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Thenew23rd 10 points ago +10 / -0

Everything has been politicized. By sheer coincidence, it's all politicized against President Trump.

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DJT_MFer 9 points ago +9 / -0

Yeah, this is total horse shit.

80 yr old falls and breaks a hip and dies while having Covid.

Chalk up another one to Covid.

Horse shit, I tell you

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Marksmenright [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

They don't even need to have a positive test, just if the diagnosis would fit well enough.

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2016TrumpMAGA 3 points ago +3 / -0

They don't even need to have a positive test, just if the diagnosis would fit well enough.

This is what bothers me. How many flu deaths are being incorrectly reported as the China Flu?

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hotdogsforsale 3 points ago +3 / -0

Stinky horseshit too - are these all the same Chinese manufactured tests that Italy sent back because they were either already tainted or reported false positives?

How do these moron MSM journalists live with themselves being so bad at their jobs and not looking in to this stuff.

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fthecoup 5 points ago +6 / -1

Massive blunt force trauma from a head-on with a loaded dump truck + had some flu symptoms prior to wreck =

Chi-com death!!!! TA-DAH!!!!

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namaste_trump 5 points ago +5 / -0

So if including the presumptive cases (not tested), they're falling significantly short of their projections in most places, isn't it time to get back to.......

dang,.... so happy I stopped myself before saying that thing which is racist and sexist. the media keeps telling me that. AOC wants reparations.

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thehutman 5 points ago +5 / -0

Total cases and total deaths are one statistic (even if some are presumed) but suck at telling us what is really going on.

I want to know:

  • How many have it RIGHT NOW. Not since time began.
  • How many are hospitalized (TOTAL and RIGHT NOW) and in what condition.
  • Break these down by age groups and previous conditions.

I hear all kinds of squealing about muh ventilators, but seriously, nobody ever gives a count of what's being used. How can we, as a public, make informed decisions when they make it near impossible to know what's really going on?

Also, let's compare this with other diseases, such as normal flu, pneumonia (which this year has a cliff-drop around January compared to historical norms), and the like.

This whole thing reeks of bias just to freak everyone the hell out and grab more control. And the fact that our medical system sucks at tracking the basic things even a simple manufacturer would be doing. There are probably more stats on a ventilator being produced than a real human being with this disease.

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mamakin 4 points ago +4 / -0

As Clinton Grasping for Straws,said, “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”

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BobsNoCommie 4 points ago +4 / -0

Looking forward to real numbers once this is all over.

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Marksmenright [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

You know we'll never see them.

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RunningBuffalo 6 points ago +6 / -0

Nobody is ever going to see real numbers.

Data is only as good as its source. If you want perfectly accurate numbers, you need hospitals to report perfectly accurate data, and that's not happening.

It's not some grand conspiracy, though. There's no secret cabal of Rothschilds, Chinese communists, and Hollywood pedophiles who know exactly what's happening. It's just that human nature is what it is, and data collection for complex subjects is difficult and highly subjective.

If a 65-year-old has all the symptoms of Coronavirus and dies from acute respiratory failure, you can make a reasonably good guess they had COVID-19, so the doctor is likely to put that down and move on. They have other patients to treat; why spend more time on someone who's already dead where you're 80% sure you know the answer already?

Or imagine you're a nurse treating a 92-year-old with lots of underlying conditions. But you're freaked out about this COVID stuff because you watch the news every day. So when your patient dies, even though there are five different things that contributed, guess which one you're going to attribute it to—that's right, the one that was top-of-mind at the time.

States have different reporting requirements. Hospitals have different forms. Different physicians have different note-taking styles. If you have massive amounts of data, you can attempt to quantify and control for all of those things, and it's possible some academic 15 years from now will pore through archived databases and build a model taking all that into account, but that will just be their best guess; other researchers will come up with different guesses; sometimes they will build a model that they know will come up with a different result from the first researcher because that's the only way their paper will get attention.

There's human error and bias at every step of the process. No one will ever know the whole story.

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BobsNoCommie 0 points ago +2 / -2

You may be right. But once the information is out of the hands of the WHO there might be enough to put a fairly accurate picture from those other sources. Hopefully. Maybe.

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Freedombunker 3 points ago +3 / -0

Numbers are reported out of context on purpose to stoke fear:

CA Population 40,000,000 Deaths 275 Chance of dying from Wuflu? 0.0006875%

NY Population 20,000,000 Deaths 3575 Chance of dying from Wuflu? 0.017875%

People need to get a grip. This is way, way, overblown! We are so concerned with safety we make the cure worse than the disease. WA and CA show no spiking so they disappear from the news, yet we are still in lockdown.

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JohnBarron 3 points ago +3 / -0

Presumptive positive cases??? Wut the fuck.

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kag-2020- 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Anatomy of a Hoax

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khrysiis 2 points ago +2 / -0

what is the source for this?

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Marksmenright [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

From the CDC's own website.

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khrysiis 2 points ago +2 / -0

thank you

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