 60% of all cases and deaths are in Fairfield county, which borders NYC and is largely a bedroom community for people who work in NYC. The next nighest is New Haven county. Both are along the NEC corridor and see lots of train travel to and from NY.
I live in CT. I did the math a day ago and about 60% of all cases and deaths are in Fairfield county, which borders NYC and is largely a bedroom community for people who work in NYC. The next nighest is New Haven county. Both are along the NEC and see lots of train travel to and from NY.
They're already going nuts, driving like maniacs and doing donuts in intersections, honking and yelling at each other.
Speeders know cops don't wanna pull them over and touch the same pen to sign off on a ticket, so lots of speeding going on out there.
I give it 2 weeks before Mad Max levels of insanity.
Are you in an urban or rural area? I live on the edge of Austin so I get a little of both; and I'm not seeing anything like this.
Small city of about 40,000 next to another smallish city of 70,000.
A little bit redneck, but seeing demographic changes due to people moving in from the big city 85 miles away.
Regardless, every race of people I'm seeing are not happy campers so I can definitely see it getting worse.
I've got a 13000 pound truck, a welder, and a sick sense of humor...
Man I miss welding. Best and most fun job I ever had.
Any further than April 30th and you are absolutely right
Survial of the fittest huh?
There are times to tell moochers to go fuck themselves. Seeing the same pan handlers asking for cash when you literally pass six places on the way to go lift at the gym with "help wanted" signs can again fuck off.
My father on the other hand at times would see an old woman with a walker struggling to carry her groceries home with a dozen blocks left to go. He'd be on the way somewhere we needed to go and would pull over, go out of his way to make sure she got home okay.
The callousness with some people is astonishing - GEOTUS has more than a generous nature (read up on this).
At the same time he'd be more than happy to kick the lowlifes, grifters and loosers to the curb.
Perspectives pede
Once the American people have had enough, and start flouting these rules, that is when Democrat governors will declare martial law. I just had that thought today.
Yeah whatever happened to good ole natural selection? Why are we ignoring that?
Democraps think they are above god and science.
When it's all said and done we will find out that 250 million people got it throughout the world and only 500,000 died (basically equivalent of a bad flu). Mark my words.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
"Italy: the real number of COVID-19 cases in the country could be 5,000,0000 (compared to the 119,827 confirmed ones) according to a study which polled people with symptoms who have not been tested, and up to 10,000,000 or even 20,0000,000 after taking into account asymptomatic cases, according to Carlo La Vecchia, a Professor of Medical Statistics and Epidemiology at the Statale di Milano University."
But that won't stop the "If we can only save one life, it will have been worth it to ruin the world economy" choir cucks from singing.
Exactly.
Lookup cononavirus on websites that haven’t been updated at least a year. They have been around forever and cause 20% of common flu every year. These pages are being taken down fast....
Not saying it’s a conspiracy... that’s how panics work.
I thought the worldwide death toll had already reached 1 million.
I thought we passed that weeks ago, and there are already a million cases in Italy alone.
No. We just passed 1mil worldwide positive cases a day ago.
You can check this site from John Hopkins University for up-to-date stats... shows that the fear mongering from press (and the doctors’ models) are way, way off from reality
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
You see how you've been lied to.
I've been lied to about everything. I thought we lived in a free country.
There's no such thing. We live at the mercy of the state, just like everybody else in the world. Just like the people of China. We've merely had the luxury of living under a state that has permitted us to live as if we were free, but that came to an end a few weeks ago, and whether this all ends 18 months from now, or tomorrow, I am permanently disillusioned.
I don't know if I can ever celebrate Independence Day, or Memorial Day, or Veterans Day ever again. We're not free, or independent, and our veterans died for nothing.
You're absolutely right. I often say that you're as free as the guy with the biggest gun in the room allows you to be. That's the way it's always been, and always will be, for every group of people on the earth. Might doesn't make right, but might certainly runs the show.
That's only true if we don't take that ground back. It ain't over yet!
I am SO. SICK. of seeing iTaLy touted all over the God damned place as some sort of trump card anytime a discussion about numbers/the severity of the situation is factually given without fear-mongering.
I'm not saying that's what you're doing at all, it just reminded me of how this keeps happening. Especially on Facebook.
I deleted my Facebook, been mulling it but the reaction on there pushed me over the edge. Cesspool
https://www.statista.com/topics/5994/the-coronavirus-disease-covid-19-outbreak/
This website is really cool I found yesterday yesterday. It has lots of cool stats and charts to waste your time on. And since all of us only have time to waste right now, might as well take a look at it.
Don’t worry. When you get back to work you’ll be paying 80% tax rates to pay back all the handouts
Not with Trump in office. There’s no way in hell he’ll make Obama’s dumbass mistake of tax & regs. Trust in Trump.
Anyone gotten their $1200 check yet? Open up the damn economy!
I'm expecting my check in 10 days.
Why? Not being snarky, I’m curious.
I think they're supposed to be direct deposited April 9th into the accounts of those who provided their banking info on their returns.
I'm using mine to finish my Norse/Celtic inspired tattoo because I'm proud as fuck of my (ancient) European heritage.
I watch all the press briefings and according to what I hear I have done everything in order to get my check the quickest. So I expect to be one of the first on April 14 or 15 to get it.
Isn't all you had to do was sign up for direct deposit with IRS when you did taxes?
Yes
Our checks are going straight into the stock market
Because Trump is logical, rational and evidence based. And he needs allies that aren't chasing the rabbit down the "numbers are a hoax" rabbit hole who will back up his recommendations to reopen in the flatline states. Normal voters have a visceral disgust to the "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" crowd.
You may have a point, but could you make it without the faggoty appeals to sophistication, please? Thanks.
It's true. I'm pretty fucked up, talk like a fag and my shits all retarded.
https://youtu.be/EISdUkG8Bbw?t=23
Hey, if you want to bow down to the Left out of fear of being called names like "conspiracy theorists", and then accuse people who call you out on it of being "uneducated right wingers", (which is another bullshit trope from the Left), that's your choice, (just know that you are a huge gaping-anus faggot for it).
Seriously, it's a good thing that actual men who aren't afraid of being called names like Donald Trump exists, because guys like you, (and Mittens, and Jeb), would never be able to get the things that Donald Trump has accomplished done if a simple name-calling can cause them to freeze up (like a huge faggot).
Wow. Are you talking to me? I'm not sure who you've been arguing with but they certainly got under your skin.
Great movie.
It's sad that today's politically correct culture would never have allowed this movie to be made.
How do you get that from "Because Trump is logical, rationale and evidence based"?
Trump just retweeted a suggestion to do exactly that. He's a businessman. He knows the things you call "bullshit" are necessary.
He can't force the states to roll back their measures, for the same reason he couldn't order them to impose them in the first place: the federal government can only do so across state and national boundaries.
The states have implemented public health orders under their own laws. Trump can't order them rescinded. Trump has to CONVINCE the states to rescind them.
The numbers aren't a hoax. The numbers are a joke though. There are 69 hospitalizations as of yesterday in all of Palm Beach County a county with over 1.4million people. 69 hospitalizations!??! Thats not a high number, there are dozens of hospital and clinics in that county.
Over 100 people die a year from honey bee stings. But in my state of 2 people die from Coronavirus its on the news all day. The hospitals are not overrun anywhere except NYC and Seattle.
my job offer in Palm Beach just got revoked two days ago because of this bullshit.
Sorry to hear that pede, this is fucking bullshit
This is quite true and it's the same for a lot of the people here as well. Some people are fine with taking a leap of faith, but there's a very thin line between that and being reckless.
People have been very busy and worried. A lot of people have been out of touch for a very long time. Work, life and other distractions have people focused on what is in front of them instead of what's behind them. It's a really wonderful little magic trick. Look here, not there!
Trump has to go with the lowest common denominator to get everyone on board.
Dude thank you.
There doesn't need to be one. But there is one advantage that can't be dismissed-- if Trump single handedly pushes for the economy to open he's going to be excoriated by the msn so much so that it stands to hurt him with centrists. If instead you make the face of this movement a professional task force with economic experts that Trump can defer to it will greatly soften the inevitable propaganda blow that will claim Trump cares more about money than people.
I support this.
Deferring to experts to avoid inevitable political backlash is not walking on egg shells, it's politically prudent. It's very easy to do as well, Trump would be committing an unforced error by not deferring on paper.
Maybe I'm not clear, I'm not suggest that Trump actually defer, I'm suggesting to use a task force as the face of the movement so that he can't be smeared.
He will defer on paper, but will encourage them to be sane.
This is also Trump's m.o., why do you think he hasn't pardoned anyone despite clearly wanting to? He has to play the game because of the power of negative press that managed to convince millions of people he's a Russian agent. It's my opinion that a "task force" can only help.
The Trump administration deeply cares about public perception, just because they will receive criticism no matter the course of action they take doesn't mean they disregard optics completely, it's not how they operate.
I think there’s a clear and distinct difference between kowtowing to liberal cucks and maneuvering strategically through a minefield the likes which a president has never traversed.
Thing is, if the economy simply starts recovering, people will notice regardless of what the MSM says. The only real obstacle to that is Dem governors actively working against that sort of recovery. Which they will.
Yes and no, people will definitely notice, but you can't discount the entire media singing in harmony against Trump.
If we agree that the best course of action is to end the shutdown soon, to get businesses running again while still adhering to basic social distancing protocols, what is the resistance to having some professionals help spread the message?
People are scared far more than they ought to in many instances specifically because of the media. It's not as simple as saying back to work, there needs to be a concerted effort. Then dem governors can voice their objections to other professionals and not just Trump.
The media have been salivating for the moment when Trump starts to fire off orders without "the approval" of Dr. Fauci and the other doctors on his team. That's why they always ask "where's Dr. Fauci?" They would love for Trump to order the country open for business all on his own so they can blame every covid death on him from that point on. So he needs a multi-discipline team to back him up and remove the decision making away from his current team of doctors.
We get it here, but when I go on Nextdoor to see how the locals around here are talking, it's shocking to see how they think. Many will gladly forego all of their rights for a little safety and have others locked away just for taking a walk. And this is in Texas! If Trump is going to get us through this and win, he needs to convince all of these sheep that it's OK to move forward and face down the risks. Failing to do that will lead to the permanent destruction of the country.
Your forgetting about the fucking flood of illegals voting, and what will happen if they manage to turn 2020 into a mail-in election, aka the most banana republic shit ever that will fuck this country up far harder than even a depression will. Everything is at stake here. Everything.
Here's the priority list: Winning 2020 > Fixing the economy > Wuflu "Crisis" (which is nearly over, hence why we're moving on).
Trump can't fix this mess if he's not there to fix it come November. We know from 2016 we need a YUGE margin to get over the commie fraud that still managed to steal entire states.
Right now is a play smart phase. We'll get to the playing hard part very soon. Welcome to 5-dimensional warfare, it's going to be a wild ride.
It is what it is. You might not like it but we are in a war.
Trump is fighting with a scorched earth policy. They never expected him to call their bluff and tank the economy. They figured they could just turn this into his Katrina with endless anecdotal stories of people, "TRUMP KILLED MY MAMA".
Now that he is playing along with their doom-mongering their portfolios are bleeding and they have no idea how to climb back down.
That's why I said this is a war. Its a scorched earth battle, but never forget that they fired the first shot.
I don't know about that. Emergency powers are just that.
Because a panel of judges in the 9th District will rule his EO unconstitutional. Remember, only Donald Trump is not allowed to implement and use the power of the Oval Office.
There is no greater advocate for reopening the economy than Trump. He wants to reopen more than anybody.
He brought the economy up once. I have no doubt he's the man who can do it again and as many times as needed.
Economy would BOOM if he eliminated the income tax.
Go back to the government running off of tariffs. Good thing about this is you can probably eliminate 75%+ government jobs! WEEEE!!
These are the kinds of proposals we need for these times.
Oh man, I can only dream of this. This would be yuge.
I bet he already has the "Grand reopening" signs and slogans(best brander) ready to go, hell probably a national holiday to go with it.
As someone whose works requires them to be on-site, the sentiment among us is trending more negative towards those "working" from home by the day. Why are we closed for a flu? Will this be a yearly occurrence? I guarantee with the election in November (start of flu season) the "second wave" will dominate the media.
Screencap this post. 4/4/2020
Just wait till people find out viruses constantly evolve.
Pelosi will name it the Trump-2020 virus
6ft hug my brother!
I am working from home. Don't hate us. I want the economy to open back up too.
We've all been saying that since the whole social distance BS started. September is going to roll around and people start getting the sniffles and the dems will be clamoring for everyone to stop going to work and have a 4000 page stimulus bill full of green new deal bullshit ready to vote for.
If government doesn't make you stay home, there is a tiny chance you will get the CHINA-19 flu bad enough that you have to stay home sick for a week or two. So government is protecting you from freedom.
The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself
Fauci BTFO!
Fauci is a nice guy but he got this wrong from day 1 and still has it wrong.
The CDC failed us, each governor failed us.
And we shut down our economy which failed us all.
Korea and Japan did not shut down their economies and have done fine.
The other day when they asked him "when can we return to normal" and he said when the curve goes flat or 0 cases, was the moment he lost the game. The country will never get to that point and there will always be cases popping up here and there. He should have said some like what Perino is suggesting. Convening a team of experts in all disciplines to devise an exit strategy that works for the entire nation that's not based on what's going on in NYC.
We won't get to zero cases, but the curve will go flat soon -- sooner in some places than others, of course. I'm in a county that still has zero cases, so we don't even have a curve :)
Im in Knox county, tn...I’m pretty sure we have a metro of 1,000,000+, there has been 90 total here with 45 recovered...that’s about as flat as it gets
FIREFAUCI
He is a doctor and he is from the government. He cannot be wrong about stuff. We can bet the livelihood of millions of Americans on it. /s
Ahh yes, more "experts", complete with their "expertly" worded "expert" opinions and biases. In the hot seat and under the hot lights for the MSM to grill and question (ie to craft a narrative).
This is EXACTLY what we need!
/s
How about this?
We let Trump do what he does best. Talk to people "behind the scenes" then make a decision.
Quit wasting our time and theirs with daily 60-120 minute "briefings", replace it with short and to the point updates as needed to reflect new information, with one 60 minute Q&A session per week.
We quickly move to end the forced shutdown of American enterprise and let people make their own health and safety decisions and we green-light the cocktail drug for immediate dispersal throughout the country (the equiv of getting a flu shot)
And all the PC-libtards who clutch tightly to their binders of legal "gotchya!" shams, wordgames, and peach mints can just suck it.
Because like they said, elections have consequences, right?
The experts have conferred and after a thorough review of the issue, they have determined that making it illegal for businesses to open is, in fact, bad for the economy. Furthermore, they more or less agree that not making it illegal for businesses to open would be good for the economy.
People will not stay inside forever.
Surprisingly people in Chicago haven't since Gov. Trust Fund Fat Ass issued his unconstitutional stay at home order nor when Mayor Bug Eyes closed the lakefront and surrounding parks. People are out and next week's warmer weather will be even more so.
He has to open it back up asap and get the governor's on board. Let everyone wear masks and gloves, but open this up
Exposing the lies little by little to as wide a public as possible will work faster, and with less confusion.
YES PLEASE** Open the country!!!!
And get those fucking tape lines off the floors of stores.
I run a tiny business. It has allowed me to live without being a burden on anyone. It is seasonal and if this shut down doesn’t end I will loose an entire years income. I would need a loan to pay my bills until I can get on my feet again. That loan could take me years to repay.
Those with protected salaries and positions are just so damn fine with this lockdown going on indefinitely. It is a luxury pandemic.
I hope this is over soon for you and the millions like you.
You get a task force, you get a task force, everyone gets a task force!
I hope Trump grabs the big banks by the ankles and shakes them over a window. The banks are f'ing up the SBA loans, and business owners are freaking out. The worse the economy gets, the more people will want complete socialism. Banks need to step up or they will be screwed too.
Agreed, the banks putting tons of stipulations on this does not elpp disperse the funds. I can't imagine what they willo on the 10th.
People who were slowly clawing themselves out of debt just got buried deeper with loan deferment and having no income for a month or two.
The banks get bailouts if they lose money, we just get extensions on our existing credit lines.
DO NOT EXTEND THE QUARANTINE MR. PRESIDENT.
All these liberal assholes want is for us to totally depend on the government. Need to get country back to work and open for business...life is about trade offs. Ppl are going to get sick but that is the trade off for ppl getting back to work and feeding their families and not letting this get so bad where the economy never comes back.
If only more CEOs were non-Globalists and actually cared about America... but then we wouldn't have these 3M issues, would we?
Mike Lindell on the taskforce, he and his company are nimble. Need more like him. would make a good voice for small business.
FUCK THE WUHAN FLU LET ME WORK
I assure you, he's already way ahead of them on this. They're cooking up another peach mint meanwhile he's planning on how to rocket us back to the top.
Excellent. From other sites that is what the majority of citizens want to do. Yeah, the Left would ramp up the facts and figures and pressure, & blame every death in the country on coronavirus (as I hear they were possibly told to do in some places regardless, IDK) but I doubt we would see millions die, or people die at a much higher rate than projected before this even began, i.e., that would have regardless. 100,000 die in this country, YEARLY, from flu and pneumonia every year regardless. 36 -50 million catch the flu yearly (not even counting pneumonia!!) and most do not end up in the hospital, obviously. Do some research.
My 401k likes this.
Deep State Dana advocating for more government involvement??
Imagine that.
America needed to isolate itself from other nations,specifically the leeches, but couldn't due to the reeeeeeeeeeeeeetards and media. Wuhan flu gave a perfect cover.(Fuck the media)
Geotus is a known germophobe, of course he is taking this virus and his advising professionals(doctors) advice seriously. Now most Americans are and will be germ aware in the future (less sickness spread = healthier workforce = more production and a stronger American workforce/population).
We needed to bring manufacturing back to our shores, China being a pain in the ass with life saving P.P.Es and medicines is the best example to get the public on board to bring jobs here(national security).
The economy may be down but it is not out. America will survive this and we will adapt and overcome. We will come out of this stronger and far more aware of our nations weak spots and we will reinforce those kinks in our countries armor. America is and always was a fighter, we personify that now more then ever with our fighter in chief at the helm.
As for the tweet, yes this 2nd task force is a necessity, President Trump needs as much top experts advice so that he can make educated decisions. He is the only person in our government that I trust.
We're not opening up until June aren't we?
I think after Fauci said we get back to normal when there's 0 cases was when Trump was done with him. He hasn't been at the briefings for a few days now. The media keeps asking about him. Trump knows we have to change direction quickly. Plus seeing what's going on in CA where there's only been 200+ deaths out of 40 million people is making everyone take another look at this.
There will never be zero. Fuck, thanks to the retard antivaxers we now have a resurgence in shit we eradicated decades ago.
My guess will be this month
The problem is that by "flattening the curve," we are -- ironically -- making the recovery even longer. It's unavoidable that everyone will get the virus eventually (barring a vaccine). If we flatten the curve, it just takes a longer time to happen.
We're smushing the curve into a nice wide hill.
Rip the bandaid.
I don't think we'll be open by June of next year, at the rate things are going. The medical experts who have been given the authoritative voice are saying shut it all down, and keep it shut down until it magically goes away. Unless something changes, or there's a new development, we're in this for the long haul.
You gotta keep in mind that medical experts are paid to be medical experts. Their main priority is to be cautious and save lives. You have to take their input and form a broader decision (based on their data) with regards to the economy and people as a whole. That being said, I'm not sure when it will be over either but I don't exactly trust the projections...
Actually, a task force would provide CYA cover for President Trump because NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS OR DOES, the Deep State/Democrats/CNNBC shall be howling PEACH MINTS! PEACH MINTS!
Full speed ahead Mr. President
EmptyHospitals is trending on Twitter for a reason. Take a look.
Best idea i've heard in 2 weeks.
When we get rolling again, Trump can key these companies up to help us succeed.
Opening up the economy is more important than finding a cure. Assign a task force now, I'd love to watch those press briefings.
Businesses all around me are going under. It's about effing time!
Brave and stunning!
Proving what a class act he is. Dana went berserk when he first announced, flipping out on Eric Bolling on The Five even though she had previously liked him, had asked for an endorsement of her book, and had actually had lunch with him.
Her loyalty to the Bushes infected her with level 1 TDS. PDJT actually called her out at a fundraiser during the campaign. After his election, she has been returning to normal and is now free of the TDS pathogen.
Agree, but should not be bipartisan. They openly rallied for the destruction of the economy via this virus.
I am lucky enough to still be working and overtime like always but this has me scared as shit. Oil and gas business going to the birds and if things dont change soon we will all be in trouble with bankruptcy and everything that goes with it.
From begging Dana Perino, no less!
YES!
WARP DRIVE, CAPPIN'!
My concern is that there are a lot of people that may be on a bipartisan task force that would want to reopen the economy by implementing a way to track everyone with everywhere they go and all kinds of other authoritarian crap. That is the wrong way to go about it and a lot of people would not go along with that.
I think the best thing to do is just reopen the economy and let people go about their daily lives, but make sure the medications for treating the virus are where they need to be and in plentiful supply and to actually prescribe it to people that are not hospitalized or just make it as easy to buy as Tylenol for people to take if they start getting symptoms.
Maybe give some advice about good nutrition, washing hands, starting home when sick etc. But just get the government out of people's way in general. Also get the FDA out of the way.
Fuck the experts anyway!! Put us back to work and keep the old and obese at home.
I like this idea. I hope they can put out enough economic doom models to cancel out Fauci's overcaution. Life is not free, priceless, or guaranteed. It would be nice, but its just not. I know a politician cant dare say 1 - 80% completed life = x jobs. But right now we are at a 1 : 1000 ratio. Im not running for office ever, so Im going to say thats too high.
This is a great idea, geotus for 2+ hours/day on most Americans screens.Yes.
Most transparent president EVER.
Back to Work!
My only concern is that the states will ignore Trump and his taskforce and keep everything locked down until the virus is 100% gone which isn't possible for at least another 1.5 years
Great idea. This is some bullshit. I didn't work this hard to lose everything.
We need to open back up. Allow healthy people to return, with masks for a couple of weeks if needed, and make elderly unhealthy people stay home. It's not that hard.
This is exactly what's needed.