Agree, but if that's the case they had nothing to lose by letting it out to the world, especially the U.S. We were (Trump) was laying the hammer down on them. Have had this argument with friends, some say I'm crazy some think its not.
I don't know if you're a praying person, but I am praying for you. Safe, strong delivery, wisdom, and a good little eater! Grace and compassion heading your way. You're going to be awesome at this, Dad!
At least y'all are respectable, some asshope went into the maternity ward knowing he had covid-19. Don't have the link anymore but I'm sure you can find it, it was a couple of days or so old.
Google who hitler killed first. He killed the disabled then the socialists then after he registered then stole the jews wealth and deported hundreds of thousands of them the jews
Its funny after the socialists got him power too that they were so worthless he whacked them before people he was racist against
Yeah, and it's not just the dirty commies in China, either. We've got dirty commies of our own who're much worse: ours are actually giddy at the prospect of killing our entire economy in the process of ridding our society of just ONE undesirable--Trump.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. I think it’s just a slightly worse than normal flu that spreads faster. China probably didn’t care too much because it’s not that serious when compared to the flu. It only looks bad if you didn’t realize the flu kills people every year in relatively small numbers that are seemingly large if you don’t know statistics. Now China’s quaking in their boots because the world media weaponized it for political purposes and China has to take the blame because Trump isn’t letting it falsely land on the US or him.
If China were to kill off their elderly, they’d just do it. Even with the HK protests, there are endless stories of protesters suddenly becoming ‘suicidal’ or going missing without rhyme or reason to it. And it was all over them trying to pass a law that’d let China jail anybody they felt like from HK.
The real danger is the healthcare system getting overloaded. I've looked at videos of hospitals in Spain. I'd never want to see my parents wait for someone to die so they can use the ICU bed, only to die alone themselves.
I’m fine with not overloading the healthcare system, but I’m not sure how much of this is really helping with that. In my area the system’s always overloaded anyway. I personally think that encouraging people to be able to work from home when they can, social distance, wash their hands, wear masks, and all of that’s more than fine. If you have symptoms, stay home. And if you’re at risk, maybe even encourage you to quarantine yourself. Encourage. Not mandate. I’m okay with shutting down international flights, or in some way limiting them.
Mandating people can’t work to pay their mortgage or rent, and limiting them all to go to sold our grocery stores surrounding by people that are just as likely to give them covid as anyone else, likely isn’t helping anything. In my area, lines are around the block to get in anywhere. People aren’t eating out or at work so it’s all funneled there. They’re basically forcing everyone to potentially spread Kung Flu in one location as opposed to many, which actually makes it potentially worse because if one person had it there, they can potentially give it to everyone that frequented that now artificially high traffic space.
Yeah, I'd agree. I watched a pretty good video from 3blue1brown, a math guy who went over this issue, give it a watch and tell me what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs
I work with people that visualize complex data like that, and I have to say, that’s a really well done video. It’s probably better than 90% of data visualizations I’ve seen that deal with something of any relevant complexity. I’m in the same area that guy’s in too, which is probably why he’s pissed off about this like I am because it’s not being handled in a way that makes much sense to anybody that can math.
Goes back to supporting common sense too. It’s more effective to isolate people that have it than to shut everything down, especially if shutting it all down funnels people into central hubs. He didn’t touch on it in a video, but if you’re going to consider mortality rates, it would also go down exponentially (despite the already small numbers) if you also isolated people that are most at risk. Quarantine older people and those with preexisting conditions. Quarantine with people that verifiably have it, or at least show symptoms that could suggest they have it. Bar international travel and discourage traveling between states and things like that. As imperfect as that is, it still has the lion’s share of impact on this.
As someone else said, at most, the lockdown seems more about arbitrary ‘fairness’ than actually curbing the spread or helping people. “If 2% of people can’t go out, nobody can go out!” That’d be fine if we all didn’t have to pay rent and mortgages and bills. Locking everything down probably only contains the virus 2% better given how it’s being down. He also didn’t much address the medical community dealing with it basically having a 100% chance of getting it, and they have friends and family that can get it too. That goes beyond the central hub. That’s people actively seeking it out, so to speak. They also have to go to the grocer as a central hub after that. It’s even worse given the lockdown.
Hmm interesting points, I'm actually a Computer Science major who is graduating this term. I've been watching the situation quite closely for the past 2 months, and it looks to me that government responses have been very, very poor.
I'm not sure what the answer is myself, however what I see makes me feel rather dismayed about the entire situation. It is honestly destroying my small but present faith that the people in charge at least have advisors that know what they're doing. Again I'm not sure what the best option is, I'm currently laying low at home, doing online classes, and hoping my job won't lay me off (Dev supposed to start in May).
It’s definitely easier to criticize something than it is to do something. The current holes in the present policies do lead me to believe that preventing the spread of the virus isn’t the overriding priority of the quarantines though. It’s all political theater, as grim as that sounds. Trump’s doing what he can, but it’s out of his hands if states lose their shit, and he’d just look uncaring if he tried rationally explaining things to people or having experts do it.
The left and media certainly didn’t create or cause the Chinese virus, but they sure as hell caused the panic and the quarantines and the loss of jobs and general insanity. During the impeachment, relative silence, making fun of it and brushing it under the table. Once that passed and didn’t go their way, we get this. They even called it the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus first, and all variations they later called ‘cruel’. It’s all been a series of calculated political decisions. They even tried using it to leverage funding for all kinds of stupid shit in the stimulus bill that even democrats were laughing about. You can tell they’re really trying to sell it when they say things like ‘5-10 times the mortality rate of the flu’ maybe instead of real numbers because then they’d have to compare apples to apples and this would look like nothing. They even compared estimates to confirmed causes here, which aren’t comparable. The grim predictions are literally made up, which all real world data of course supports and will continue to. That’s impressive considering they’re also likely to attribute any and all deaths they can to corona in the current climate, which means we’re already looking at skewed numbers. Even with all that lying and sleight of hand, this still appears to not at all be a big deal. Even with infinite magnifying glasses on this blowing it out of proportion, it’s still a blip.
I definitely think the ‘cure’ / measures taken to combat the virus are far worse than the virus itself. That’s probably why none of them were used during SARS, H1N1, or the Swine Flu. Because they don’t work, outside of political theatering. Crash the economy, try to say Trump handled it poorly because handling a crisis is a series of picking the least of many bad options, throw wrenches into the works to give him fires to put out on top of that, and they’re already talking peachmints again.
They’re trying to give the appearance of the world burning down so they can blame it on Trump, in a nutshell.
All of the grimmest projections are all based on nobody doing anything, which wouldn’t happen in real life, either. At a minimum, vulnerable people are going to isolate themselves, and seemingly sick or infected people are going to isolate themselves. That right there hits both ends of this better than anything anyone’s done, and there is not a single equation that would suggest otherwise.
Good video. Really explains what authorities are attempting to do. Sadly, i think the majority of people making decisions didnt get the memo until probably a two weeks ago.
The other takeaway for me is the amount of cheaters out there. Only a very small percentage of the population does well in social isolation. Young people for example do not do well at all. Seems counterintuitive, but the senior crowd dont appear to do well either, at least from what ive seen. Pretty much the simplest way to put it is to come into contact with as few people as possible, limit trips to markets/stores, and practice impeccable hygiene.
It seems like people think if they are not touching each other, they are doing their part. Which is why you have to shut everything down. If everything was still open, 50% of the people would still be going about their business like nothing was happening, and it would have the same effect as doing nothing. Im not convinced any of the measures taken are worth it. The big thing that didnt happen is quarantining major cities.
They had no problem rounding up muslims or christians, it's not beyond them to start gathering up the dissidents in Hong Kong or old people if they wanted and just shooting them. Doesn't take a virus to do that. Commies don't need to invent some new way of disguising what they do.
I don't think they meant for this shit to happen: It negatively affected them financially in a significant way, as well and hit some of their allies badly (i.e. Iran's rulers/government).
On the same note, they definitely did their best to take full advantage of the situation, as far as they can.
Do Any of you Pedes remember that 'nurse' guy that said he was going to Kill elderly Trump Supporters? What hospital did he work at again? He seemed so sure he would get away with it- did he know about this?
Lol they don't need to operate under the cloak of a virus to kill their undesirables. A bullet to the back of the head is a hell of a lot cheaper than releasing a virus on your population. Make no mistake, they have no compunction about abducting as many people as they want in public view for them never to be seen again.
China either needs to get on the team with the rest of the world and stop this coverup bullshit, or President Trump needs to lead the world in alienating them.
I don't know what it is. I don't believe the MSM on anything else, why should I believe the Wu Flu scare stories? Answer: I don't.
My guess is it's a severe flu, and yes it has caused deaths. And not all of the deaths are boomers. But it's not the Spanish Flu, or The Great Plague. If Hillary had won, we wouldn't be under lockdown at all, unless it suited her in taking out her enemies.
Pause for thought. Under Hillary, POTUS would mysteriously die of the Wu Flu. Much sadness from Hillary. He made a great contribution, etc. In private: he came he saw he died [evil cackle].
I'll change your mind: China is a fucking disgusting, filthy, dangerous shithole. The old people have no trouble dying just by breathing the fucking air on their own.
Designed by them: yes. Let loose accidentaly, however. If this were their plan it would have been brought to another country and let loose there -- it would still have decimated their elderly population, but they wouldn't have to deal with all this political backlash.
The virus is a win-win-win for China. Win in that they get rid of some of their elderly that they’d otherwise have to take care of.
Win because the Hong Kong narrative is forgotten and people gladly submit to the government again
And a win because the global economy falters and they buy up companies for pennies on the dollar to spread their global influence.
Russia is in on it with the 1-2 Corona/Oil Price war punch to the US economy. Russia’s 4K cases are quite low and they probably received honest info from Chi
He's actually not wrong, the evidence points to an accidental release from a lab, not some sinister plot to get rid of their aging population, though a side benefit for China.
I always thought it was interesting that the HK protests were the talk of the world then bam covid
Came here to say this, taking into consideration the OP point as well, China had nothing to lose by letting it rip through their Country.
I wonder how much the Democrats had to pay China to borrow it...
Agree, but if that's the case they had nothing to lose by letting it out to the world, especially the U.S. We were (Trump) was laying the hammer down on them. Have had this argument with friends, some say I'm crazy some think its not.
China's aging population is a HUGE problem for them.
The virus clears out their elderly population and fixes the problem.
Thats like 600 million old people. The 1 child policy will finally kick in and have a massive population drop. We'll see how that works out for them.
I figured it was about HK all the time, not about sick and elderly.
Yep. Exactly what I came here to say. China thought they could shut down the protests and put the genie back in the bottle. Ooops.
I Always think about the people having a baby right now, has to be scary.
I don't know if you're a praying person, but I am praying for you. Safe, strong delivery, wisdom, and a good little eater! Grace and compassion heading your way. You're going to be awesome at this, Dad!
At least y'all are respectable, some asshope went into the maternity ward knowing he had covid-19. Don't have the link anymore but I'm sure you can find it, it was a couple of days or so old.
Google who hitler killed first. He killed the disabled then the socialists then after he registered then stole the jews wealth and deported hundreds of thousands of them the jews
Its funny after the socialists got him power too that they were so worthless he whacked them before people he was racist against
A tyrant never forgets that those who put him in power, are also the most significant threat to his retaining, exercising, and expanding that power.
Hitler just learned from Maximillian Robespierre. Didn't want to end up on the chopping block.
Yeah, and it's not just the dirty commies in China, either. We've got dirty commies of our own who're much worse: ours are actually giddy at the prospect of killing our entire economy in the process of ridding our society of just ONE undesirable--Trump.
Most of the plagues throughout history started in China. We need to bring manufacturing back to America.
We really do. It would create jobs. Unfortunately corporations have no loyalty to their country anymore.
It is true that once you get rid of the elderly and sick, socialized medicine becomes just a tiny bit less unaffordable
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. I think it’s just a slightly worse than normal flu that spreads faster. China probably didn’t care too much because it’s not that serious when compared to the flu. It only looks bad if you didn’t realize the flu kills people every year in relatively small numbers that are seemingly large if you don’t know statistics. Now China’s quaking in their boots because the world media weaponized it for political purposes and China has to take the blame because Trump isn’t letting it falsely land on the US or him.
If China were to kill off their elderly, they’d just do it. Even with the HK protests, there are endless stories of protesters suddenly becoming ‘suicidal’ or going missing without rhyme or reason to it. And it was all over them trying to pass a law that’d let China jail anybody they felt like from HK.
China’s not exactly slick or covert.
The real danger is the healthcare system getting overloaded. I've looked at videos of hospitals in Spain. I'd never want to see my parents wait for someone to die so they can use the ICU bed, only to die alone themselves.
I’m fine with not overloading the healthcare system, but I’m not sure how much of this is really helping with that. In my area the system’s always overloaded anyway. I personally think that encouraging people to be able to work from home when they can, social distance, wash their hands, wear masks, and all of that’s more than fine. If you have symptoms, stay home. And if you’re at risk, maybe even encourage you to quarantine yourself. Encourage. Not mandate. I’m okay with shutting down international flights, or in some way limiting them.
Mandating people can’t work to pay their mortgage or rent, and limiting them all to go to sold our grocery stores surrounding by people that are just as likely to give them covid as anyone else, likely isn’t helping anything. In my area, lines are around the block to get in anywhere. People aren’t eating out or at work so it’s all funneled there. They’re basically forcing everyone to potentially spread Kung Flu in one location as opposed to many, which actually makes it potentially worse because if one person had it there, they can potentially give it to everyone that frequented that now artificially high traffic space.
Yeah, I'd agree. I watched a pretty good video from 3blue1brown, a math guy who went over this issue, give it a watch and tell me what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs
I work with people that visualize complex data like that, and I have to say, that’s a really well done video. It’s probably better than 90% of data visualizations I’ve seen that deal with something of any relevant complexity. I’m in the same area that guy’s in too, which is probably why he’s pissed off about this like I am because it’s not being handled in a way that makes much sense to anybody that can math.
Goes back to supporting common sense too. It’s more effective to isolate people that have it than to shut everything down, especially if shutting it all down funnels people into central hubs. He didn’t touch on it in a video, but if you’re going to consider mortality rates, it would also go down exponentially (despite the already small numbers) if you also isolated people that are most at risk. Quarantine older people and those with preexisting conditions. Quarantine with people that verifiably have it, or at least show symptoms that could suggest they have it. Bar international travel and discourage traveling between states and things like that. As imperfect as that is, it still has the lion’s share of impact on this.
As someone else said, at most, the lockdown seems more about arbitrary ‘fairness’ than actually curbing the spread or helping people. “If 2% of people can’t go out, nobody can go out!” That’d be fine if we all didn’t have to pay rent and mortgages and bills. Locking everything down probably only contains the virus 2% better given how it’s being down. He also didn’t much address the medical community dealing with it basically having a 100% chance of getting it, and they have friends and family that can get it too. That goes beyond the central hub. That’s people actively seeking it out, so to speak. They also have to go to the grocer as a central hub after that. It’s even worse given the lockdown.
Hmm interesting points, I'm actually a Computer Science major who is graduating this term. I've been watching the situation quite closely for the past 2 months, and it looks to me that government responses have been very, very poor.
I'm not sure what the answer is myself, however what I see makes me feel rather dismayed about the entire situation. It is honestly destroying my small but present faith that the people in charge at least have advisors that know what they're doing. Again I'm not sure what the best option is, I'm currently laying low at home, doing online classes, and hoping my job won't lay me off (Dev supposed to start in May).
It’s definitely easier to criticize something than it is to do something. The current holes in the present policies do lead me to believe that preventing the spread of the virus isn’t the overriding priority of the quarantines though. It’s all political theater, as grim as that sounds. Trump’s doing what he can, but it’s out of his hands if states lose their shit, and he’d just look uncaring if he tried rationally explaining things to people or having experts do it.
The left and media certainly didn’t create or cause the Chinese virus, but they sure as hell caused the panic and the quarantines and the loss of jobs and general insanity. During the impeachment, relative silence, making fun of it and brushing it under the table. Once that passed and didn’t go their way, we get this. They even called it the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus first, and all variations they later called ‘cruel’. It’s all been a series of calculated political decisions. They even tried using it to leverage funding for all kinds of stupid shit in the stimulus bill that even democrats were laughing about. You can tell they’re really trying to sell it when they say things like ‘5-10 times the mortality rate of the flu’ maybe instead of real numbers because then they’d have to compare apples to apples and this would look like nothing. They even compared estimates to confirmed causes here, which aren’t comparable. The grim predictions are literally made up, which all real world data of course supports and will continue to. That’s impressive considering they’re also likely to attribute any and all deaths they can to corona in the current climate, which means we’re already looking at skewed numbers. Even with all that lying and sleight of hand, this still appears to not at all be a big deal. Even with infinite magnifying glasses on this blowing it out of proportion, it’s still a blip.
I definitely think the ‘cure’ / measures taken to combat the virus are far worse than the virus itself. That’s probably why none of them were used during SARS, H1N1, or the Swine Flu. Because they don’t work, outside of political theatering. Crash the economy, try to say Trump handled it poorly because handling a crisis is a series of picking the least of many bad options, throw wrenches into the works to give him fires to put out on top of that, and they’re already talking peachmints again.
They’re trying to give the appearance of the world burning down so they can blame it on Trump, in a nutshell.
All of the grimmest projections are all based on nobody doing anything, which wouldn’t happen in real life, either. At a minimum, vulnerable people are going to isolate themselves, and seemingly sick or infected people are going to isolate themselves. That right there hits both ends of this better than anything anyone’s done, and there is not a single equation that would suggest otherwise.
Good video. Really explains what authorities are attempting to do. Sadly, i think the majority of people making decisions didnt get the memo until probably a two weeks ago.
The other takeaway for me is the amount of cheaters out there. Only a very small percentage of the population does well in social isolation. Young people for example do not do well at all. Seems counterintuitive, but the senior crowd dont appear to do well either, at least from what ive seen. Pretty much the simplest way to put it is to come into contact with as few people as possible, limit trips to markets/stores, and practice impeccable hygiene.
It seems like people think if they are not touching each other, they are doing their part. Which is why you have to shut everything down. If everything was still open, 50% of the people would still be going about their business like nothing was happening, and it would have the same effect as doing nothing. Im not convinced any of the measures taken are worth it. The big thing that didnt happen is quarantining major cities.
They had no problem rounding up muslims or christians, it's not beyond them to start gathering up the dissidents in Hong Kong or old people if they wanted and just shooting them. Doesn't take a virus to do that. Commies don't need to invent some new way of disguising what they do.
I don't think they meant for this shit to happen: It negatively affected them financially in a significant way, as well and hit some of their allies badly (i.e. Iran's rulers/government). On the same note, they definitely did their best to take full advantage of the situation, as far as they can.
Do Any of you Pedes remember that 'nurse' guy that said he was going to Kill elderly Trump Supporters? What hospital did he work at again? He seemed so sure he would get away with it- did he know about this?
Then it was a bio weapon
IIRC he was fired from his job, but I don't have a link handy. Also it was way before all this I think.
Lol they don't need to operate under the cloak of a virus to kill their undesirables. A bullet to the back of the head is a hell of a lot cheaper than releasing a virus on your population. Make no mistake, they have no compunction about abducting as many people as they want in public view for them never to be seen again.
I thought they just sent the undesirables off to a labor camp at the edge of the world, never to be heard from again.
China either needs to get on the team with the rest of the world and stop this coverup bullshit, or President Trump needs to lead the world in alienating them.
When you stop caring for the sick, elderly, young, and innocently helpless, you loss your nation's soul.
I don't know what it is. I don't believe the MSM on anything else, why should I believe the Wu Flu scare stories? Answer: I don't.
My guess is it's a severe flu, and yes it has caused deaths. And not all of the deaths are boomers. But it's not the Spanish Flu, or The Great Plague. If Hillary had won, we wouldn't be under lockdown at all, unless it suited her in taking out her enemies.
Pause for thought. Under Hillary, POTUS would mysteriously die of the Wu Flu. Much sadness from Hillary. He made a great contribution, etc. In private: he came he saw he died [evil cackle].
Funny but a conspiracy theory. China can just round up undesirables, they don't need to "create a virus"
No lol, no need to convince what isn't true
And now we have the internet.
FERS- Far East Respiratory Syndrome
I'll change your mind: China is a fucking disgusting, filthy, dangerous shithole. The old people have no trouble dying just by breathing the fucking air on their own.
Or to crash our economy, buy up our assets at a dirt cheap price so they can own us more than they already do.
I think the CCP is involved in some sick sadistic evil things
So true.
Ive been saying lately, the way communists stimulate the economy isnt by sending $1200 checks, its by democide.
China's aging population is a HUGE problem for them.
The virus clears out their elderly population and fixes the problem.
That's a lot of trouble to go to when they could just shoot them.
Yep!!!!!!
They didn't know how to stop the Hong Kong protests. I guess that's not a problem for them anymore.
Also because of Hong Kong and to collapse the global economy.
I mean they seem to be pretty ok with bullets too
Designed by them: yes. Let loose accidentaly, however. If this were their plan it would have been brought to another country and let loose there -- it would still have decimated their elderly population, but they wouldn't have to deal with all this political backlash.
China will pay for this.
The virus is a win-win-win for China. Win in that they get rid of some of their elderly that they’d otherwise have to take care of.
Win because the Hong Kong narrative is forgotten and people gladly submit to the government again
And a win because the global economy falters and they buy up companies for pennies on the dollar to spread their global influence.
Russia is in on it with the 1-2 Corona/Oil Price war punch to the US economy. Russia’s 4K cases are quite low and they probably received honest info from Chi
There are probably many reasons why they did it. That said, I don't believe China created it so much as stole it.
i dont think thats the case but i literally have no evidence to the contrary and nothing china has done makes me think you are wrong.
That includes the USA.
Why is this sticked? This isn’t even that good of a post, it’s just crappy speculation.
He's actually not wrong, the evidence points to an accidental release from a lab, not some sinister plot to get rid of their aging population, though a side benefit for China.
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What's your point exactly? Sticky bad content until I or someone else creates better content?
I'm allowed to give feedback, not emptily nodding with everything done here or stifling opinions like you're doing.